Mike Gallagher and Duct Tape

[TechnoPrincess]

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As I was driving at lunch I happened upon the Mike Gallagher show. I haven't listened to him in years since he equated what President Bush did by joining the Air National Guard with Clinton's actions during the Vietnam war. Well they were talking about some school bus driver that had gotten in trouble because she taped a 5 year old's mouth shut with duct tape. What appalled me was that not only did Mike support the actions of the bus driver, but so did most of his callers. I was shocked!
Heaven help any bus driver or teacher that EVER put anything over my child's mouth!!http://www.discussionforums.us/forum/images/smile/img21.gif My son is slightly asthmatic and has horrible reactions to certain adhesives. If someone did that to him, he would probably end up in the hospital from a severe reaction. Which would intern lead me to put someone else in the hospital from injuries....

Does anyone think this kind of behavior is acceptable?? I certainly don't know anyone who does....
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[jag]

Why did she tape the kids mouth?

[TechnoPrincess]

Why did she tape the kids mouth?

I missed that part. I would assume because the child was being loud.

[TechnoPrincess]

Just found a link: http://www.local10.com/news/5533282/detail.html?rss=mia&psp=news



DUNEDIN, Fla. -- School officials said a school bus driver could be fired for allegedly taping the mouth of a 5-year-old boy so he would stop talking.

The kindergartner told his parents the driver taped his mouth shut with duct tape. His parents then reported it to the Pinellas County Sheriff's Office.

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[jag]

For talking, yes I would be angy over that. Tape hurts.

[DesertFox]

I support the driver. If the kid has asthma problems, his folks should make sure everybody who might need to know does know.

I've sat on busses with loud brats. Once I almost punched out a mouthy teenager, settling for gripping his arm so hard that he cried. THEN he stfu, but until then he was making life miserable for everybody on the bus.

[TechnoPrincess]

There are only certain things I believe a teacher or administrator should ever put their hands on my child regarding. If I told my son's administrators every single thing that could possibly affect him I'd still be sitting there rattling thing off. And then for them to remember it...you're asking a lot. I would think BEFORE you do something like this the parents should have to approve the punishment. I know at my son's school they have a listing of all of the punishments they have and you have to sign off on them at the first day of school or setup a meeting with the Principal to discuss them.

And we're talking about a 5 year old, not a teenager.

[Wolfcounsel]

Bring back school paddling. Take the brat to the office with his parents present, administer three good pops with a paddle on his butt. Make sure there are kids witnessing the event. Kids who are too stupid to behave like good students can thank a couple of weenies for their crappy upbringing. Any bus driver or other clown who puts duct tape over any of my grandkids' mouths is going to be needing cosmetic mouth tape for a while. Then I'll take care of the grandchildish behavior via his parents.:flame:

[Peachdiane]

Normally I'd agree but for talking??? A warning should have been sufficient.

[Wolfcounsel]

"Normally I'd agree but for talking??? A warning should have been sufficient." --Peachdiane

For talking, I'm assuming the kid used words that would make a Sailor blush. Anything else, he needs to do some serious writing along the lines of "I will not...".

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Paddle the child, call the parents, etc. If he's too much of a troublemaker, ban him from the bus. But taping a five year old's mouth is child abuse and the bus driver should be in jail, fired from his job and never be allowed to work in a government school again.

[Timberwolf]

As I understand it, the kid was out of control and HAD been given PLENTY of warnings to "sit down and be quiet". He was creating an UNSAFE environment in a MOVING schoolbus. The driver is not to have his/her attention diverted from the road.

The driver was acting in the best interests of ALL the children IN HIS CARE.

[Pennville_Bill]

The driver was acting in the best interests of ALL the children IN HIS CARE.

That's when he should have pulled the bus over, rqdioed for back-up; had a police cruiser take the child home, and banned the child from his bus.......

[Peachdiane]

Yes, home or wherever the parent is. Personally I wouldn't paddle or do anything to a school child, just to avoid DCFS hell.

