**DONOTDELETE**
03-08-2003, 10:26 AM
Yes, I know the movie 'Snuff' was a fake. This is not about the faus snuff film market, it is about the real thing and the deniers who obstruct the attention that this industry needs so we can get the political will power to destroy it.
The pornagraphers today insist that snuff films, where the sexually exploited person climaxes the film by being tortured and killed, are an urban myth. Here is one poster I found who well represents these deniers of snuff films:
"And you still refuse to say what government agencies covered it up. What it was. How much you paid to see it. Because friend if you saw such a film, bought it or resold it, you are now an accessory to murder. If you read the above post, you will also learn how to claim a one million dollar price from Al Goldstein. If he pays you, I will apologize."
Notice how the denier challenges the person asserting that he has seen a snuff film to provide proof, while simultaneously threatening him if he does in fact do this.
The truth about snuff films is that they are in fact made in a vast udnerground of individual suppliers and buyers. They are not mass marketed, obviously, as their are stiff penalties to even viewing them. But the evidence suggests that the underground market is in fact there, but we can publicly see only the ripples on the surface, and occasionally a bust that the media ignore.
But it is well known that some sexual psychos fiolm their depreadations of their victims.
Here is an example in a post I found on the internet about the Teale murders:
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FACT: During the week following Karla Homolka's trial, the police announced that they had a videotape of Karla with an unidentified female having sex. This announcement generated a number of rumours that she and her husband were making snuff & bestiality films. Police also exhumed the body of Karla's sister,
Tammy, whose death on Christmas Eve, 1990 had previously been labelled accidental.
FACT: Delay in the trial had to do with a small contingent of RCMP who travelled to Japan in order to procure Paul & Karla Teale's home snuff videos, which were evidently circulating in the Japanese sex underground. Supposedly Paul & Karla made some good money from this venture, which is supposed to account for how they could afford a nice home while he was an un-employed accountant and she was a was a veteranarian's assistant student. Evidently in these so-called snuff video(s?), the rooms where the crimes were committed is shown, which is why the police wanted to get a hold of these, so they could get a closer look, and thus search for evidence (DNA, etc.) in the areas that were shown.
FACT: The found videotape, child pornography, contains scenes of Karla engaging in underage lesbian & BDSM acts with Leslie Mahaffy. While rumours of snuff films are still tossed around, there was never any snuff films found. Yet it is well known that the two travel buy car to the United States often looking for girls and did bring their video cam.
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Another set of uninvestigated similar incidents as David Berkowitz has asserted that he was doing his "son of sam" slayings as part of an illicit filming of snuff films, as reported in the book "Ultimate Evil".
Ocasionally even police are busted with such material.
http://www.theadvocate.com/stories/090502/new_cleared001.shtml
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An LSU Police officer charged with receiving child pornography has been cleared in the serial killer investigation by a DNA test, an FBI agent testified Wednesday.
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During the bail hearing, Campbell testified that Jones had a collection of 157 images of child pornography on his work and home computers.
Jones also had 15 "snuff" films, Campbell said. Snuff films are graphic videos of people being killed, Campbell said.
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But even these specific cases do not silence the naysayers as the following shows.
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Home videos by psychopaths. A commonly cited case involves Leonard Lake and Charles Ng, who in the mid-80s murdered at least 11 women in Lake's California cabin and made videos of several victims begging for mercy. I have not been able to confirm that anyone was actually killed on camera in this or similar cases, but wouldn't be surprised.
None of the above constitutes a snuff movie as the term is usually understood. It's not out of the realm of possibility that one will yet turn up. But the notion that there is some sort of snuff movie industry out there, complete with film crews, lab technicians, and, God help us, sacrificial actors; that these people film themselves committing capital crimes and sell the result to strangers; and that for nearly 30 years they've succeeded in concealing all traces of their handiwork, strikes me as absurd.
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He denies what no one is asserting. The snuff film industry is garage-back-alley stuff that sells very well without high quality production.
But as the major crime organizations start getting into it, we will see more busts like the ones below.
http://www.tranquileye.com/historyofporn/snuff.html
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April 1999: German Duo Convicted of Making Snuff Film
Two men in Germany were recently sentenced to life imprisonment for committing murder while producing a snuff film. It's the first such conviction ever. The men filmed themselves sexually assaulting and torturing a 21-year-old woman for a snuff film they had hoped to sell in America for $16,000. Frankfurt-based prosecutor Job Tillman says there's a ready market for films depicting violence against women and children -- especially in America. Although one of the men is appealing the ruling, the other says he views jail as an opportunity to work on himself and his problems.
