Warning graphic--Dogs used as bait

[MSGT]

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STRAY dogs are being skewered on hooks and dragged behind boats as live shark bait, The Sun can shockingly reveal.

The cruel practice takes place on French-controlled Reunion Island in the Indian Ocean, where Prince William spent two holidays.



http://www.thesun.co.uk/article/0,,2-2005450117,00.html
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[dPrasse]

Why not use stray Frenchmen & Women instead ?? ;)

[MSGT]

Why not use stray Frenchmen & Women instead ?? ;)

You a cold hearted dude...................poor shark

[Teenager]

Why not use stray Frenchmen & Women instead ?? ;)

Disgusting!! God knows sharks don't like the taste of French!

[DoctorDoom]

They need to be killed. No trial, no judge, no jury. On-the-spot execution, followed by rescuing the dogs and sinking the boat. And I will gladly perform that service to humanity. Motherf**kers!

[Melz]

What a sad story, poor little animals :(

I just read this story to the liberal who sits across from me and all he had to say was "it is just another way to control the pet population."...These are the type of people who questions the compassion of conservatives???

So sad, and inhumane :(

[PrezLeefun]

poor babies! Thats just evil. I love dogs; how wrong to be mean to them.

[UhUhNoWay]

The RSPCA plans to petition the French government, demanding an end to the hideous torture. Does that mean the French government sanctions this kind of animal cruelty? Is this a business...I mean are these actual 'shark fishers' or is it more of a 'recreational' (for lack of a better word) type thing. There should already be some kind of law on their books about this kind of cruelty..I would think it would just be a matter of enforcing it. The RSPCA would probably spend it's money better asking the public for tips on who is doing this stuff and prosecuting them rather than getting the government involved, because I can't see them doing anything real except making a silly statement that it is a bad practice and it'll do nothing to help these animals. Animal lovers will step up and help before the government will.
People are soooo disappointing.

[Peachdiane]

There are times I wish my new pup (4 mos) was bait! :p

Seriously, anyone who would do this is pure EVIL. I'd like to do the same thing to them. :soap:

[UhUhNoWay]

Aww Peach, your baby pup has such a smooshy squishy lovey face! He'll get better...but until he does maybe you should try a playpen LOL

[medved]

A certain percentage of the stories you read on the internet are BS and this one has a high probability.

My guess is that hook wouldn't hold that dog like that and, even if it did, the most likely event of a shark strike would be to take most of the dog off behind the hook.

[TechnoPrincess]

How horrible! Who would think something like this is OK?!

[DoctorDoom]

My guess is that hook wouldn't hold that dog like that..The hooks are through the most sensitive part of the dog's head. Every attempt to pull free would be as agonizing as ramming them through him was.

It's utter torture, and the bastards who do it need killing. Period.

[DoctorDoom]

A certain percentage of the stories you read on the internet are BS and this one has a high probability.On August 18th, Sea Shepherd Conservation Society posted a reward of USD$1,000 to any policeman on La Reunion island who arrests anyone responsible for using live dogs or cats as bait for sharks.

To utilize puppies and kittens as live shark bait has been a “tradition” on La Reunion, and despite it being a violation of French law, the practice has continued without violators being arrested.Man Charged With Using Puppies for Shark Bait in Reunion (http://www.seashepherd.org/news/media_050929_1.html)

Brigitte Bardot, the film star turned animal rights campaigner, has called on the French government to stop fishermen on the island of Reunion using live puppies and kittens as shark bait.

"It is imperative that the government does something to end this practice," she said in a letter to the minister for French overseas territories, Francois Baroin, a copy of which was given to AFP yesterday.

According to Clicanoo, a newspaper in Reunion, a French island located in the Indian Ocean, a six-month-old puppy was found last month with hooks in its nose and one of its legs.

The French Society for the Protection of Animals told the daily the dog was the victim of cruel fishermen who attract sharks by throwing puppies or kittens into the water, tied to fishing lines, and wait for the predators to swallow the thrashing animals.

"We don't see that every day, but it's not the first time, either," Marie-Annick Chantrel, the vice-president of the Reunion branch of the SPA, told Clicanoo.

"We've already seen cats six or seven months old with hooks in them."Stop using puppies as shark bait, says Bardot (http://www.smh.com.au/news/world/stop-using-puppies-as-shark-bait-says-bardot/2005/08/26/1124563003567.html)

This is a French BB.

