Church of England:US Should Apologize to Muslims

[Patriot Heart]

More free advice from Brits :hahaha:



Tooley: Anglican Bishops' Report on Terrorism Rooted in British Prejudice


By Jim Brown
October 3, 2005

(AgapePress) - A committee of bishops commissioned by the Church of England recently issued a report responding to the Iraq war and the war on terror. A Protestant renewal group in America is dismissing the report as "absurd."

The five Anglican bishops suggested that Christians should apologize to Muslims for the U.S.-British invasion of Iraq and the subsequent overthrow of dictator Saddam Hussein. The report -- entitled "Countering Terrorism: Power, Violence and Democracy Post 9/11" -- includes a 13-point schedule of "Christian principles" in response to the threat of terrorism, in which the writers call for states to "understand" the perspective of their terrorist antagonists. The September 19 report also alleges that U.S. evangelical Christians promoted and facilitated the war in Iraq because of their purported belief that the United States has a manifest destiny for military conquest.

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Tooley notes that by some counts, there are more mosque-going Muslims in Great Britain than there are church-going Anglicans.

http://headlines.agapepress.org/archive/10/32005e.asp

[CzechPrince]

There are more practicing vegans in England than Anglicans, so I doubt the British feel this way, esp. after the London bombings.

[HomeschoolrsRUs]

The five Anglican bishops suggested that Christians should apologize to Muslims for the U.S.-British invasion of Iraq and the subsequent overthrow of dictator Saddam Hussein.

:hahaha: ... This is satire, right? :uhh:

[Eagle1]

this is unexpected, and here i am waiting for the archbishop of canterbury to denounce the ECUSA for gay clergy/bishops

and here the anglican church comes out with this nutball report.
:djd:

[Rink]

Maybe next time they'll advoce Christians need to apologize to Muslims for the Muslim invasion of Europe and for the crusades that followed afterwards pushing those self-same muslim invaders who tried to forcibly make everyone Muslims Out of Europe too?

Better yet maybe those Bishops need to just make All Christians apologize for resisting Muslim religious conversions and ask that all Christians give up their religion and convert to Islam just to 'please' the muslims.

[DeclinetoState]

Another church I'm glad I don't belong to.

[Lazarus]

Is this the same Church of England which was recently reported as having a majority percentage of its Vicars who publicly admit to NOT believing in God?

So let's recap, shall we boys and girls... A religious organization which was formerly a Christian Church but has now has "evolved" to Atheism, is calling for Christians to apologize to the world's largest organized Cult of Death...

I think this is what we call a NON-story... The Church of England has become an irrelavent joke...

[dPrasse]

Tooley notes that by some counts, there are more mosque-going Muslims in Great Britain than there are church-going Anglicans.

So there are more hate mongering terrorists in training in England than there are Christians in England already ? Why worry about Iraq , the Mussies can have England ... and France ...

[Lazarus]

So there are more hate mongering terrorists in training in England than there are Christians in England already ? Why worry about Iraq , the Mussies can have England ... and France ...The Muslims have become Europe's Mexicans... They are flooding into Europe at about the same rate that illegal immigrants are pouring into the US...

[PaulRevere]

The leftists have taken over the Church of England just like they have taken over most other insitutions.

Self-loathing defeatist wimps like these should just convert to Islam now and get it over with.

[queue]

By all means, those five Anglican bishops can go over to Iraq and apologize to the terrorists that are blowing up Iraqi day laborers, Iraqi police, Iraqi military, Iraqi markets, and shooting Iraqi teachers. When they are kidnapped and threatened to have their heads cut off, the coalition forces will not do anything to help these bishops since we would not want to offend those terrorists by trying to rescue (or help in any way) the bishops.

[Wolfcounsel]

Those Anglican clowns need to do something constructive, like choking lots of chickens. It might stem the growth of the bird flu.

[UnkHiram]

Someone needs to remind these five clowns that we kicked their sorry butt out of America over two hundred years ago. It is clowns like this that remind us WHY we are not English.

