LLM’s Truth Truck to be in Detroit for Super Bowl XL

[lifeandliberty]

Super Bowl XL won’t be the only attraction that people will be talking about in Detroit. On February 3-5, LLM's Truth Truck will be on the streets of Detroit to show the reveling masses the hard truth about abortion. For more than three decades, America has sacrificed its children to be killed on the altar of convenience. Each year comes and goes with its parties, celebrations, and games. Little thought is given to the fact that babies are daily being murdered as we live our lives to the fullest.


Will there be another 30+ years of blood to answer for in this Land of the Free and Home of the Brave? We can be sure of one thing. If we continue to oppose abortion with the fervor and commitment that has characterized our last 30 years, child sacrifice will be here for the duration.

Fancy PR letters don’t save babies. Proclaiming that we are pro-life doesn’t save babies. If we care to see the innocent protected we must do more than we are doing now.

Abortion is just an “issue” among other “issues” to most in the Body of Christ. It will be a fearful day of reckoning when we answer for our complacency as one baby out of every four has their limbs torn from their bodies. Are we too consumed with our lives to care? Really?

The Truth Truck won’t stop all of the killing, but it is just one powerful tool in the battle. When men and women are forced to see the sin that they tolerate, they are brought to a crossroads. Ignoring the “issue” of child sacrifice becomes a difficult thing. We need to see the truth to deal with the truth.

LLM’s Truth Truck will be leaving for Detroit on Thursday, Feb. 2 and will return to VA on Monday Feb. 6. Does LLM have an abundance on time free to do this? No. Does LLM have the finances stashed away to do this? No. We are trusting that you will get behind this endeavor with your prayers and support. I can guarantee that babies will be saved. When we show the truth of the plight of the murdered preborn, we often hear testimonies of mothers who were forever changed by the reality that they were forced to consider.

Click here (http://www.lifeandlibertyministries.com/archives/000045.php) to view the Truth Truck.

[ldb83]

What truth? The truth of what an aborted fetus looks like? Bla.

Ya know, I fully oppose killing animals for their furs, but I don't believe that waving posters of bloody skinned carcasses around the streets of big cities is the way to show that it's "a sin". That's just shock tactic propaganda and it's lame.

Similarly, I don't believe that showing the bloody results of an abortion is very convincing about how "sinful" abortion is. It's another one of those lame shock tactics. Calling fetuses "infants" or "children" or "toddlers" is another way people do that. Calling a fetus a fetus isn't misrepresentation or dehumanization... it's proper identification. People who want to present any kind of convincing argument in opposition of abortion should take note and build it on logic rather than pathos.

For as many people as there are that oppose it, you'd think that every now and then someone would come up with something a little bit better than "IT'S INFANT GENOCIDE!!!" or "THEY'RE MURDERING TODDLERS!!!" or "LOOK AT THIS BLOODY MANGLED PREBORN BABY!!!"

[dcanner]

:question: idb, isn't it true that people, as emotional creatures, can respond emotionally to painful images? Aren't emotions effective is changing wrongs? Pictures of lynched blacks certainly helped turn the tide of civil rights in this country. We should make decisions based on intellectual judgement but often the engagement of our emotions is the impetus that gets the ball rolling. Are you saying that gruesome images have no effect on you?

[Charity]

I doubt that any image would effect a liberal unless they pretended it does for their own political gain.

[DesertFox]

I don't believe that showing the bloody results of an abortion is very convincing about how "sinful" abortion is. It's another one of those lame shock tactics.Yeah, and all them skeletons outta Cambodia and ashes outta Auschwitz were pretty lame shock tactics. At the end of the day, murder is a boring business that nobody with any sophistication would pay any mind to.

[Wyatt_Junker]

Yeah, and all them skeletons outta Cambodia and ashes outta Auschwitz were pretty lame shock tactics. At the end of the day, murder is a boring business that nobody with any sophistication would pay any mind to.

*chuckle*

:smirky:

[HomeschoolrsRUs]

What truth? The truth of what an aborted fetus looks like? Bla.

Ya know, I fully oppose killing animals for their furs, but I don't believe that waving posters of bloody skinned carcasses around the streets of big cities is the way to show that it's "a sin". That's just shock tactic propaganda and it's lame.

Similarly, I don't believe that showing the bloody results of an abortion is very convincing about how "sinful" abortion is. It's another one of those lame shock tactics. Calling fetuses "infants" or "children" or "toddlers" is another way people do that. Calling a fetus a fetus isn't misrepresentation or dehumanization... it's proper identification. People who want to present any kind of convincing argument in opposition of abortion should take note and build it on logic rather than pathos.

