Troll Magnet? [Archive] - FreeConservatives

BeerRun

08-27-2005, 02:10 PM

First off, I'd like to apologize for the inflammatory things I've posted during my short time here. That's also the reason for this thread.

I found out about this board through Fundies Say The Darndest Things.com. I'll admit that seeing the unforgiving ideologies displayed compelled me initially to come here and "unmask the intolerance" so-to-speak. I realize that in doing so, I was attempting to deprive you folks of the freedom you have to post what you want among those who share your views. While it may have been within my freedom to do so, that does not make it right.

There seems to be a disproportionate number of trolls here than on other boards. I'd like members to leave their thoughts as to why they think that is. And don't be shy (from my short experience here, I don't think that'll be a problem).

Thanks for your time!

Pendragon_6

08-27-2005, 02:18 PM

FC let's them have enough rope to hang themselves. It usually doesn't take very long.

Charity

08-27-2005, 02:19 PM

Beerrun
I saw that site a long time ago. I thought it was so sad that people would actually spend precious time mocking things Christians say just to get their kicks. There are so many important things happening in our world right now and I just thought that the people that made that site were just sad. Not to mention how they take everything out of context. Those same people who mock Christians and make the claim that they are so "tolerant" by showing Christian "intolerance", show what hypocrites they are by doing just what they are doing. I am glad you are starting to realize this. :-)

dajoga

08-27-2005, 04:29 PM

There seems to be a disproportionate number of trolls here than on other boards. I'd like members to leave their thoughts as to why they think that is. And don't be shy (from my short experience here, I don't think that'll be a problem).

Well, Jesus contradicted the "good people go to heaven" theology of His day and they crucified Him for it, so it's only natural they come after His followers of which there are many on this board. 2 Tim 3:12, "Indeed, all who desire to live godly in Christ Jesus will be persecuted." The sad this is that the more they come after us the more they hear the gospel which will bring greater punishment in eternity if they refuse to repent. My $.02 worth--

tacitus

08-27-2005, 04:36 PM

HomeschoolrsRUs

08-27-2005, 04:53 PM

First off, I'd like to apologize for the inflammatory things I've posted during my short time here. That's also the reason for this thread.

As for me, apology accepted.

I found out about this board through Fundies Say The Darndest Things.com.

I'm familiar with it . . . I actually made the list once or twice. I found THAT place through some trolls that came her and dumped their trash. I was absolutely SHOCKED that anyone would waste their time documenting comments, most specifically ones taken completely out of context.

I'll admit that seeing the unforgiving ideologies displayed compelled me initially to come here and "unmask the intolerance" so-to-speak. I realize that in doing so, I was attempting to deprive you folks of the freedom you have to post what you want among those who share your views. While it may have been within my freedom to do so, that does not make it right.

Doing the right thing sometimes consists of NOT doing something which would be the wrong thing. I'm glad you came to a place of understanding.

There seems to be a disproportionate number of trolls here than on other boards. I'd like members to leave their thoughts as to why they think that is. And don't be shy (from my short experience here, I don't think that'll be a problem).

Thanks for your time!

I'd be curious as to the answer to that question myself.

This is the very first forum I have ever in my life participated in. Not one time in the entire time I have been here have I ever witnessed where FC members were encouraged to "troll" or "visit" other opposition forums (until the past few weeks, AFTER the major infestation we have incurred). When trolls began coming here from IIDB, someone found THEIR link at THEIR site encouraging THEIR members to come here and disrupt FC, I was absolutely blown away. I was so upset by this I posted my OWN response -- some of their members had stated that if they ever met me in person they would beat me up! I was COMPLETELY shocked.

How are WE a threat to ANYONE merely participating in a forum where we discuss issues from a conservative point of view?

In any case, I do appreciate your honesty, and thank you for the apology.

Melz

08-27-2005, 10:44 PM

The difference in this place and the other place I used to post is that this place HAS a purpose and definition. A lot of other places do not. It is sort of a free-for-all. So there are not "trolls" because everyone there pisses everyone else off. They don't get banned because of lack of moderating or they get banned right away because of over moderating. I guess on here, there is free discussion allowed and folks actually find this place because of the inherent (I always spell that wrong) definition stated on the home page.