[DesertFox]

This is a truly worrying development. I'm going to get right on it, right after I brush my teeth, take a dump, shave the dog, mow the lawn, tune the carburetor, paint the house, walk the ferret, ogle the neighbor's wife, take a spin around the block, eat some more tacos, drink another Dr Pepper, smoke a cigar, visit my grandkids, clean the drains, belch, fart, take a nap ... -- not necessarily in that order.

[aaron11]

Here goes,

I truly apologize to the Muslims in all the world for having to be Muslim and being so stupid as to follow a religion of death and self-destruction. A religion that teaches their children hate and dis-respect for all non-believers, women "even their own mothers, sisters", and keeps these people form ever reaching their true potential, especially young girls who are raped and immediately killed for having disgraced their family by being raped, as well as the youth's that are seduced into believing that committing suicide is not only heroic, but will ensure their ascension into a heaven that does not exist for them, I am sorry they just don't get it...truly...

[Lazarus]

...ogle the neighbor's wife...Yeah? What's she look like?;)

...eat some more tacos, drink another Dr Pepper...Now you're talkin!!! Maybe that's the problem with the Church of England - They need more junk food in their diet...

The Church of England needs to re-aquaint themselves with Jesus Christ, clean up their own house, and leave our business to us...

[Bluemoon_Rising]

Bluemoon tenders his apology: :finger:

[SgtComic]

This is so...so....er....ridiculous I'm not even sure how to respond:question:

I wonder if the Church of England thinks we should have been kinder and tried to understand the Nazis too....

[markus3622]

Honestly, who would have thought these so called "Christians" would be anti-war? Next thing you know, they'll be beseeching people to love thy neighbor and preaching concern for the poor. Bloody heretics!

[Wyatt_Junker]

Honestly, who would have thought these so called "Christians" would be anti-war? Next thing you know, they'll be beseeching people to love thy neighbor and preaching concern for the poor. Bloody heretics!

Love thy neighbor (http://www.freeconservatives.com/vb/showthread.php?p=339994#post339994).

[SmellyFed]

Until European panderers realize that the US is a nation built on rugged individualism, they'll continue to flail away and never strike a chord with appeals such a this.

After all these years, they still don't understand what makes America tick.

[markus3622]

They're not supposed to be understanding what "makes America tick". They're taking a position based on their understanding of the teachings of Jesus.

[SmellyFed]

Their position-claims fall on deaf ears.

[Rink]

They arent interested in what makes America 'tick' all they're interested in is pulling America into the amoral Socialistic morass that they feel is a more 'civilized' way of life that they are living in than ever bothering with understanding the 'rugged individualism' and that 'cowboy mentality' they Feel has been the root of every problem in the world (according to their socialistic mindset).

So they'll do their utmost to drag America kicking and screaming along with them into their socialistic form of govt, or try to convince the majority of American politicians that the EU's form of govt is far superior to America's own.

[markus3622]

So are you saying that Christianity is inherently socialistic and anti-american? I've not heard that before.

[Bluemoon_Rising]

They're not supposed to be understanding what "makes America tick". They're taking a position based on their understanding of the teachings of Jesus.

They've miserably failed at both. They aren't Christians; they're socialists slugs, murderers and tyrants.

[markus3622]

They've miserably failed at both. They aren't Christians; they're socialists slugs, murderers and tyrants.

That's a bit harsh to describe the Church of England as murderers and tyrants. You might have been right in the 16th century with Henry VIII, but right now, they're the epitome of "turn the other cheek" Christianity. Just because they disagree with you on the war, doesn't make them non-Christians or socialist slugs. In fact, the CofE is often called the "Conservative party at prayer"

[Bluemoon_Rising]

The Church of England is apostate: accusing innocence, defending evil. They’re liars and whores too.

[markus3622]

Isn't every church apostate next to the other Church? Liars and whores is a bit of a stretch.

