Stan "Tookie" Williams

[pepsipaul]

Pretty much in the books boys and girls, Tookie Williams will be put to death at 12:01 tonight. Finally the man that heartlessly killed 4 innocent people is getting what he deserves. All the protestors can stop using the Nobel Peace Nomination excuse, which by the way is nothing (It doesn't take much to get nominated...).

[ldb83]

I'm kind of tired of people who nearly applaud the death penalty. Why not show any remorse that sadly someone else must die? You can support the death penalty without having to smile with satisfaction when the sentence is carried out. In fact, that type of an approach might really increase the face value of your pro-execution argument.

Being happy about it is such an archaic lynching mob attitude, imo. Both the sentence and the crimes are tragic, imo.

[Wolfcounsel]

"I'm kind of tired of people who nearly applaud the death penalty." --Idb83

Taking out the trash is the highest form of public service, and worthy of a big hand, three cheers, and a thousand Attaboys.

[pepsipaul]

The sentence is great for me and the victim's family, the man that killed 4 innocent people is finally going to pay for what he did. I'm not showing any remorse for Tookie Williams, he's a 4 time convicted murderer that showed no remorse for the people he killed. A man of that status doesn't deserve to live nor does he deserve sympathy for what he did.

[Elgalad]

I'm kind of tired of people who nearly applaud the death penalty. Why not show any remorse that sadly someone else must die? You can support the death penalty without having to smile with satisfaction when the sentence is carried out. In fact, that type of an approach might really increase the face value of your pro-execution argument.

Being happy about it is such an archaic lynching mob attitude, imo. Both the sentence and the crimes are tragic, imo.

I won't deign to speak for everyone's opinions on this subject, but I personally Will smile with satisfaction when the Death Sentence is carried out on the Murderer Stanley Williams. Not because I am overjoyed that this brutal thug is dying as you see it, but because Justice is being enforced.

It may be true that there are some who might actually find pleasure in the death of the Murderer Stanley Williams, but I believe they are a very small minority. Most folks who are pleased that this Sentence is finally being carried out, I believe feel the same way I do; that Justice is being served.

Feeling satisfaction over the victory of Justice over brutality has Nothing to do with feeling joy at the death of another human being. You are the one who seems to be confusing these emotions, I'm afraid. In any case I don't worry about the 'face value' of Capital Punishment. I just Know that it is the Right punishment in cases like this.

I do feel remorse that the Murderer Stanley Williams must die.The remorse I feel is that he has not atoned for his crimes or asked his victims' families for forgiveness. But most importantly of all, it does not appear that he has asked God for forgiveness. He has demonstrated repeatedly that he is in a state of denial, and refuses to face the consequences of what he has done.

The life we have on this earth is a gift from God, and those who choose to steal that gift from others as Williams did, must in turn forfeit their own. But this life is only temporary and it is NOTHING when compared to Eternity. I feel remorse because I believe that the moment this man draws his last breath, it will not be the end of his suffering, but only the beginning.

The Murderer Stanley Williams will soon be facing a higher judge than any on this world. I pray he is ready.


-Elgalad

[Wolfcounsel]

"Feeling satisfaction over the victory of Justice over brutality has Nothing to do with feeling joy at the death of another human being." --Elgalad

You murder a human being, your membership in the human race is terminated, and I don't care how much you atone for your deeds. You are a bag of trash waiting to be taken out, and the sooner you are taken out, the better.

[Elgalad]

You murder a human being, your membership in the human race is terminated, and I don't care how much you atone for your deeds. You are a bag of trash waiting to be taken out, and the sooner you are taken out, the better.

I usually have a bad tendency to use 10 words when one would do.. Wolfcounsel got to the heart of my message in a lot less time. :thankyou:



-Elgalad

[Wolfcounsel]

You're welcome, Elgalad.

[Apollo5600]

I'm kind of tired of people who nearly applaud the death penalty.
I'm kind of tired of people who oppose the death penalty but approve of abortion.

[Apollo5600]

Tookie is now officially dead.

[Rink]

Good riddance.

[Wyatt_Junker]

*placing poker chips on eyelids*



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Who's in?