[dPrasse]

That's when he should have pulled the bus over, rqdioed for back-up; had a police cruiser take the child home, and banned the child from his bus.......

Oh , but then the parents would scream and cry about their "poor baby" ...

boo hoo ...

I'm with TW ... tape him up , tie him down ....
I remember back in 5th grade , a teacher tied a kid to her chai for wandering around , the parents complained , the Princ backed the teacher and told the parents their child needs to get a grip ...

[midnite]

Those days are gone forever..too bad

[EveningStar]

The kid should have had the shit beaten out of him.

[EveningStar]

Inquiry clears driver of child's duct taping claim (http://www.sptimes.com/2005/12/17/Tampabay/Inquiry_clears_driver.shtml)


The kid and his parents should be horsewhipped.

[dPrasse]

Agreed ....

[Peachdiane]

Thanks, ES. So the family attorney believes the boy but won't allow him to be questioned. How typical.

[UnkHiram]

Why did she tape the kids mouth?

Personally I dont give a tinkers damn what the FIVE YEAR OLD did. For an adult to put duct tape on a five year old childs mouth goes beyond displine. It's Child Abuse!! If they had done it to my child I would have shot them.

Dont be so quick to scream discipline that you overlook
sadism. IF they child (A FIVE YEAR OLD) was more than this adult could handle the the child should have been banned from the bus and the driver fired for incompetency.

[dPrasse]

Unk ,

I know , in my local school distict , there are lil monsters that can cuss like a sailor , have NO respect for any authority .... there is nooo respect in certain areas ....

[Longhorn_Platinum]

Pennville_Bill:
That's when he should have pulled the bus over, rqdioed for back-up; had a police cruiser take the child home, and banned the child from his bus.......

:rolleyes: And that would be less drastic, & less traumatic for the child... how?

[Longhorn_Platinum]

UnkHiram:
For an adult to put duct tape on a five year old childs mouth goes beyond displine. It's Child Abuse!!

:rolleyes: Can you guys be any more SHRILL about this? It's just a piece of tape, for cryin' out loud.

[nene]

As a kid, they could have duct taped me each and every time I got on the bus. The only thing that caused me fear was having my parents find out that I was misbehaving. Duct tape...light weight shit.

[UnkHiram]

Longhorn

Tell me you are not really justifying DUCT TAPING a child's mouth. Are we over reactin? No, I dont think so --- This is Child abuse. No COMPETENT adult should ever commit this type of thing. As for whether or not pulling the bus over and have the child removed from it would be more "Traumatic" or not is beside the point. That action would have been legal and proper, the action this bus driver took was abusive.

dPrasse

I dont doubt for a moment that their are children out there that act exactly as you suggest. I am even willing to grant that this child could be one of them. That does not justify Child Abuse.

[DesertFox]

Child abuse, my heinie. It's direct action, analogous to a spanking, but you can't spank brats these days. You can't even grab them by the arm. You can't even glare at them. You can't even speak harshly to them.

You wouldn't last ten minutes in a classroom, Unk.

[HomeschoolrsRUs]

Disgusting. Just too much wrong with the whole thing, imho.

I haven't said anything (within the thread) because I believe the fault lies with the parents for sending the 5 year old to school in the FIRST place. This case happened in Florida, where we are having SERIOUS trouble in our education system: teachers molesting students, bus drivers committing acts against students, a HUGE push for 3-4 "voluntary" pre-K for children, the passage of mandatory class size initiative, the denial of a voucher system, etc.

Speaking of 5 year olds, does anyone remember this (which ALSO took place in Florida)?

5-year-old girl handcuffed by Florida police - Wikinews (http://en.wikinews.org/wiki/5-year-old_girl_handcuffed_by_Florida_police)

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St Petersburg, Florida police were taped on video handcuffing a five-year-old kindergarten student who had earlier torn papers off a bulletin board and punched an assistant principal. The camera happened to be filming on March 14 as part of a classroom self-improvement exercise at Fairmount Park Elementary. Video of the event has been released by a lawyer for the child's mother.

