I am ashamed of America's Past

[BarkleUSA]

As an American, we have much to be ashamed of in our past.

I am ashamed that 79,000 Americans made the ultimate sacrifice for Texas independence from Mexico – and now the Mexicans are taking over Texas and our southwest without a shot fired because we as a nation no longer have the will to protect our sovereign borders from invasion.

I am ashamed that 618,000 Americans made the ultimate sacrifice to settle the slavery issue and that now, 140 years later, the ancestors of those emancipated call for reparations as if we had not already paid in full, in blood.

I am ashamed that 406,000 Americans made the ultimate sacrifice to liberate a continent from a genocidal tyrant, asking only for enough space to burry our dead – and are now viewed with contempt and labeled as imperialist by that same ungrateful continent.

I am ashamed that we paid reparations to the American-Japanese citizens for their internment during WWII – but that Japan has yet to pay reparations for killing 3,435 Americans at Pearl Harbor.

I am ashamed that we spent 20 billion under the Marshall Plan beginning in 1947 to completely rebuild Europe – without one penny of repayment or even so much as a thank you to the US taxpayers that footed the bill.

I am ashamed that 54,000 Americans made the ultimate sacrifice to drive back a communist invasion of South Korea and another 40 years protecting their border – where today the MTV generation of South Koreans protests the US, burns our flag and spits on our soldiers.

I am ashamed that 151 Cuban nationals trained in the US to liberate Cuba from communism were left to be slaughtered because our Commander In Chief called off air protection hours before the freedom fighters stormed the beach.

I am ashamed that 58,000 American’s ultimate sacrifice to protect South Vietnam from communist invasion from the north was undermined and derided by treasonous anti-American activities of Walter Cronkite, Jane Fonda, John Kerry and others pro-communist traitors. I am ashamed that these traitors to their country were not tried for treason and executed.

I am ashamed that we let stand images of 66 US hostages and daily US Flag burnings on television for 444 days. I am ashamed that our Commander In Chief micromanaged a rescue force guaranteed too small to get the job done wasting 26 good men in the desert sands of Iran. I am ashamed that we did not crush the first fundamentalist Islamic revolution of modern times which today threatens to produce nuclear weapons.

I am ashamed that 80 civilian men, women and children were burned to death by our misguided government in Waco for the “crimes” of firearm possession and practicing religion – both protected under our Constitution.

I am ashamed that a young Cuban mother died of dehydration in a makeshift rubber boat hoping to give her child Elian a life of freedom in America – only to have our Justice Department return the child to Fidel’s communist island prison.

I am ashamed that after the first WTC attack, we did nothing except prosecute the horrendous deed like a common crime instead of what it unambiguously was - A declaration of war by a foreign enemy.

I am ashamed that after terrorists bombed two US Embassies in Africa, there was no response.

I am ashamed that 3 days after 18 marines in a mission to deliver humanitarian aid to starving Somalia civilians were killed in an Al Qaeda backed ambush that our Commander In Chief cut and run.

I am ashamed that after 17 sailors were blown to bits in the USS Cole attack, there was no response – until the next administration.

I am ashamed that we dishonor our Native American brothers by removing their proud names from our sports teams.

I am ashamed that we dishonor our God and creator by removing His Commandments from our pledge, our courtrooms and public square.

I am ashamed of our institutions of higher learning, that grant a perfect SAT score to those of one skin color in admissions policy to the discrimination and detriment to those of another.

I am ashamed to live in a nation that has permitted 32,000,000 unborn babies to be aborted as a policy of “choice”.

I am ashamed to live in a country that institutionalizes an incentive to having babies out of wed-lock while punishing married moms by removing aid.

I am ashamed that our Supreme Court has violated the rights of property ownership by permitting potential tax receipts to trump homeowner’s rights.

…I could go on and on, but as a conservative, our fight must be to end the shame in America. Liberalism is the cause of our shame; Conservatism is the cure.

[Wolfcounsel]

It's past time we stood up, removed our thumbs from our asses, and took back our country from the elitist liberal assholes controlling it.

[Logic]

Holy poo, you're really ashamed!

[Warlady]

BarkleUSA this has to be one of the best posts I have ever read anywhere.

[PatrioticAmerican]

Barkle, that would make a great tee-shirt:

Conservatism is the Cure.

[DoctorDoom]

BarkleUSA, I hereby extend a belated welcome to FC. That's a masterpiece!

