A Bush victory in Iraq would "devastate" Dem Party!

[Westfield Jimmy]

And.....that is EXACTLY WHY the democratic party leadership must do all that is necessary to have America pull-out, be it by accusing our soldiers of torture, ..or by saying that America cannot win, & even by falsely reporting that most of the insurgents are iraqi, ..which we know is not true!

It is THEY, ..the leadership of the Democratic party that is making an issue out of the war in Iraq, ..NOT the general population of America's citizens.

The VAST majority of Americans TRUST their military commanders, the soldiers, & president Bush's direction, ..but the MEDIA wants the american people to believe that its the citizens that are all up in arms over the Iraqi war!

This IS just one prime example of MANY of the scandalous MEDIA, & their dishonesty; ..as THEY are nothing more than an extension of the Democratic party which is to re-empower the democratic party which HAS been in DECLINE for years, & to re-establish "institutionalized" liberalism, & to IMPOSE it upon the lives of the MAJORITY.

A victory in Iraq, ..be it in 1 year, or in a number of years would vindicate Bush, & the republican party; & confirm the fact that the democratic party leadership has ALWAYS INVESTED in losing wars, & CONDEMNING AMERICA at EVERY OPPORTUNITY .."IF THEY BELIEVE IT CAN EMPOWER THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY" !

Victory in Iraq, ..or ANYWHERE IS NOT AN OPTION FOR THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY, ..unless we have a democratic party president as we did with Bill Clinton who when as PRESIDENT actually stated himself that there WAS a link to terrorists, & Sadaam Hussein, ..The belief that Sadaam DID possess WMD's, & needed to be ousted from power; but of course Bill took the easy way out, ..he just ignored terrorism by devoting his time to his legacy, & social giveaway programs so the liberals could immortalize his tollerance, his fight for human (criminal) rights, his acceptance & tollerance of homosexuality, & focus groups to be seen as victims!

The John Kerry's, Ted kennedy's, Harry Reid's, Nancy Pelosi's INSULT our intelligence, .."Do THEY really believe that the American majority has forgotten the things said by the democratic party, & by THEIR own very words when Bill Clinton was president??

Has the manstream media at large, ..ever seriously ATTEMPTED to remind the American news viewers of those facts, ..of course not because they think EVERYBODY is stupid, & gullible, ...except they themselves however!

Even imagining a Sadaam Hussein aquital will be devastating to the democratic party that has an old friendly liberal whacko ally defending him in Ramsey Clark, ..what the hell, Clark is only repeating the very SAME things the Democratic party leadership has been saying that Sadaam himself has been saying, ..which is Bush is a liar, Bush is a murderer, the Iraqi war is illegal, America broke international law, America engages in torture, ..& that Bush himself should be charged with war crimes!

This kind of behavior by the democratic party will ALWAYS be REMEMBERED BY THE MAINSTREAM VOTING MAJORITY.

So...those who believe the democratic party has gotten mileage out of their TREASONOUS words, & accusations, ..are going to be in for a big surprise as the democratic party STILL has not judged the voting majority correctly, ..just as THEIR phoney exit polls that showed Kerry winning the majority of the votes on 04' election day!

The modern Democratic Party is imploding, & out of control...& saying the most assinine things, & making even more ridiculous charges, & even "eating" their own as they are with regard to Hillary who now is even being attacked by these nutcase liberal whackos herself.

And yet....they still are in denial, & believe that by saying, & making anti-American comments & charges against their own country day after day, & lying about facts is going to actually put them back in charge of the the Congress, & the Whitehouse, and then IF pressed by the media to explain their charges, ..they in like fashion AVOID, & REFUSE to answer the question, ..or even have the gall to say that their words were mis-quoted by republicans!!

Huh huh, ..IMO THEY are F-ed, & THEY did it to themselves, & will ALWAYS be remembered as the party that is for surrender, defeatism, pacifism, & blame America first.

Thank God these bas*tards are NOT in control of the whitehouse, ..& the congress anymore; & my insticts tell me that it just might be a cold day in hell, in spite of what the media wants people to believe,... before they ever recapture the trust of the majority who really see them as nothing but contemptable, & haters of all that is good, just & correct! :clap2:

[The_Sonarman]

Strangely enough, this occured to me at lunch with the Warlord today, and I said exactly that to him. The Dems have to be absolutely panicked of "win" in Iraq, and that "win" being creditted to the RNC. They don't see that as a "win" for the free people of Iraq.

That's Democrat Politicians for you. They don't care about anything but their own power.

[ldb83]

It's kind of difficult to accuse one type of politician of something of which another type of politician could NOT be accused. In other words, politicians in general care about their own power. Since they are career politicians, their lives pretty much depend on doing whatever will give them power or retain it. You can't really distinguish Dems and Reps on something like that.