Use of Dogs as live shark bait - Isle de Reunion (http://www.totalfrance.com/france/forum/viewtopic.php?t=7702)

The page refers to a petition. Here's the English version.

Against the use of live dogs as bait to catch sharks off La Réunion Island! (http://www.30millionsdamis.fr/FR/Petition/Petition_ile_reunion_UK.htm)

A MAN has been arrested by cops probing the use of live dogs as shark bait, it was revealed last night.

It comes a day after The Sun published horrific photos of a pup with a fishing hook through its snout.

Cops on French-controlled Reunion Island say a man will appear in court tomorrow. And last night the French Embassy vowed to target more rogue fishermen.

It said: “Such acts are illegal and intolerable.”

Animal welfare group Sea Shepherd will pay £680 to any cop who catches a fisherman baiting a dog.

Thousands contacted the RSPCA and The Sun after reading our story.

In one case, a six-month-old labrador puppy had its paws bound with wire and was used for bait.Arrest over shark dogs (http://www.thesun.co.uk/article/0,,2-2005450292,00.html)

Never underestimate man's capacity for cruelty and evil.

[nene]

Outrageous! Anybody that does such a thing does not deserve to live.

[aaron11]

I love my Dogs, the thought of this actually going on sickens me!

[Lestat]

Bastards! They should be hooked by the balls and thrown into the sea! :flame:

[Beowulf]

I guess since the French can't torture other humans by winning a war they resort to torturing lesser beings. Another reason to hate the French.

[DeclinetoState]

Cultures are neither right nor wrong. They are simply different. Sometimes so different as to be incompatible. If the world just recognized that instead if trying to put all the round pegs in all the square holes, we'd go a longer way towards peace, than both side thinking they have the corner on a better way to live. See, what they do to the dogs is simply part of their culture. We have to be tolerant, not judgmental. Telling people they can't use live dogs as shark bait--why, that's like trying to put a round peg in a square hole. If we could only see their way of thinking, we'd have world peace.

Now, doesn't that make you feel better? Let's all gather round and sing "Kum Ba Yah." (No, not to the Jaws theme...)

[Wolfcounsel]

"My guess is that hook wouldn't hold that dog like that and, even if it did, the most likely event of a shark strike would be to take most of the dog off behind the hook." --medved

I don't believe those animals give a rat's ass whether they catch any sharks or not. They get their jollies watching the dogs get chewed on by them, or other predatory sea lfe.<!-- / message -->

[Lestat]

See, what they do to the dogs is simply part of their culture. We have to be tolerant, not judgmental. Telling people they can't use live dogs as shark bait--why, that's like trying to put a round peg in a square hole. If we could only see their way of thinking, we'd have world peace.

:worshippy:worshippy:worshippy:worshippy:worshippy :worshippy

[hdmundt]

I love my Dogs, the thought of this actually going on sickens me!

I don't love dogs, and the thought of this actually going on sickens me. If this is not a hoax of some kind, the French authorities need to look into this. There's probably some humans being tortured/killed in that general vicinity also.

[Pendragon_6]

If I ever caught some dingle-berry brain doing something like that, I would empty my gun into the son-of-satan!

[Faithful_Servant]

The next thing you know they'll be juggling cats...
http://www.diamond-jim.com/catjuggler/

Or stuffing them in bottles...
http://www.bonsaikitten.com/



C'mon, people. This one has hoax written all over it. The pic of the dog with the hooks in it's mouth shows a complete lack of any grasp of reality. If you threw that dog in the water hooked up like that and then started trolling for sharks, you'd pull the hooks out in a matter of seconds. If you wanted to attract sharks, the best way is with blood, lots of blood, the more blood, the better. Those two little holes wouldn't produce much blood at all. While the movement would attract the sharks in the immeadiate vicinity, it's the blood that pulls them in from a wide range. IMO, this is probably going to turn out to be a pic of a dog that tried to eat some bait that had been hooked up and got hooked himself.

[dPrasse]

Never underestimate man's capacity for cruelty and evil.

Thank You , Doom !

Finally , PETA has something right ...

[Logic]

Just remember that millions of pigs will regain consciousness while they are bled to death. Pigs are more intelligent than dogs too. I have a dog of my own and love the pets, but this reeks of sensationalist bullshit and is quite likely a hoax.

[DoctorDoom]

C'mon, people. This one has hoax written all over it.I provided multiple references to it. The French government is on the case. One of the bastards has been arrested. It's your turn to offer evidence.