[Longhorn_Platinum]

:smirky: I'm no longer a member of any liberal BBs, but if BarkleUSA gives permission, & somebody else would post this at one, & link to it here, I'd love to see the responses of the lefties.

[Logic]

His avatar is interesting. Satan, Hitler, Osama, then out of nowhere, The Beatles and a DNA strand.

[Elgalad]

Outstanding post!

And welcome to Free Conservatives as well! (from another newbie) :grin:


-Elgalad

[PrezLeefun]

Welcome to the FC- wow what a post!

[Etaoin]

Misinterpreting the intent of the thread title, I linked prepared to pounce...Then only to find that I share your shame.

Great Post and a Hearty welcome!

[BarkleUSA]

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His avatar is interesting. Satan, Hitler, Osama, then out of nowhere, The Beatles and a DNA strand.

I'm afraid there is no Satan in my avatar, less you attribute the triumvirate images of Hitler, Stalin and Chairman Mao as Satan; in which circumstance I might wholeheartedly agree with your assessment. More to the point, “Thinking Man” contemplates all aspects of controversy from Woodstock to Monica, from OJ to Joan Benettt, from B-52’s bombing SE Asia to cross burnings in Mississippi; from the Strategic Defense Initiative to the Twin Towers… it’s all in there for all to see in their mind’s eye.

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BarkleUSA this has to be one of the best posts I have ever read anywhere.

I am humbled by your accolade in as much as I have merely chronicled the truth for all to see – that you find this truth compelling is more evident your acumen then my pedestrian chronicling of events. I fully intend to contribute to the conservative cause as best I am able as this is America’s cause – and we cannot forsake what is clearly under attack, less we accept the mediocrity and myopic vision of those we despise.

[dPrasse]

It's past time we stood up, removed our thumbs from our asses, and took back our country from the elitist liberal assholes controlling it.

Here Here !

Great post , too , Barkle :D

[DoctorDoom]

Brer Barkle, you have a vituoso command of English. I submit that your unceremonious ejection from the three lib sewers was due in large part to the inability of their habitues to understand words of more than two syllables, thus requiring them to look up the words or have their tutors explain them.

[S-T]

There are things to be ashamed of in American history, but I am most ashamed of the years between January 20, 1993 to January 20, 2001.

[Lestat]

Welcome to the forums, nice post!

[Conserv_Atticus]

That post was beautiful and pure genius!

[Warlady]

BarkleUSA, it is I who am humbled. Welcome to FC and I can only hope you make our little corner of the Conservative world your home. Please pull up a chair and get comfortable. I am sure looking forward to reading more of your genius.

[Teenager]

:smirky: I'm no longer a member of any liberal BBs, but if BarkleUSA gives permission, & somebody else would post this at one, & link to it here, I'd love to see the responses of the lefties.


BarkleUSA, nice post! :clap::claps:

I am a member at several numerous liberal forums. May I have permission to quote you?

[ErikTheRed]

Here, here! Great post, Barkle!

[HomeschoolrsRUs]

Barkle, I too would like to extend a (belated) welcome to our fine Conservative establishment. (Sorry, been absent a bit due to severe migraines) I thoroughly enjoyed your post! Quite insightful (I find myself a bit jealous, wish I'd have written that one!) I certainly look forward to reading more of your posts . . .

Welcome aboard, and
Many blessings,
Hms

[Jersey McJones]

Horrifying.

[DesertFox]

Good post, Barkle.

[Joe Spout]

All I can say is "Damn!". This has been one of the best things I have read in a very long time. Bravo.

[Melz]

Horrifying.

What did you find horrifying about it? Please elaborate.

I find it to be an honest approach to the reprehensible behaviour of many Americans.

[Jersey McJones]

I'm a liberal. Here's my take on this:

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I am ashamed that 79,000 Americans made the ultimate sacrifice for ffice:smarttags" /><?xml:namespace prefix = st1 ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com /><st1:State w:st=Texas</st1:State> independence from <st1:country-region w:st="on">Mexico</st1:country-region> – and now the Mexicans are taking over <ST1:place w:st="on"><st1:State w:st="on">Texas</st1:State></ST1:place> and our southwest without a shot fired because we as a nation no longer have the will to protect our sovereign borders from invasion. <O:p></O:p>

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And not a single "Minute Man" at the sweatshops and fields where the Corporatocracy the conservative sycophants kneel before employs these "invaders."<O:p></O:p>