[Nutrider99]

I'm kind of tired of people who nearly applaud the death penalty. Why not show any remorse that sadly someone else must die? You can support the death penalty without having to smile with satisfaction when the sentence is carried out. In fact, that type of an approach might really increase the face value of your pro-execution argument.
Why not be happy? If he truly attoned, he is with his God. If he didn't, he is in Hell where he belongs. Regardless, the families of the people he MURDERED deserved and got justice. How many lives have been ruined by the gang that bastard created? No, the sun shines a little brighter on a world without him in it.

[jag]

Being happy about it is such an archaic lynching mob attitude, imo. Both the sentence and the crimes are tragic, imo.

Why?

[Kathy29]

We have no idea how many people Tookie Williams killed. All we know is he was convicted of four brutal murders. He claims innocence but bragged to others about the gurgling sounds Albert Owens made as he died.

Tookie Williams is not merely a murderer. He is a murderer who enjoyed it. I celebrate his death. Too bad it was over all too soon.

While Williams was in prison he was still a violent man. The periods of time he was described as peaceful and God Fearing were the periods of time he was in solitary confinement because of the attacks against other prisoners and guards.

While he was supposedly writing his children's books, while some nutcase was nominating him to for the Nobel Peace Prize, he was planning a prison escape in a transport bus where the bus would be bombed and everyone killed. Tookie Williams' hallmark was leaving no witnesses.

Yes, I celebrate his death.

Steve Lopez of the Los Angeles Times, in a supreme moment of idiocy said that he should have life in prison where he would be haunted by his deeds. I wonder how many death penalty inmates Mr. Lopez has met personally. I have met quite a few as a consultant to the defense specializing in death penalty cases and major crimes.

Murderers aren't haunted by their deeds. They relish the memories. They relive them over and over in extreme pleasure. The Ice Cream Truck killer murdered children and stuffed the bodies in his ice cream truck and sold ice cream to kids, kids he picked and chose to be his next victims. I saw him I was with him as he described killed children. He enjoyed it to the point where he ejaculated in his prison coveralls. He's still awaiting his sentence to be carried out.

William Bonin, the Freeway Killer has already been put to death. He enjoyed his crimes so much he relived them by endless writings over how good it felt to strangle the young boys. Haunted by deeds, I hardly think so. He described dumping the bodies along the freeways as carrying meat.

The death penalty is perhaps the only way to deprive these killers of their enjoyment.

We should all celebrate the deaths.

Tookie Williams was belligerant and defiant to the end.

You know what. I think the whole mish-mash of redemption was a concoction of death penalty opponents and gang members. It never happened. The whole book writing silliness came from the mind of the ghost writer who actually penned the books.

We have no loss in the likes of Tookie Williams.

Break out the champaigne.

[TotallyAtPeace]

Ok. I'll put it this way then: "I'm happy for him. This is obviously what he wanted. And if he's happy; then I'm happy" :whistle::whistle:

[Wyatt_Junker]

I wonder what homeboy ate for his last meal?

If he was smart he would have ordered a Happy Meal. They always get the order wrong, especially the toy selection. Then he could have kept sending it back until they got it right. Probably still be alive today.

[Patriot Heart]

Kathy, that was a pretty sobering post. Even though I agree with O'Reilly to a point, that locking them up foreever at hard labor in a theoretical prison isolated in Alaska somewhere, your comments on their sick ability to relive and enjoy their crimes dispells any notion that life in prison is a viable alternative, even if it is made miserable.

[Wyatt_Junker]

Kathy, that was a pretty sobering post. Even though I agree with O'Reilly to a point, that locking them up foreever at hard labor in a theoretical prison isolated in Alaska somewhere, your comments on their sick ability to relive and enjoy their crimes dispells any notion that life in prison is a viable alternative, even if it is made miserable.

Agreed. Kathy is a major dose of truth, a serum, to wall-eyed brainfried lib zombie disease. Inject a lib with Kathy29, and watch that strain of viral infection dry right up.

[ldb83]

Why?

I call it archaic because you read about the mob's cheering and celebration at someone's execution in ancient history literature.

Whether it's okay to penalize killing with killing is not an argument I want to make right now.

But there are some parts of justice that are unfortunate. It's unfortunate that any of it ever had to happen. It's sad that he had to have his life ended, the way his victims' lives were ended... prematurely.

But I find a lot of people's comments to be laced with "YAHHH!!! RARRR!! KILL HIM! KILL HIM! HE'S EVIL!!! WOOHOO!" You don't have to be happy about an execution to support the penalty. That's all I'm saying.