[UnkHiram]

DF

This was not a spanking, which is justifiable. This is Child Abuse. An ADULT does not DUCT TAPE the mouth of a five year old child.

I would never make it to a classroom, because I would tell the communist inspired teachers union to shove it. I have no use for unions that protect incompetent and abusive members.

[DesertFox]

Yeah. Now all you who think "child abuse" when an adult makes a kid behave -- what do you do when a kid punches, kicks, screams and tears things up? Let's hear your genius thoughts. It's all wonderful to blame the parents, but that doesn't help RIGHT NOW when that brat's disrupting everything. So what do you do? What do you do when you're the cop? You can't lay a hand on the brat unless you do it AS a cop.

Please, by all means, give us the benefit of your wisdom.

[DesertFox]

Unk, duct tape isn't child abuse. In fact, it's a darned good idea.

[dPrasse]

punched an assistant principal

PUNCHED ... a 5 yr old girl ... I fault the parents all ight ... for teaching complete disrespect for authority ...

those parents most likely don't give a rats ass about their kid ... THAT is child abuse ...

[DesertFox]

Agreed.

[UnkHiram]

DF

I would spank the child! I would stop the damn bus and turn him over to the police. I would NOT Duct tape his mouth. This is NOT about making him behave, This is about going crazy in applying a purely idiotic attempt at "Discipline". This was not discipline, this was abuse.

So Please I have answered your question, in spite of your sarcasm, now explain to me why you as an adult feel you cant control a FIVE YEAR OLD CHILD without duct taping his mouth. You can also explain to me how you as an adult feel you are qualified to be responsible for the lives of all these children on the way to and from school when you cant even control a FIVE YEAR OLD CHILD without resorting to bondage!

[UnkHiram]

dPrasse

I dont for a minute doubt that the root cause for the childrens misbehaviour in both cases was parental neglect bordering if not crossing into child abuse. That does not JUSTIFY what the idiot driver did.

[nene]

DF

I would spank the child! I would stop the damn bus and turn him over to the police. At which time you would've been arrested for assault and battery. Then the parents would've sued you.

[DesertFox]

Unk, you haven't answered a thing.

The bus driver's job is to drive the bus safely, not to have to fight with kids. Oh, and go ahead and spank the kid -- and be ready to go to jail, because you will go to jail.

Duct tape is bondage? Since when? Shutting a kid up isn't bondage. It's no different from forcibly holding your hand over his mouth. If you've never done that to a screeching kid, then you have no place in this discussion. Some kids need to be forced to behave because it's their nature to fight. Failure to force them to behave is child abuse, just as dPrasse said.

I have put duct tape on the potty mouths of high school kids. It works. They weren't abused, and after that they watched their potty mouths.

[Longhorn_Platinum]

DesertFox:
Unk, duct tape isn't child abuse. In fact, it's a darned good idea.

:unsmile: We've all read the stories of real child abuse. Stories of people beating children in a way that leaves bruises; sexual abuse of kids; kids forced to live among rats & roaches, or in their own excrement; kids forced to watch as family members are beaten, as they recoil in fear for their own safety; &c., &c., &c. And putting tape on a child's mouth in no way compares to any of that. It's not child abuse, & if anyone says it is, then he/she marginalizes the real thing.

[DesertFox]

He/she just doesn't know what the hell he/she's talking about.

[Peachdiane]

I wouldn't mind some kids being taped to a CHAIR.

From Newsday:

Second-grade teacher suspended, accused of duct-taping students







December 13, 2005, 4:44 PM EST

HOWELL TOWNSHIP, N.J. (AP) _ A second-grade teacher accused of duct-taping students to chairs has been suspended. Neither school officials nor authorities would release her name.

The woman, a five-year employee of Land O' Pines Elementary School, reportedly used tape to confine up to four students to their seats in one day, schools Superintendent Enid Golden said. It wasn't clear what provoked the teacher, Golden said.

After learning about the incident in an anonymous Nov. 18 telephone call from a parent, the school's principal interviewed the teacher, who was suspended with pay pending further investigation, Golden said.