To me, the Church of England represents what it best about Christianity - the kind of non-dogmatic Christianity, in fact, that gave us the likes of Locke and Burke.

[DoctorDoom]

To me, the Church of England represents what it best about Christianity ...And we should give weight to the uniformed babblings of an atheist troll because?

... the kind of non-dogmatic Christianity, in fact, that gave us the likes of Locke and Burke."Non-dogmatic Christianity" is an oxymoron. And do you believe that the churches in the time of Locke and Burke were the apostate spiritual mausoleums of our day?

[markus3622]

Of course the Church of England has changed since the 17th and 18th century (that's what churches do), but I'm not aware the general principles have changed. It was William Wilberforce who campaigned against the slave trade in the 19th century - a feather in the cap there for the CofE. It allowed women priests to be ordained - again, a good thing.

[Patriot Heart]

To me, the Church of England represents what it best about Christianity - the kind of non-dogmatic Christianity, in fact, that gave us the likes of Locke and Burke.

What a hilarious comment. The Church of England today writes it's own rules at will, with total disregard either for the original Church or the Bible.

[markus3622]

...with total disregard either for the original Church or the Bible.

Any evidence for that? <!-- / message --><!-- sig -->

[CzechPrince]

Any evidence for that? <!-- / message --><!-- sig -->

Basic history: Henry VIII breaking off from Holy Mother Church, what other evidence do you need? Needless to say, his reasonings for breaking off were pathetic.

[markus3622]

There's a nice can of worms you've opened!

No, seriously, I'm sure Henry VIII's reasons were creating the Church of England were political, but he was also buying into a popular religious movement of the time. Equally, you'll find political decisions being made by the Vatican right throughout history.

The point I was trying to make, is that you have a group of people, who have studied the bible for years, almost certainly more than any member of this board - respected theologians - who came to a different decision on the war on Iraq. You will understand this CP, as Pope John Paul II came out against the war, based on his equally deep understanding of the teachings of Jesus.

The fact that JP II and many, many Christians opposed the war on Iraq, doesn't make them non-Christians. It just means they understand Jesus' works differently than many on this board.

[DoctorDoom]

Kid, you're clueless about Christianity. Quit while you're merely behind.

[CzechPrince]

There's a nice can of worms you've opened!

Eh, whatever.

No, seriously, I'm sure Henry VIII's reasons were creating the Church of England were political,

but he was also buying into a popular religious movement of the time. Equally, you'll find political decisions being made by the Vatican right throughout history.

They were entirely political. He wanted the wealth of the monastaries and churches in england all under him, and he wanted as many divorces as he wanted, against church law, and for all the wrong reasons. Henry VIII was a very devout Catholic prior to all this, named, "Defender of the faith."

The point I was trying to make, is that you have a group of people, who have studied the bible for years, almost certainly more than any member of this board - respected theologians - who came to a different decision on the war on Iraq. You will understand this CP, as Pope John Paul II came out against the war, based on his equally deep understanding of the teachings of Jesus.

The fact that JP II and many, many Christians opposed the war on Iraq, doesn't make them non-Christians. It just means they understand Jesus' works differently than many on this board.

I can agree with that.

[omegatrump]

The Church of England is apostate: accusing innocence, defending evil. They’re liars and whores too.

The Church of England is indeed Apostate, right along with the members of the World Council of Churches, and all that embrace the same evil loving mentality.

God is not mocked by these miscreants, The position they take on the issues is mockery of their own feigned faith. A faith that does not have it's origin in the Gospel.

[CzechPrince]

I know the Catholic Church is not part of it, but I'm just curious as to why the World Council of Churches is evil?

[DoctorDoom]

All Councils of Churches are leftist, liberal churchianity at its most shameless. The RCC is to be commended for not aligning itself with those apostates.

[markus3622]

I know the Catholic Church is not part of it, but I'm just curious as to why the World Council of Churches is evil?

Yup, I would like to know what makes the World Council of Churches so evil as well.