For as many people as there are that oppose it, you'd think that every now and then someone would come up with something a little bit better than "IT'S INFANT GENOCIDE!!!" or "THEY'RE MURDERING TODDLERS!!!" or "LOOK AT THIS BLOODY MANGLED PREBORN BABY!!!"

Gee, seeing the remains of the bloodied body of the child I aborted most CERTAINLY had a great impact on my stance regarding abortion. Oh, and the conversation I had with my biological mother when she told me had abortion been legal in 1963 instead of 1973 that she would have sucked me in a sink quicker than a miniute, well that had a great impact upon my stance regarding abortion as well.

If after asking a child, who touches the belly of a pregnant woman, what's wrong with her and she says "she's going to have a baby," it doesn't take much logic to realize the child is right. I've never seen a pregnant woman give birth to a giraffe, a dung beetle, or a penguin. What the woman is carrying, from conception to birth is a unique individual human life, it can be no other.

[ldb83]

If after asking a child, who touches the belly of a pregnant woman, what's wrong with her and she says "she's going to have a baby," it doesn't take much logic to realize the child is right.

I've made no argument for the contrary.

I've never seen a pregnant woman give birth to a giraffe, a dung beetle, or a penguin. What the woman is carrying, from conception to birth is a unique individual human life, it can be no other.

Again, I haven't argued something different. All I'm saying is that aborting a fetus and murdering an infant are different things, and people who equate them to argue against abortion are presenting dramatic misnomers. Conservatives are the bleeding-hearts when it comes to this, and if you think it's ineffective when a liberal acts that way, consider that you might be ineffective too as a bleeding-heart anti-abortionist.

Maybe I approach this issue from more of a legal slash political standpoint than an emotional one. That's probably why I don't oppose it to the same degree. Homeschool's reasons for opposing abortion are as valid as any I've ever heard, but those who really want it outlawed someday will probably have to abandon the sob-story approach before you should expect to persuade the masses. I don't think the bloody aftermath of a medical procedure will do it.

[HomeschoolrsRUs]

All I'm saying is that aborting a fetus and murdering an infant are different things, ...

How are they different?

They are both individual human life (seperate from that of the mother -- the preborn are NOT appendages NOR are they parasites). If you terminate their lives, do they not both cease to exist? Cease to live? There is no difference between zygote, embryo, fetus, infant, baby, toddler, child, youth, adolescent, young adult, middle aged adult, or senior adult EXCEPT stage of life. That you justify murder at one stage (termination, if you like), but not another, is simply hypocritical. If you follow your argument to the "logical" end, it should be hunky-dory to off the extremely elderly, they certainly cannot contribute anything useful to society and will merely be a burden, an inconvenience, require money and care.

Maybe I approach this issue from more of a legal slash political standpoint than an emotional one.

Legal and political standpoint? Okay, I can do that too.

What do the words of the FIRST founding document of this country say? (BTW, they are legal and political, :smirky: ) Let's take a look, shall we?

"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness."

Now let's break it down:

The rights above are 1) truth, 2) self-evident, 3) concern all men (mankind), 4) equal, 5) endowed by a Creator, 6) certain, and 7) unalienable. In other words they are completely understood, recognized, agreed upon, and individually specific. The first right listed is that of "Life." It can ONLY mean the right of existence, BECAUSE the other two rights deal with HOW we have a right to live that existence ... with liberty, and with the ability to pursue happiness (we are not granted the right TO happiness).

Ergo, each and every person's "right to life" (right to exist) is first and foremost before all other rights and extended equally to all, it is endowed by a Creator NOT man and therefore it is not man's to negate for another, it applies to ALL human life, it is individual specific, and is NOT negated by the right to "pursue happiness" (which could be claimed by the (so-called) "mother."

One final note, the DoE precedes the Constitution, SO if it is not specifically listed IN the Constitution, that means it was already agreed upon and settled PRIOR to the Constitution, and not forseen that anybody would EVER question or refute it.

That's probably why I don't oppose it to the same degree.

Hmmm, I oppose ALL murder to the same degree.

Homeschool's reasons for opposing abortion are as valid as any I've ever heard, ...

Valid, yet not persuasive, eh?

... but those who really want it outlawed someday will probably have to abandon the sob-story approach before you should expect to persuade the masses.

