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Charity
02-01-2006, 10:51 AM
<TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=5 width="100%" border=0><TBODY><TR><TD class=cover vAlign=center align=left width="50%" height=40>February Headlines 2006 (http://www.coralridge.org/imp/default.aspx)</TD><TD class=cover vAlign=center align=right width="50%">Next Story (http://www.coralridge.org/imp/impact02062.aspx)</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE><TABLE id=table5 cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0 width="100%" border=0><TBODY><TR><TD vAlign=top align=left width=420><TABLE id=table6 cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0 width=170 align=right border=0><TBODY><TR><TD>http://www.coralridge.org/imp/images/img-02061a.jpg</TD></TR><TR><TD>http://www.coralridge.org/imp/images/img-spacer.gif</TD></TR><TR><TD class=caption>at risk: Michael Newdow’s lawsuit challenging the national motto, “In God We Trust,” may lead to its removal from American currency and elsewhere, including from above the Speaker’s dais in the chamber of the U.S. House of Representatives. (Newscom) </TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>Newdow Attacks
“In God We Trust”

He’s back. Turned down by the U.S. Supreme Court in his bid to remove “Under God” from the Pledge of Allegiance, atheist Michael Newdow is at it again. He has returned to federal court with two lawsuits—one to remove God from the Pledge, and another filed in November to erase “In God We Trust” from our currency.
A federal district judge ruled for Newdow on the Pledge suit in September, citing a 2002 decision from the U.S. 9th Circuit Court of Appeals that the words “under God” render the Pledge unconstitutional. That ruling will be appealed to the 9th Circuit, which may once more rule against the Pledge and create one more opportunity for the Supreme Court to resolve the issue. The Court sidestepped Newdow’s original Pledge suit by dismissing it in 2004 on technical grounds, without addressing the merits of his claim.

Newdow Optimistic
In Newdow’s other suit to eliminate America’s national motto, he has embraced an even more ambitious undertaking. He is optimistic about the outcome.
“I think when I win this case, I’m going to win it on RFRA,” said Newdow, referring to the Religious Freedom Restoration Act. RFRA requires the presence of a “compelling” state interest to justify anything that “substantially burdens” religious freedom.
“I think they’re going to have a heck of a time,” said Newdow of efforts to defend the motto. “Thank you Congress; there has to be a compelling interest. Why don’t you tell me the compelling interest about having God as our motto?”
“In God We Trust” has been on America’s money since 1864, when it was first added to the two-cent coin during the Civil War. Congress mandated in 1955 that it appear on all coins and currency and made “In God We Trust” our national motto in 1956.
All of that is unconstitutional, according to the Rev. Dr. Newdow, an emergency room physician with a law degree. Newdow is also the founder of his own atheistic “church,” the First Amendmist Church of True Science, of which he is a self-styled “Grand Lubitz.”

<TABLE class=co2 id=table7 cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=10 width="100%" border=0><TBODY><TR><TD vAlign=top align=middle>“We better take this one seriously,” said constitutional attorney Herbert W. Titus. “Otherwise, we’re going to see a very strong erosion of the references to God at the federal level.”</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>
Newdow charges in his brief that it is “deeply offensive” for the government to advocate what he “specifically decries.” Not only is he offended, he alleges a long list of other grievances in his suit. The motto turns him into a “political outsider,” forces him to pay tax dollars for a religious notion, infringes his right to exercise his religion, and violates his rights under the Religious Freedom Restoration Act, as well as his free speech and equal protection rights.
But does the motto impose an obligation on him to believe in God? “No,” Newdow acknowledged in an interview.