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I am ashamed that 618,000 Americans made the ultimate sacrifice to settle the slavery issue and that now, 140 years later, the ancestors of those emancipated call for reparations as if we had not already paid in full, in blood. <O:p></O:p>

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Well, I'm glad a conservative can finally admit the true cause of the Civil War! I'm disheartened, though not surprised, that you still lack the consideration of the suffering black Americans endured in that 140 years following the war. <O:p></O:p>

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I am ashamed that 406,000 Americans made the ultimate sacrifice to liberate a continent from a genocidal tyrant, asking only for enough space to burry our dead – and are now viewed with contempt and labeled as imperialist by that same ungrateful continent. <O:p></O:p>

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If a man saves your life and then trips an old lady over in front of you, is it okay that he tripped the old lady because he saved your life?<O:p></O:p>

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I am ashamed that we paid reparations to the American-Japanese citizens for their internment during WWII – but that <st1:country-region w:st="on">Japan</st1:country-region> has yet to pay reparations for killing 3,435 Americans at <ST1:place w:st="on">Pearl Harbor</ST1:place>. <O:p></O:p>

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Well, I agree to a point here. I think it's good that we dealt with the internment issue the way we did. There's nothing to be ashamed about there, unless you are a hypocrite. But <st1:country-region w:st="on"><ST1:pJapan</st1:country-region> has had a lousy history of dealing with the war and their accountability in it. You think that's bad? You should see how they deal with what they did to the Chinese! Very shameful of the Japanese, in my humble opinion. <O:p></O:p>

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I am ashamed that we spent 20 billion under the Marshall Plan beginning in 1947 to completely rebuild Europe – without one penny of repayment or even so much as a thank you to the US taxpayers that footed the bill. <O:p></O:p>

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We made a fortune on that deal. This is an ignorant comment.<O:p></O:p>

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I am ashamed that 54,000 Americans made the ultimate sacrifice to drive back a communist invasion of <st1:country-region w:st="on">South Korea</st1:country-region> and another 40 years protecting their border – where today the MTV generation of South Koreans protests the <ST1:place w:st="on"><st1:country-region w:st="on">US</st1:country-region></ST1:place>, burns our flag and spits on our soldiers. <O:p></O:p>

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Oh please, give it a rest. Again with the specious logic? So what? We rescue people and they have to agree with us on everything forever? That's stupid, arrogant and hypocritical. The French rescued our asses at our Founding - are you a Francophile? <O:p></O:p>

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I am ashamed that 151 Cuban nationals trained in the <st1:country-region w:st="on">US</st1:country-region> to liberate <ST1:place w:st="on"><st1:country-region w:st="on">Cuba</st1:country-region></ST1:place> from communism were left to be slaughtered because our Commander In Chief called off air protection hours before the freedom fighters stormed the beach. <O:p></O:p>

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I am ashamed that any fellow American of mine would be goofy enough to believe that those 151 Cubans would ever have been successful. Castro's bad, but things don't happen in a vacuum. That would have been a bloody fight to the finish, not worth effort. Besides, say what you want about Castro, things have never been better in <st1:country-region w:st="on"><ST1:pCuba</st1:country-region> (which is not saying much, I know...).<O:p></O:p>

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I am ashamed that 58,000 American’s ultimate sacrifice to protect <ST1:place w:st="on"><st1:country-region w:st="on">South Vietnam</st1:country-region></ST1:place> from communist invasion from the north was undermined and derided by treasonous anti-American activities of Walter Cronkite, Jane Fonda, John Kerry and others pro-communist traitors. I am ashamed that these traitors to their country were not tried for treason and executed. <O:p></O:p>

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This is sick. Sickness aside, though, only a loony would think that after dropping three times more explosives on <st1:country-region w:st="on">Vietnam</st1:country-region> than in all of WWII, killing three million Vietnamese, and STILL not really winning the peace, that "liberals" lost the Vietnam War for <st1:country-region w:st="on"><ST1:pAmerica</st1:country-region>. <O:p></O:p>

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I am ashamed that we let stand images of 66 <ST1:place w:st="on"><st1:country-region w:st="on">US</st1:country-region></ST1:place> hostages and daily US Flag burnings on television for 444 days. I am ashamed that our Commander In Chief micromanaged a rescue force guaranteed too small to get the job done wasting 26 good men in the desert sands of <st1:country-region w:st="on"><ST1:place w:st="on">Iran</ST1:place></st1:country-region>. I am ashamed that we did not crush the first fundamentalist Islamic revolution of modern times which today threatens to produce nuclear weapons. <O:p></O:p>