Trolls are everywhere, they are more easily recognized here and more attracted to here because this place is filled with a buncha people with a clearer definition politically and religiously than most boards present themselves.

Maybe? Well..I really have no idea. This is the most goal oriented, spot on, driven group of individuals I have ever e-conversed with though !

Aric2000

08-27-2005, 10:48 PM

I was so upset by this I posted my OWN response -- some of their members had stated that if they ever met me in person they would beat me up! I was COMPLETELY shocked.

How are WE a threat to ANYONE merely participating in a forum where we discuss issues from a conservative point of view?

In any case, I do appreciate your honesty, and thank you for the apology.

Well, if that ever happens, just call, you're GOOD people, and I will defend you in any way shape or form needed.

BeerRun

08-28-2005, 08:42 AM

I think it comes down to defending what one believes in. Anyone who sees a contrasting ideology held with great conviction may feel threatened about the truth (or possible/perceived lack thereof) of their own opposing beliefs. Some are not capable of “agreeing to disagree.” They come here, or go to another board where they can fling their ideology at someone to see if it’ll stick.

The problem is, most people don’t realize that the folks they flame against have the same level of resolve. You can’t really get anywhere productive after that point. The whole exchange becomes nothing more than a verbal fist-fight.

It’s possible too that some people just love a good roast. They spend their ample free time looking for targets. A strong resolve and healthy conviction makes a good target. Still, there’s little to gain, unless, of course, one prefers to leave anger and hard feelings in their wake. That’s not productive either.

HomeschoolrsRUs

08-28-2005, 08:51 AM

BR,

:claps: Absolutely!

Tumblehome

08-29-2005, 10:13 AM

It is all about entertainment. Personally, I first came to this board because of quotes I had seen cited of Dr.Doom. It is just funny.

Another reason I came here is that I read on another board that people here were utterly insane. I came here to see if that was true. It isn't. People here have a mindset and ideology pretty close to the polar opposite of my own, but they are actually quite sensible and for the most part polite as well.

I agree that the fact that this place has a clearly stated "house view" is what attracts trolls. It also attracts folks like myself who like to view and consult with the other side. Coming here for me is like visiting a foreign culture (well I guess it literally is a foreign culture, me being from Canada and all, but thats not what i mean :) )

DoctorDoom

08-29-2005, 10:33 AM

Personally, I first came to this board because of quotes I had seen cited of Dr.Doom. It is just funny.I'm flattered that brain-damaged lefties see fit to cite my deathless prose. OTOH, were we to do a similar project for the mindless, asinine statements of libs and leftists, the bandwidth drain on the Net would be devastating.

Mirrors of IIDB and DUh would be a good start.

Teenager

08-29-2005, 02:32 PM

BR, I'm impressed that a liberal actually had the intelligence enough to find out the truth. See, there IS hope for the Liberal disease, after all :thumb:.
I'm just kidding, buddy.
Anyways, I hope you enjoy this place, and maybe tell the folks back at the other place that we aren't all that bad.

Just remember this, the democrat party is the party of no ideas, and the republican party is the party of dumm ideas. Well, lemme just say, at LEAST we can think! :D

JNSmith

08-29-2005, 02:52 PM

the republican party is the party of dumm ideas. Well, lemme just say, at LEAST we can think! :D

LOL!!

Trevelyan

08-29-2005, 04:08 PM

I come here because I just enjoy a civil argument. One of my good friends just went to another college, so I won't have the opportunity to converse with him nearly as much, so I guess this will have to do. :grin:

However, there is a certain level of animosity some people here have towards "the enemy" that I was not accustomed to.

JNSmith

08-29-2005, 04:27 PM

However, there is a certain level of animosity some people here have towards "the enemy" that I was not accustomed to.

If "the enemy" didn't come here AS the enemy, maybe there'd be less animosity towards them.

PatrioticAmerican

08-29-2005, 04:46 PM

Exactly, JN.

I come here to express myslf freely, not to lecture others and try to convert them. Trolls are not interested in discussion, only contrarian debate. As that is not a dialectical approach to ascertaining the "truth," I find such debates a waste of time.

The truth is, the majority of folks who think they have "progressive" views are in fact the ones with the most regressive and repressive views of all.