Life’s Mission
For Newdow, a coin collector from childhood, the words “In God We Trust” are the original source of his anti-God legal activism. He writes in his brief that he was looking at his collection during Thanksgiving 1997 “when he again noticed ‘In God We Trust’ on all of his coins and currency. That phrase—which he had always considered offensive—struck an especially disharmonious chord that day and triggered the efforts that will likely, to a large extent, define this man’s life.”
The problem with the motto, he claimed, is that it “places the government on one side in the quintessential theological debate: Does God exist? This is forbidden under the Federal Constitution.”
“That would be news to the First Congress,” said Dr. Kennedy. “The same Congress that in 1789 passed the First Amendment, which Mr. Newdow relies on to eliminate the motto, immediately afterwards asked President George Washington to declare a day of public thanksgiving and prayer—to God. The Congress responsible for the First Amendment was itself not neutral on the question of God’s existence.”
According to Christian constitutional attorney Herbert W. Titus, the text of the Constitution is not silent on the question of God’s existence, either. It states that it was, “Done in http://www.coralridge.org/imp/images/img-02061c.gifconvention ... in the year of our Lord” 1787. Newdow dismissed that reference to Jesus Christ as a “term of art,” but Titus called it “a very significant statement in light of the fact that, contemporaneously, the French were jettisoning the Christian calendar” during the French Revolution.
Whether Newdow will win is unknown, but the fact that he is bringing this suit in the 9th U.S. Circuit, where the Pledge has already been ruled unconstitutional, greatly improves his chances of vetoing the desire of millions to acknowledge God in our currency.

Serious Threat
Titus, who helped Roy Moore defend an Alabama display of the Ten Commandments, said Christians have in the past failed to respond quickly to attacks on references to God in public life. “We better take this one seriously,” he said. “Otherwise, we’re going to see a very strong erosion of the references to God at the federal level.”
However the courts may rule, Newdow’s campaign does not sit well with the American public. A Fox News poll in November 2005 found that 81 percent of Americans disagree with the statement that religion should be “excluded from public life.” Some 90 percent want “under God” kept in the Pledge of Allegiance and 93 percent want to keep “In God We Trust” on our monies.

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DoctorDoom
02-01-2006, 02:28 PM
Newdow needs a personal introduction to Mad Murray O'Hairball in her new place of residence.

<img src="http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v349/DocDoom777/pitchfork.gif" />

Kathy29
02-01-2006, 02:50 PM
Are we sharing some wishful thinking?

DoctorDoom
02-01-2006, 05:26 PM
It's Newdow's choice. The timing is the only issue.

SmellyFed
02-01-2006, 05:32 PM
It's Newdow's choice. The timing is the only issue.

Something tells me the first time Newdow looks down there barrel of a gun he'll say two words, "OH GOD..."

http://static.flickr.com/27/43383850_c76de7f6f9_m.jpg

Nothing says "convert now" like a .12 gauge sawed off.

routerider
02-01-2006, 06:21 PM
Something tells me the first time Newdow looks down there barrel of a gun he'll say two words, "OH GOD..."

http://static.flickr.com/27/43383850_c76de7f6f9_m.jpg

Nothing says "convert now" like a .12 gauge sawed off.


You might be surprised. I recently saw a fella go through a bout with cancer. He didn't believe in God and never appealed to God to save him or heal him. He stuck by his guns til the death and didn't hesitate doing so.

I can't say I agree with atheists, but the idea that "there are no atheists in foxholes" is pretty untrue.

True Grace
02-01-2006, 06:26 PM
There are no atheists in hell.

Warlady
02-01-2006, 07:43 PM
There are no atheists in hell.

You sure about that?

I don't think we have anything to worry about now that Alito has replaced Sandra Day O'Connor.

True Grace
02-01-2006, 08:01 PM
You sure about that?

Absolutely. ;)

I figure when they find themselves in hell, they've pretty much figured out they were wrong.

And let's not forget:

For this reason also, God highly exalted Him, and bestowed on Him the name which is above every name, so that at the name of Jesus every knee will bow, of those who are in heaven and on earth and under the earth, and that every tongue will confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father. Philipians 2:9-11


So no, there will be no atheists in hell.

Warlady
02-01-2006, 08:15 PM
Absolutely. ;)

I figure when they find themselves in hell, they've pretty much figured out they were wrong.

And let's not forget:

For this reason also, God highly exalted Him, and bestowed on Him the name which is above every name, so that at the name of Jesus every knee will bow, of those who are in heaven and on earth and under the earth, and that every tongue will confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father. Philipians 2:9-11


So no, there will be no atheists in hell.

The above post makes ABSOLUTELY no sense to me. How can you say this "I figure when they find themselves in hell, they've pretty much figured out they were wrong." and then say they won't be in hell????????? You can't find yourself in hell and then not be there. I don't recall reading about an exit door in hell.

SmellyFed
02-01-2006, 08:18 PM
WL, I think she's trying to say something like -

Atheists dont believe in hell, so when they consciously awake in hell they'll realize they were wrong (in life) not to believe in hell. At that point they will no longer be atheists but they'll still be in hell.