Michael Leidig writes 4/13/99 from Vienna for the Daily Telegraph, a London newspaper:
Ernst Dieter Korzen, 37, and Stefan Michael Mahn, 30, [videotaped] themselves sexually assaulting and torturing a 21-year-old woman in 1997. The victim died before the production was complete and the pair kidnapped a second woman to finish the video. But she escaped and alerted authorities, who arrested the men.
Wolfgang Rahmer, the chief prosecutor, told the court: "From my experience this represents a new depth in perversion. You see the victim begging for her life, pain being inflicted and massive sexual torture."
The court was told that the murdered woman, Jueleyha Akpinar, was working as a prostitute in Cologne when she met the two men in November. They offered her drugs and money to go with them to the remote bungalow in Kierspe-Roensal, near Hagen. A lack of direct evidence had previously led to widespread scepticism over the existence of a snuff movie industry, with many writing it off as an "urban myth". But Wolfgang Rahmer said he had no doubt that such an industry existed.
Both men were jailed for life in a secure psychiatric institution. Judge Hoerst Werner Herkenberg said Korzen should not expect his case to be re-examined for at least 18 years, and that Mahn would have to wait at least 15.
Cassandra Brown wrote 11/9/98 for the London newspaper Daily Telegraph:
September 27th, 2000
NAPLES, Italy, Sept 27 (Reuters) - Police said on Wednesday they had arrested eight Italians suspected of belonging to a child pornography ring that traded videos over the internet, including film of Russian children who were abused to death.
The material, which was ordered over the internet, cost between $400 and $6,000 for each video or disc depending on the type of film the customer wanted -- and the more horrific the more costly.
The most gruesome, police said, was code-named "Necros Pedo," in which children were raped and tortured until they died.
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I am convinced that snuff films are real because there has been a demonstrated market for it, and the colapse of Russian Communism has opened up many areas where such films can easily be made.
There is a site (www.insex.com) that I have found where women are genuinely tortured in appaling ways. Some of the girls look underage, but my bet is that they have paperwork showing that they are all 18 whether they are or are not. These young women are tortured by immersion in water, needles under fingernails, branding, electrical prods, painful bindings and even disfigurement.
If there are people willing to subscribe to this, why not for the whole monty, and just kill some young girl as the insex graphics suggest they do?
The existance of a network of enslaved women and children used for torture, rape and even killing when it suits the master would explain many disappearances over the last few years as well.
Snuff films are not an urban myth; they are fact.
The pornagraphers today insist that snuff films, where the sexually exploited person climaxes the film by being tortured and killed, are an urban myth. Here is one poster I found who well represents these deniers of snuff films:
"And you still refuse to say what government agencies covered it up. What it was. How much you paid to see it. Because friend if you saw such a film, bought it or resold it, you are now an accessory to murder. If you read the above post, you will also learn how to claim a one million dollar price from Al Goldstein. If he pays you, I will apologize."
Notice how the denier challenges the person asserting that he has seen a snuff film to provide proof, while simultaneously threatening him if he does in fact do this.
The truth about snuff films is that they are in fact made in a vast udnerground of individual suppliers and buyers. They are not mass marketed, obviously, as their are stiff penalties to even viewing them. But the evidence suggests that the underground market is in fact there, but we can publicly see only the ripples on the surface, and occasionally a bust that the media ignore.
But it is well known that some sexual psychos fiolm their depreadations of their victims.
Here is an example in a post I found on the internet about the Teale murders:
[ QUOTE ]
FACT: During the week following Karla Homolka's trial, the police announced that they had a videotape of Karla with an unidentified female having sex. This announcement generated a number of rumours that she and her husband were making snuff & bestiality films. Police also exhumed the body of Karla's sister,
Tammy, whose death on Christmas Eve, 1990 had previously been labelled accidental.
FACT: Delay in the trial had to do with a small contingent of RCMP who travelled to Japan in order to procure Paul & Karla Teale's home snuff videos, which were evidently circulating in the Japanese sex underground. Supposedly Paul & Karla made some good money from this venture, which is supposed to account for how they could afford a nice home while he was an un-employed accountant and she was a was a veteranarian's assistant student. Evidently in these so-called snuff video(s?), the rooms where the crimes were committed is shown, which is why the police wanted to get a hold of these, so they could get a closer look, and thus search for evidence (DNA, etc.) in the areas that were shown.
FACT: The found videotape, child pornography, contains scenes of Karla engaging in underage lesbian & BDSM acts with Leslie Mahaffy. While rumours of snuff films are still tossed around, there was never any snuff films found. Yet it is well known that the two travel buy car to the United States often looking for girls and did bring their video cam.
[/ QUOTE ]
Another set of uninvestigated similar incidents as David Berkowitz has asserted that he was doing his "son of sam" slayings as part of an illicit filming of snuff films, as reported in the book "Ultimate Evil".