[Peachdiane]

The WCC has always been involved in politics. Not to mention open, shameless, heathen worship and gross sexual vulgarity. The Assemblies are dominated by the liberal left, notably homosexuality and feminism agendas.

WCC makes no distinction between the cup of the Lord and the cup of devils. In fact, one of their major goals continues to be the visible unity of the church. JUST ONE CUP, into which would be poured paganism disguised by scripture taken out of context. Don't forget how they reached out to Muslims right after 9-11. it was a slap in the face.

BTW, Rome is prepared to send certain representatives to Zimbabwe for a little meeting with the organizer to discuss the way forward.

True Bible Christians will not join the World Council of Churches....

[markus3622]

Do you have any examples of the WCC following an anti-biblical agenda?

[Peachdiane]

All Councils of Churches are leftist, liberal churchianity at its most shameless. The RCC is to be commended for not aligning itself with those apostates.

Interestingly, this PDF file (http://www.wcc-coe.org/wcc/what/ecumenical/8thjointworkinggroup.pdf) contains a JOINT WORKING GROUP
Between the RCC and the WCC.

From page 10:

A warm invitation has been offered by the WCC to the RCC to participate in the next world mission conference planned for May 2005 in Athens. An equally warm response from the PCPCU has led to a series of meetings to cooperate in preparing this important meeting. The conference theme is “Come, Holy Spirit, Heal and Reconcile!”. Such joint preparation is enhancing collaboration between the WCC and the RCC in this significant global gathering that will focus on healing and reconciliation in our world.

[Peachdiane]

Do you have any examples of the WCC following an anti-biblical agenda?

For starters, right on their homepage. (http://www.wcc-coe.org/wcc/who/index-e.html) Just for fun, let's take a gander at their doctrinal position:

"The World Council of Churches is a fellowship of Churches which confess the Lord Jesus Christ as God and Saviour according to the Scriptures and therefore seek to fulfill together their common calling to the glory of the one God, Father, Son and Holy Spirit."

And now, from the History page:

"Since the World Council of Churches is not itself a church, it passes no judgment upon the sincerity with which member churches accept the basis."

Tell me how one can reconcile the two. Any church can sign the doctrinal basis whether or not they are sincere.

Plus, WCC accepts liberal churches who do not accept the Trinity. That goes against their "doctrine" statement right there. There's your anti-biblical proof. How can anyone claim to be biblical Christian who denies the Trinity?

[markus3622]

Do you know any member churches that explicitly reject the trinity?

[Timberwolf]

They're not supposed to be understanding what "makes America tick". They're taking a position based on their understanding of the teachings of Jesus.
Well they've failed miserably at one of the clearest directives from Christ which is "to resist evil". That does NOT mean passively poo-pooing what these pusbucket muslims do in the name of their "god". It means actively fighting evil in all shapes and forms.

[DoctorDoom]

Do you know any member churches that explicitly reject the trinity?The most infamous of the lot is Unitarian Universalism.

[markus3622]

The most infamous of the lot is Unitarian Universalism.

But they're not members. You can check it out in this link

http://www.wcc-coe.org/wcc/who/mch-e.html

[DeclinetoState]

Read this (http://news.scotsman.com/entertainment.cfm?id=2168022005) before you apologize to any Muslim--or encourage anyone else to do so.

[grannygirl]

Makes me thankful for 2 things. I'm not English and I don't belong to that church. I'm around stupid people enough as it is.

[DoctorDoom]

But they're not members. You can check it out in this linkAll right, I'll accept that. I never bothered researching the WCC. The UUs do call themselves a church, but not Christian, which might be the reason. There are Web pages where the UUs have expressed unity with the WCC/NCC on issues such as Iraq, but evidently they either weren't invited to join or refused the invitation. The local UU "church" is involved with the area CC, which probably led to my conclusion.

IAC, your point.

As for what the WCC's member churches believe, who knows? I have neither the time for nor the interest in checking out their doctrines.