The pic of the dog with the hooks in it's mouth shows a complete lack of any grasp of reality.Your response to it evinces a denial of reality.

If you threw that dog in the water hooked up like that and then started trolling for sharks, you'd pull the hooks out in a matter of seconds.Study the photograph if you can bear it (yes, it's difficult to do). The hooks go into the mouth and then out next to the nose.

<img src="http://137.222.110.150/calnet/dogskull/image/New%20Skull.jpg" border="1" />

Lateral View of a Dog Skull (http://137.222.110.150/calnet/dogskull/dogskull.htm)

As well, the hooks are apparently stainless steel, suitable for catching sharks. They don't bend without a lot of force.

No way in hell is that the result of the dog biting on bait. It's an act of consummate cruelty by a soulless savage.

If you wanted to attract sharks, the best way is with blood, lots of blood, the more blood, the better.If one is hunting sharks, why would he want to attract a shitload of them? They'd attack the hooked one and defeat the purpose of shark hunting.

Those two little holes wouldn't produce much blood at all.Copious blood would be counterproductive.

While the movement would attract the sharks in the immeadiate vicinity ...If you were bear hunting, would you want a forest full of them to come your way? The whole purpose is to attract nearby sharks without initiating a feeding frenzy.

... it's the blood that pulls them in from a wide range.And that is obviously not the intent.

IMO, this is probably going to turn out to be a pic of a dog that tried to eat some bait that had been hooked up and got hooked himself.Sorry, but that doesn't wash. Would you call that a standard fish hook? And would you care to explain how the dog opened his mouth far enough that the two hooks went through his mouth, out his snout and protruded several inches beyond it? And this is a six-month-old-puppy, hardly a likely candidate for stealing bait from a shark hook.

That was done deliberately. I can readily understand the hope that this is a hoax, but in the real world there are cold-blooded, heartless monsters who do such things ... and far worse.

[DoctorDoom]

Just remember that millions of pigs will regain consciousness while they are bled to death.Which demonstrates that slaughter methods need to be improved. It is irrelevant to this thread and is a red herring.

Pigs are more intelligent than dogs too.So why are pigs not pets rather than dogs?

I have a dog of my own and love the pets, but this reeks of sensationalist bullshit and is quite likely a hoax.I offer you the same challenge that I made in my previous post: provide evidence that it is a hoax. I have linked to external sites affirming the reality of it. You have provided your opinion. Now back it up with evidence.

[Lestat]

sensationalist bullshit

You skeptics/atheists never dissapoint when it comes to stupidity.

[ErikTheRed]

No way. This has to be an urban legend. Shark hunters use buckets of shredded local fish to attract sharks, that's what the sharks are used to smelling. Hook a lamb shank and toss it in, no one is using dogs. C'mon.

[Teenager]

Snopes (http://www.snopes.com/critters/crusader/sharkbait.asp) says its an undetermined urban legend.

(Man, I'm really starting to like Snopes :D)

[DoctorDoom]

No way. This has to be an urban legend. Shark hunters use buckets of shredded local fish to attract sharks, that's what the sharks are used to smelling. Hook a lamb shank and toss it in, no one is using dogs. C'mon.Lack of research leads to errant opinions.

The newspaper Clicanoo (http://www.clicanoo.com/) exists. And the website has a number of items about this atrocity.

Here's a search for chien requin (dog shark - the paper is in French, and no English version is available online):

Il y a 29 articles correspondant à "chien requin". (http://archives.clicanoo.com/recherche.php?recherche=chien+requin&Submit.x=12&Submit.y=6)

Here's a page with the already-seen image of the dog. It is dated 26 July 2005.

Les requins se feraient les crocs sur les chiens (http://archives.clicanoo.com/article.php3?id_article=109127&var_recherche=chien+requin)

Per Babelfish -- not great, but the gist of it is there:

SEAS AND OCEANS
The sharks would be made the hooks on the dogs

L’image had what to shock. September 26, 2003, a dog regained the residence of its owner, of the hooks still fixed on the chops.

[ July 26, 2005 ]


The sharks rôdent

L’animal, cross Labrador, came obviously d’échapper to a cruel death. It had been prepared to be useful d’appât alive for a fishing with the sharks. The practice would consist in bringing l’animal to broad on board ḻembarcation. Once on the spot, one inserts hooks in the muzzle to him. Then, it is placed on a board qu’on lets derive. All l’astuce would be then d’appâter the shark thanks to the bleeding of l’animal and undoubtedly also its “pleurs” and gesticulations...