[Rink]

Personally I wish they'd just plain do away with the endless appeals process.

Once convicted without a shadow of a doubt, the murderers should be taken out and executed right after trial.

This was long overdue.

It shouldnt have lasted This long as it did.

Tookie had more rights, and was given more mercy than he ever did his victims.

[TechnoPrincess]

Personally I wish they'd just plain do away with the endless appeals process.

Once convicted without a shadow of a doubt, the murderers should be taken out and executed right after trial.

This was long overdue.

It shouldnt have lasted This long as it did.

Tookie had more rights, and was given more mercy than he ever did his victims.

I have to agree. It has gotten to the point where the convicts have more rights than the average citizen on the street. Take away thier TV's, take away their toys, put them in little cells and if they're sentanced to death give them one year of appeals and then it's over.

[Rink]

I wouldnt even give em a year, if convicted, execute them on the spot ASAP

[pepsipaul]

I wonder what homeboy ate for his last meal?

He didn't have a last meal, he chose not to.

[Elgalad]

But I find a lot of people's comments to be laced with "YAHHH!!! RARRR!! KILL HIM! KILL HIM! HE'S EVIL!!! WOOHOO!" You don't have to be happy about an execution to support the penalty. That's all I'm saying.
I can sympathize with how you feel to an extent. The thing is, I believe you are reading a lot more into the emotions of this event than actually exist. I don't think what you are really seeing is a lot of people overjoyed with the Death of an individual. Rather it is..

1) Relief that the issue has finally been settled.

2) Satisfaction in knowing that 'the System Works' and that noone can violate the Law which protects the rights of Every citizen without paying the consequences..

3) Elation in knowing that in this day and age, when nearly every other aspect of our institutions is under daily assault by self-designated Liberal social engineers who claim they know what is best for us all, nevertheless the core fundamentals of Rule of Law still prevail..

4) An affirmation that "Good" continues to triumph over "Evil".


You compared these emotions to those exhibited by executions in 'ancient history literature'. I don't know precisely what you are referring to, but I'll take a wild guess that you mean either 'Wild West Frontier Justice by the 'hangin' judge'' or perhaps 'Roman Colisseum Sports'.

Now those have both been given the Hollywood treatment and usually made to resemble nothing more than vigilante bloodlust, it's true. But an honest student of history would realize that the true reason behind the public's reaction to those events then was not so very different from that of capital punishment sentences today. And it was/is Not sick lust for violence or death, but rather a Need for public justice.

During Roman times, it is true that Many innocent people were killed for sport and others for unpopular beliefs (such as Christianity). But Most executions via arena were done to carry out death sentences against murderers and rapists. This is documented. The reason that the public was invited to witness them was not to sate the public bloodlust, but rather to show to All citizens of the Empire that the State was willing to enforce its laws. And this renewed the public's confidence in its leaders and its government.

As for our own Western Frontier Justice.. Aside from a much speedier verdict and sentence, it served virtually the same purpose as well; to reassure the public that Justice always prevails over lawlessness. As sparsely populated and spread out as settlements and towns were in the 1800's, it was absolutely Vital for the people living in them to believe that they had a government that could and Would protect them. When bandits and thugs invaded a town and overwhelmed the local law officers, Rangers and Marshals were sent to hunt them down and return them to answer for their crimes. And there were Federal Judges to hold trials for the offenders, convict the guilty, and execute the punishment on the condemned.

The debate over Capital Punishment will likely never be settled. There will always be some who mistakenly see it as the ultimate hypocrisy, and others who see it as the ultimate form of justice. But one thing is absolutely certain and cannot be refuted by either side: The convicted criminals who receive it can never harm an innocent again.


-Elgalad

[Republican_Legion]

Personally I wish they'd just plain do away with the endless appeals process.

Once convicted without a shadow of a doubt, the murderers should be taken out and executed right after trial.

This was long overdue.

It shouldnt have lasted This long as it did.

Tookie had more rights, and was given more mercy than he ever did his victims.

I agree, keeping them in jail and paying for the appeals and automatic appeals is fiscally irresponsible and a automatic execution after conviction is the most economicly sane thing to do . They also need to bring back hangings:grin: and make them public executions.

Even better have the executions held inside or outside the court with a $1.00 fee for the public to watch a scumbag die .