The state Division of Youth and Family Services was notified, as was the Monmouth County prosecutor's office, Golden said.

"We're not disclosing details of the matter at this time," said prosecutor Luis Valentin. "I can tell you the matter is under review by our office and is currently being investigated by our office."

He would not reveal the teacher's name, nor would Golden, citing advice from the Board of Education's lawyer. Howell Township police referred calls about the case to Valentin.

Steve Wollmer, a spokesman for the New Jersey Education Association, said it was the school district's decision not to release the teacher's name. He referred inquiries to Charles Uliano, a West Long Branch defense attorney who represents the woman. Uliano did not return a telephone call seeking comment Tuesday.

[UnkHiram]

DF

I DID answer the question. I told you EXACTLY what I would do. As for the chance of being arrested I would be more than willing to fight that in a court of law.

NO, I have NEVER placed DUCT TAPE on the mouth of a FIVE YEAR OLD CHILD. Rather proud of that fact too. Their is a significant difference between a HIGH SCHOOL STUDENT and a five year old child. IF you cant recognize that then You dont need to be around either.

He/She

Why dont you ask the local Child Protective Agency if they consider this child abuse? I suspect that they are a bit more of experts on the issue than you are and I also suspect that they would agree with me.

[Peachdiane]

CPS is useless.... Homeschooling is abuse. Time outs are isolation abuse. (I kid you not) Not agreeing to the in-school dental checkups is also abuse.

[DesertFox]

Unk, if you defer to CPS, you've said all that need be said.

[HomeschoolrsRUs]

CPS is useless.... Homeschooling is abuse. Time outs are isolation abuse. (I kid you not) Not agreeing to the in-school dental checkups is also abuse.

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[UnkHiram]

DF

If you can justify Duck Taping a FIVE YEAR OLD CHILD, you've said all that need be said.

[DesertFox]

Homes, CPS is a public menace. It's as dangerous to traumatically- abused kids as their abusers are. It pretty regularly returns severely abused kids to their abusive parents. It takes kids away from perfectly normal parents. It's got things upside down, siding with bad guys and persecuting good guys. We've had threads on all this right here.

Unk, it's good for you that you don't work with kids. You haven't a ghost of a notion about how to proceed. Spanking a kid will put you in jail, your life wrecked, and you've said that that's what you would do. It's hard to take seriously your remarks after seeing that one.

[Peachdiane]

:question:

Not to ME... to them!

[HomeschoolrsRUs]

Homes, CPS is a public menace. It's as dangerous to traumatically-abused kids as their abusers are. It pretty regularly returns severely abused kids to their abusive parents. We've had threads on it right here.

Is CPS the same as DCFS (Department of Children and Family Services)? That's the entity that causes all the ruckus here in Florida (if I'm not mistaken).

The question mark was for the remark regarding homeschooling ... I have never seen a ruling by DCFS, that I am aware of, stating that homeschooling is child abuse -- has that CPS agency stated that for real in other states?

[DesertFox]

CPS is Child Protective Services. AFAIK it's called the same thing everywhere, but I wouldn't swear to that.

[Peachdiane]

It's CPS/DSS/DFCS/DCFS/SCR or whatever the heck the individual state calls it.

They go after the homeschooling community here.

[EveningStar]

I wouldn't mind some kids being taped to a CHAIR.
Or a bench? :thumb:

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[Peachdiane]

I did a search on CPS and homeschooling and came up with one of many sites:

The Home School Legal Defense Association's July/August 2001 Court Report includes lists of the organization's "Top 10" for number of contact with CPS (Child Protective Services). It shows families in Virginia having 18.37 CPS contacts per 100 HSLDA members between February 2000 and January 2001 (although it does not specify whether the "contacts" were between CPS and members, or members' contacts with HSLDA--such as from those asking for information about CPS). That equals about one in 5.4. If these figures are accurate, an astonishingly high number of HSLDA members are contacted by CPS.