30 d’amis million launched a petition

With l’époque, l’affaire had defrayed the chronicle. And thanks to the mobilization of the protective Company of animals (SPA), ḻautor of this odious intention could have been identified and condemned by the courts. A sorrow symbolic system three months of prison with deferment plus a fine of almost 500 euros for act of cruelty. Since, the things hardly n’auraient advanced. In any discretion and especially in all impunity, fishermen “tortionnaires” would continue to use dogs as alive soft foods for fishing with the sharks. Aujourd’hui, of the cats would undergo the same fate according to Denise Sula. With many recoveries, the president of the local SPA alerted the authorities. Without success. Difficult of effect to surprise these fishermen in obvious offence. Nevertheless, with ḻassociation “30 d’amis” million;, Denise Sula has aujourd’hui allied weight to make become aware of this barbarian practice. Since last April, ḻassociation “30 d’amis” million; mobilize and sensitizes through a petition launched on line on its Internet site. Several thousands of people would have already adhered to the movement of protest. In addition, “30 d’amis” million; asked the local authorities to reinforce controls. It should be hoped that ḻassociation will be listened than the SPA.One would assume that an island relying heavily on tourism would immediately put the lie to a hoax/urban legend. However, the main newspaper has been following the issue Since July.

Another page:

Un chiot pour appâter le requin (http://archives.clicanoo.com/article.php3?id_article=109439&var_recherche=chien+requin)

Per Babelfish:

A pup to cram the shark

An act of cruelty moreover. Yesterday morning, a child discovered in a gully a pup intended to cram the shark. L’animal had a hook between the muzzle and the chop connected by a wire of fishing to another hook planted in the leg. It was taken charges some by the SPA. The family which l’a discovered wishes l’adopter.

[ July 30, 2005 ]

On the tiled ground of the center of sterilization of the SPA, a pup d’environ 6 months wanders the glance hagard, terrorized. L’animal presents a wound at the chop. A hole left by a hook measuring 4 to 5 cm. Of its leg before and of its back leg also two bent iron ends exceed. The pup undoubtedly does not measure its chance to d’atterrir on the table ḏoperation of the veterinary surgeon of the SPA. How much did d’autres finish devoured by sharks or given up with l’eau, drowned in d’intenses sufferings ? “C’est always an act of trop”, s’exclame Marie, person in charge for the problems of ill-treatment on the animals for the SPA. Over the four last years, c’est the third dog which lands under these conditions with the SPA. But much d’autres case was announced. Thus on September 26, 2003, a cross dog Labrador returned to its owner with hooks in the mouth. “C’est not tous.les.jours qu’on sees that, but this n’est not the first time either. C’est a current practice which is also done with kittens. We already saw cats of 6 or 7 months with hameçons” explain Marie-Annick Chantrel, the vice-president of the SPA. The pup was yesterday discovered at the end of the morning by a child who played in a dry gully in the district of the Resource with Sainte-Marie. How did it arrive there ? Does it have escaped with the vigilance of its of torture, it was slackened because of its small size ? Impossible to know it, like finding its torturers. The boy with l’origine of the discovery managed to withdraw l’hameçon qu’il to him had in the mouth and which was connected to l’hameçon its leg. The family then called Cinor which entrusted the pup to SPA.L’animal is a small royal bourbon d’environ 6 months.http://archives.clicanoo.com/IMG/jpg/UNE-CHIEN.jpg

The wound in the puppy's upper lip is clearly visible, and the hook in its leg didn't evolve there.

Two more photos:

http://archives.clicanoo.com/IMG/jpg/chiot.jpg http://archives.clicanoo.com/IMG/jpg/Chantrel-.jpg

I'll say it again: NEVER set limits on what "humans" will do to the helpless.

[Conserv_Atticus]

How about we put these hooks in these assholes dicks (if they even have one) and drag them behind a boat, the filthy low life bastards!!!!

[ErikTheRed]

!

[DoctorDoom]

!!

[ErikTheRed]

:thumb: Damn! You caught me before I could delete it, Doom. I know French but not enough to translate effectively. Sorry to be a jerk, once again!

[DoctorDoom]

No problemo.

[Patriot Heart]

I was hoping against hope that this was a hoax. It appears it is not. I know there is a heaven for animals, because God would not allow his innocent creations to go "no where" after such brutality.

