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maxparrish
10-09-2005, 05:16 PM
The GOP's Border Guard

By George F. Will
Sunday, October 9, 2005; Page B07


"Around 1900, at age 11 or so, Tom Tancredo's grandfather, an orphan, sailed, unaccompanied...

Today, grandson Tom is a congressman representing Denver suburbs and voicing the sentiments of many Americans who are incandescent with anger about illegal immigration. Hence he is giving Republican Party officials nightmares about a boisterous Tancredo presentation of those sentiments in the 2008 Republican presidential primaries.

Tom Tancredo says he is too fat, short and bald to be president. But he is voicing the sentiments of many Americans who are incandescent with anger about illegal immigration.'

Tancredo says, "I'm too fat, too short and too bald" to be president. Actually, at 5 feet 8 inches "in my cowboy boots" and 177 pounds, he would have towered over President Madison... Still, Tancredo knows he is not going to be president and hopes "some tall guy with good hair" will make illegal immigration a big issue in 2008.

But he believes he will have to, and he recently has been to, among other places, Iowa, New Hampshire and South Carolina.[/u] He is consulting with Bay Buchanan, who, as Pat Buchanan's sister, knows something about mounting intraparty insurgencies. She expects he will run and hopes she will be Sancho Panza to his Don Quixote.

Tancredo knows his candidacy would be quixotic, and he worries that if he wins few votes his issue will be discounted. But he also knows that presidential primaries are, among other things, market research mechanisms whereby unserved constituencies are discovered and dormant issues brought to life.

Which is what worries Republican officials. They desperately want to avoid giving offense to the Hispanic vote, the rapidly growing -- and already the largest -- cohort in play in American politics....

Tancredo insists that no draconian measure is necessary. His silver bullet is to "just enforce the law" -- the law against hiring illegal immigrants. Give employers computerized means of checking the status of job applicants, and, he says, the ones here illegally will go home. If only it were that simple. But the details of his plan are less important than his emphatic raising of an issue that many Americans believe is being ignored or treated gingerly for reasons of political calculation or political correctness.

He says that "The Disuniting of America," a 1992 book by one of liberalism's eminent intellectuals, Arthur Schlesinger Jr., alerted him to the dangers of the "cult of multiculturalism." Today's immigrants, he says, do not feel what his grandfather did -- "pressure to assimilate." Because most come from nearby countries in this hemisphere, they do not experience what is called the "psychological guillotine" of being severed from their old country by distance and the difficulty of transoceanic travel.

Elected in 1998, Tancredo is consistently obstreperous, meaning conservative as Republicans used to understand that. He voted against President Bush's prescription drug entitlement because he says we can't afford it, against Bush's education reform, the No Child Left Behind Act, because it is expands federal infringement of state responsibilities, and against the recent $50 billion appropriation for recovery from Hurricane Katrina because of insufficient accountability -- "Not one person on the [House] floor could tell you what it was being spent for." His proposal for paying for Katrina? "Sell 15 percent of all federal land." But not, he says temperately, Yellowstone Park.

Such high-voltage views will enable him to live off the land in 2008, depending on the free media attention that comes to a live wire. So Republicans may have found their Al Sharpton, a candidate who simply has no interest in being decorous...."

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/10/07/AR2005100701701.html

I'm sold!

dPrasse
10-09-2005, 05:33 PM
That would give me a (R) chad to punch for sure !

but

Which is what worries Republican officials. They desperately want to avoid giving offense to the Hispanic vote, the rapidly growing -- and already the largest -- cohort in play in American politics....

tells me the (R) stands for Re-election and not for Reasonable Responsibility

tacitus
10-09-2005, 06:00 PM
Tancredo knows he is not going to be president and hopes "some tall guy with good hair" will make illegal immigration a big issue in 2008.

Forget that!

Which is what worries Republican officials. They desperately want to avoid giving offense to the Hispanic vote, the rapidly growing -- and already the largest -- cohort in play in American politics....

