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DoctorDoom
08-30-2005, 10:58 PM
http://www.newsmax.com/images/headlines/KatrinaLooters-1.jpg
Looters make off with merchandise from several downtown
businesses in New Orleans, Tuesday. (AP Photos)
With much of the city flooded by Hurricane Katrina, looters floated garbage cans filled with clothing and jewelry down the street in a dash to grab what they could. In some cases, looting on Tuesday took place in full view of police and National Guard troops.
At a Walgreen's drug store in the French Quarter, people were running out with grocery baskets and coolers full of soft drinks, chips and diapers.
When police finally showed up, a young boy stood in the door screaming, "86! 86!" - the radio code for police - and the crowd scattered.
Denise Bollinger, a tourist from Philadelphia, stood outside and snapped pictures in amazement.
"It's downtown Baghdad," the housewife said. "It's insane. I've wanted to come here for 10 years. I thought this was a sophisticated city. I guess not."Looting Begins in New Orleans - While Police Watch (http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2005/8/30/150121.shtml)
Why does EVERY disaster turn some people into subhuman scumbags whose morality and decency fly out the window? The police and NG should be authorized to kill the bastards on the spot.
ConservativeYouthMovement
08-30-2005, 11:18 PM
You are correct. I was thinking that while I watched it on TV that if i were one of the cops there I would open fire.
PaulRevere
08-31-2005, 12:59 AM
Scumbags that need killing
For a minute I thought this was another Pat Robertson thread
Have ya noticed that with Every dang disaster/riot or whathave you, its Black people that seem to be the only ones Looting?
Why is that??
From the LA Riots, to up in Seattle bashing and smashing storefronts and looting there to Andrew and on.
And why the hell did the Nat'l Guard just stand by and do nothing??
Thats absolutely uncalled for and someones arse should hang for that inaction.
RightTurns
08-31-2005, 03:05 AM
Rink, a big portion of the population down south is black. I don't think it's fair to stereotype here.
As far as the National Guard - they are in search and rescue mode right now. Looting concerns are secondary, but important. But certainly NOT as important as saving lives.
PaulRevere
08-31-2005, 05:15 AM
Have ya noticed that with Every dang disaster/riot or whathave you, its Black people that seem to be the only ones Looting?
Why is that??
Their rationale is that whitey owes them, so they are just taking what is rightfully theirs IOT make up for 200 years of slavery and 150 years of racism.
Large_Al
08-31-2005, 06:01 AM
Hey Liberals You all were upset about the looting in Bagdad. Remember that Bush didn't have a plan to prevent looting in a war zone. Well gee now we see that looting is happening and If I look at the pictures it doesn't look like those are Republicans doing it.
Large_Al
08-31-2005, 06:07 AM
I apologize for my blunt and non political correct statement above.
midnite
08-31-2005, 06:32 AM
The democratic core base in all its glory!
Tumblehome
08-31-2005, 06:41 AM
How on earth can you tell the policital ideology of these looters by looking at those photographs? Prejudiced much? At the very least claim that they are of an ideology that goes with the photo - like maybe they are anarchists. The heavy odds are that these are people who do not vote (just based on statistics alone)
midnite
08-31-2005, 06:47 AM
I think if you check election results from their precents you will find that its about 80 plus percent democrat as it is in my neck of the woods Prejudiced you bet I despise thiefs
Riverboat
08-31-2005, 06:48 AM
Hey Liberals You all were upset about the looting in Bagdad. Remember that Bush didn't have a plan to prevent looting in a war zone. Well gee now we see that looting is happening and If I look at the pictures it doesn't look like those are Republicans doing it.And that's under a Democratic mayor.
Tumblehome
08-31-2005, 07:29 AM
Just to play devil's advocate (as I'm an evil heathen and all):
It isn't just black people who are looting after this disaster.
http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/050830/480/laeg10308301937
Some have argued that the media has been biased in its reporting of black "looters" and white "takers of necesities"
http://www.metafilter.com/mefi/44689 (http://www.metafilter.com/mefi/44689)
From FarmMama at IIDB:
"I'd do the same thing were I there. Especially if I were there because I had no money to fuel my car to get me out (if I were even lucky enough to have a car). No money to buy enough supplies to last 2 or 3 weeks. Nowhere to go. No money for hotel. No relatives to send me money.
What exactly are the poor supposed to do? It seems to me they are ****ed for being poor and then ****ed again when they're labeled "stupid" for having no choice but to stay put through this horror and then, one more good **** for trying to stay alive via taking food & water. Sheesh..........
For those that had the means to get out and didn't, THEY are the morons. For the poor and homeless who had no choice I feel nothing but incredible sorrow."
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Another thought:
Looting to get purposefully arrested and put in a somewhat shelter may not be a bad move if your home has been destroyed.
The obligatory Bush Bashing Moment (tm):
If the national guard were in Louisiana instead of Iraq, evacuating would have been a lot easier.<!-- / message -->
Yeah I have seen a lot of that sentiment roaming around, just another opportunity to blame Bush for someone's misery.
I have also seen a lot of people express that looting is perfectly fine if poor people cannot afford things. Okay, well in normal day to day life, they still cannot afford things, is stealing acceptable then? What about horrible winter weather, they cannot afford certain things, should we just let em steal what they need?? Crazy logic!!!
A lot of this looting may be survival items, but the people stealing will not be using the items, they will be selling them at outrageous prices to needy victims!
Large_Al
08-31-2005, 08:45 AM
FarmMama is feeling incredible sorrow for the poor. F'in Great that's what they need sorrow. Hey maybe Farmmama could send money and supplies like I'm doing. I feel sorry for anyone not just the poor anyone who lost everything they worked hard for to this natural disaster.
Tumble I missed where I brought color into this. I'm aware that whites are doing this also. Check out the demographics of N.O. It's a blue city and area.......solid blue. See Republicans tend to have respect for others and their property. Liberal DemonRats tend to expect hand outs and entitlements and wealth distribution.
Oh and before you start throwing the "Prejudiced much?" BS... My Family is of mixed race. So Take your "prejudiced much" comment and shove it up your ass. Oh you may have to remove your head first!
Warlady
08-31-2005, 09:15 AM
How on earth can you tell the policital ideology of these looters by looking at those photographs? Prejudiced much? At the very least claim that they are of an ideology that goes with the photo - like maybe they are anarchists. The heavy odds are that these are people who do not vote (just based on statistics alone)
If I were a Democrat I'd be embarrassed too. You tell us not to judge political ideology on pictures alone and yet you do the very same thing. Sorry to burst your bubble but southern blacks do vote and they vote 90% Democrat so by the statistics alone 90% of those in the pictures are guess what? DEMOCRATS.
JNSmith
08-31-2005, 09:23 AM
From FarmMama at IIDB:
"I'd do the same thing were I there. Especially if I were there because I had no money to fuel my car to get me out (if I were even lucky enough to have a car).
Wow, everyone that has a car has it through "luck". No work involved or nothing. Sounds like someone has bought into the "life's lottery" philosophy.
No money to buy enough supplies to last 2 or 3 weeks. Nowhere to go. No money for hotel. No relatives to send me money.
No need to look for a job, no one to panhandle off of.
What exactly are the poor supposed to do? It seems to me they are ****ed for being poor and then ****ed again when they're labeled "stupid" for having no choice but to stay put through this horror and then, one more good **** for trying to stay alive via taking food & water. Sheesh..........
Yeah...stealing stuff is justifiable if you need it bad enough. :rolleyes:
For those that had the means to get out and didn't, THEY are the morons. For the poor and homeless who had no choice I feel nothing but incredible sorrow."
There's ALWAYS a choice.
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Another thought:
Looting to get purposefully arrested and put in a somewhat shelter may not be a bad move if your home has been destroyed.
Leaving and finding a job somewhere might actaully be smarter.
The obligatory Bush Bashing Moment (tm):
If the national guard were in Louisiana instead of Iraq, evacuating would have been a lot easier.<!-- / message -->
Yeah, and if the morons had left in the weeks worth of news leading up to the event it wouldn't have been necessary.
aaron11
08-31-2005, 09:27 AM
LoL Tumble, you should have known better...
Tumblehome
08-31-2005, 10:51 AM
LoL Tumble, you should have known better...
... than to play devil's advocate? Somebody has to keep things interesting around here :devilange
Actually I don't in any way support looting. And I think these people are pretty stupid to not have gotten out of there when they could. There was ample forewarning.
Beowulf
08-31-2005, 11:31 AM
Dummycratic leadership will excuse the looters, saying that they were stealing to survive and that is was mostly necessities like "food, water and diapers."
Hey looters, next time you are warned to leave before the hurricane arrives, do it. If needed, buy a bus ticket.
There are very few things lower than being a thief. It takes a morally corrupt individual to steal needlessly. Food and other necessities is one thing, but to steal non-essential items, is abuse.
Phil Osophical
08-31-2005, 12:22 PM
Now New Orleans is getting ready to unleash 25,000 of them on Houston. They better make certain they keep them locked inside that Astrodome.
Lazarus
08-31-2005, 12:43 PM
The obligatory Bush Bashing Moment (tm):
If the national guard were in Louisiana instead of Iraq, evacuating would have been a lot easier.<!-- / message -->Oh for Chrissakes, Tumble... That's gotta be the most pathetic politicization of the disaster I have heard so far... I really thought you were smarter than that kind of desperate partisan crap... Do you actually think for one single moment that if all the Louisiana National Guard were there that the looting would stop? I cant believe you actually sank to the level of that statement...
For those who are not familiar with New Orleans Im gonna clue you in... The looters have turned out en masse in New Orleans because that is the kind of city New Orleans has become... It is a cesspool of human refuse... The police department is so corrupt that it competes with organized crime for a "piece of the action"... The famous "French Quarter" is nothing but blocks of stripper clubs and Voodoo shops - The Dixieland music clubs have all but totally disappeared... The last time I was there - about 20 years ago - A friend took me down to the French Quarter... We walked down Bourbon Street for several blocks until he stopped and said, "We dont go any farther - From this point on the quarter is controlled by the Fags"...
What do you expect the inner city population to be made up of?... New Orleans is possibly the most rotten Urban environment in the entire nation - and considering the competition that's quite an achievement...
Not what I would call a "Family Vacation" destination...
Im far more concerned with the populations of Gulfport, Biloxi, and Mobile than all the people in New Orleans...
So says Lazarus......
Republican_Legion
08-31-2005, 01:34 PM
There are very few things lower than being a thief. It takes a morally corrupt individual to steal needlessly. Food and other necessities is one thing, but to steal non-essential items, is abuse.
i agree with you on this , the people need food and they talked on the news(fox) that the people are/may starve and will resort to looting .