Trevelyan

08-29-2005, 04:46 PM

If "the enemy" didn't come here AS the enemy, maybe there'd be less animosity towards them.

I'm not really talking about those people. I am referring to some here who refuse to speak with relatives because they are liberal, or use terms such as "the enemy" to describe anyone who is not a political conservative of their ilk.

I'm just not used to being around some people who allow politics to affect their lives to such a degree.

PatrioticAmerican

08-29-2005, 04:50 PM

Trev, you're in your early twenties. There's A LOT you don't understand. But, you will. You're smart (I can tell from your use of grammar and your vocabulary).

So, in time, you will see why it is important and necessary to define your views. In doing so, you will define your politics, which thus, will define who you think you are.

Pendragon_6

08-29-2005, 04:53 PM

Doc:

Your caustic humor never ceases to crack me up!__;-)

JNSmith

08-29-2005, 05:31 PM

I'm not really talking about those people. I am referring to some here who refuse to speak with relatives because they are liberal, or use terms such as "the enemy" to describe anyone who is not a political conservative of their ilk.

When someone visits a bulletin board that has a particular leaning, (knowing that it leans that way and even ADVERTISES itself that way), and attempts to share their unpopular opinion, what would you have them viewed as? Compatriots? Buddies? Friends? Chum? Well, maybe chum in a different context.

Why do you care how a person relates with their family? Have you ever wondered why someone wouldn't want to be around others that don't share their opinions?

I'm just not used to being around some people who allow politics to affect their lives to such a degree.

And that's the whole problem, isn't it? Too many Americans have spent too little time paying enough attention to politics. That's why D.C. is such a cesspool and has been for years.

Riverboat

08-29-2005, 05:34 PM

I am referring to some here who refuse to speak with relatives because they are liberal,.. .I don't anyone like that here. Anyone else?

Trevelyan

08-29-2005, 05:36 PM

When someone visits a bulletin board that has a particular leaning, (knowing that it leans that way and even ADVERTISES itself that way), and attempts to share their unpopular opinion, what would you have them viewed as? Compatriots? Buddies? Friends? Chum? Well, maybe chum in a different context.

Why do you care how a person relates with their family? Have you ever wondered why someone wouldn't want to be around others that don't share their opinions?

I knew someone was going to bring something up about what this forum is. Yeah, I am aware this is a conservative forum, a political forum. All I am saying is that I am not used to it. I am not saying I expect something different from this place.

And that's the whole problem, isn't it? Too many Americans have spent too little time paying enough attention to politics. That's why D.C. is such a cesspool and has been for years.

There is a difference between political apathy and what I was referring to.

Trevelyan

08-29-2005, 05:38 PM

I don't anyone like that here. Anyone else?

I actually have to go now, but I do recall reading someone saying something about not speaking with a family member. I'll try to find it if you want me to.

Melz

08-29-2005, 10:16 PM

I don't think Trev is so bad as far as that whole liberal thing he has goes. He has managed to stick around this long. I can think of worse, but they have been banned so what point would I be making.

JNSmith

08-30-2005, 05:23 AM

I knew someone was going to bring something up about what this forum is. Yeah, I am aware this is a conservative forum, a political forum. All I am saying is that I am not used to it. I am not saying I expect something different from this place.

Let's just make it plainer then.

If you went to an anti-gun bulletin board, and starting praising the virtues of the 2nd Amendment, how would you be treated? If you went to an anti-Bush bulleting board and told everyone how great he is, how would you be treated?

Please, share with everyone, exactly what it is you are "used to".

There is a difference between political apathy and what I was referring to.

Really? Maybe you just spend too much time around uninformed apolitical people with no desire to make the changes needed to fix the problems.

DoctorDoom

08-30-2005, 09:32 AM

I knew someone was going to bring something up about what this forum is. Yeah, I am aware this is a conservative forum, a political forum. All I am saying is that I am not used to it. I am not saying I expect something different from this place.And what ARE you "used to"? No, don't bother answering that. You're one of the swarm from IIDB (http://www.iidb.org/vbb/member.php?u=17823), so I know what you're used to: Borgthink; doctrinarianism; intolerance; contempt. Those are all characteristics of that watering hole for "freethinkers" (well, free to think the officially approved thoughts, anyway).