FRIGHTENING SCENARIOS
"What Parents Should Know About Child Welfare Agencies" was the title of a presentation at the October 23, 1999 HSLDA Support Group Seminar in Richmond, VA. HSLDA attorney Scott Woodruff related stores of CPS workers and assorted law officers forcing their way into people's homes, then claiming they were admitted voluntarily.

"One of the most frequent problems facing innocent homeschool families in Virginia is that of social worker investigations based on anonymous tips." -HSLDA bulletin on HB2831, January 28, 2003

Again, Unk suggested a call into them to find out what is abuse anyway? They'll come up with just about anything. If a child comes to school with 3 layers of shirts on and a light jacket, a "mandated reporter" calls CPS on the parents because it's a light jacket and not a heavy coat.

ES, too funny. :D

[dPrasse]

Maybe just duct tape the kids to the ceiling ...

http://www.octanecreative.com/ducttape/walltapings/images/dttammy1.jpg

[HomeschoolrsRUs]

I did a search on CPS and homeschooling and came up with one of many sites:

Wow, Peach!

I guess I am just really blessed ... my county is EXTREMELY homeschool friendly, and for the most part, my totally messed up state (when it comes to public schooling) is very homeschool friendly too. I know of only ONE case where a homeschool family was harrassed by officials (unwarranted). There ARE those that give us honest, earnest and genuine homeschoolers a bad name, and I applaud actions taken to remove them from our h/s-ing ranks.

Anyhoo, for the record ANY agency that thinks homeschooling is "child abuse" is lacking the intelligence required to even BE an official agency -- and they obviously weren't paying attention to any of the national spelling or geography bees (in which homeschoolers have done a bang-up job), :smirky: .

Sorry for the off-thread ... back on topic.

I reiterate, Florida has SERIOUS problems with its public school system -- this being only one of the examples of the latest troubles. They are directly tied to the lack of involvement by parents in their children's education, and their willingness for, nay enthusiastic support of, government intervention straight from the cradle to the grave (we aren't the favorite retirement spot in the country for nothing, you know, LOL).

[Peachdiane]

Anyhoo, for the record ANY agency that thinks homeschooling is "child abuse" is lacking the intelligence required to even BE an official agency

The investigators have NO intelligence, IMO. When I lived in Long Island I met Dr. Alberto Peña, Chief of Surgery at Schneider Children's Hospital. he's the MAN who created the posterior sagittal anorectoplasty surgery to help children who were born with imperforate anus. Since 1980, Dr Peña has operated on 950 children with anorectal malformations. Anyway, Dr Peña told me more than half of those families have come under fire by CPS investigators" because their child "still wears pullups." Now the investigators should have read the doctor reports and closed the case as unsubstantiated. But no, they hand it off to caseworkers. Der!!!!

I could go on and on. It's just NUTS.

Homes, yes you have a good community. I don't think they are as rigid in FL bcause you have to register and there is some regulation? In IL there is no law to register and no regulation, AFAIK. Therefore, CPS doesn't leave the families alone. They're convinced the homeschool families are up to no good. http://www.freeconservatives.com/vb/images/icons/kissmygrits.gif

[dPrasse]

Well , maybe the kid was a wart ???

A study, appearing in the journal Archives of Pediatric and Adolescent Medicine, has found that treating common warts by applying duct tape was more successful than cryotherapy – freezing them off with liquid nitrogen – a more common technique. The study looked at more than 50 patients ages 3 to 22.
Researchers say using duct tape has several advantages over cryotherapy, such as being more practical, less expensive and less threatening to children because it is not painful.

[Peachdiane]

:hahaha:

Perhaps duct tape is perfect for everything except ducts?

[HomeschoolrsRUs]

Homes, yes you have a good community. I don't think they are as rigid in FL bcause you have to register and there is some regulation?