Apollo5600
08-31-2005, 01:39 PM
Rink, a big portion of the population down south is black. I don't think it's fair to stereotype here.
This is probably true, on tv all I've seen are black people. There are good Christians who made great statements of Faith before the hurricane hit. I wonder if that one lady Fox kept interviewing made it ok? She was such a sweet one, I prayed for her, and those who didn't deserve to be washed away by the hurricane. She was one of the people inline to the superdome, so she should be fine. Though I hear it is a very uncomfortable situation.
However, it is also true that New Orleans is mostly a degenerate city... Here is a press release I got in an email from Repent America:
<TABLE cellSpacing=2 cellPadding=2 width="100%" border=0><TBODY><TR><TD>ACT OF GOD DESTROYS NEW ORLEANS
DAYS BEFORE "SOUTHERN DECADENCE"
</TD></TR><TR><TD>PHILADELPHIA - Just days before “Southern Decadence”, an annual homosexual celebration attracting tens of thousands of people to the French Quarters section of New Orleans, an act of God destroys the city.
“Southern Decadence” has a history of filling the French Quarters section of the city with drunken homosexuals engaging in sex acts in the public streets and bars. Last year, a local pastor sent video footage of sex acts being performed in front of police to the mayor, city council, and the media. City officials simply ignored the footage and continued to welcome and praise the weeklong celebration as being an “exciting event”. However, Hurricane Katrina has put an end to the annual celebration of sin.
On the official “Southern Decadence” website (www.SouthernDecadence.com) (http://www.southerndecadence.com)/), it states that the annual event brought in “125,000 revelers” to New Orleans last year, increasing by thousands each year, and up from “over 50,000 revelers” in 1997. This year’s 34<SUP>th</SUP> annual “Southern Decadence” was set for Wednesday, August 31, 2005 through Monday, September 5, 2005, but due to massive flooding and the damage left by the hurricane, Louisiana Governor Kathleen Blanco has ordered everyone to evacuate the city.
The past three mayors of New Orleans, including Sidney Barthelomew, Marc H. Morial, and C. Ray Nagin, issued official proclamations welcoming visitors to “Southern Decadence”. Additionally, New Orleans City Council made other proclamations recognizing the annual homosexual celebration.
“Although the loss of lives is deeply saddening, this act of God destroyed a wicked city,” stated Repent America director Michael Marcavage. “From ‘Girls Gone Wild’ to ‘Southern Decadence’, New Orleans was a city that opened its doors wide open to the public celebration of sin. May it never be the same,” he continued.
New Orleans is also known for its Mardi Gras parties where thousands of drunken men revel in the streets to exchange plastic jewelry for drunken women to expose their breasts. This annual event sparked the creation of the “Girls Gone Wild” video series.
“Let us pray for those ravaged by this disaster. However, we must not forget that the citizens of New Orleans tolerated and welcomed the wickedness in their city for so long,” Marcavage said. “May this act of God cause us all to think about what we tolerate in our city limits, and bring us trembling before the throne of Almighty God,” Marcavage concluded.
“[God] sendeth rain on the just and on the unjust”. (Matthew 5:45)
Link to press release: http://www.repentamerica.com/pr_hurricanekatrina.html (http://javascript<img%20src="http://www.freeconservatives.com/vb/images/smilies/redface.gif"%20border="0"%20alt=""%20title="Embarr assment"%20smilieid="2"%20class="inlineimg"%20/>l('http://www.repentamerica.com/pr_hurricanekatrina.html');)
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Lazarus
08-31-2005, 01:40 PM
Now New Orleans is getting ready to unleash 25,000 of them on Houston. They better make certain they keep them locked inside that Astrodome.I doubt Texans will tolerate the kind of behavior that the authorities wink at in New Orleans... Texas will graciously care for them - and require them to live by Texas standards of behavior... Might be a whole new experience for some of them...
Apollo5600
08-31-2005, 01:42 PM
A friend took me down to the French Quarter... We walked down Bourbon Street for several blocks until he stopped and said, "We dont go any farther - From this point on the quarter is controlled by the Fags
Was there a Sodom situation going on in there? Dangerous to enter?
I doubt Texans will tolerate the kind of behavior that the authorities wink at in New Orleans... Texas will graciously care for them - and require them to live by Texas standards of behavior... Might be a whole new experience for some of them...
Officers from all over the state are being armed to the teeth and sent in to New Orleans to take control back. Everyone heard about the police officer getting shot. What everyone's not hearing is New Orleans has turned into the wild west. They are boatjacking {I think I made a new term} and killing people all over New Orleans.
Apollo5600
08-31-2005, 01:49 PM
I heard on Fox from a reporter who had been standing next to a Cop when his radio started going crazy... According to the Cop (who told the reporter) 2 men carrying AK47s apparently shot up the police station, one cop was shot or killed, and the both of them fled into the French Quarter.
However, I have been unable to find any confirmation of it.
Lazarus
08-31-2005, 01:49 PM
Was there a Sodom situation going on in there? Dangerous to enter?
I didnt ask too many questions... I value my friend's judgement... I got the message loud and clear... I will not miss New Orleans...
Apollo5600
08-31-2005, 01:51 PM
Officers from all over the state are being armed to the teeth and sent in to New Orleans to take control back. Everyone heard about the police officer getting shot. What everyone's not hearing is New Orleans has turned into the wild west. They are boatjacking {I think I made a new term} and killing people all over New Orleans.
I haven't heard anything on Fox about any of this (are the cops not letting this news get out?) but I don't doubt it. <!-- / message --><!-- sig -->
Lazarus
08-31-2005, 01:53 PM
If the situation turns into anarchy they wont be able to keep it covered up... The MSM smells blood like sharks...
Republican_Legion
08-31-2005, 01:54 PM
so whats worse : San Francisco or New Orleans ?
i've only been to san francisco once , it was terrible and a very scary dangerous place to be especially if ur a straight man . i've been on a roadtrip once from california to georgia to visit family and we did pass thru lousianna and i dont remember for sure if i technically crossed paths with new orleans .
If the situation turns into anarchy they wont be able to keep it covered up... The MSM smells blood like sharks...
It already is my friend.
(are the cops not letting this news get out?) <!-- / message --><!-- sig -->
They are keeping alot quite. They don't want people trying to get back into New Orleans.
Lazarus
08-31-2005, 02:09 PM
I think New Orleans has been ripe for anarchy for years... Just took a little storm to push it over the edge...
Now wait and see what happens when all that rain that hit the Ohio Valley comes down the Mississippi back to New Orleans...
so whats worse : San Francisco or New Orleans ?
i've only been to san francisco once , it was terrible and a very scary dangerous place to be especially if ur a straight man . i've been on a roadtrip once from california to georgia to visit family and we did pass thru lousianna and i dont remember for sure if i technically crossed paths with new orleans .
Never been to SF. New Orleans is great..........if you stay in the great area. Approx. 75% of all inmates in Louisiana come from the Orleans Parish area. The queers have a small area. The biggest problem is the violent areas if you don't know where they are you will stumble into them.
Lazarus
08-31-2005, 02:25 PM
New Orleans has a wide variety of evil to choose from... Take your pick...:uhh:
Homosexualism not your thing? Try some Voodoo or play with the Vampire-wanna-bes...
About all New Orleans has to offer a normal person is Architecture and good seafood...
You are right Laz but there are a couple of Christians in there also.
Lazarus
08-31-2005, 02:53 PM
You are right Laz but there are a couple of Christians in there also.Of that I have no doubt - probably more than a couple... And I also have no doubt that God has made provision for those who belong to him...
New Orleans chaotic
http://reuters.myway.com/article/20050831/2005-08-31T185744Z_01_HO481242_RTRIDST_0_NEWS-WEATHER-KATRINA-DC.html
DoctorDoom
08-31-2005, 03:59 PM
For whatever reason, NewsMax changed the article at that URL. However, one sentence referred to clothing and jewelry being stolen. Would anyone care to explain how those are life-sustaining commodities?
DoctorDoom
08-31-2005, 04:10 PM
Originally Posted by aaron11
LoL Tumble, you should have known better...... than to play devil's advocate? Somebody has to keep things interesting around here.If you're as clueless and ludicrous with your clients as you are with your posts, human help them.
UnkHiram
08-31-2005, 04:39 PM
Shoot the looters, help the survivors. Discuss politics after everyone is safe.
DoctorDoom
08-31-2005, 04:48 PM
Q: where are FC's anarchists? I'd like their input on how they are viewing what real anarchy is like in NO.
Republican_Legion
08-31-2005, 05:23 PM
Q: where are FC's anarchists? I'd like their input on how they are viewing what real anarchy is like in NO.
they are too busy attacking pat robertson .
Incident_command
08-31-2005, 05:41 PM
Shoot the looters, help the survivors. Discuss politics after everyone is safe.
Close I like this sign I saw painted on a house while doing search and rescue after Hurricane Andrew.
LOOTERS WILL BE SHOT!!
SURVIVORS WILL BE SHOT AGAIN!
Tumblehome
08-31-2005, 05:53 PM
Oh for Chrissakes, Tumble... That's gotta be the most pathetic politicization of the disaster I have heard so far... I really thought you were smarter than that kind of desperate partisan crap... Do you actually think for one single moment that if all the Louisiana National Guard were there that the looting would stop?
Not in the slightest. Read the rest of the post. I was playing devil's advocate as I clearly stated. Expect that argument to come up.
Apollo5600
08-31-2005, 05:55 PM
Shepard Smith (Fox News) just reported that a fellow Foxguy in the area has seen a bunch of men armed with AK47s roaming the city, apparently looting. <!--IBF.ATTACHMENT_4686-->
Shepard Smith (Fox News) just reported that a fellow Foxguy in the area has seen a bunch of men armed with AK47s roaming the city, apparently looting. <!--IBF.ATTACHMENT_4686-->
The officers going in are packing automatic weapons. They need your prayers now.
DoctorDoom
08-31-2005, 06:17 PM
Expect that argument to come up.From a liberal piece of dog shit like you, who hasn't a trace of decency, respect, honor, or humanity, we expect it.
PrezLeefun
08-31-2005, 06:29 PM
You know I understand stealing things like food and water, even clothes. Its the stealing of television sets that I dont get.
For one it is just wrong. Two where's the logic in that? They have no eletricity and wont have any for two months...whats the point?
You know I understand stealing things like food and water, even clothes. Its the stealing of television sets that I dont get.