When a wrong is done, why shouldn't we exhaust all legal methods of righting it to the best of our ability? Guess all those stories and pictures of the dead Jews were simply part of a "sob-story approach," http://www.freeconservatives.com/vb/images/icons/icon9.gif .

I don't think the bloody aftermath of a medical procedure will do it.

As I have already proven that it does (I am at least one of many where this is the case), I don't necessarily believe that the course is the absolute best one, HOWEVER, I do think the pro-life movement is justified in using whatever (LEGAL) means are necessary to affect a change and stop the murder of the preborn.

One note, the visualization of a medical procedure CAN change hearts ... NOTHING has done more damage to the pro-abortion camp than that of the Ultrasound, and now with the new 3D technology people are REALLY seeing the truth.

http://images.google.com/images?q=tbn:yvRLIB09gMAfKM:www.rrvr.net/images/3D/13POUCE.jpg (http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.rrvr.net/images/3D/13POUCE.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.rrvr.net/3d.htm&h=292&w=406&sz=22&tbnid=yvRLIB09gMAfKM:&tbnh=87&tbnw=121&hl=en&start=5&prev=/images%3Fq%3D3D%2BSonogram%26svnum%3D10%26hl%3Den% 26lr%3D%26ie%3DUTF-8%26sa%3DN)

* And with this, I am now relocating this thread to the appropriate forum.

[Melz]

Hms you are wonderful, a true testament to the gift of life!

Idb's liberal anti-life views are rare in this country, or I can only hope so. The fact that these people are scared to see what they are killing is truth-telling. And it is evidence that some of these people are what I think they are-heartless cruel subjects just hoping that they are right about it all. Because if they are wrong about the sanctity of the creation of human life, we will not weep for what they become when the time comes to determine WHO'S life is more valuable.

[Timberwolf]

Homey, you ROCK!!

I've never seen the Preamble explained so well and so simply...heck, my 6 year old could understand you!!

Thank you, that one's being saved to my HD.

[HomeschoolrsRUs]

:icon126:

Aw shuckerdoodles. (Not hard even for a sparrow to soar when you're surrounded by eagles, :smirky: ). I'm just proud to be in such wonderful company.

[Eagle1]

sweet jesus,
the byproduct of a medical procedure??????
libs have more compassion for john bobbit's penis than they do for babies
i guess innocent life just pisses libs off

i dont know if the organization and their photos will do any good, but if just one life is saved then it is worth it

[lifeandliberty]

Truth Truck Impounded In Detroit And LLM Director Dennis Green Is Arrested And Jailed

LLM's Truth Truck was impounded today by the Detroit City Police, and Dennis Green, director of Life and Liberty Ministries, was arrested, cuffed and taken to jail.

LLM's Truth Truck arrived in town on Friday and met with immediate opposition from the Detroit Police Department.

On Friday evening, Dennis Green was issued a ticket for having no vehicle registration even as the ticketing officer held the reistration in his hand. Even though a supervisior was on the scene and was made aware of the bogus ticket, he refused to intervene and chose rather to let the injustice occur.

On Saturday, Feb. 4, LLM's Truth Truck was pulled over by several City police cars and Dennis Green was told that he could not drive the vehicle in the downtown area. Repeatedly the officers were asked to show the driver what ordinance was being violated but the officers instead only berated Mr. Green for his pro-life message and said that the truck was going to be impounded.

After towing the truck away, Dennis Green was issued a ticket for "Violation of temporary signage in the entertainment zone -- Failure to obtain petrmit." This was of course a ridiculous charge but it was the method used to remove the message from the street until after the Super Bowl.

Dennis was then approached and told that he was under arrest. He was cuffed, loaded into a police van and taken to jail.

Before towing the truck away, Mr. Green heard the police debating what was to be done with the truck. Two officers were talking about cutting the signs form the truck and the officer in charge was heard saying that he could not just issue a ticket because he believed it would not stop the truck from being driven. He said that the situation must be "dealt with by towing the vehicle away and holding it as evidence"

After three hours Dennis Green was bonded out of jail. He must appear in District Court on Wednesday, Feb. 8.

The Detroit Police Department is intolerant toward the Scriptural message that abortion is murder. Though the Detroit police department may feel that they won this battle, the King of the Universe remains intolerant of the shedding of innocent blood. His people will cry aloud and spare not until this and all sin is dealt with whether by repentance or judgement.

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[lifeandliberty]

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February 09, 2006
Here is information on how to contact the Detroit Chief of Police to voice your concerns:

Call 1-313-596-1800 then press # 9 for Chief, or e-mail her. Their system will allow you to leave a recorded message.