Actually, I think Florida is one of the least restrictive states. Generally, for the state we have but two requirements -- compliance with county rules & some sort of end-of-year assessment (parents are free to choose 1 of 4 options for this). Our county requires we send in a "Letter of Intent" to homeschool at the beginning of our program, but after that, we don't have to register yearly or anything. We choose to have our kids evaluated, no testing, and a 1 page statement by Certified Evaluator suffices. The rest of the states could take a lesson from ours when it comes to homeschooling ... and the kids are thriving here, the numbers of homeschooled children are rising exponentially.

In IL there is no law to register and no regulation, AFAIK. Therefore, CPS doesn't leave the families alone. They're convinced the homeschool families are up to no good. http://www.freeconservatives.com/vb/images/icons/kissmygrits.gif

That's simply ridiculous.

Those agencies who "supposedly" look after the welfare of the child are in serious need of overhaul. Too many times children are returned to deficient (if not downright dangerous) parents, and yet REAL cases of abuse are simply swept under the rug.

I predict this bus driver will be fired and sued. I do not in anyway agree with the actions of the driver (even though I can certainly empathize with the frustration of dealing with a maniacal child), however there needs to be some serious redress of how to deal with these out of control children, especially ones at younger ages (with the push for 2,3,4 year old kindergarten). There needs to be some formal written directives for handling unruly children.

[jag]

Personally I dont give a tinkers damn what the FIVE YEAR OLDdid. For an adult to put duct tape on a five year old childs mouth goes beyond displine. It's Child Abuse!! If they had done it to my child I would have shot them.





Shoot some one because of tape?- a little drastic.

I thought maybe the kid was biting or using vulger language, in that case I would not have a problem with it, I certainly don't consider it abuse.

[Peachdiane]

Actually, I think Florida is one of the least restrictive states.

Ok, my bad. I was going by this legal MAP (http://www.hslda.org/laws/default.asp) from HSLDA.

however there needs to be some serious redress of how to deal with these out of control children, especially ones at younger ages (with the push for 2,3,4 year old kindergarten).

I agree. On special ed buses there's a bus monitor, or two, who are trained in discipline and behavioral problems. It takes the guesswork out of, "What to do???"

On the regular buses, here we have drivers with up to 60 kids. That's 3 times as many students as most classrooms. These drivers have to give their primary attention to the road for safety AND they're expected to maintain discipline on the buses.

[Patriot Heart]

Here is why I think duct tape would be a poor recourse for punishment on a 5 year old. If that kid becomes "gaggy" and starts to vomit, not all that unusual in young kids, he will likely inhale some of his own vomit (aspiration pneumonia) and them you have a very serious situation on your hands. I am for calling the schoolbus base with the cell or radio which most drivers must have, and have him expelled from bus rides for awhile.
Also: in Oklahoma spanking is not uncommon in schools. Also Oklahoma is VERY friendly to homeschoolers.

[Pennville_Bill]

The driver was acting in the best interests of ALL the children IN HIS CARE.

That's when she should have pulled the bus over, radioed for back-up; had a police cruiser take the child home, and banned the child from her bus...

:rolleyes: And that would be less drastic, & less traumatic for the child... how?
The way I see it is like this:

1. The bus driver maintains a safe and orderly operation of her bus which is one of her primary responsibilities. As an added bonus, she gets to keep her job.

2. Hands on physical restraint isn't deployed against a 5 year old child.

3. The child get a very early lesson in life on the possible consequences of civil disruption.

4. The child's parents are put on nothice of thier child's behavior by personnel properly authorised to give such notifications. This is positively reinforced by the parents making alternate arrangements to get their child to school for the duration of the child's banishment.

5. The school corporation avoids being sued on behalf of the child by some bottom feeding lawyer.

In direct answer to your question, it would not be less drastic.

As for traumatic, please define your terms. As I understand the word, it implies severe physical and/or mental injury. Sending the misbehaving child home in a police cruiser hardly qualifies as either IMHO............

//Note: edited for typos. -- PB//

[jag]

That's when she should have pulled the bus over, radioed for back-up; had a police cruiser take the child home, and banned the child from her bus...



Lets be a bit realistic.