For one it is just wrong. Two where's the logic in that? They have no eletricity and wont have any for two months...whats the point?
It's turf war, it's punks that have seen Scarface too many times. It's about them and their feeling of power.
These guys are my friends going in there. They have families. Please pray for them.
omegatrump
08-31-2005, 06:59 PM
A thief is a thief, call them looters if you like. It appears to me that Katrina just gave them the open door they were poised to enter. I pray that if I am ever face to face with a thief that I will be gripped with instant wisdom to determine the mans need before I dispatch him to his eternal Judge for further travel instructions.
bannerman
08-31-2005, 07:09 PM
republicans independant and non voters were looting FOOD....while Deomcraps and thier ilk were looting DRUGS and ROLEX WATCHES?
id be willing to lay a few dollars on it
Pendragon_6
08-31-2005, 07:20 PM
Looters: Shoot anyone not taking food.
omegatrump
08-31-2005, 07:33 PM
MSGT, I pray for those policemen. They are the only thing that keeps the rest of us from having to kill those PREDITORS. Those thieves don't realize it but those policemen are their best friends.
Teenager
08-31-2005, 08:14 PM
Have ya noticed that with Every dang disaster/riot or whathave you, its Black people that seem to be the only ones Looting?
I saw another picture with either a white or a hispanic wading through the water with merchandise.
DoctorDoom
08-31-2005, 11:28 PM
Vermin come in assorted colors, shapes, sizes, ages, and both sexes. Kill 'em all and let God sort 'em out.
Conserv_Atticus
08-31-2005, 11:39 PM
Now that Marshall Law is in order, its time to start firing!
Venus de Smilo
09-01-2005, 03:57 AM
How on earth can you tell the policital ideology of these looters by looking at those photographs? Prejudiced much? At the very least claim that they are of an ideology that goes with the photo - like maybe they are anarchists. The heavy odds are that these are people who do not vote (just based on statistics alone)
It's easy. All the New Orleans parishes' precincts went widely for Kerry in '04 and historically are heavily 'rat.
Venus de Smilo
09-01-2005, 04:42 AM
I submit that the armed looters (at least some of whom broke into gun stores and pawn shops to get the guns) deliberately stayed behind to loot and carjack. It was reported this afternoon that these parasitic slugs are breaking into homes of the more affluent who live on higher ground, holding them at gunpoint, filling the homeowners's cars with valuables, and then driving off with the car full of goods. There was also a situation Tuesday where these armed thugs opened fire on the police department. Cops have been shot in other incidents, including one officer who was shot in the head. Another armed looter walked up to an armed Nat'l Guardsman and told him to lay down his weapon because he had no right to stop him from looting. There was footage of another looter who said, "It's our store now", in reference to the emptying of the Wal-Mart. Fifteen hundred police and search personnel have been redeployed from search and rescue tasks to work solely at stopping the looting and the shooting.
New Orleans is a war zone. Every single one of the looters that I saw was black. In fact, all but fewer than five of the people that I've seen in the endless footage on all channels, be it about looting or rescues, were black. There was footage of some slug trying to run with an armload of stolen merchandise while using his other hand to hold up his pants. I saw that more than once, but this guy's butt was hanging completely out with the waist of his pants hanging down around his thighs. I wonder if he thought to steal some suspenders. These people are uncivilized animals and they don't belong in this country. They're a bunch of savages and they belong back in the mud huts from whence they came and that their distant relatives still inhabit today. Slavery was a mistake, a big mistake, for more than the usually stated reason. I wish they'd never come here. They've emptied all the jewelry stores, sporting goods stores, clothing stores, pharmacies, electronics stores, carjacked, shot at people, robbed people at gunpoint and generally made the most disgusting spectacles of themselves beyond imagination.
The truly needy there who aren't looting, or aren't looting beyond a few necessities, had a chance to get out and didn't do it. I hope they're rescued if they're elderly or disabled, babies, etc., but the rest are just lazy fools, and I couldn't care less if they all drop dead tonight. Maybe a nice cleansing of the gene pool by shit-filled water is just what is needed. They look like a bunch of idiots wandering around in the filthy water while they steal. I particularly despise these big, fat mamas who stand there screeching demands in indignant anger that THEY be sent help immediately. All they have to do is walk to the shelter to get water, food, and a ride out of town, but they're too fat and lazy to do it just like they were too fat and lazy to get out before the storm hit. The entitlement mentality forged by LBJ is alive and well in these "refugees".
I'm about as disgusted as I can be with these people, and I'm ashamed that they're Americans. Correction - make that African-Americans. This is the first time I've agreed that that hyphenation really is accurate. Absolute primitive savages. I'd be as embarrassed as hell to be an upstanding black person amidst how my "community" is behaving. As for being 'rats, I doubt that they're embarrassed. After the tire-slashing and the shooting at 'pub headquarters last election, the behavior we're seeing is staus quo for 'rats.
I can not fully put words to how disgusted I am.
Not all who didnt leave were 'Lazy' many just plain didnt have the financial means to get the hell out, they couldnt afford the hotels, they couldnt afford gas, they couldnt afford the bus faires and more, there was absolutely NO Organized mass-transit for people who had absolutely no means upon which to get the hell out of that area, to call them 'Lazy' is a disgrace.
Not all are lazy, many stayed behind because they feared this very thing 'looting' they also were many people taking care of families that could not get out, old folk, sick blind, deaf, heart patients and more.
Many people Tried like hell to get out but they couldnt get out.
You got a situation where the police literally had to commandeer cars in order to help people in rescue efforts as well as stop looting and do their jobs because their own cars were ruined from the hurricaine.
You be disgusted, be my guest but not everyone has the means to get out, many just didnt have the finances to do so.
There's apartment places full of old frail folks still there and completely unable to get out, they couldnt get out before the hurricaine, and they STILL cant get out afterwards, so if You wanna call them LAZY be my damn guest!!!
I dont call em all lazy.
As for the thugs runnin around looting, the police and nat'l guard needs to just plain shoot them, as many a re home grown and many are NOT home grown, many are comin in from all over the place to raid, pillage and loot.
Even the police are fearing for their lives even armed as they are, these thugs are even holding up Nat'l guardsmen and making them give up their guns because of the outright brazenness of these thugs.
There needs to be an absolute overall order to literall shoot to kill any who are looting non-essentials.
But Venus I must differ with you, not all that stayed there were 'lazy', as if 'laziness' means you're too friggin poor to afford a means to get out then gee I feel sorry for yas.
We dont need to call em 'lazy' we need to get these people help and see if they can find a way to get out of their grinding poverty.
Many areas in Mississippi is extremely poor.
One of the most poorest states in this country.
Dont call em 'all' lazy, thats a blanket statement we right now just plainly dont need.
Longhorn_Platinum
09-01-2005, 05:59 AM
Venus de Smilo:
I submit that the armed looters (at least some of whom broke into gun stores and pawn shops to get the guns) deliberately stayed behind to loot and carjack.
I can not fully put words to how disgusted I am.
:unsmile: I think you did a pretty good job of assessing the situation. New Orleans has become a no-man's land for outlaws. Maybe the government should leave it isolated for awhile. Once the looters consume their stolen gains, what next? They've just about picked everything clean.
Tumblehome
09-01-2005, 06:42 AM
From a liberal piece of dog shit like you, who hasn't a trace of decency, respect, honor, or humanity, we expect it.
:rolleyes: Has Doom ever made a post that didn't involve some attempt to demean somebody? Angry bitter fellow.
:hahaha:
Well put Venus, and I share in your disgust. There is no way to add to what you said, as I read it I was getting more pissed off myself. Grrrrrrr
Tumblehome
09-01-2005, 06:47 AM
We dont need to call em 'lazy' we need to get these people help and see if they can find a way to get out of their grinding poverty.
Dont call em 'all' lazy, thats a blanket statement we right now just plainly dont need.
Now that sounds down right liberal. I didn't expect such a statement on this board.
Tumble when you dont have a car, when you dont have any cash on hand what the heck do you do to get out?
Like for instance some old people were in this one apartment place and this woman was saying some couldnt see, some couldnt talk and some couldnt walk, how do you get those people out and to safety? when the state obviously left them to their own devices?
In many of these in-home care residences the seniors have to literally give up their Whole Soc security check in order to live there with the kind of care needed for their lives.
So the gov tells em 'get out' how do these people 'get out' when they have no money, and the transportation isnt there?
Poor people have no means upon which to get out, are they just supposed to up and walk out while a hurricaine is moving in?
How do you pay for hotels, gas, transportation when you are friggin poor?
Many have stated if they could get out they would have but they did not have the financial means uponwhich to get out.
Many of these people have been kept down by the democrats entitlement programs and welfare, these people have been told most of their lives they cannot do without some kind of govt help in the form of social program.
Many of these people are uneducated, cant read or write their own names, something has to give, and education is one, a trade taught to them is another.
Now is it the governments fault that they are poor? Partially, as many government programs literally KEEP people in abject poverty and if those people on the government social programs try to better their lives with some sort of outside income they're slammed down for it.
There needs to be incentives to get off the social programs and an incentive to make those social programs unpalatable for those on it as it is.
Believe me yer talking to one who is ON a social program and I have been hunting and fighting for almost a year to get off that social program and get a job to become a productive member of human society. and its damned difficult to do that.
Sometimes its not a matter of laziness in such cases, it is a matter of whether or not you the person on the social program has the skills necessary to get out of poverty and off the social programs and into a job that can help make you a productive member of human society.
Nobody 'Chooses' to be poor, it just happens, yes some are lazy, some want to be on entitlement social programs and welfare, but not all do.
The ONLY way to get em off these life-sucking programs is to Force those that want to be on them out and to others who want off those programs a way to do it without losing the shirt off their backs.
Those that didnt leave the path of the hurricaine didnt have much in choices there and ther state didnt handle things right in my opinion with regards to those who had absolutely no means upon which to get out of harms way.
Many stayed in order to protect house, or stayed for family who couldnt be moved out or stayed in order to help Or.... stayed in order to loot.
Those that loot should be shot on the spot.
Those that want out should be given at Least a chance to get out and some time upon which to be able to get back up on their feet.
But to make such a blanket statement of all the people who 'stayed' in that region as 'lazy' is a disgraceful thing to say and to bitch and whine bout their 'laziness' just isnt appropriate at this time in my honest opinion.