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Hmmm... what did you want to do? Invade <st1:country-region w:st="on"><ST1:pIran</st1:country-region>? Might the Soviets and Chinese have had something to say about that back then? Look at <st1:country-region w:st="on"><ST1:pIraq. </st1:country-region>Crush? Hell, we're MAKING an Islamic revolution! <O:p></O:p>

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I am ashamed that 80 civilian men, women and children were burned to death by our misguided government in <ST1:place w:st="on"><st1:City w:st="on">Waco</st1:City></ST1:place> for the “crimes” of firearm possession and practicing religion – both protected under our Constitution. <O:p></O:p>

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The government should have done a better job of capturing child molester David Koresh, true. But if you think those armed-to-the-teeth, child molesting, swinging cultists were "practicing religion," you've got to lay off the Satanism. <O:p></O:p>

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I am ashamed that a young Cuban mother died of dehydration in a makeshift rubber boat hoping to give her child Elian a life of freedom in <ST1:place w:st="on"><st1:country-region w:st="on">America</st1:country-region></ST1:place> – only to have our Justice Department return the child to Fidel’s communist island prison. <O:p></O:p>

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Eh, who cares? You guys get so riled up over nothing. The kid's with his father. I'd rather be with my father in <st1:country-region w:st="on">Cuba</st1:country-region> then extended family in <st1:country-region w:st="on"><ST1:pAmerica</st1:country-region> - especially if my mother had just died. Family first. Nation like maybe fourth or so.<O:p></O:p>

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I am ashamed that after the first WTC attack, we did nothing except prosecute the horrendous deed like a common crime instead of what it unambiguously was - A declaration of war by a foreign enemy. <O:p></O:p>

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No, it was a crime. War is between nations. Crime is perpetrated by individuals and groups. Only a coward would truly fear the terrorists. Only an idiot would go to "war" with them.<O:p></O:p>

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I am ashamed that after terrorists bombed two US Embassies in <ST1:place w:st="on">Africa</ST1:place>, there was no response. <O:p></O:p>

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Yeah, you're right. We should have invaded <st1:country-region w:st="on"><ST1:place Afghanistan</st1:country-region> much earlier. Too bad the GOP would have blocked <st1:City w:st="on"><ST1:pClinton</st1:City> from doing any such thing. <O:p></O:p>

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I am ashamed that 3 days after 18 marines in a mission to deliver humanitarian aid to starving <ST1:place w:st="on"><st1:country-region w:st="on">Somalia</st1:country-region></ST1:place> civilians were killed in an Al Qaeda backed ambush that our Commander In Chief cut and run. <O:p></O:p>

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Eh. We should have been more careful about that whole thing. What do you want? Revenge?<O:p></O:p>

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I am ashamed that after 17 sailors were blown to bits in the USS Cole attack, there was no response – until the next administration. <O:p></O:p>

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Again, there's no way the GOP would have let <st1:City w:st="on">Clinton</st1:City> invade <st1:country-region w:st="on">Afghanistan</st1:country-region>, let alone the Arabian penninsula or <st1:country-region w:st="on"><ST1:pPakistan </st1:country-region>(you know, where terrorism actually comes from?). <O:p></O:p>

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I am ashamed that we dishonor our Native American brothers by removing their proud names from our sports teams. <O:p></O:p>

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I'd like to say what I now think about this poster, but I don't want to get banned. How's about this, Barkle: would you like it if someone invaded your home, destroyed, murdered and raped your family, and then named their softball team after you? <O:p></O:p>

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I'll say it again - conservatives are poeple who so lack imagination as to never be able to put themselves in another's shoes. <O:p></O:p>

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I am ashamed that we dishonor our God and creator by removing His Commandments from our pledge, our courtrooms and public square. <O:p></O:p>

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There is no God. And besides, your God is a lousy excuse for a "God" anyway. <O:p></O:p>

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I am ashamed of our institutions of higher learning, that grant a perfect SAT score to those of one skin color in admissions policy to the discrimination and detriment to those of another. <O:p></O:p>

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Well, not to quibble, but that's not how it works on several levels. I'll let you figure that out in your own time.<O:p></O:p>

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I am ashamed to live in a nation that has permitted 32,000,000 unborn babies to be aborted as a policy of “choice”. <O:p></O:p>