Longhorn_Platinum
02-01-2006, 08:23 PM
:unsmile: Atheïsts say that Hell doesn't exist. Therefore, when an atheïst goes to Hell, he/she/it/hillary ceases to be an atheïst.

True Grace
02-01-2006, 08:26 PM
WL, I think she's trying to say something like -

Atheists dont believe in hell, so when they consciously awake in hell they'll realize they were wrong (in life) not to believe in hell. At that point they will no longer be atheists but they'll still be in hell.

Yes, that's what I'm trying to say.

I think all people, regardless of whether they end up in heaven or hell, will know there is a God with 100% certainty. Unfortunately for many people, that realization will come too late.

It's easy to for someone to deny God's existence here on earth. It won't be so easy when that person is standing right before Him on Judgment Day.

Sorry, I didn't mean to confuse anyone. I thought I was just being clever. :uhh:

Beowulf
02-01-2006, 09:00 PM
Enough already!! Would somebody please attack Newdon? He's a pain few would miss.

Warlady
02-01-2006, 09:13 PM
Thanks everyone and especially to True Grace. I was confoosed but now I'm not. It's kind of like as a nurse I've never met an atheist on their death bed. Not once.

DoctorDoom
02-01-2006, 09:39 PM
You wouldn't want to, dear lady.

William Pope (friends described his deathchamber as a scene of terror as he died crying): "I have no contrition. I cannot repent. God will damn me. I know the day of grace is past... You see one who is damned forever... Oh, eternity, eternity! Nothing for me but hell. Come, eternal torments... I hate everything God has made, only I have no hatred for the devil. I wish to be with him. I long to be in hell. Do you not see? Do you not see him? He is coming for me."

Colonel Charteris: "I would gladly give 30,000 pounds to have it proved to my satisfaction that there is no such place as hell."

Voltaire: "I am abandoned by God and man. I will give you half of what I am worth if you will give me six months' life. Then I shall go to hell; and you will go with me. O Christ! O Jesus Christ!" (The attending nurse later said, "For all the wealth in Europe I would not see another infidel die.")

SmellyFed
02-01-2006, 09:48 PM
Another Voltaire deathbed quote - On his deathbed, to a priest asking that he renounce Satan:

<DT>"Now, now, my good man, this is no time for making enemies."</DT>

Melz
02-01-2006, 10:22 PM
You sure about that?

I don't think we have anything to worry about now that Alito has replaced Sandra Day O'Connor.

Dear WL, I believe you are right! I cannot wait for him to weigh in as a vote for the pro-life and Christian decisions which come before them. We see enough of the anti-life, anti-Christian judgements to make me give up on the dictators we call judges.

Lets hope that Alito is one of the answers to our prayers!

aaron11
02-02-2006, 04:59 PM
Newdow is a loser, none of his cases have passed muster in real Courtrooms not ruled over by leftist wacko's.

I wonder if this idiot realizes that he is playing with fire? Me thinks' that even if the smuck won, the backlash would be great enough that in the end he (Newdow) will have only succeeded in waking a sleeping giant (The Christian Right.)!

Pendragon_6
02-02-2006, 05:44 PM
Newdow has:

http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2005-2/955825/shit-for-brains1.JPG

DeclinetoState
02-02-2006, 07:17 PM
Another Voltaire deathbed quote - On his deathbed, to a priest asking that he renounce Satan:



<DT>"Now, now, my good man, this is no time for making enemies."<DT>Don't know how true this is, or how it could be proved one way or the other:



Voltaire's last moments are described by Wagniere. We again take Carlyle's translation: -- He expired about a quarter past eleven at night, with the most perfect tranquillity, after having suffered the cruelest pains in consequence of those fatal drugs, which his own imprudence, and especially that of the persons who should have looked to it, made him swallow. Ten minutes before his last breath he took the hand of Morand, his valet-de-chambre, who was, watching him; pressed it, and said, "Adieu, mon cher Morand, je me meurs -- Adieu, my dear Morand, I am gone." These are the last words uttered by M. de Voltaire. [Carlyle, Vol. II., p. 160.]