Lazarus
09-01-2005, 08:13 AM
:unsmile: I think you did a pretty good job of assessing the situation. New Orleans has become a no-man's land for outlaws. Maybe the government should leave it isolated for awhile. Once the looters consume their stolen gains, what next? They've just about picked everything clean.I dont think the nation as a whole yet realizes just how lawless New Orleans was BEFORE the storm... This disaster has just provided an opportunity for the criminals to operate openly with impunity...
One wonders how many other big cities in the US are not far behind... This whole situation should demonstrate to everyone just how easily this nation could be pushed into chaos and anarchy... Our culture has become brittle and weak, and it wouldnt take much to push the whole show over the edge...
Keith J
09-01-2005, 08:40 AM
Rink, those that couldn't get out now WANT to get out. Those who could get out but didn't now want to stay.
They knew damn well what would happen. Notice, no looting until it started flooding?
And now they are shooting at the helicopters. Why? Because they don't want ANY assistance.
I say we send in som MH-6s, each with 4 operators equipped with M-249s. Want to shoot at a bird? Here is one that is small AND SHOOTS BACK.
DoctorDoom
09-01-2005, 08:42 AM
Has Doom ever made a post that didn't involve some attempt to demean somebody? Angry bitter fellow.YOU were the one who used the disaster in Louisiana for another of your endless attacks on President Bush for Iraq. That is contemptible. YOU are contemptible. You have nothing of value to say to Americans. Every time you post, you prove just how far up your ass your head is shoved.
It constantly amazes me why a knuckle-dragging moron like you is tolerated here.
TechnoPrincess
09-01-2005, 08:49 AM
Well put Rink!! :claps:
DoctorDoom
09-01-2005, 09:03 AM
I can not fully put words to how disgusted I am.Sister Venus, you did very well indeed. The anarchy in NO will not subside until troops go in and start killing the parasites without mercy. Looters need to be summarily executed, period. It's the only way to regain control.
The whole thing seems like a real-life Snake Plissken movie.
Lazarus
09-01-2005, 09:50 AM
You can bet that "Frau Blucher" Reno would have burned em out by now... But Im sure if Bush tried that approach the libs would be calling for his imprisonment...
Republican_Legion
09-01-2005, 10:36 AM
YOU were the one who used the disaster in Louisiana for another of your endless attacks on President Bush for Iraq. That is contemptible. YOU are contemptible. You have nothing of value to say to Americans. Every time you post, you prove just how far up your ass your head is shoved.
It constantly amazes me why a knuckle-dragging moron like you is tolerated here.
i agree doom , the liberal trolls are getting to be over-tolerated .
Venus de Smilo
09-01-2005, 01:24 PM
Rink, much of what you say is some of the most lame-assed justification I've ever read. It's disgusting. Your ongoing mantra about the government not shelling out enough to the lazy-assed recipients of our largesse is reprehensible.
If these people wanted more money in order to live better and be able to take care of themselves when disaster strikes, they'd do it. The resources are there. They're just too damned lazy to get educated and get a job. These people are like pets being kept - fed, sheltered and clothed - by the 'rat party plantation masters.
Sniper teams should be sent in to eradicate these bastards who are robbing, raping, firing on the choppers and threatening hospital and relief workers.
Lame my ass, most of the people there WANTED out but had absolutely no financial means to get out, how the hell are they gonna pay for gas, transportation and more?
O and what resources?
When you have old folks still stuck in their apartment homes because the 'resources' werent there for them before OR after the hurricaine.
Not all are black that were too poor to get out and wanted out.
I guess being 'poor' is a crime to you when the skin color is black.
PS: I have absolutely no prob with the authorities shooting to kill the looters causing the mayhem, they should have been doing it but they havent.
WHo I refer to are the people who had no means to getting out and just want out and never asked to suffer this kind of misery.
Yes many are short-sighted, yes some wanted to stay for family reasons, financial, others wanted to stay to help out like this one man on fox news that stayed and rode the hurricaine out he wanted to help and just plain got lucky to get out when he did.
Many though used this as an opportunity to loot and cause mayhem.
There are some coming in from surrounding areas to loot and cause problems as well.
Their anti-establishment attitude is threatening the lives of the rescuers and the people who are being rescued and these people causing problems should plain be shot on the spot ASAP.
The authorities are too afraid of being labeled 'racists' if they issue a 'shoot-to-kill' order there in that situation, its PC fears fueling the lack of an appropriate Authorities response to this untenable situiation.
I wont argue that whatsoever, but the WAY you are presenting your argument is bordering on racist.
Apollo5600
09-01-2005, 01:38 PM
Lame my ass, most of the people there WANTED out but had absolutely no financial means to get out, how the hell are they gonna pay for gas, transportation and more?
This is true, and not every one of the poor people were lib scum from hell. Some of them were Christians who made great statements of Faith before the hurricane hit. (And they were Black Christians too)
This is true, and not every one of the poor people were lib scum from hell. Some of them were Christians who made great statements of Faith before the hurricane hit. (And they were Black Christians too)
WHAT???? CAN'T BE
Bluemoon_Rising
09-01-2005, 01:43 PM
For a minute I thought this was another Pat Robertson thread
:hahaha:
Good one.
Bluemoon_Rising
09-01-2005, 01:52 PM
Have ya noticed that with Every dang disaster/riot or whathave you, its Black people that seem to be the only ones Looting?
:question:
Whatever it is in this case -- caught in this snapshot -- it isn't inherent to blackness; it's inherent to human nature.
It goes to culture and upbringing.
Bluemoon_Rising
09-01-2005, 01:53 PM
How on earth can you tell the policital ideology of these looters by looking at those photographs?
We know they ain't conservatives.
My statement was issued on the fact that the vast majority were blacks in this instance that were looting, just as the L.A. Riots were majorly done by blacks and on.
I do not say ALL were black only or that the entire black people are looting lazy scumbags.
Just the fact of the matter here is a statement made from observation, nothing more Understand?
Venus de Smilo
09-01-2005, 01:57 PM
Lame my ass, most of the people there WANTED out but had absolutely no financial means to get out, how the hell are they gonna pay for gas, transportation and more?
O and what resources?
When you have old folks still stuck in their apartment homes because the 'resources' werent there for them before OR after the hurricaine.
Not all are black that were too poor to get out and wanted out.
I guess being 'poor' is a crime to you when the skin color is black.
Who the hell's fault is that? If they don't have enough means to scrape together $20 or $30 for gas or a bus ticket, it's their own fault. Besides, I don't buy it. They stayed because they didn't want to use their own money to get out, and others stayed specifically to loot and rob. If they didn't have the money and were waiting for thier next government check, that's also their fault. Maybe buying less booze, cigarettes and video rentals would have made the difference.
The resources are schools, jobs programs, volunteer programs, employment agencies, grants, scholarships, loans, on and on. But they all have an excuse not to use them.
The old folks stuck in their apartments are able to live on their own, right? Why didn't their family members get them out? There may be a small handful who don't have family, but most do. Most have lived there all their lives and have roots and family there. Their adult kids and grandkids should have helped them get out. But that's the government's responsibility, right?
Being poor doesn't mean you're not responsible for yourself and your family. It doesn't make you automatically dependent. As for the race issue, the fact that they're about 95% black speaks volumes. They've shown that they don't have what it takes to be Americans of independence and self-reliance, and we've never seen a better example of how they make their own situations worse because of attitude, laziness and lack of pride. The entire attitude on display here is that they're owed being taken care of and gawdammit, "somebody" better snap to and take care of my ass RIGHT NOW! Hell, there've been reports about diabetics who didn't even bother to bring enough insulin with them. They have no problem going into stores to carry out armloads of stuff, but they couldn't be bothered to grab a couple of vials of insulin to take with them from home. They cannot conduct themselves in an orderly way and help the helpers by letting the truly ill or needy go first, help hand out water, serve food, clean up after themselves, comfort the bereaved, use the supplies sparingly and generally conduct themselves in an intelligent, civilized manner.
I think a lot of them decided to stay because it was easier than taking the initiative to care for their own health and safety, so they just ignored the evacuation directives. As in any population, only a few are truly unable to care for themselves to some extent. The rest are just soft, dumb and weak.
Apollo5600
09-01-2005, 01:57 PM
It's their culture, black "gangsta" culture you see in the rap videos and all the rest of that trash. There is a book out called "Black Rednecks" which talks about it, written by a blackman BTW.
I dont think the nation as a whole yet realizes just how lawless New Orleans was BEFORE the storm... This disaster has just provided an opportunity for the criminals to operate openly with impunity...
One wonders how many other big cities in the US are not far behind... This whole situation should demonstrate to everyone just how easily this nation could be pushed into chaos and anarchy... Our culture has become brittle and weak, and it wouldnt take much to push the whole show over the edge...
It's exactly the same as any large city with an urban or ghetto {or what ever the hell you want to call it} area.
One question, Who on this board has been through a major hurricane?
Apollo5600
09-01-2005, 02:08 PM
I don't think I've been through anything major, since I'm still alive. But down here in Corpus we do get hurricanes from time to time, and I've never evacuated. I think we just got the tail end of the last one. Which was I think before 9/11 at the very least.
Who the hell's fault is that? If they don't have enough means to scrape together $20 or $30 for gas or a bus ticket, it's their own fault. Besides, I don't buy it. They stayed because they didn't want to use their own money to get out, and others stayed specifically to loot and rob. If they didn't have the money and were waiting for thier next government check, that's also their fault.
And I spose those that didnt have a car or the means they just deserved to die because they didnt have the money to get out when the mayor said 'Get out'
Right?
The resources are schools, jobs programs, volunteer programs, employment agencies, grants, scholarships, loans, on and on. But they all have an excuse.
Oyea I'm sure these people who are poor could just avail themselves of the millions of dollars in these programs just to get out magically.
Hey maybe they coulda used Harry Potters Magic flying broom to get out too?
Loans? when a hurricaine is coming? On a weekend? Oyea I'm sure the banks will loan poor people with no assets to their name Money, you think they're FOOLS????
Give me a break they didnt have the damned time to get the monies from this to get the hell out.
This hurricaine came on fast, what are they supposed to do WALK OUT when a hurricaine is bearing down on them?? GOOD IDEA!!!..............NOT!
The old folks stuck in their apartments are able to live on their own, right? Why didn't their family members get them out? There may be a small handful who don't have family, but most do. Most have lived there all their lives and have roots and family there. Their adult kids and grandkids should have helped them get out. But that's the government's responsibility, right?
Hate to tell you but its clearly Obvious you are oblivious to these old folks plight, many do NOT have families, and many who DO have families may not have been in the area to help them as again this hurricaine came on too fast for people to come in and get their relatives to safety.