Which is why nothing will be done about the illegals, except giving them amnesty. Then they can vote for the D ticket.

Today's immigrants, he says, do not feel what his grandfather did -- "pressure to assimilate." Because most come from nearby countries in this hemisphere, they do not experience what is called the "psychological guillotine" of being severed from their old country by distance and the difficulty of transoceanic travel.

I imagine that's what my grandparents experienced in 1896 when they came here from Sicily. Assimilate or starve because there was no welfare.

Republican_Legion
10-09-2005, 06:01 PM
i'm half hispanic(mexican) and i support Tancredo . if the RNC is worried about offending me they are pretty stupid and they dont realize that Illegals cant vote . i know more white people who support Illegals then mexican people who support it so i dont see why the RNC is worried about it for .

tacitus
10-09-2005, 06:33 PM
if the RNC is worried about offending me they are pretty stupid and they dont realize that Illegals cant vote .


Actually you are incorrect, they do vote. All one needs to vote is a valid Dl and in the majority of the state that is sufficient. The Motor Voter Act started that insanity.

Little know fact is that there are not enough election judges to ensure that illegals don't vote. FYI one of the 9/11 murderers voted for Gore in Douglas County, Colorado.

i know more white people who support Illegals then mexican people who support it so i dont see why the RNC is worried about it for .

The RNC is worried that Tom will stir up a s*itstorm with the cold hard facts about illegals. Many people have no idea how many billions of tax dollars are being spent to support illegals. The RNC or DNC for that matter do not want to upset the applecart.

aaron11
10-09-2005, 06:48 PM
Well, this will likely cause the Republicans to loose in 08. Tancredo will get a lot of support, especialy from Conservatives including me. But will not likley get the moderate votes.

It's going to really suck having Hillary for President...

This country is "stuck on stupid". :mad:

Apollo5600
10-09-2005, 07:31 PM
i'm half hispanic(mexican) and i support Tancredo .
I'm full Hispanic and I support Tancredo, beat that!

Republican_Legion
10-09-2005, 09:16 PM
I'm full Hispanic and I support Tancredo, beat that!

woh ! cool ... very cool :claps:

2nd_Amendment
10-09-2005, 09:32 PM
I'm full Hispanic and I support Tancredo, beat that!

This would be because this isn't a racial issue. It's about right and wrong. it's about obeying our laws and, more importantly, it's about what drives these illegals to come here and thus what needs changed in government. The only people who want it to be about race are the leftists and that's only because they want everything to be about race. They have no legitimate arguments left.

BarkleUSA
10-09-2005, 09:44 PM
I just don’t get it – why neither party seems willing to do anything except pay lip service to this issue. I have seen poll after poll that show America overwhelmingly is fed up with 11 million illegals running around under the radar and unknown to authorities.

I am a staunch Republican but I would vote for Hillary, Kucinich, Dean, Ted or Nader if they came out with a platform to close the border and impose a tightly controlled guest worker program.

With the money we are throwing away on NO, we could build a fence 40 feet tall from San Diego to Brownsville.

Americans don’t hate Latinos; we do hate lawlessness and what we have now is chaotic and puts the migrants and border patrol in danger.

America needs workers in large numbers willing to do certain jobs.

But let’s do it the right way, completely seal our southern border, and restore sanity to this mess.

maxparrish
10-09-2005, 10:21 PM
I just don’t get it – why neither party seems willing to do anything except pay lip service to this issue. I have seen poll after poll that show America overwhelmingly is fed up with 11 million illegals running around under the radar and unknown to authorities.

I am a staunch Republican but I would vote for Hillary, Kucinich, Dean, Ted or Nader if they came out with a platform to close the border and impose a tightly controlled guest worker program.

With the money we are throwing away on NO, we could build a fence 40 feet tall from San Diego to Brownsville.