[DoctorDoom]

That is especially so with dogs, whose relationship with man is unlike any other animal on Earth. Some can be pets, but only dogs can be friends.

[Patriot Heart]

Well Dear Doctor, I will have to respectfully disagree, while I have all shapes and sizes of God's creations running about this 20 acres, I must say one of my dearest friends is an aged Siamese cat, who, upon noting my arrival home, precedes me down the brick footpath, explaining in vivid Siamese lingo the type of day he has had. He rejoices in reclining on my bed and doesn't take offense if he is accidently dumped on the floor, whilst I toss and turn at night. Faithfull does not describe him. Yes, there is a dear one of the canine persuasion that shares the bed as well, fortunately they are good friends! What a gift God gave us. In times like this I do not know what would become of me without them.

[Peachdiane]

Amen!!!

BTW I take Snopes with a grain of salt.

Ever since I was a wee one, I've had a dachsund, Lhasa Apso, 2 Golden Retrievers, A Shih Tzu, a few mutts including a chow mix, and now a Golden/Rottie mix. Each is/was very special and had their own personalities.

I came across this some time ago and it's true... dogs are womens' best friends too. :D

According to a survey from Shopzilla.com, more than half (56%) of female pet owners say that their pet is more affectionate than their partner. That's great news for pets and bad news for men. Only 41% of men surveyed felt that their pet was more affectionate than their partner.

[DoctorDoom]

Cats are great. I have one of them myself. However, as a rule they tolerate us as long as we feed them. The dog-human interaction is totally different from life with cats. Maybe it's that feeling that you're being watched, and you turn to see the dog looking at you with the big brown eyes and you can see, "You must be God!" Or maybe it's the big, sloppy kiss that he gives just because.

Some cats do try to be dogs. God bless 'em for that.

[Conserv_Atticus]

Cats suck... not just because i'm allergic to them, but because they are such DRAG QUEENS!!!!

[BEST45CAL]

Our Ronnie the cat-dog. LOL

[HomeschoolrsRUs]

I can hardly bear this thread, it grieves my heart tremendously. I am a complete sap when it comes to animals/pets. We are currently in a situation with a neighbor who is negligent with her pets, and I'm about a hair's width from calling authorities or just getting the animals and claiming possession 9/10ths of the law.

The one thing that keeps going through my mind is just WHAT KIND of sick individual it must take to actually skewer those animals with hooks in the first place. I am sitting here looking into the beautiful brown eyes of my beloved rottweiller and I just cannot believe that any REAL human being can look into the eyes of a dog and put a hook like that through its mouth. My baby got a stick caught in her paw, and I about drowned from the tears trying to help her get it out.

This truly sickens me beyond words.


BTW, for what it's worth, I know what you are talking about Doc. I have had cats AND dogs, and while I loved them all DEARLY, there's just something about the relationship of a person and their dog. Of all my canine and feline companions, I must say the greatest joys were those memories made on trips and outtings together, and the crazy antics of devotion to me and my family. I simply cannot imagine life without my pups.

[Rink]

I read this story last night and cried, I cant understand how these people can be so immune to these poor helpless critters pain, the animals they abuse had to cry when they abuse them, how can ANYONE be THAT heartless to do such things to God's critters.

The Torah commands human beings be kind and merciful to God's creatures, as we are their stewards, it is our duty to care for the creatures God gave to us in our care with kindness and mercy.

If they can do that to animals they can be just as cruel to their own children as its been well established psychologucal fact that if humans abuse animals they WILl go up to the next step and abuse infants, children et al.

I signed the petition, even tho I live in the USA, I feel this needs to be stopped.

One question though where is PETA?

Peta whines about animal abuse, KFC and MacDonalds yet when there is found true animal abuse it seems PETA is strangely silent when it comes to this.

Sometimes I wonder Why I read these kinds of stories when all it does is make me cry and have nightmares afterwards :(:cryrub:

[dPrasse]

Our Ronnie the cat-dog. LOL
Looks more like "Ronnie , the under the door draft buster " ...

Always have had cats and dogs , and , yes , Doom , a few pet pigs and a few pet raccoons , on the farm ... they were all good for something ....

[Peachdiane]

One question though where is PETA?

PETA is about politics & money not animal welfare...

[DoctorDoom]

PETA is probably pissed that they didn't get to euthanize the pup.