Many of these old folk live in assisted care facilities, as I Have stated this woman on the Fox news stated that there was an apartment place filled with old frail folk, many couldnt see, some couldnt walk, talk and more, I guess it never occurred to you just how these folks get 'assisted care' living accomodations, they have to literally and completely Give up their social security check over to the assisted care apartment facility in order to be able to live there, so in effect these old people have absolutely no money and no means of transportation other than what the assisted care facility gives to them, and what hapens? The state who I am sure helps these assisted care facilities with tax monies Dropped the damned ball in getting these people OUT.
Many of whom cannot walk or get out on their own without help from others.
Get a grip and read my posts on this subject as I Have had to deal with elderly for a LONG time so I should know what the hell I'm talking bout on this.
Being poor doesn't mean you're not responsible for yourself and your family. It doesn't make you automatically dependent. As for the race issue, the fact that they're about 95% black speaks volumes. They've shown that they don't have what it takes to be Americans of independence and self-reliance, and we've never seen a better example of how they make their own situations worse because of attitude, laziness and lack of pride. The entire attitude on display here is that they're owed being taken care of and gawdammit, "somebody" better snap to and take care of my ass RIGHT NOW! Hell, there've been reports about diabetics who didn't even bother to bring enough insulin with them. They have no problem going into stores to carry out armloads of stuff, but they couldn't be bothered to grab a couple of vials of insulin to take with them from home. They cannot conduct themselves in an orderly way and help the helpers by letting the truly ill or needy go first, help hand out water, serve food, clean up after themselves, comfort the bereaved, use the supplies sparingly and generally conduct themselves in an intelligent, civilized manner.
Being poor means you are dependent on the state and gov't agencies to help dole out the pitiable incomes necessary for these people to live or eat or have accomodations.
People DO NOT choose to be poor, I sure as hell dont choose to be friggin poor and many of these social welfare programs do is Keep the people down in abject poverty and if a person tries to get out they're slammed by these programs and they only incomes they have is yanked from them, in effect they are kept on the dole as long as they are unable to get out, and are kept from getting out by discencentives to go out and just plain work.
Its obvious you've never been on the dole, try living on one measly income then be told you can only have so much in your bank account and be told you can only earn so much and be told if you go out and get a job you will loose the income ASAP immediately, in effect be thrown to the wolves.
This is how the democrats keep their constituents on the hook and keep them voting for them, because they keep these people dependent on them and do their utmost to discourage any attempts at getting off the plantation.
Much of that region is black, many there are in the majority, thats why 95% are black.
As for diabetics, maybe they dont have enough money or time to get the amount of insulin needed to get out with?? Have ya noticed the hurricaine came in on the weekend and most dr offices and pharmacies were CLOSED???
Get a reality grip not everyone can think ahead either when it comes to their medicines, many are short-sighted, that dont mean they deserve to die does it?
I think a lot of them didn't figure things would be as bad as they are and decided to stay because it was easier than taking the initiative to care for their own health and safety. As in any population, only a few are truly unable to care for themselves to some extent. Most of them are just soft, dumb and weak.
Many stayed because that region hasnt been hit like Florida has been hit and didnt think it would hit, they were in disbelief that a hurricaine would hit them smack dab on, thats a normal human reaction, again should they be condemned to death because of that??
We don't need this kind of destructive criticism right now we need Constructive criticism that will help point out the flaws here and see to it these mistakes are never made again.
All you have done is run down and criticise an entire people just because of the majority there that didnt think ahead since they didnt feel this was going to be this big a problem.
Shit happens, so why kick the people while they're hurting like this???
Arent they Americans also?
Venus de Smilo
09-01-2005, 02:20 PM
Rink, you're so full of bullshit, it's disgusting.
And you're a friggin racist, to make such blanket statement about an entire people.
Why dontcha grow up for a change and realize not all blacks are looting lazy scumbag bastards who are animals.
Venus de Smilo
09-01-2005, 02:30 PM
And you're a friggin racist, to make such blanket statement about an entire people.
Why dontcha grow up for a change and realize not all blacks are looting lazy scumbag bastards who are animals.
Your reading comprehension matches your work skills, Rink. I didn't say that. If you want to excuse ignorance, laziness and the entitlement mentality, all I can say is "consider the source."
Lazarus
09-01-2005, 02:31 PM
Ummm... Girls, yall might want to try the decaf and go outside for a breath of fresh air...
Lazarus
09-01-2005, 02:35 PM
One question, Who on this board has been through a major hurricane?I dont live on the coast and I have never thought it too smart to stay down there if a storm threatened... The closest I have been is when Ivan, and now Katrina, moved inland... Both had lost hurricane force winds by the time it reached Central Alabama... I was in Auburn, Alabama when Andrew came thru... It was pretty exciting...
Mostly we have to deal with Tornados here... Now I CAN TALK Tornados if you want to...
Bluemoon_Rising
09-01-2005, 02:38 PM
My statement was issued on the fact that the vast majority were blacks in this instance that were looting, just as the L.A. Riots were majority done by blacks and on.
I do not say ALL were black only or that the entire black people are looting lazy scumbags.
Just the fact of the matter here is a statement made from observation, nothing more Understand?
Yes. There's nothing hard about what you're saying. You asked why it's mostly always blacks involved in this sort of behavior at critical junctures.
The ultimate answer is that it goes to culture and upbringing.
We all know the basic history. We're talking about a group of people whose culture has in no small degree been shaped by slavery, followed by institutional oppression and political exploitation (read: the welfare plantation). Dependency breeds corruption.
One need only take a good look at the murderous rampage inflicted on France in the 18th Century by that nation’s "revolutionaries" to know what years of dependency and oppression will do to the character of any people.
Russia, for example, is caught between the re-encroaching power of the state on one side and a ferociously dangerous criminal element on the other.
Thank God that here in America Christianity has always been a potent force -- among whites and blacks. Thank God that this nation began with the right principles from the jump and, therefore, was well-prepared to integrate a formerly oppressed segment of its society into the general economic and political stream. Thank God that blacks have never outnumbered whites, that the pillars of American liberty and prosperity, the indispensable ideals and values of Western culture, have always been predominate. The latter circumstance is especially important as it served to maintain relative order -- enforced the rule of law -- during the most difficult and critical years of the decades-long struggle of assimilation. The woes that oppressive legacies breed would have been much worse here in America had it not been for these three factors.
The left is gradually losing it's grip over the heart's and mind's of black America, and this is particularly true about those who have been brought up right and therefore have been encouraged by their parents and their environments to respect themselves and the American dream.
Relatively speaking, America’s done alright for herself as this sort of legacy goes.
Warlady
09-01-2005, 02:47 PM
One question, Who on this board has been through a major hurricane?
I've been through quite a few of them. The eye of Chantal went right over my beach house. It was so quiet when it passed over us it was deafening if that makes any sense. Why do you ask?
Apollo5600
09-01-2005, 02:50 PM
I've been through quite a few of them. The eye of Chantal went right over my beach house. Why do you ask?
If MS wants to know what it's like, I can answer that question.
It's very windy and wet.
Tumblehome
09-01-2005, 02:54 PM
Tumble when you dont have a car, when you dont have any cash on hand what the heck do you do to get out?
But to make such a blanket statement of all the people who 'stayed' in that region as 'lazy' is a disgraceful thing to say and to bitch and whine bout their 'laziness' just isnt appropriate at this time in my honest opinion.
I agree with you. I just wasn't expecting that view here.
Tumblehome
09-01-2005, 02:56 PM
lol! I asked if Doom was capable of making a post without resort to insults etc, to which he responds
Every time you post, you prove just how far up your ass your head is shoved.
It constantly amazes me why a knuckle-dragging moron like you is tolerated here.
I'll take that as a "no".
Apollo5600
09-01-2005, 02:56 PM
I agree with you. I just wasn't expecting that view here.
What exactly were you expecting?
Venus de Smilo
09-01-2005, 03:01 PM
It's their culture, black "gangsta" culture you see in the rap videos and all the rest of that trash. There is a book out called "Black Rednecks" which talks about it, written by a blackman BTW.
The author is Dr. Thomas Sowell, one of my favorite scholars.
DoctorDoom
09-01-2005, 03:02 PM
I'll take that as a "no".Well, Lou, that's the way I deal with assholes who hate my country and my president.
Apollo5600
09-01-2005, 03:03 PM
The author is Dr. Thomas Sowell, one of my favorite scholars.
I couldn't remember his name, but I saw him on Hannity and Colmes so I knew what color he was. lol<!-- / message --><!-- sig -->
Venus de Smilo
09-01-2005, 03:05 PM
lol! I asked if Doom was capable of making a post without resort to insults etc, to which he responds
I'll take that as a "no".
That's the only intelligent thing I've ever seen you say.
Warlady
09-01-2005, 03:16 PM
And you're a friggin racist, to make such blanket statement about an entire people.
Why dontcha grow up for a change and realize not all blacks are looting lazy scumbag bastards who are animals.
THAT'S ENOUGH RINK. You made a similar statement on page one so don't be a hyprocrite. Venus is NOT A RACIST and you know it. You need to take a chill pill. The government isn't supposed to take care of people. Social Security was never meant to be a retirement income and we all know about your situation so you have no room to talk. Get a job and stop bitching. One minute you sound like a conservative the next a liberal when it comes to your check from the gubmint. You went too far calling Venus a racist.
Lazarus
09-01-2005, 03:25 PM
Group Hug!!! :hugs:
Venus de Smilo
09-01-2005, 03:26 PM
I dont think the nation as a whole yet realizes just how lawless New Orleans was BEFORE the storm... This disaster has just provided an opportunity for the criminals to operate openly with impunity...
One wonders how many other big cities in the US are not far behind... This whole situation should demonstrate to everyone just how easily this nation could be pushed into chaos and anarchy... Our culture has become brittle and weak, and it wouldnt take much to push the whole show over the edge...
I disagree. Most of the people in this country are self-sufficient and rise to the occasion to help those truly in need. Besides the desire, they also have the means and the know-how to do it. I do agree that the POPULAR culture encourages weakness, but there is a strong and vast underbelly that rises above that. I also think that weakness is found more in the big cities than it is the suburbs and rural areas. I've never thought our strength was in our cities.
Bluemoon_Rising
09-01-2005, 03:35 PM
Originally Posted by Lazarus
I don’t think the nation as a whole yet realizes just how lawless New Orleans was BEFORE the storm... This disaster has just provided an opportunity for the criminals to operate openly with impunity...
