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oracle
02-02-2003, 01:24 PM
The Space Shuttle Must Be Stopped (http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,1101030210-418518,00.html)
It's costly, outmoded, impractical and, as we've learned again, deadly
By GREGG EASTERBROOK

<font size=1>Sunday, Feb. 02, 2003</font>
A spacecraft is a metaphor of national inspiration: majestic, technologically advanced, produced at dear cost and entrusted with precious cargo, rising above the constraints of the earth. The spacecraft carries our secret hope that there is something better out there--a world where we may someday go and leave the sorrows of the past behind. The spacecraft rises toward the heavens exactly as, in our finest moments as a nation, our hearts have risen toward justice and principle. And when, for no clear reason, the vessel crumbles, as it did in 1986 with Challenger and last week with Columbia, we falsely think the promise of America goes with it.

Unfortunately, the core problem that lay at the heart of the Challenger tragedy applies to the Columbia tragedy as well. That core problem is the space shuttle itself. For 20 years, the American space program has been wedded to a space-shuttle system that is too expensive, too risky, too big for most of the ways it is used, with budgets that suck up funds that could be invested in a modern system that would make space flight cheaper and safer. The space shuttle is impressive in technical terms, but in financial terms and safety terms no project has done more harm to space exploration. With hundreds of launches to date, the American and Russian manned space programs have suffered just three fatal losses in flight--and two were space-shuttle calamities. This simply must be the end of the program.

Will the much more expensive effort to build a manned International Space Station end too? In cost and justification, it's as dubious as the shuttle. The two programs are each other's mirror images. The space station was conceived mainly to give the shuttle a destination, and the shuttle has been kept flying mainly to keep the space station serviced. Three crew members--Expedition Six, in NASA argot--remain aloft on the space station. Probably a Russian rocket will need to go up to bring them home. The wisdom of replacing them seems dubious at best. This second shuttle loss means NASA must be completely restructured--if not abolished and replaced with a new agency with a new mission.

Why did NASA stick with the space shuttle so long? Though the space shuttle is viewed as futuristic, its design is three decades old. The shuttle's main engines, first tested in the late 1970s, use hundreds more moving parts than do new rocket-motor designs. The fragile heat-dissipating tiles were designed before breakthroughs in materials science. Until recently, the flight-deck computers on the space shuttle used old 8086 chips from the early 1980s, the sort of pre-Pentium electronics no self-respecting teenager would dream of using for a video game.

Most important, the space shuttle was designed under the highly unrealistic assumption that the fleet would fly to space once a week and that each shuttle would need to be big enough to carry 50,000 lbs. of payload. In actual use, the shuttle fleet has averaged five flights a year; this year flights were to be cut back to four. The maximum payload is almost never carried. Yet to accommodate the highly unrealistic initial goals, engineers made the shuttle huge and expensive. The Soviet space program also built a shuttle, called Buran, with almost exactly the same dimensions and capacities as its American counterpart. Buran flew to orbit once and was canceled, as it was ridiculously expensive and impractical.

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Warlady
02-02-2003, 01:30 PM
That didn't take long.

aresian
02-02-2003, 02:59 PM
Actually Easterbrook is right. The shuttle needs to be retired not because of Columbia, but because it is a bad system. It is time to come up with a new system that can put humans and cargo into orbit cheaper. The Saturn V of the Apollo era put cargo into space at $3653/kg and manned (Apollo) at $9170/kg. The shuttle was supposed to see significant savings in cost and currently costs $8909/kg for all cargo. (And that number is for a fully loaded shuttle which almost never happens. The real cost is over $10,000/kg.)

The shuttle system should have been shut down years ago. It's time for a grand vision for human occupation of space. And the shuttle is not part of that vision.

**DONOTDELETE**
02-02-2003, 03:07 PM
I agree that we need to have more and better technology used in the space program. But I believe that people have to run the International Space Station so only using unmanned spacecraft won't work for that. But we do need to send more unmanned craft to explore farther out in space. Plus, we really should be trying to make a base on the moon. We haven't really gotten as far as I hoped in our Space program.

DoctorDoom
02-02-2003, 03:40 PM
It's probably time to phase out the shuttles, which are of the same era as the Boeing 727s. The technology is in fact obsolete. But, replacing them is unlikely because quite bluntly, America has lost its balls. Space, the final frontier, will not see a significant human presence until the nation regains the spirit that put man on the moon. I can't see it returning for years if not decades.

**DONOTDELETE**
02-02-2003, 03:57 PM
I think it will return. If NASA and supporters of the Space program would be more active in the media. They need to work on more ideas that will appeal to people. Just sending shuttles up all the time without any space exploration will not keep people's attention. We need to get more competitive.

Beowulf
02-02-2003, 11:25 PM
I disagree. Shuttles cost enough as is. With proper maintenance, they should be just fine.

The Boeing 727 came out in the late 1960's and too this day is a fine airplane. I know, I work on them amongst the many planes I see for the airline I work for. Old yes but also very reliable.

What would help the shuttle program is if the FAA stepped in and mandated shuttle maintenance. The quality would be that much better. We still have much to learn in space. Without the shuttle, I don't think it would be possible. To delay space launches for a long period would only put us further behind.

**DONOTDELETE**
02-03-2003, 02:29 AM
We need to go further in space than we have. We really haven't gotten as far as we could.

dajoga
02-03-2003, 08:52 AM
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We need to go further in space than we have. We really haven't gotten as far as we could.

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Sorry to play the devil's advocate here, SG, but why should we go further in space? 34 years ago we landed on the moon. But what did we gain other than bragging rights? I just don't see space travel becoming economically feasible. I find it kind of ironic that conservatives are always assailing big government but are in favor of billions of fed funding for space exploration. Where in the constitution do we find that? I'm all in favor of space exploration, but get the government out of it and let private enterprise do it. The only federal spending in the space program should be for the sake of national defense.

Warlady
02-03-2003, 08:54 AM
NASA and the military are two of the most successful government programs we have. NASA has done much toward self defense. GPS and spy satellites come to mind.

dajoga
02-03-2003, 09:07 AM
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NASA and the military are two of the most successful government programs we have. NASA has done much toward self defense. GPS and spy satellites come to mind.

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Hmmm...WL, somehow we seem to be miscommunicating--too early in the morning maybe, but I agree with you here--so I'm not quite sure why you thought I wasn't?

Warlady
02-03-2003, 09:15 AM
Space exploration=missile defense/Star Wars. I don't see how you can be against space exploration. Maybe I'm misundstanding what you're getting at.

**DONOTDELETE**
02-03-2003, 09:36 AM
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Warlady said:
Space exploration=missile defense/Star Wars. I don't see how you can be against space exploration. Maybe I'm misundstanding what you're getting at.

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Space exploration is crucial. They test cures for diseases as well in space. Also to improve our technology.

If we stop, they died for nothing. Keep them alive by keeping their work alive. That goes for every brave human who has died in the risky but neccessary journey into space exploration.
Those crewmembers knoew and understood that they faced nightmares such as being trapped in space, shuttle explosion ect. Yet they continued on.
Their sacrifices will lead us into greatness.
No more funding lowlifes, fund NASA!

The_Sonarman
02-03-2003, 09:57 AM
Mars Mission