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32,000,000 babies??? When did this happen??? Oooohhhh... you mean pre-sentient blastocysts, zygotes, embryos and fetuses, right? Okay, I get it. And this effects you how?<O:p></O:p>

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I am ashamed to live in a country that institutionalizes an incentive to having babies out of wed-lock while punishing married moms by removing aid. <O:p></O:p>

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I agree, to a point. I really don't see us "institutionalizing" this. More of a cultural phenomena. <O:p></O:p>

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I am ashamed that our Supreme Court has violated the rights of property ownership by permitting potential tax receipts to trump homeowner’s rights. <O:p></O:p>

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…I could go on and on, but as a conservative, our fight must be to end the shame in <ST1:place w:st="on"><st1:country-region w:st="on">America</st1:country-region></ST1:place>. Liberalism is the cause of our shame; Conservatism is the cure.<O:p></O:p>

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Oh yeah, right. Every important step forward in <ST1:place w:st="on"><st1:country-region w:st="on">America</st1:country-region></ST1:place> has come from "liberals." Our rights, liberties, protections, recourses, for ourselves, our parents, our grandparents and our children all came from Liberals. From our Founding, to today. What have the cons ever done? Nothing. <O:p></O:p>

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And not a single "Minute Man" at the sweatshops and fields where the Corporatocracy the conservative sycophants kneel before employs these "invaders."Hmmm....stopping illegal immigrants from coming into this country taking jobs that the 4.9% unemployed (http://data.bls.gov/PDQ/servlet/SurveyOutputServlet?data_tool=latest_numbers&series_id=LNS14000000) Americans could do or go after the employers that provide jobs so that no one can have those jobs? I will go with stopping the illegal immigrants from coming into this country.

Well, I'm glad a conservative can finally admit the true cause of the Civil War! I'm disheartened, though not surprised, that you still lack the consideration of the suffering black Americans endured in that 140 years following the war. If you think that was the reason for the Civil War instead of an important side issue, you need to do more studying of American history.
If a man saves your life and then trips an old lady over in front of you, is it okay that he tripped the old lady because he saved your life?What "old lady" is the U.S. supposed to be tripping because "he saved your life"?

We made a fortune on that deal. This is an ignorant comment.The American taxpayer did not make a fortune. Some American companies that provided jobs over there (which helped their economy) made some money. Unless you are agreeing that trickle down economics works and some of that money made it back to the taxpayers.

Oh please, give it a rest. Again with the specious logic? So what? We rescue people and they have to agree with us on everything forever? That's stupid, arrogant and hypocritical. The French rescued our asses at our Founding - are you a Francophile?We rescued their people and the U.S. troops currently over there are to make sure that North Korea does not invade South Korea. Perhaps it might be better if the U.S. pulled all troops out of South Korea so that North Korea could take them over like North Vietnam took over South Vietnam after the U.S. troops pulled out.

From Wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paris_Peace_Accords)
A treaty was finally signed on January 27, 1973. All parties pledged to "respect the independence, sovereignty, unity, and territorial integrity of Vietnam as recognized by the 1954 Geneva Agreements on Vietnam." The United States agreed to continue its withdrawal of troops, which had started in 1969, leading to a complete withdrawal by March 29, 1973.

The treaty's terms were unpopular with many in president Nguyen Van Thieu's Southern government. Thieu's main objection was that North Vietnamese troops were permitted to remain in areas they controlled in the South. Moreover, Thieu felt the sudden withdrawal of American forces would cripple their military strength, leaving them vulnerable if the North decided to violate the cease-fire. In 1975 this proved true, and the Northern government successfully invaded and conquered the South.
I am ashamed that any fellow American of mine would be goofy enough to believe that those 151 Cubans would ever have been successful. Castro's bad, but things don't happen in a vacuum. That would have been a bloody fight to the finish, not worth effort. Besides, say what you want about Castro, things have never been better in Cuba (which is not saying much, I know...).That the U.S. government recruited these 151 Cubans, trained the 151 Cubans to do this job (promising U.S. military support), and then just abandon them is terrible.