One wonders how many other big cities in the US are not far behind... This whole situation should demonstrate to everyone just how easily this nation could be pushed into chaos and anarchy... Our culture has become brittle and weak, and it wouldn’t take much to push the whole show over the edge...
Excellent observation, Laz, though I think it's a bit overstated.
Consider France today -- a slightly different take on the theme. Consider the soft criminality of legalized theft, i.e., entrenched socialism.
France's economy is in a real pickle: consider its staggering unemployment, the sort that would have the people of America thinking they were in the midst of a major depression, and its now decades-old period of stagnant growth. It can't possibly withstand much more piling on of collectivist policies.
Every attempt that’s been made in recent years to turn things around is immediately quashed by ferocious opposition from an immoderate segment of the population that is either partially or wholly dependent on the government's largesse. Moreover, it seems that France has an organized union attached to virtually every variety of goods and services the nation produces. The public sectored is unionized! Indeed, most of its economy is public now! Would-be reformers have been silenced or run out of office again and again.
Imagine things finally getting to the utter breaking point and the emergence of a strong and determined reformer, one that makes it to the prime ministry. There would be so many protest marches clogging the streets of France gnats would have to squeeze their way through the press of the bodies. Imagine that this reformer and, therefore, the governing party stand their ground and push through necessary reforms. Those marches would erupt into a torrent of mayhem not seen in France since the days of the Jaccobinians.
I don’t think America is anywhere near as brittle as that, but the repercussions all across Europe if France ever blows would eventually be felt here, and you can be certain that every leftist jack-o-bob in America would be doing his level best to stir up the same kind of madness here. It would all depend on just how serious things got in Europe.
Lazarus
09-01-2005, 03:35 PM
Ahh but Venus, all our big business headquarters are in the big cities... And if fuel becomes in short supply we're gonna see some serious widespread panic... We all talk about being self-sufficient but I've seen just exactly how quickly even the suburbs can be crippled by events like tornados...
I hope you're right, but I dont think most people are nearly as prepared for this kind of situation as you think they are... This fuel crisis is a very very dangerous situation... And Im hearing nothing but lip service from Washington... Im seeing no concrete action taking place to get any new refinery capacity built...
Maybe its more real to me because its in my back yard... I have a cousin stranded in Mobile... I see convoys of emergency vehicles heading south on our interstates everyday since the storm came thru... I see people panicking already and buying as much gasoline as they can...
Someone mentioned today that they heard Bush say that the South would be without gasoline for the next three weeks... Everyone here is lookin at each other and wondering was he talkin about just the Hurricane area or was he talkin about the whole region... If that happens we will be crippled... I dont know about any of yall, but I cant go for three weeks between a fillup... Who has three weeks of groceries at home?
See what I mean? It could happen just that fast...
I dont want to sound like one of those Y2K loonies but I think everyone needs to look at these pictures we're seeing on TV and put yourselves in that place... Are you prepared right now for the lights to go out for weeks or months at a time?
Federal Farmer
09-01-2005, 03:38 PM
When human nature is pushed to the brink, that's when you find what's inside. Those who are thugs were no doubt readily apparent before this disaster, they needed no extreme circumstances for their fruit to show itself as the rot that it is. Others needed only to be put in the right place and time for all to see what rotten fruit they would eventually bring forth in any case. These can die whether by disease or bullet.
There are always exceptions, those few whose case if we knew the whole truth we would say of it that it was truly tragic. For those we should pray that they somehow pull through the dire circumstances that surround them, made chaotically worse by others who do not deserve any sympathy.
Venus de Smilo
09-01-2005, 03:41 PM
Now the armed thugs have surrounded a hospital along with a huge mob. They're trying to break in to loot. So far, they're being held at bay.
There are also reports about them shooting at rescue workers, the police, Red Cross workers, everybody in positions to help, including the Nat'l Guard.
I haven't heard if they've got the airport open yet or not. Yesterday they said that they expected it to be open by tonight with manual runway lighting. They need to get that open and airlift the sick and elderly out, bring in more busses to get the rest of them out, and let the cops and the Nat'l Guard shoot the thugs. The NG is tightly constrained in their ROEs, but I don't think the cops have the same constraints.
Now there's also a problem with price-gouging.
Venus de Smilo
09-01-2005, 03:45 PM
When human nature is pushed to the brink, that's when you find what's inside. Those who are thugs were no doubt readily apparent before this disaster, they needed no extreme circumstances for their fruit to show itself as the rot that it is. Others needed only to be put in the right place and time for all to see what rotten fruit they would eventually bring forth in any case. These can die whether by disease or bullet.
There are always exceptions, those few whose case if we knew the whole truth we would say of it that it was truly tragic. For those we should pray that they somehow pull through the dire circumstances that surround them, made chaotically worse by others who do not deserve any sympathy.
Well said, FF, but now we're seeing those in need who previously weren't part of the thuggery joining behind the thugs in what's amounting to a riot at the hospitals and refugee centers. Perfectly healthy adults who may be experiencing some discomfort such as hunger and fatigue are getting behind the armed thugs now. Apparently they don't see the criminals as a problem or a detriment to their own progress toward survival and comfort.
Bluemoon_Rising
09-01-2005, 03:46 PM
When human nature is pushed to the brink, that's when you find what's inside. Those who are thugs were no doubt readily apparent before this disaster, they needed no extreme circumstances for their fruit to show itself as the rot that it is. Others needed only to be put in the right place and time for all to see what rotten fruit they would eventually bring forth in any case. These can die whether by disease or bullet.
There are always exceptions, those few whose case if we knew the whole truth we would say of it that it was truly tragic. For those we should pray that they somehow pull through the dire circumstances that surround them, made chaotically worse by others who do not deserve any sympathy.
Well said, Farmer! You can be sure that the rest of the folks who live in the neighborhoods now being looted are not surprised to see which persons are popping up in like photos and newsreels.
Shadow
09-01-2005, 03:46 PM
If I were a Democrat I'd be embarrassed too. You tell us not to judge political ideology on pictures alone and yet you do the very same thing. Sorry to burst your bubble but southern blacks do vote and they vote 90% Democrat so by the statistics alone 90% of those in the pictures are guess what? DEMOCRATS.
Nearly half of Blacks don't vote at all. So tell me, what half do you think poor blacks who tend to loot and commit crimes fall under? In all likelihood these folks don't vote and don't define themselves by any political affiliation; they are politically apathetic.
Politically active Blacks, whether Democrat or Republican, tend to be solid citizens. The social programs supported by politically conscious Blacks usually give them no personal benefit.
Shadow
09-01-2005, 03:54 PM
Rink, much of what you say is some of the most lame-assed justification I've ever read. It's disgusting. Your ongoing mantra about the government not shelling out enough to the lazy-assed recipients of our largesse is reprehensible.
If these people wanted more money in order to live better and be able to take care of themselves when disaster strikes, they'd do it. The resources are there. They're just too damned lazy to get educated and get a job. These people are like pets being kept - fed, sheltered and clothed - by the 'rat party plantation masters.
Sniper teams should be sent in to eradicate these bastards who are robbing, raping, firing on the choppers and threatening hospital and relief workers.
What's you opinion of the 80% of N.O. residents who left the city before the storm hit? The vast majority of them are Black you know. Or is giving black folks any credit simply not your style?
brilliantLiberal
09-01-2005, 03:57 PM
Their rationale is that whitey owes them, so they are just taking what is rightfully theirs IOT make up for 200 years of slavery and 150 years of racism.
Slavery existed in America for 78 years, from 1787 when the US Constitution took effect and America became a soverign government to 1865 when the 13th Amendment abolished slavery altogether. Prior to that, slavery existed in British colonies, on French soil, and on land belonging to to other nations. That has nothing to do with us.
No nation paid a higher price to rid itself of slavery. No nation has given so much to a people once enslaved. For how many years should America pay for something that existed in its agrarian regions for a mere 78 years?
I believe any such debt has long ago been paid in full. If you were never enslaved America owes you nothing. If you are free, you owe America everything.
Let's maintain the proper perspecitve, shall we?
THAT'S ENOUGH RINK. You made a similar statement on page one so don't be a hyprocrite. Venus is NOT A RACIST and you know it. You need to take a chill pill. The government isn't supposed to take care of people. Social Security was never meant to be a retirement income and we all know about your situation so you have no room to talk. Get a job and stop bitching. One minute you sound like a conservative the next a liberal when it comes to your check from the gubmint. You went too far calling Venus a racist.
So wishing a diseased pox upon the entire black populace and wishing they were never here in the US and wanting them shipped back to africa isnt 'racist'???
Hmmmmm ok.
from Venus to rephrase what she stated here that makes me think her statement is racist...
Originally from Venus de Smilo:
I submit that the armed looters (at least some of whom broke into gun stores and pawn shops to get the guns) deliberately stayed behind to loot and carjack. It was reported this afternoon that these parasitic slugs are breaking into homes of the more affluent who live on higher ground, holding them at gunpoint, filling the homeowners's cars with valuables, and then driving off with the car full of goods. There was also a situation Tuesday where these armed thugs opened fire on the police department. Cops have been shot in other incidents, including one officer who was shot in the head. Another armed looter walked up to an armed N'atl Guardsman and told him to lay down his weapon because he had no right to stop him from looting. There was footage of another looter who said, "It's our store now", in reference to the emptying of the Wal-Mart. Fifteen hundred police and search personnel have been redeployed from search and rescue tasks to work solely at stopping the looting and the shooting.
New Orleans is a war zone. Every single one of the looters that I saw was black. In fact, all but fewer than five of the people that I've seen in the endless footage on all channels, be it about looting or rescues, were black. There was footage of some slug trying to run with an armload of stolen merchandise while using his other hand to hold up his pants. I saw that more than once, but this guy's butt was hanging completely out with the waist of his pants hanging down around his thighs. I wonder if he thought to steal some suspenders. These people are uncivilized animals and they don't belong in this country. They're a bunch of savages and they belong back in the mud huts from whence they came and that their distant relatives still inhabit today. Slavery was a mistake, a big mistake, for more than the usually stated reason. I wish they'd never come here. They've emptied all the jewelry stores, sporting goods stores, clothing stores, pharmacies, electronics stores, carjacked, shot at people, robbed people at gunpoint and generally made the most disgusting spectacles of themselves beyond imagination.