I've seen how IIDB deals with different viewpoints. They attack with a killer-bee frenzy, flinging ad hominems like rice at a wedding. Hatred is rampant there. Hatred of God. Hatred of Christians. Hatred of conservatives. Hatred of President Bush. It's an evil place.

I do recall reading someone saying something about not speaking with a family member. I'll try to find it if you want me to.You made our point. If you have to do a diligent search to find one post stating a particular PoV, then obviously it is an extremely rare view.

At this writing, you have 374 posts. That is 373 more than the vast majority of conservatives get at DUh and other lib/left/RAT boards. Consider yourself fortunate that FC is not what you are "used to".

Tumblehome

08-30-2005, 10:12 AM

IIDB is larger and more impersonal. This place is small and almost family like. It is the same people you see here in almost every thread. Over there it is a never ending line of people you have never seen before. You get militants over there as well as tolerants both here and there, but there are more extreme examples of both there than here.

BTW, how did I ever become a "Senior Member"? Does that mean I'm old? *wheeze* Sonny, when I went to school we had to trudge through 10 feet of snow, uphill, both ways!

Teenager

08-30-2005, 11:10 AM

BTW, how did I ever become a "Senior Member"? Does that mean I'm old? *wheeze* Sonny, when I went to school we had to trudge through 10 feet of snow, uphill, both ways!

It means you've reached the 500th post. Congrats.

Trevelyan

08-30-2005, 11:56 AM

And what ARE you "used to"? No, don't bother answering that. You're one of the swarm from IIDB (http://www.iidb.org/vbb/member.php?u=17823), so I know what you're used to: Borgthink; doctrinarianism; intolerance; contempt. Those are all characteristics of that watering hole for "freethinkers" (well, free to think the officially approved thoughts, anyway).

I was asked to join IIDB by someone I knew from another forum that had nothing to do with politics. It is not something I would have gone out looking for on my own. I probably have more posts here than I do at IIDB, and the majority of my posts at IIDB are in their equivalent of this forum's "The Library."

I've seen how IIDB deals with different viewpoints. They attack with a killer-bee frenzy, flinging ad hominems like rice at a wedding. Hatred is rampant there. Hatred of God. Hatred of Christians. Hatred of conservatives. Hatred of President Bush. It's an evil place.

Well, I have not observed an absolute lack of ad hominems or hatred here either.

You made our point. If you have to do a diligent search to find one post stating a particular PoV, then obviously it is an extremely rare view.

And the people who share the "the enemy", or anyone who is not of my ilk poiitically is a bad and evil person mentality is rare here as well? If so, I am either very adept at running into it, or I am misinterpreting something. Again, this has nothing to do with my expectations regarding some of the content of a forum of this nature.

All I am saying is in my personal life and at other forums I regularly involve myself in, I have not come across people who defined other people purely on the basis of political beliefs. If so, I shouldn't have certain friends, and my one aunt should not be married to one of my uncles.

At this writing, you have 374 posts. That is 373 more than the vast majority of conservatives get at DUh and other lib/left/RAT boards. Consider yourself fortunate that FC is not what you are "used to".

Again, I am not used to places such as the ones you have listed either. This is the first political forum I have really involved myself in. That doesn't mean I do not argue politics at other forums, but they ate not political forums.

Trevelyan

08-30-2005, 12:01 PM

Really? Maybe you just spend too much time around uninformed apolitical people with no desire to make the changes needed to fix the problems.

No, I spend time around people who do not judge you as a person based purely on your political beliefs.

BeerRun

08-30-2005, 12:50 PM

Wow, the recent additions to this thread kind of answer my initial question pretty well, I think.

If it's any consolation, I never was, have been, or will be affiliated with IIDB. I came here of my own volition. I don't want to be associated with any gang mentality crap. If one can't stand on their own with their own thoughts and ideas, they might as well move into the mountains and grow a beard. That way they can spare the rest of us from idjit contamination. I'm not talking strictly left or right-wing views, I mean vitriolic bile that's just plain ignorant.

Trevelyan

08-30-2005, 12:56 PM

Wow, the recent additions to this thread kind of answer my initial question pretty well, I think.