[DesertFox]

I'm kind of tired of people who nearly applaud the death penalty. I'm kinda tired of people who whine about how sad it all is. Yeah, it's sad. So sad that "It's so sad" doesn't need to be said. We all know it's sad. Sad. SAD.

Why not show any remorse that sadly someone else must die? Remorse over the removal of a cancer from the body of humanity? You can't be serious.

You can support the death penalty without having to smile with satisfaction when the sentence is carried out.Or not. Fact is, it's QUITE satisfying whenever a vicious thug departs this life.

Being happy about it is such an archaic lynching mob attitude, imo.But not iMo. And actually, there's nothing archaic about the lynch mob attitude. The Left has been exhibiting it for nigh on 40 years. Shouting people down. Beating people up. Behaving quite lynch-mobby. You should be proud.

Both the sentence and the crimes are tragic, imo.So the crime isn't any worse than the sentence. "Tragic." Not "the crimes were horrible, justice is awful in the sense of "awesome.'" It's all the same. Just let ole Took run around unfacing people with a shotgun and giggling as the life gurgles out of them.

Have you no sensing whatever for how ridiculous you come across?

[Tazeeyore]

Twenty years in Law Enforcement shows you a lot about criminal behavior and its consequences. I support the death penalty for people like Williams but that said I don't find it particularly amusing or something to crow about. It simply means the system worked in his case and it is over for everyone involved. Recently my neice was butchered by a 29 year old man in Florida. He hit her in the head with a hammer 6 times, cut her throat, stabbed her in both breasts, cut her abdomin open and knocked one of her eyes out. He claimed self defense. The problem with that thesis was that my Neice was still alive after all that..so he calls his mother to tell her what he did....then hit her in the head some more. By the way, she was 4 months pregnant with his child. Her 4 year old daughter lives here in Texas now with her grandparents and still asks when her mommy is coming home. He got life in prison without parole and I can live with that because he is 29 and will never see the world again outside a prison cell. But I won't leap with glee or gloat that he got what he deserved. Simply because the system worked in his case too.

Unfortunately some people deserve to be executed to protect society but it is nothing to be happy about or sorry for. And there are no escape proof prisons on this planet, and liberal judges often make fatal mistakes by releasing incorrigible individuals, until those problems are solved permanently.... I will continue to support the death penalty.

[Patriot Heart]

Taz I am so sorry for you and your family. What a heartbreaker. How did that scumbag avoid the death penalty in Florida? Prayers for you guys.

[Charity]

Taz I too am so sorry to hear what happened to your neice.

[Kathy29]

I am so sorry to hear about your niece too. That's just awful. It's too bad the man that did this didn't get the death penalty.

[Beowulf]

Taz, I too am sorry to hear that. Although you can live with "life w/o parole," I could not considering the brutality level of the crime.

[nene]

There are no words, Taz.

[The_Sonarman]

Hollyweird is turning Tookie into Nelson Mandela 2nd merely because he's black and a high profile criminal. That's the main reason Hollyweird turns a blind eye to the fact this thing was a monster.

I regret these monsters walk among us and inflict the pain they do. I see nothing else to do with them other than isolate them from "us" the rest of their natural lives, or offing them.

[DesertFox]

Tookie already old news.

Took, this toke's for you, you scum.

[Kathy29]

Clarence Allen was convicted of multiple murders and sentenced to life without possiblity of parole.

He escaped and killed twice more before he was caught. He is on death row awaiting execution.

What was that about life without the possibility of parole again?

[DeclinetoState]

Link to story about murder of Taz's niece (http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/orange/orl-mpelto2905nov29,0,4011716.story?coll=orl-news-headlines-orange).

[Kathy29]

Isn't that unbelievable! It's the victim's fault! Oh yes, sure, and he's innocent.

That's why we need the death penalty, so they can stop concentrating on how innocent they are. That's why Tookie's death is cheered. He can finally stop inflicting his I'm innocent act.

This is a tragedy on both sides... In itself that's enough to touch off the gag reflex. He KNOWS he's going to be fine. A kid lost her MOTHER, which isn't the fair trade off it's touted as being. He sacrificed. Well boo hoo hooEY.

Do you see why we need the death penalty and why this piece of worm turd should have gotten it? He can take his sacrifice when it's his turn in the barrel and shove it when Bubba with a woodie the size of Tookie William's left arm make him bride for the night.