The truly needy there who aren't looting, or aren't looting beyond a few necessities, had a chance to get out and didn't do it. I hope they're rescued if they're elderly or disabled, babies, etc., but the rest are just lazy fools, and I couldn't care less if they all drop dead tonight. Maybe a nice cleansing of the gene pool by shit-filled water is just what is needed. They look like a bunch of idiots wandering around in the filthy water while they steal. I particularly despise these big, fat mamas who stand there screeching demands in indignant anger that THEY be sent help immediately. All they have to do is walk to the shelter to get water, food, and a ride out of town, but they're too fat and lazy to do it just like they were too fat and lazy to get out before the storm hit. The entitlement mentality forged by LBJ is alive and well in these "refugees".
I'm about as disgusted as I can be with these people, and I'm ashamed that they're Americans. Correction - make that African-Americans. This is the first time I've agreed that that hyphenation really is accurate. Absolute primitive savages. I'd be as embarrassed as hell to be an upstanding black person amidst how my "community" is behaving. As for being 'rats, I doubt that they're embarrassed. After the tire-slashing and the shooting at 'pub headquarters last election, the behavior we're seeing is staus quo for 'rats.
I can not fully put words to how disgusted I am.
If You cant see the overt blatant wish for an entire people to just dry up and die I dunno what to tell ya then.
I dont feel this is an appropriate statement to be had on the FC at this time, as many are walking to shelters and many do NOT have cars or money or means to get out, this isnt a cut and dry situation where we can afford to lay on the entirety blanket statements such as this. (in bold)
Federal Farmer
09-01-2005, 04:05 PM
Well said, FF, but now we're seeing those in need who previously weren't part of the thuggery joining behind the thugs in what's amounting to a riot at the hospitals and refugee centers. Perfectly healthy adults who may be experiencing some discomfort such as hunger and fatigue are getting behind the armed thugs now. Apparently they don't see the criminals as a problem or a detriment to their own progress toward survival and comfort.
I guess then Venus those falling in with the thugs would be in our second category in my first paragraph. I wonder if anyone will study comparatively the human behavior involved in this tragedy and that of the tsunami tragedy.
Incident_command
09-01-2005, 04:06 PM
One question, Who on this board has been through a major hurricane?
I've been through two major and about 4-5 minor.
You can't compare a minor " cat1-2 " to a major " cat 4-5 "
I went through a cat 5 in Andrew back in 92 and a cat 4 in Central America a year or two later.The wind noise alone is deafening.
Now a cat 1 I've actually surfed in so that oughta tell you how bad they are. Or what an idiot I can be. Point is there is no comparison.
Federal Farmer
09-01-2005, 04:12 PM
Well said, Farmer! You can be sure that the rest of the folks who live in the neighborhoods now being looted are not surprised to see which persons are popping up in like photos and newsreels.
Yeah, they're saying, "Always knew that one was no good. Devil's son from the womb."
SmellyFed
09-01-2005, 04:23 PM
Definately some more candidates for forced extinction mentioned below.
4:15 P.M. - (AP): Police say storm victims are being raped and beaten inside the New Orleans Convention Center.
About 15,200 people who had taken shelter at the convention center to await buses grew increasingly hostile.
Police Chief Eddie Compass says he sent in 88 officers to quell the situation at the building, but they were quickly beaten back by an angry mob.
Compass says, "We have individuals who are getting raped, we have individuals who are getting beaten."
He says tourists are walking in that direction and they are getting preyed upon.
In hopes of defusing the unrest at the convention center, Mayor Ray Nagin gave the refugees permission to march across a bridge to the city's unflooded west bank for whatever relief they can find. But the bedlam appeared to make leaving difficult.
http://www.wwltv.com/local/stories/WWLBLOG.ac3fcea.html
Shadow
09-01-2005, 04:25 PM
Who the hell's fault is that? If they don't have enough means to scrape together $20 or $30 for gas or a bus ticket, it's their own fault. Besides, I don't buy it. They stayed because they didn't want to use their own money to get out, and others stayed specifically to loot and rob. If they didn't have the money and were waiting for thier next government check, that's also their fault. Maybe buying less booze, cigarettes and video rentals would have made the difference.
The resources are schools, jobs programs, volunteer programs, employment agencies, grants, scholarships, loans, on and on. But they all have an excuse not to use them.
The old folks stuck in their apartments are able to live on their own, right? Why didn't their family members get them out? There may be a small handful who don't have family, but most do. Most have lived there all their lives and have roots and family there. Their adult kids and grandkids should have helped them get out. But that's the government's responsibility, right?
Being poor doesn't mean you're not responsible for yourself and your family. It doesn't make you automatically dependent. As for the race issue, the fact that they're about 95% black speaks volumes. They've shown that they don't have what it takes to be Americans of independence and self-reliance, and we've never seen a better example of how they make their own situations worse because of attitude, laziness and lack of pride. The entire attitude on display here is that they're owed being taken care of and gawdammit, "somebody" better snap to and take care of my ass RIGHT NOW! Hell, there've been reports about diabetics who didn't even bother to bring enough insulin with them. They have no problem going into stores to carry out armloads of stuff, but they couldn't be bothered to grab a couple of vials of insulin to take with them from home. They cannot conduct themselves in an orderly way and help the helpers by letting the truly ill or needy go first, help hand out water, serve food, clean up after themselves, comfort the bereaved, use the supplies sparingly and generally conduct themselves in an intelligent, civilized manner.
I think a lot of them decided to stay because it was easier than taking the initiative to care for their own health and safety, so they just ignored the evacuation directives. As in any population, only a few are truly unable to care for themselves to some extent. The rest are just soft, dumb and weak.
I have always tried to be civil and respectful on these boards. I don't curse, I don't call names. I try to respect opinions. But I'm sorry, you disgust me.
I have familiy trapped in NO right now and I don't if they are dead or alive. Some didn't leave because they didn't want to abandon their homes. They thought they could ride it through. My sister-in-law volunteered to stay with the dormitory students who couldn't leave the campus where she worked. My mother-in-law is trapped in her 95 year old mother's rest home because the sceduled evacuation of the rest home fell through for some unknown reason. I'm dealing with a wife who is sick with worry along with a houseful of family who I have given refuge to, and all you can do is declare most of the people left behind as soft, dumb, and weak.
Why arent these violent hooligans getting shot dead????
where's the 'shoot-to-kill' Orders???
Its like the authorities are turning a blind eye to this wanton violence and chaos.
This needs to stop and the only language these thugs know is the language of violence.
Shoot the Bastards dammit and quit worrying bout the PC reprecussions!!!
Bluemoon_Rising
09-01-2005, 04:27 PM
I disagree. Most of the people in this country are self-sufficient and rise to the occasion to help those truly in need. Besides the desire, they also have the means and the know-how to do it. I do agree that the POPULAR culture encourages weakness, but there is a strong and vast underbelly that rises above that. I also think that weakness is found more in the big cities than it is the suburbs and rural areas. I've never thought our strength was in our cities.
This post is producing some good stuff, reflecting the very sort of spirit you're talking about. I acknowledged Laz's smartly written post, important and mostly right with respect to the central theme, but I mostly agree with your view when it comes to America.
Let's all consider something for a moment. This is at least our third season in a row into a cyclical pattern of unusually heavy hurricane activity, with Florida taking most of the hits. Because much of the most populated portion of the state is below sea level, Louisiana is especially vulnerable in the face of big ones like this.
Now what have we seen in these last many months? Looting? Widespread panic? Rioting mobs?
No. This is the first time we've seen anything even close to that kind of behavior. As the storm approached the very last thing on my mind was the threat of criminality or mindless hysteria.
Louisiana has a very large black and improvised population as compared to the rest of the country. What we have here is one of those isolated pockets of unusually concentrated cultural and societal tendencies that are very rare in most of the rest of the country coupled with an especially egregious disaster.
Most of America, and that includes black America, comprise the sturdiest people on the face of the earth.
Consider the nation's general response to 9/11, after decades of suffering the lefts’ repugnant and debilitating influence.
Not bad too bad at all.
Venus de Smilo
09-01-2005, 04:32 PM
Ahh but Venus, all our big business headquarters are in the big cities... And if fuel becomes in short supply we're gonna see some serious widespread panic... We all talk about being self-sufficient but I've seen just exactly how quickly even the suburbs can be crippled by events like tornados...
I hope you're right, but I dont think most people are nearly as prepared for this kind of situation as you think they are... This fuel crisis is a very very dangerous situation... And Im hearing nothing but lip service from Washington... Im seeing no concrete action taking place to get any new refinery capacity built...
Maybe its more real to me because its in my back yard... I have a cousin stranded in Mobile... I see convoys of emergency vehicles heading south on our interstates everyday since the storm came thru... I see people panicking already and buying as much gasoline as they can...
Someone mentioned today that they heard Bush say that the South would be without gasoline for the next three weeks... Everyone here is lookin at each other and wondering was he talkin about just the Hurricane area or was he talkin about the whole region... If that happens we will be crippled... I dont know about any of yall, but I cant go for three weeks between a fillup... Who has three weeks of groceries at home?
See what I mean? It could happen just that fast...
I dont want to sound like one of those Y2K loonies but I think everyone needs to look at these pictures we're seeing on TV and put yourselves in that place... Are you prepared right now for the lights to go out for weeks or months at a time?
It seems to me that you're discussing something different than we were just before. I was talking about the propensity to remain civilized and conduct oneself honorably by not committing crimes and by reaching out to help your neighbor or where you can and innovatively using what you have at your disposal to improve your own situation instead of standing around waiting for somebody to do it for you.
We live on a flat spot on a hill. We probably have three months worth of food and water stored, plenty of firewood, shortwave radio, extra batteries including for cell phones, a large diesel generator fed by a pump on a 500 gal. fuel supply, so the answer is yes, we're prepared. We have guns, ammo, a "safe" room for valuables, 2 4WD vehicles, a boat, a large enclosed trailer and another 480 gal. tank for vehicle fuel. Most of my family living in other parts of the state are similarly equipped, as are our neighbors, the nearest of which is about 1/3 mile away. If things were to get so bad we couldn't survive, we'd just drive off, armed, with our valuables.
As for the lack of fuel, it's mainly a refining problem, and I lay that at the door of the environazi 'rats and the failure of 'pubs to thwart their vast successes in placing this country at their mercy. Hopefully one good thing that will come from this disaster is the country's willingness to shun the environazi nutburgers and start building some refineries.
Shadow
09-01-2005, 04:34 PM
If You cant see the overt blatant wish for an entire people to just dry up and die I dunno what to tell ya then.
:claps:
Bluemoon_Rising
09-01-2005, 04:34 PM
I have always tried to be civil and respectful on these boards. I don't curse, I don't call names. I try to respect opinions. But I'm sorry, you disgust me.