Such are the facts of Voltaire's decease. He made no recantation, he refused to utter or sign a confession of faith, but with the connivance of his nephew, the Abbe Mignot, he tricked the Church into granting him a decent burial, not choosing to be flung into a ditch or buried like a dog. His heresy was never seriously questioned at the time, and the clergy actually clamored for the expulsion of the Prior, who had allowed his body to be interred in a church vault." [Parton, Vol. II., p. 165.]
http://www.infidels.org/library/historical/george_foote/infidel_deathbeds.html#1.80
</DT>

Maggie_T
02-02-2006, 07:23 PM
Newdon attacks "In God We Trust"

Oh, for Pete's sake, is this piece of excrement still harping on this? :rolleyes:

Thank God for Alito and Roberts. I don't think they'll put up with this nonsense any longer.

Warlady
02-02-2006, 07:25 PM
I agree Maggie. They are both God-fearing conservatives with family values. That's why the leftwing nutjobs in the Senate and elsewhere hate them so much.

DoctorDoom
02-02-2006, 08:07 PM
Herbert Lockyer, the eminent scholar, wrote this in "All The Last Words of Saints and Sinners":

VOLTAIRE , the noted French infidel and one of the most fertile and talented writers of his time, used his pen to retard and demolish Christianity. Of Christ, Voltaire said: "Curse the wretch!" He once boasted, "In twenty years Christianity will be no more. My single hand will destroy the edifice it took twelve apostles to rear." Shortly after his death the very house in which he printed his foul literature became the depot of the Geneva Bible Society. The nurse who attended Voltaire said: "For all the wealth in Europe I would not see another infidel die." The physician, Trochim, waiting up with Voltaire at his death said that he cried out most desperately:

"I am abandoned by God and man! I will give you half of what I am worth if you will give me six months' life. Then I shall go to hell; and you will go with me. O Christ! O Jesus Christ!LAST WORDS: Voltaire, Shakespeare (http://www.greekbelievers.com/content.php?article.24)

So there are two seemingly incompatible narrations. But are they? Note this:

Ten minutes before his last breath he took the hand of Morand, his valet-de-chambre, who was, watching him; pressed it, and said, "Adieu, mon cher Morand, je me meurs -- Adieu, my dear Morand, I am gone." These are the last words uttered by M. de Voltaire. [Carlyle, Vol. II., p. 160.]Ten minutes is a long time. The atheists quote Carlyle, but they certainly would not cite the words of Dr. Trochim, the attending physician, because they would blow their "arguments" to powder.

Warlady
02-02-2006, 08:47 PM
Doc you are so knowledgeable. Thanks for the history lesson.

Tumblehome
02-03-2006, 12:57 AM
Anybody recall what the US's original motto was? I used to know but forgot. Was it a motto not worth keeping? All this controversy seems to be about the "in god we trust" motto and nobody seems to be mentioning the original one and why it was insufficient or why it should be brought back (if it should).

Rhino
02-03-2006, 07:35 AM
Anybody recall what the US's original motto was?"Go whine somewhere else."

Yes, let's bring that back.

DesertFox
02-03-2006, 11:13 AM
Michael "rectal cavity" Newdow, again showing his ass in public.





Oh! That's his FACE

queue
02-03-2006, 01:48 PM
Anybody recall what the US's original motto was?E Pluribus Unum (http://www.bartleby.com/65/ep/EPluribu.html)

JohnSteel
02-03-2006, 10:28 PM
Anybody recall what the US's original motto was? I used to know but forgot. Was it a motto not worth keeping?
Out of many, one seems to me that it's a lot better than the multiculturalism garbage we have today. I have to wonder: if we had kept it would we have embraced multiculturalism?

All this controversy seems to be about the "in god we trust" motto and nobody seems to be mentioning the original one and why it was insufficient or why it should be brought back (if it should).
http://www.restorethepledge.com/ Newdow's website, I think. I'm not shure if it is officially his.

http://members.tripod.com/~candst/ A pro church - state seperation webpage with a lot of info.

http://candst.tripod.com/ingodwe.htm

dcanner
02-03-2006, 11:53 PM
hey rhino, i loved this one:
"Go whine somewhere else."

Yes, let's bring that back.

I have to show off SC's license plate just once more. I really don't think that South Carolinians will give these up--they're immensely popular...don't know if you can read it--it says "In God We Trust" across the top<!-- / message --><!-- sig -->