Ocasionally even police are busted with such material.
http://www.theadvocate.com/stories/090502/new_cleared001.shtml
[ QUOTE ]
An LSU Police officer charged with receiving child pornography has been cleared in the serial killer investigation by a DNA test, an FBI agent testified Wednesday.
* * * * * * *
During the bail hearing, Campbell testified that Jones had a collection of 157 images of child pornography on his work and home computers.
Jones also had 15 "snuff" films, Campbell said. Snuff films are graphic videos of people being killed, Campbell said.
[/ QUOTE ]
But even these specific cases do not silence the naysayers as the following shows.
[ QUOTE ]
Home videos by psychopaths. A commonly cited case involves Leonard Lake and Charles Ng, who in the mid-80s murdered at least 11 women in Lake's California cabin and made videos of several victims begging for mercy. I have not been able to confirm that anyone was actually killed on camera in this or similar cases, but wouldn't be surprised.
None of the above constitutes a snuff movie as the term is usually understood. It's not out of the realm of possibility that one will yet turn up. But the notion that there is some sort of snuff movie industry out there, complete with film crews, lab technicians, and, God help us, sacrificial actors; that these people film themselves committing capital crimes and sell the result to strangers; and that for nearly 30 years they've succeeded in concealing all traces of their handiwork, strikes me as absurd.
[/ QUOTE ]
He denies what no one is asserting. The snuff film industry is garage-back-alley stuff that sells very well without high quality production.
But as the major crime organizations start getting into it, we will see more busts like the ones below.
http://www.tranquileye.com/historyofporn/snuff.html
[ QUOTE ]
April 1999: German Duo Convicted of Making Snuff Film
Two men in Germany were recently sentenced to life imprisonment for committing murder while producing a snuff film. It's the first such conviction ever. The men filmed themselves sexually assaulting and torturing a 21-year-old woman for a snuff film they had hoped to sell in America for $16,000. Frankfurt-based prosecutor Job Tillman says there's a ready market for films depicting violence against women and children -- especially in America. Although one of the men is appealing the ruling, the other says he views jail as an opportunity to work on himself and his problems.
Michael Leidig writes 4/13/99 from Vienna for the Daily Telegraph, a London newspaper:
Ernst Dieter Korzen, 37, and Stefan Michael Mahn, 30, [videotaped] themselves sexually assaulting and torturing a 21-year-old woman in 1997. The victim died before the production was complete and the pair kidnapped a second woman to finish the video. But she escaped and alerted authorities, who arrested the men.
Wolfgang Rahmer, the chief prosecutor, told the court: "From my experience this represents a new depth in perversion. You see the victim begging for her life, pain being inflicted and massive sexual torture."
The court was told that the murdered woman, Jueleyha Akpinar, was working as a prostitute in Cologne when she met the two men in November. They offered her drugs and money to go with them to the remote bungalow in Kierspe-Roensal, near Hagen. A lack of direct evidence had previously led to widespread scepticism over the existence of a snuff movie industry, with many writing it off as an "urban myth". But Wolfgang Rahmer said he had no doubt that such an industry existed.
Both men were jailed for life in a secure psychiatric institution. Judge Hoerst Werner Herkenberg said Korzen should not expect his case to be re-examined for at least 18 years, and that Mahn would have to wait at least 15.
Cassandra Brown wrote 11/9/98 for the London newspaper Daily Telegraph:
September 27th, 2000
NAPLES, Italy, Sept 27 (Reuters) - Police said on Wednesday they had arrested eight Italians suspected of belonging to a child pornography ring that traded videos over the internet, including film of Russian children who were abused to death.
The material, which was ordered over the internet, cost between $400 and $6,000 for each video or disc depending on the type of film the customer wanted -- and the more horrific the more costly.
The most gruesome, police said, was code-named "Necros Pedo," in which children were raped and tortured until they died.
[/ QUOTE ]
I am convinced that snuff films are real because there has been a demonstrated market for it, and the colapse of Russian Communism has opened up many areas where such films can easily be made.
There is a site (www.insex.com) that I have found where women are genuinely tortured in appaling ways. Some of the girls look underage, but my bet is that they have paperwork showing that they are all 18 whether they are or are not. These young women are tortured by immersion in water, needles under fingernails, branding, electrical prods, painful bindings and even disfigurement.
If there are people willing to subscribe to this, why not for the whole monty, and just kill some young girl as the insex graphics suggest they do?
The existance of a network of enslaved women and children used for torture, rape and even killing when it suits the master would explain many disappearances over the last few years as well.
Snuff films are not an urban myth; they are fact.