I have familiy trapped in NO right now and I don't know if they are dead or alive. Some didn't leave because they didn't want to abandon their homes. They thought they could ride it through. My sister-in-law volunteered to stay with the dormitory students who couldn't leave the campus where she worked. My mother-in-law is trapped in her 95 year old mother's rest home because the sceduled evacuation of the rest home fell through for some unknown reason. I'm dealing with a wife who is sick with worry along with a houseful of family who I have given refuge to, and all you can do is declare most of the people left behind as soft, dumb, and weak.
And well, yes, this topic has also inspired some rather disappointing stuff as well. It's not racism though, just a lapse in sensitivity.
Amen to that, and God bless ya Shadow, may God help your family get through these trying times.
Venus de Smilo
09-01-2005, 04:37 PM
This post is producing some good stuff, reflecting the very sort of spirit you're talking about. I acknowledged Laz's smartly written post, important and mostly right with respect to the central theme, but I mostly agree with your view when it comes to America.
Let's all consider something for a moment. This is at least our third season in a row into a cyclical pattern of unusually heavy hurricane activity, with Florida taking most of the hits. Because much of the most populated portion of the state is below sea level, Louisiana is especially vulnerable in the face of big ones like this.
Now what have we seen in these last many months? Looting? Widespread panic? Rioting mobs?
No. This is the first time we've seen anything even close to that kind of behavior. As the storm approached the very last thing on my mind was the threat of criminality or mindless hysteria.
Louisiana has a very large black and improvised population as compared to the rest of the country. What we have here is one of those isolated pockets of unusually concentrated cultural and societal tendencies that are very rare in most of the rest of the country coupled with an especially egregious disaster.
Most of America, along with most of black America, comprise the sturdiest people on the face of the earth.
Consider the nation's general response to 9/11, after decades of suffering the lefts’ repugnant and debilitating influence.
Not bad too bad at all.
I did consider the comparison between the behavior of Floridians versus the New Orleaneans. It's like night and day. What we're seeing reminds me of Mogadishu.
I agree with the rest of what you say, except I don't think NO is quite as unique in its socio-economic and cultural make-up as you state. I doubt that Detroit and a few other cities would be much different.
Venus de Smilo
09-01-2005, 04:40 PM
And well, yes, this topic has also inspired some rather disappointing stuff as well. It's not racism though, just a lapse sensitivity.
Lapse in sensitivity? You yourself just stated that the crime and rioting going on in NO are a result of the heavy concentration of blacks with a cultural and socio-economic difference from the rest of the country. Which is it, Blue? Insensitivity or the truth about an anomaly?
Wyatt_Junker
09-01-2005, 04:40 PM
Its not really a hurricane problem at all. Katrina is just the bitch that exposed the failed piss poor public infrastructure and the levees made of tiny foam bean bag filler beads. You could have hurricanes all day long and it would be just like Warlady said, a pretty sweet sound, just passing over. But throw in a few million double-wides into that equation, the people who use plastic blue tarp year round as their official car port... well, it spells disaster. Don't blame Katrina. She's just doing her job. Blame man, for he is the least common denominator when the shit hits the fan. And, in this case, it was a mighty big fan.
Bluemoon_Rising
09-01-2005, 04:49 PM
I did consider the comparison between the behavior of Floridians versus the New Orleaneans. It's like night and day. What we're seeing reminds me of Mogadishu.
I agree with the rest of what you say, except I don't think NO is quite as unique in its socio-economic and cultural make-up as you state. I doubt that Detroit and a few other cities would be much different.
As I said, there are other pockets of poverty and resentment in this nation.
Federal Farmer
09-01-2005, 04:50 PM
I'm watching ABCs' World News Tonight and the first fifteen minutes have been edited primarily to blame the federal government and Bush in particular for a poor response to this disaster. I'm sorry but the first help that can occur is local, always. And if the locals are shooting at rescue helicopters and police trying to come in to help then it's up to other locals to take the scumbags down so the help can come into a safe environment. They are there to HELP, not to die themselves.
As I've said previously there are exceptions and I've little doubt there's more local help going on than anyone will see in this slanted broadcast.
Incident_command
09-01-2005, 04:50 PM
I did consider the comparison between the behavior of Floridians versus the New Orleaneans. It's like night and day.
Not if you go back to Andrew. They looted the hell out of neighborhoods. They even took M16's from the national guardsmen once they found out they had no ammo.They took us off search and rescue in a few areas because of it.
It was pretty bad.
The last one wasn't anything to talk about. No damage except for minor flooding.
Venus de Smilo
09-01-2005, 04:51 PM
I have always tried to be civil and respectful on these boards. I don't curse, I don't call names. I try to respect opinions. But I'm sorry, you disgust me.
I have familiy trapped in NO right now and I don't if they are dead or alive. Some didn't leave because they didn't want to abandon their homes. They thought they could ride it through. My sister-in-law volunteered to stay with the dormitory students who couldn't leave the campus where she worked. My mother-in-law is trapped in her 95 year old mother's rest home because the sceduled evacuation of the rest home fell through for some unknown reason. I'm dealing with a wife who is sick with worry along with a houseful of family who I have given refuge to, and all you can do is declare most of the people left behind as soft, dumb, and weak.
If your family is trapped and your wife is worried sick, what are you doing posting on a forum of strangers? I'm not sure I even believe you. Why aren't you on the phone trying to get information or on your way to a place where you can connect with them? Why aren't you organizing a forum to connect with the Red Cross and other entities there trying to get a roll of the people who are in shelters?
If your family members decided to stay instead of listening to the advice of professionals who told them to leave, I am sorry, but they should have left. I hope they're alive and, in any case, if you don't like what I say or find it disgusting or insensitive, I suggest you stop reading it. The people I said were soft, dumb and weak are those who are able-bodied, healthy and complaining about not getting helped fast enough to suit them when there are elderly, sick and disabled who are much more needy of immediate help than they are, so quit misstating what I said.
Now, if you think what we're seeing in NO is representative of rugged American individualism and self-sufficiency, then you disgust me, too.
Wyatt_Junker
09-01-2005, 04:51 PM
I've never lived through hurry canes. I have lived through riots, major storms, mudslides, earthquakes and fires. None of them measure up to fights with my wife. I'm serious. I've never been a macro kind of guy. Its all about the micro for me.
Even when the fires torched right through Malibu, flames all around me, I was mystified at all the weak people. Yes, that's right. I said it. Weak people, running around screaming. Soft people who lacked faith in their God or probably never believed the words that came out of their worship songs. I'm not a tough guy either. There's just nothing to freak about when the shit's going down. Death isn't frightening. In fact, I think its kinda fun.
And when the fires ripped up our hill and splashed all over the canyons like the 3rd level of Hell, I rejoiced in my God, I praised Him for the ocean that was at my feet and I could... calmly... meander down there to her blue arms, mother nature herself and just chill out while I watched the screaming dumbfux run around. What's to fear when FEMA is near?
And most of the Malibu 'victims' who had tears streaming down their cheeks were elated when those checks came in and they could build the mansion they always wanted mixed in equal part with the equity they earned. Tragedy is always immediate and emotional, but mostly folks aren't affected by it long term. Things happen. Time moves on.
The mudslides in Malibu were worse than the fires which robbed the topsoil of its root cover. All that mud boring down the hills and cliffs like God went to Starbucks and they topped off his mocha. Now it was spilling out the brim.
I'm with Venus. Mankind is in many ways a cowardly POS. And lazy. He thinks that things will never change. But God always, thankfully, reminds us of our own pathetic weakness. This is what family is for and if there is no family, then the church. If you only have the govt. to play the blues for ya, then tough shit. You didn't invest enough in humanity while you had the chance.
Apollo5600
09-01-2005, 04:59 PM
Politically active Blacks, whether Democrat or Republican, tend to be solid citizens.
Republicans are pretty solid citizens, but what about Jesse Jackson?
I've been through quite a few of them. The eye of Chantal went right over my beach house. It was so quiet when it passed over us it was deafening if that makes any sense. Why do you ask?
Becuase people have been spouting off things at times they have no knowledge about. I'm glad to see you made it ok but I'm takling about a major storm. I was there for Andrew.
Venus de Smilo
09-01-2005, 05:09 PM
I did consider the comparison between the behavior of Floridians versus the New Orleaneans. It's like night and day.
Not if you go back to Andrew. They looted the hell out of neighborhoods. They even took M16's from the national guardsmen once they found out they had no ammo.They took us off search and rescue in a few areas because of it.
It was pretty bad.
The last one wasn't anything to talk about. No damage except for minor flooding.
Was it anything on the level we're seeing in NO, or more like what's going on in Mobile? Were there rapes, murders, shootings, widescale robbery of people at gunpoint inside their homes? Shooting at helicopters? Large-scale assaults on the police headquarters? Surrounding hospitals with AK-47s, backed up by mobs, and threatening the workers? En masse carjackings? Shooting at each other INSIDE the shelters? Setting fires? Shooting at the rescue workers?
Just curious.
If you're family is trapped and your wife is worried sick, what are you doing posting on a forum of strangers? I'm not sure I even believe you. Why aren't you on the phone trying to get information or on your way to a place where you can connect with them? Why aren't you organizing a forum to connect with the Red Cross and other entities there trying to get a roll of the people who are in shelters?
If your family members decided to stay instead of listening to the advice of professionals who told them to leave, I am sorry, but they should have left. I hope they're alive and, in any case, if you don't like what I say or find it disgusting or insensitive, I suggest you stop reading it. The people I said were soft, dumb and weak are those who are able-bodied, healthy and complaining about not getting helped fast enough to suit them when there are elderly, sick and disabled who are much more needy of immediate help than they are, so quit misstating what I said.
Now, if you think what we're seeing in NO is representative of rugged American individualism and self-sufficiency, then you disgust me, too.
That was absolutely uncalled for Venus
You cant even pray his family members are alive.
How insensitive!!! :flame:
Venus de Smilo
09-01-2005, 05:12 PM
I'm watching ABCs' World News Tonight and the first fifteen minutes have been edited primarily to blame the federal government and Bush in particular for a poor response to this disaster. I'm sorry but the first help that can occur is local, always. And if the locals are shooting at rescue helicopters and police trying to come in to help then it's up to other locals to take the scumbags down so the help can come into a safe environment. They are there to HELP, not to die themselves.
As I've said previously there are exceptions and I've little doubt there's more local help going on than anyone will see in this slanted broadcast.
Did ABC report ANYTHING about the way these people are behaving? The rapes, the armed robberies, the shooting at each other inside the shelters? The shooting at the choppers and rescue workers? Trying to take ov