This is sick. Sickness aside, though, only a loony would think that after dropping three times more explosives on Vietnam than in all of WWII, killing three million Vietnamese, and STILL not really winning the peace, that "liberals" lost the Vietnam War for America.From here. (http://www.washtimes.com/commentary/20040415-090923-9426r.htm) With the Viet Cong wiped out in the Tet offensive, North Vietnamese regulars moved south down the Ho Chi Minh trails through Laos and Cambodia to continue the war. Even Giap admitted in his memoirs that news media reporting of the war and the antiwar demonstrations that ensued in America surprised him. Instead of negotiating what he called a conditional surrender, Giap said they would now go the limit because America's resolve was weakening and the possibility of complete victory was within Hanoi's grasp.

The rest is typical drivel. I will let others with more time address them.

[Wolfcounsel]

Walk to the light, Jersey.

[Westfield Jimmy]

It's past time we stood up, removed our thumbs from our asses, and took back our country from the elitist liberal assholes controlling it.




In my opinion liberals are the cause of much great misery in America today:

The loss of viet-nam, the drug craze, the disrespect for authority & our military, abortion on demand, obcenity on television, the slow destruction of christianity & American values, promoting homosexuality, racial strife, rationalizing crime via socio/economic reasons, they created the entitlement mentality, prostituting the constitution, appeasement, apology, & pacifism to our adversaries, & as always...blame America first!

Liberals love empowering our adversaries, & love making them feel like victims,.. be them foreign terrorists, common street criminals or whatever. They employ the most hackneyed idiotic conspiracy theories to villainize our president, & his administration because THEY cannot win elections very often anymore as their masks have been torn off. THEY use the freedoms they have in America to slowly destroy America from within!

AS outrageous as it seems, I would love to see "liberalism" criminalized because it IS the BIGGEST threat to America!

The elitist liberal bastards use the guise of phoney "rights" issues to instill fear to promote their morally bankrupt ideology among the most naive', uneducated, & most ignorant. (yes, gullible democrat voters)

The one time great democratic party has been DEAD for decades, replaced by leftwing nuts, quacks..& kooks, & bears no resemblance to the party it once was thanks to the liberal whackos who hijacked it long ago.

[nene]

I am ashamed that we st. louis'ans have to stand by and watch the cardinals slaughter the padres. It just isnt right, I, I, I just don't think its right.
SNORF!:hahaha:

[nene]

BarkleUSA, your posts are excellent.

[Maggie_T]

BarkleUSA, you slippery rascal. :grin: You had me going for a while there. Excellent post, mate. I look forward to more brilliant posts to come.

May I make a suggestion? Could you please add Jersey McJones to your list of things to be ashamed of? No reason why we should limit our shame to the past. The Jersey McJones of this country are a legitimate cause for mortification. After all, they go about calling themselves Americans. :rolleyes:

[Lazarus]

Outstanding opening post, Barkle... Welcome aboard, friend... Happy to have you...

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[Lazarus]

I'm a liberal.You're an ass... And a Troll bent only on disrupting this board and getting banned which Im sure you will brag about on whatever liberal board you run to hide on... So enjoy your banishment and strut like the adolescent lefty punk that you are...

May I make a suggestion? Could you please add Jersey McJones to your list of things to be ashamed of? No reason why we should limit our shame to the past. The Jersey McJones of this country are a legitimate cause for mortification. After all, they go about calling themselves Americans. :rolleyes:Well said, dear Maggie...<!-- / message --><!-- sig -->

[ErikTheRed]

Excellent post, Barkle. Welcome from one newbie to another. Don't mind Jersey McJerkOff's "rebuttal," I've never encountered him but from what I've read, he has the personality of a hemmorhoid.

[BarkleUSA]

I am not bothered by JerseyMcJones rebuttal – his inept sophomoric caterwaul merely serves to remind us all that advancing truth, justice and conservatism remains our noble calling, that the job is far from done and that we cannot rest while there are still Americans living under the putrid fog of liberalism.

…and so it goes.

[Maggie_T]

Good point, dear.

But I still think JMcJ and his ilk should not call themselves American. Makes Americans look so bad.

[Bold_Fighter]

That is a bold post. Try posting it on a lib board though, and I bet they will delete it...BECAUSE THEY KNOW IT IS ALL TRUE!!!

[Maggie_T]

BF, it would never survive in a liberal website. And for the very reason you name. They would read the first sentence and they would delete it and ban the poster.

Gotta love those champions for tolerance. :rolleyes:

[SgtComic]

I am ashamed that I served for 8 years in the Unied States Army and saw my friends get killed. I look at the way this country is becoming, and the fact that liberals protest our military and look with disdain on actives and veterans, and I have decided their lives were too precious to waste protecting a country that hates them.