Americans don’t hate Latinos; we do hate lawlessness and what we have now is chaotic and puts the migrants and border patrol in danger.

America needs workers in large numbers willing to do certain jobs.

But let’s do it the right way, completely seal our southern border, and restore sanity to this mess.

It's true. The majority of Republicans believe in an assertive defenese against international threats, a free market, and border security for our people. But what do we get? Either a Buchanan type who is spot on concerning immigration but is a dippy isolationist who is against free trade OR we get a neo-con who is correct on the other issues but can't see a problem with illegal and unrestricted immigration.

Perhaps Tancredo is representative of what most Republicans support...is it possible?

All we want is someone who takes these words seriously (the Constitution):

"We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America."

Notice it says "to secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity"; its says for US for OUR children, not to let those blessings be threatened by hordes of illegals.

And everyone talks about Mexican immigration, let us remember there are substantial problems from every corner. Russians, Bulgarians, Muslims, Mung, etc. pouring into this country, many illegally, fueling gigantic urban megaplexs eating up small towns, land, and social resources.

And the young complain about spirling housing costs - wanta guess what causes that? POPULATION GROWTH!

Republican_Legion
10-10-2005, 01:19 AM
tancredo is a combination of a True fiscal conservative and Social conservative .
he is against pork , he is against Illegal aliens , he is against big spending , he is for tax cuts . so he would get some libertarian support . he would also get Social Conservative support because he is against all the stupid GAY/QUEER crap the Dems keep trying to pass . he supports the 2nd amendi , and is against genocide .

since he is a longshot from winning the GOP nomination in 08 , he would make a perfect choice for VP .

Beowulf
10-10-2005, 02:03 AM
I'm full Hispanic and I support Tancredo, beat that!
I'm glad you said that. Give some proof that even if the GOP turns on illegals, the vote issue wouldn't change.
Tancredo wants to do what's right, NOT what's politcally correct. As things stand, he is the only GOP I would support. I won't vote for a candidate the continues to support the current Bush agenda on Mexico and pandering to other countries.

Kathy29
10-10-2005, 08:53 AM
I'd definitely vote for Tancredo and hope that he does run. Actually, I'd like to see him and some other sympathetic politicians on both sides form a third party that will give serious meaning to the word elections.

Lazarus
10-10-2005, 09:02 AM
...Which is what worries Republican officials. They desperately want to avoid giving offense to the Hispanic vote, the rapidly growing -- and already the largest -- cohort in play in American politics....So is everyone openly declaring that the Hispanic population in this country are overwhelmingly in support of ILLEGAL immigration - of flooding this nation with "their people"?... Are the Republicans officially going to wink at this invasion for the sake of Re-election (as dprasse as so clearly stated it above) disregarding the long-term disasterous effects of ignoring the security of our borders?

If this is the position of the Republican Party then I say its time Conservatives - true Conservatives - took control of this party in no uncertain terms... Go Tancredo!!!

uncommon1
10-11-2005, 11:24 AM
LULAC and LaRaza, two of the socialistic hispanican organizations want to allow all kinds of illegals to come into the country. They want the numbers and have no allegiance to the United States. Sure, they'll say they are and they'll argue, but it's just like libs who say they support the troops but not the president or the war on terror. They want to have it both ways. My guess is that as the criminal aliens work their way into our country, and as crime continues to increase, we'll one day see a revolt, but will it then be too late?

Lazarus
10-12-2005, 08:29 AM
Unless the voters of this country make this a major political issue and send appropriate reps to Washington, this nation is doomed to collapse just as Rome did - possibly in my lifetime...

Beowulf
10-12-2005, 10:38 AM
Unless the voters of this country make this a major political issue and send appropriate reps to Washington, this nation is doomed to collapse just as Rome did - possibly in my lifetime...

Which is why if Tancredo isn't the GOP nominee, and I doubt he will be, I will vote Constitutionalist before I vote for "more of the same" or for a Liberal.