Can you imagine the outrage of the teachers, other parents, police and other kids if she had stopped, called the police, made everyone late, escorted a 5 year old into a police car and had them "detain" a kid all for the sake she couldn't handle it herself because the kid was too loud.

It seems like a no win situation for some folks. She handled it but should be shot, or punished herself. She should not have handled it but make it some sort of police action?

The kid will heal and most likely learn a lesson that his parents failed to get across.

[Pennville_Bill]

And can you imagine the outrage had there been a traffic accident because she didn't take proper safety precautions?

[TechnoPrincess]

Here is why I think duct tape would be a poor recourse for punishment on a 5 year old. If that kid becomes "gaggy" and starts to vomit, not all that unusual in young kids, he will likely inhale some of his own vomit (aspiration pneumonia) and them you have a very serious situation on your hands. I am for calling the schoolbus base with the cell or radio which most drivers must have, and have him expelled from bus rides for awhile.
Also: in Oklahoma spanking is not uncommon in schools. Also Oklahoma is VERY friendly to homeschoolers.

WOW! This thread really took off.

I totally agree Patriot Heart! That would have been a much better solution.

[jag]

And can you imagine the outrage had there been a traffic accident because she didn't take proper safety precautions?

And this means.....?

[Pennville_Bill]

And this means.....?

So just what would you have done to manage the situation? Open yourself and the scholl corp. up to a lawsuit with a roll of duct tape? What?

[dPrasse]

Saw on the news today ... some cop put hand cuffs on some gal on a bus this morning ... parents are not happy ... maybe she should have been duct taped instead ???

[DesertFox]

Scotch tape. That solves the whole problem. That wide, transparent packing tape in Staples.

[dPrasse]

Scotch tape. That solves the whole problem. That wide, transparent packing tape in Staples.

Packing tape is stickier than duct tape .... maybe saran wrap ... :D

[DesertFox]

That's it! Saran wrap and rubber bands! the thick ones that don't dig into the skin.

[dPrasse]

Looks like black electrical tape works better with saran wrap ....

[DesertFox]

Gas masks work well on muffling unwanted noise.

[jag]

Masking tape. Its easier to remove and doesn't leave any sticky residue :lol:

[dPrasse]

Masking tape. Its easier to remove and doesn't leave any sticky residue :lol:

Ok , if residue is a potential problem , evidence wise , maybe the kind of tape used on wood gym floors to tape down power cords and such without tearing up the waxed basketball surface ??....

I think we are getting this figured out ....

[DesertFox]

Rasslin' tape's good. It's used to tape the mats together so they don't come apart while guys are trying to strangle each other.

[Longhorn_Platinum]

Pennville_Bill:
As for traumatic, please define your terms. As I understand the word, it implies severe physical and/or mental injury. Sending the misbehaving child home in a police cruiser hardly qualifies as either IMHO............

:unsmile: When I was in college, I worked at a convenience store. One day, the manager allowed a 9-year-old girl to do odd jobs around the store during his shift. He forgot to tell her that when his shift was over, she was to go home. She had a blast working around the store, & after the manager went home, & my shift started, the little pest refused to leave. She allowed herself behind the counter, "corrected" my paper work, & even tried to sell beer to the customers, while I was in the back trying to restock the cooler. I finally had no choice but to call the police to escort her out. It was that bad. But, I'll never forget the fright in her eyes, when the police showed up. She was really scared.

[Pennville_Bill]

You were in a no win situation but you did the right thing. Perhaps in lieu of call ing a cruiser the driver could have tried calling the parents to come and get the child first.

I write this with a grain of salt however; my wife teaches and once has occasion to send a sick child to the school nurse, who in turn contacted the child's parents to come and get thier child. The father couldn't be reached, and the at home mother refused to come to the school and get her kid. Said it was the school's problem and they should deal with it. That child went home in a cruiser, but the cops took extra special measures to try keeping the child from feeling uneasy.

At least that's how the story was related to me by the mrs. and I've no reason to doubt her. And that's as it should be really; children should be able to recognize the police as nonthreatening friends.