[Doug1943]

A few technical corrections to the original post:

I don't know how many Americans died in Texas' war of independence, but 79,000 sounds wrong by two orders of magnitude. About 150 died at the Alamo, about 400 were executed in cold blood at Goliad, and at the Battle of San Jacinto the Mexican Army lost about 600, while we lost seven.

406,000 American dead in WWII sounds wrong by a factor of almost two. The figure usually quoted is about 250,000. (Interesting fact: the peaceniks scream about our nearly 2000 dead in Iraq. In the month of February 1945 alone, 49,000 American servicemen were listied as killed in action, and several thousand more were missing.)

Only a few Japanese-Americans were "interned" in WWII, namely, those who were openly loyal to Japan. The rest were ordered to move away from the West Coast. They did not have to enter the relocation camps if they did not want to, and not all did.

26 dead in the botched Iranian rescue mission is also wrong. I believe it was closer to eight.

The servicemen killed in Somalia were Army, not Marines.

It's important to get the facts right if this is to be posted elsewhere, since liberals will focus on the errors of fact rather than the politics.

Doug

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According to Wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_War_II_casualties) , there were 405,400 U.S. casualties in WWII.

According to American Battle Monuments Commission (http://www.abmc.gov/abmc45.htm) , there were 405,399 U.S casualties in WWII.

[Wyatt_Junker]

According to Wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_War_II_casualties) , there were 405,400 U.S. casualties in WWII.

According to American Battle Monuments Commission (http://www.abmc.gov/abmc45.htm) , there were 405,399 U.S casualties in WWII.

Thank you.

'Sounds wrong' don't cut jack shit.

[DesertFox]

What civilians usually think of as "casualties" are the KIA's. But it isn't that simple.

A "casualty" is somebody wounded OR kilt. Casualties include guys who trip over a tentpeg while running from a strafing aircraft, and break an ankle. You're a casualty if dysentery takes you out of the fighting, or frostbite, or venereal disease, though these aren't always counted as casualties of war. The data get mixed up over the years because of such "how do you count THIS guy?" stuff.

The figures I found on WWII when I looked into this 20 years ago showed 243,000 killed in action. Those were DoD sources. Doug's figures on the rest also correspond with the sources I've checked over the years in the various military actions.

[Wyatt_Junker]

Then I stand corrected. No, sit corrected. I'm actually sitting right now, not standing. I hate cliches.

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From the earlier links, the numbers are for deaths and not wounded.

From Department of Veteran Affairs (http://www.va.gov/pressrel/amwars01.htm) , there were 291,557 battle deaths and 113,842 Other Deaths in Service (Non-Theater) which total 405,399 deaths for World War II. It also lists 671,846 Non-mortal Woundings for World War II.

[BarkleUSA]

FORMAL CORRECTION:

In my original post titled “I am ashamed of America's Past” I incorrectly stated that the WWII casualties were 406,000. The actual number was 405,400.

I would like to apologize to everyone at FreeConservatives for overstating the number of WWII casualties by 15 hundredths of 1%.

Special appreciation goes to Doug1943 for missing the larger points I was trying to make in my post and instead focusing on the minutia of statistically insignificant rounding.

…and now for some Star Trek dialogue

Kirk: “The black hole is sucking us in, we’re going to need warp drive to blast our way out! How much longer on those dilethium crystals Scotty?”

Scotty: “Maybe 3 minutes Capt’n. I’m given it all she’s got.”

Spock: “Captain, a few technical corrections to Scotty’s time assessment. It will require 3 minutes, 2 seconds and 634.79341107 microseconds. Shall I write up a reprimand for Scotty's error?”

Kirk: “No, that won’t be necessary.” (Under his breath: “Damn Vulcans”)

…followed by wisdom

C'est une folie à nulle autre seconde, / De vouloir se mêler à corriger le monde. - It is a stupidity second to none, to busy oneself with the correction of the world.
- J. B. Poquelin Molière, Le Misanthrope, I. i

[EdmundDantes]

Great post!!!, if only it got national attention! I am sick to death of Conservative running away from their principles, because t is the easiest thing to do.

Courage means doing the RIGHT thing even when it is the HARDEST thing to do.

[BarkleUSA]

RE:


Courage means doing the RIGHT thing even when it is the HARDEST thing to do.

I think you just encapsulated Bush's War on Terrorism - good point.