And that would be?

Wyatt_Junker

08-30-2005, 01:04 PM

First off, if you are going on a run, I'm not into that yuppie swill made form imported hops. Just get me some Bud.

If it's any consolation, I never was, have been, or will be affiliated with IIDB.

What about the cute pleather gym bag with the IIDB insignia? Just a parting gift? I think not.

I came here of my own volition.

Then you are not Patty Hearst shivering with the DT's in some dank Hotel room, rocking back and forth on a sheetless mattress full of ciggarette burns and john stains?

If you aren't, then it was the cyber mossad that brought you here, probably blindfolded as is their custom. No one has 'volition'.

I don't want to be associated with any gang mentality crap.

Westside.

If one can't stand on their own with their own thoughts and ideas,

Then they are a cardboard standy. Very much in demand these days from Hollywood up-and-comers on a budget that needs extras for its B movie.

they might as well move into the mountains and grow a beard.

Hey! I AM a mountain man. I have the orange prison jumpsuit and the mutt with the aching ass to prove it.

That way they can spare the rest of us from idjit contamination. I'm not talking strictly left or right-wing views, I mean vitriolic bile that's just plain ignorant.

No. Bile is necessary. It helps to break down meat, aiding digestion considerably. I like bile, perfectly measured of course, in proportion to the size of my steak.

BeerRun

08-30-2005, 01:07 PM

And that would be?
There's a lot of very strong-willed folks who post here. That makes it inviting for other, equally strong-willed folks. If the opinions differ radically, it's even more inviting for those willing and able to hold forth with their ideals.

BeerRun

08-30-2005, 01:21 PM

First off, if you are going on a run, I'm not into that yuppie swill made form imported hops. Just get me some Bud.Bud is all I drink... and I damn near keep the company in business single-handedlyWhat about the cute pleather gym bag with the IIDB insignia? Just a parting gift? I think not.<O:pBelieve what you want. I was never a member there. You may be so paranoid, you don’t know you’re paranoid. Ooooooooooooooooooooooo…….<O:pThen you are not Patty Hearst shivering with the DT's in some dank Hotel room, rocking back and forth on a sheetless mattress full of ciggarette burns and john stains?<O:pCute and very vivid, but no.<O:pIf you aren't, then it was the cyber mossad that brought you here, probably blindfolded as is their custom. No one has 'volition'.<O:pThis is still kind of paranoid. Read the first post in this thread. That’s what brought me here. Fun, trusting souls such as yourself keep me coming back for more. Since I am making a conscious choice to stay as long as allowed, that would imply ‘volition,’ eh?<O:pWestside.<O:pNo, Midwest.<O:pThen they are a cardboard standy. Very much in demand these days from Hollywood up-and-comers on a budget that needs extras for its B movie. Are you hitting on me? <O:pHey! I AM a mountain man. I have the orange prison jumpsuit and the mutt with the aching ass to prove it.<O:pAre you hitting on me?<O:pNo. Bile is necessary. It helps to break down meat, aiding digestion considerably. I like bile, perfectly measured of course, in proportion to the size of my steak.<O:pThat’s your world. Enjoy it.

JNSmith

08-30-2005, 10:27 PM

No, I spend time around people who do not judge you as a person based purely on your political beliefs.

You never said anything about "judging". You said

I'm just not used to being around some people who allow politics to affect their lives to such a degree.

Now, go back and re-read what I posted in the context that you brought up.

If you'd like to change what you were talking about, you may, but keep in mind, if you don't know what you're talking about, others won't either.

JNSmith

08-30-2005, 10:33 PM

No, I spend time around people who do not judge you as a person based purely on your political beliefs.

Oh, and by the way, all someone HAS here to judge you by are your stated political beliefs.

I have no idea if you spend all winter sheltering homeless people. For that matter, neither do I care. If I'm interested in that, I'll check www.blanketsforhomelesspeople.com (http://www.blanketsforhomelesspeople.com) Also I have no idea if you're a homicidal pedophile. I don't dislike you for that either, because I don't know ANYTHING about you except what you post here.

If you want to talk about lighting farts, or quilting bees, apparently you're comfortable with doing that at a political site, but it makes you look like a fool.