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markus3622
10-16-2005, 09:06 AM
The truth about global warming

John M. Wallace tried to steer Al Gore away from global warming.
The year was 1994 and the vice president was convinced rising temperatures were responsible for recent floods in the Mississippi River Valley.

He invited Wallace, a distinguished climate researcher from the University of Washington, to join a small group of scientists for a breakfast discussion in Washington, D.C.

As Gore sipped Diet Coke, Wallace nervously left the eggs on his own plate untouched.

"It was one of the more awkward audiences I've ever had," he recalled with a chuckle. "I was trying, in a polite way, to tell him he was coming on too strong about global warming."

Like many of his peers, Wallace wasn't convinced greenhouse gases were altering the world's climate, and he thought Gore was straining scientific credibility to score political points.

More than a decade later, Wallace still won't blame global warming for any specific heat wave, drought or flood — including the recent devastating hurricanes. But he no longer doubts the problem is real and the risks profound.

"With each passing year the evidence has gotten stronger — and is getting stronger still."

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The result is a convergence of opinion rarely seen in a profession where attacking each other's work is part of the process. Every major scientific body to examine the evidence has come to the same conclusion: The planet is getting hotter; man is to blame; and it's going to get worse.
"There's an overwhelming consensus among scientists," said UW climate researcher David Battisti, who also was dubious about early claims of greenhouse warming.

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/nationworld/2002549346_globewarm11.html

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Interesting article here. The point I picked up is that it was reasonable to be skeptical about climate change. Environmentalists have had a tendancy to cry wolf in the past on a few issues (global cooling being perhaps the most famous). However, as the evidence has mounted, it's become clear that anthropogenic climate change is a real problem. There is a scientific consensus on climate change, and only a handful of "skeptics". Nearly all the major scientific bodies concur.

It goes over some of the material that's been covered on FC. One of the major points is that "skeptics" have largely been funded by big business who don't publish in scientific journals. Because of their financial clout, they've appeared to be representative of a large constituency, when in fact, they represent a viewpoint barely found in the scientific community.

The bottom line - it's reasonable to be skeptical at first, but by now, the evidence is overwhelming. When you get to the stage when you're having to quote "freelance scientists" and repeat debunked ideas, it's time to admit that perhaps, the scientists are correct.

Timberwolf
10-16-2005, 11:58 AM
The same, self-righteous zealots who are warning us with "gloom & doom" concerning global warming today, are the same self-righteous zealots who were warning us of the coming ice age less than 30 years ago.

Their credibility has fallen below zero.

markus3622
10-17-2005, 02:55 AM
Well, if you'd read the article, you'd realise that it's quite the opposite.

Timberwolf
10-19-2005, 12:24 AM
I'm speaking from personal experience...when I was in high school, about all we heard - besides, "what if the Ruskies launch a 1st strike?" - was how we were heading for a second ice age because of "global cooling"...

Aric2000
10-19-2005, 12:37 AM
Global warming caused by man is complete and utter BS, total and utter NONSENSE!!!

Want a grant, blame global warming on man, don't blame it on man, and you don't get a grant.

Mixing politics with science gets nothing but garbage.

http://www.clearlight.com/~mhieb/WVFossils/greenhouse_data.html

http://www.clearlight.com/~mhieb/WVFossils/ice_ages.html#anchor2108263

Geologically, when temperatures rise, THEN CO2 levels rise, WHY? because as it gets WARMER, MORE life develops, and therefore releases MORE CO2.

It isn't BECAUSE of CO2 that the temperature is rising, it is because of a rising temperature that CO2 is rising.

I will NOT argue the fact that the earth has warmed slightly, and is looking to warm a bit more, but we are STILL coming out of a mini iceage, why climatoligists have not gotten with Geologists and paleontologists is BEYOND me, because the goelogical history and PROOF of those assertions is in the geologic record.

Just peek around that site, it explains things in a very easy to understand way, it is one of the less technical site for debunking the junk science of man caused global warming that I have seen.

Global warming is NOT caused by man, when .28%, YES, POINT 28 percent, of the total gasses considered "greenhouse" are put out by man, you need to give the scientists screaming this nonsense a MAJOR reality check.

.28% is barely measurable, let alone cause for alarm and catastrophic BS predictions.

Keith J
10-19-2005, 07:53 AM
Do not forget that water being the largest component of the GHG inventory, it also has a divergent effect on tropospheric temperatures. Mass transport of water vapor from the troposphere to the lower stratosphere is THE LARGEST heat flux to out space, our ONLY heat sink.

The problem with most "Chicken Little" climatologists is they have not a single clue of thermodynamics or heat transfer sciences. That is like a pharmacist being completely ignorant of chemistry.

Great points, Aric2000. And even better link.