DETROIT POLICE DEPARTMENT
ELLA M. BULLY-CUMMINGS, ESQ. - Chief of Police
1300 Beaubien
Detroit, MI 48226

Free speech was the loser during the Super Bowl in Detroit. As you may have heard, Life and Liberty Ministries Director Dennis Green was arrested and jailed on Saturday and the LLM Truth Truck was impounded. Here is an update and a day by day recount of the harassment received from the DPD.

Feb. 3, Friday
Dennis Green and Jerry Penner begin to drive around Detroit's downtown area.

The Truth Truck is stopped and Dennis Green is told that he cannot drive the Truck on the streets. The streets were filled with other vehicles and all traffic laws were being adhered to. When asked what law was being violated, the officer angrily demands Mr. Green's drivers license and vehicle registration. Both are produced and the officer leaves the vehicle momentarily. He returns with a ticket for not having a vehicle registration even though he was holding the current registration in his hand.

Feb. 4, Saturday
12:00 - 2:40 PM - As The Truth Truck drove around the Cobo Center, it was stopped several times by officers saying that it could not drive on the street with the other traffic. Each time when asked what law was being violated, none was given. Mr. Green would eventually drive away with the officers acknowledging that it was his Constitutional Right to drive down the street.
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2:40 PM - The Truck is pulled over by four police cars and an impolite officer rudely asks Mr. Green what he thinks he is doing. The officer demands proof of registration and drivers license. Both are produced. Dennis is then asked to get out of the vehicle to be frisked. He is then told to stand outside of the vehicle in the snow as the officers discuss their next move. Two officers are overheard discussing how they could cut the signs from the vehicle and the officer in charge calls for a tow truck. After approximately 30 minutes, Mr. Green is approached as he was standing on the street and placed under arrest. He was charged with "failure to obtain a permit".
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Approximately 6:30PM - Dennis Green pays $100.00 bond to get out of jail.

Feb. 5, Sunday
Approximately 2:00PM - Mark Gabriel pulls over to look at a map (with flashers on). He is driving a van with pro-life and Gospel messages on the sides. The DPD immediately pull up and order Mark and John Stambaugh out of the vehicle. The vehicle is impounded and they are left standing on the street.

Cal Zastrow and Dennis Green go from one police station to another seeking information on the status of the impounded Truth Truck. Either false information or no information is repeatedly given. One officer said that she would not speak with them when they asked for directions to a different precinct address. They give up searching for the day.

For a couple hours, Dennis Green, Cal Zastrow, Chris Coatney and Michael Marcavage preach to the crowds who are entering Ford Field for the Super Bowl. They are on a public street with thousands of others milling about.
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DPD approach them and order them to cross the street. They obey. After standing in that location for several minutes, several police cars and a police prisoner transport van drive up. They are then ordered to drop their signs and leave the entired downtown area. They are told that signs are forbidden. Even as this is being said, there are many signs being held in the area by others. They are told that our signs specifically had to go since they deal with abortion. The signs are removed from their hands and an officer stands on them. They are given 60 seconds to leave the area or be arrested. When asked what law they had violated, none was given. When the officers were asked to identify themselves, they refused. When asked how far they had to go, they were told, "all the way to the river!" The officer in charge was the same that orchestrated Dennis Green's arrest the previous day.

Feb. 6, Monday
DPD continues to refuse to give information about the Truth Truck's status.

Feb. 7, Tuesday
Mark Gabriel's van is released after the payment of a $155.00 fee. In the late afternoon, the Truth Truck is finally released after a payment of a $250.00 fee.

Feb. 8, Wednesday
8:30 - 12:00 - Dennis Green sits in a Courtroom waiting for his case to be called. He is called into the hallway where an officer tells him that there is no paperwork on file and he can just go home.

In other words, he is asked to leave town and act like this never happened. The American Family Association's Center for Law and Policy will be representing Dennis Green in this matter.

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[Unity]

Argh, ldb83. You know... argh! With respect, is there any way you could quit trolling for two minutes? There are liberals on this board with whom I disagree, but at least I can respect their generally logical, considerate and unabrasive way of expressing their opinion (Tumblehome comes to mind). But you, buddy. You can't seem to let a single opportunity for controversy go by without attempting to get a rise out of someone.

It isn't your opinions (however unappealing I may find them) or that you're rude... point in fact, you're politer than some of the mods on this forum. But you still obviously post for the sole purpose of kicking up shiznit with everyone else and damned if it isn't getting under my skin. *sigh*

Just... give it a rest, man. Please?