"Victory in Iraq" is in the eye of the beholder. Plenty of democrats and liberals feel we have already lost the war, and nothing from this point on will really achieve "victory". Our only goal now is to minimize our losses. Our initial justification for war was never substantiated and people on both sides have described what we've done since then as a messy and unorganized process. On the other hand, Bush himself has already made the declaration that we've been victorious at war, and now all that's left is some hard work to establish a democracy. Some people believe that. Just because the president gives a speech and calls us "victorious" doesn't really mean anything. Not in this type of a war anyway.

The democrats whose agenda it is to make the country look like losers no matter what probably won't be devastated by the "news" that we've been "victorious". Rather, they will hold onto their notion of the war as something that we lost a long time ago.

[The_Sonarman]

Minimize losses? I'd love to. I'm a vet of another war and I hate the injury or loss of even one young life in battle. If you quizzed the board, I have little doubt you'd find the same attitude of all the veterans here at this site, if not veterans in general.

Yes, "we" have been victorious in that we've removed Saddam Hussein from off the Iraqi people's back. We're "in" Iraq now to attempt to give the Iraqi people time to hold on to their country, before another murderous bastard takes it away from them again. Should we give the country back to Saddam?

Rather than myopically concentrate on "Iraq", perhaps it would be instructive as to what is being attempted in "this big mess" as you claim it to be.

The strategy in play goes beyond Iraq. Once that country is stabilized and running on it's own, we leave. In fact, we leave when the Iraqi authority decides for us to leave. It is their choice, not ours. We are not there as conquerors. In fact, a "win" isn't a Republican or Democrat win..... it's a "win" for the free Iraqi people. What I find disgusting is Democratic Politicians whining and trying to turn this into a Republican "loss". Democrat Politicians are trying to make this a political gain. The RNC is not. BTW, I am not a Republican or a Democrat. I am a Libertarian and a realist, and I'd prefer we weren't there shedding our blood. The question is do we attempt to rectify the entire Middle East, or leave it a mess and get another "shock" such as 9/11 in 10 or 20 years, this time being a thermonuclear device detonated in New York, or Washington, or London?

By all means let's sit on our collective asses and wait for the Iranians to let fly with the nukes. I'd rather take a shot at toppling that government peacefully. If Iraq can be stabilized and free, it is likely the people of the surrounding nations just might start pushing their own governments for the same freedom, if not toppling those governments. That isn't going to happen with a bunch of loser Democratic Politicians whining about a second Vietnam, which this most certainly is not. I was in that "other" war, and this isn't Vietnam.

Historically, there is a similar "thing" that happened in Poland, when the labor unions were granted just a little bit of freedom by the USSR (Solidarnos, etc.). The problem with "a little bit of freedom" is..... a little bit isn't enough. People want more, and they were emboldened to demand more. It took a decade or so, but communist USSR crumbled into the dustbin of history. All that started with a good hard push by the Poles in Poland, and Ronald Reagan pushing hard as President of the US.

Will something similar happen in the Middle East? I don't know, but I sure admire POTUS and Condi Rice for that vision, and for giving it a try. The alternative is more decades of ignorance and misery for the people of those countries.... a certain breeding ground for more religious zealots bent on exterminating everyone who isn't just like them. They would even get around to attacking and butchering their own "moderates" as being apostates.... it doesn't just stop when "The West" is destroyed.

I admire the young troops even more for doing the dirty work of attempting to make it work.

So..... what do you want? Do you want to wait around until the Iranians nuke Israel, or Germany, or the US? Wait for Osama's heir apparent to finish off whatever their next major planned attack is? If we do, we may well have to let fly with the SLBM city busters and incinerate most of Iran into nuclear glass holes in the ground, or that quasi lawless area on the Pakistani border where the terrorist clowns like to hole up.

I'd rather we try techniques that are actually "building" something, rather than incinerating the world. That is exactly what "we" are doing in Iraq.

The "Liberals" and "Liberal Democratic Politicians" are doing what they do best which is whine and complain about "a problem", rather than doing anything about it. Don't give me any of that crap about what "Bush did or didn't do". I'm sick of hearing it, and it's complete BS.

While I'm on the subject, "Liberals" and "Liberal Democratic Politicians" are whiners, not "doers". They aren't even working thieves, who go out and steal from others at risk of prison and punishment. Oh no..... "Liberals" do their thieving the modern way, by sitting on their fat ass and taxing the crap out of the "doers" and productive parts of society, all the while whining "it isn't enough", and "you aren't doing enough for 'me' ". I have nothing but contempt for the entire lot.

Potus has more Foreign Intel and Information than any of us has, including most of Congress. Further, Potus is elected to deal with just this kind of foreign policy problems. Con-gress is not. That's why he/she needs to be a moral person, because "he/she" sometimes isn't at liberty to disclose "why" certain foreign policy actions (which include war) are happening. At those times, all you can do is "trust" an honest POTUS to be doing The Right Thing.

I'd like to see the lives of the Iraqis, and the Jordanians, and the Syrians improved, so that the misery that breeds terrorists is minimized or done away with. They can have their religion.... they just don't need to be inflicting masses of pain, dismemberment and death on uninvolved innocents.