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MSGT
02-12-2006, 09:31 AM
Two employees have been injected with RFID (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RFID) chips this week as part of a new requirement to access their company's datacenter.

Cincinnati based surveillance company CityWatcher.com (http://citywatcher.com/) created the policy with the hopes of increasing security in the datacenter where video surveillance tapes are stored.

http://www.securityfocus.com/brief/134

Wolfcounsel
02-12-2006, 09:41 AM
The same old sing song with these electronically-minded clowns. If all these RFIDs were required by the government to be made free of charge to all parties, the whole crap would end right there. It's all a money-making scheme thought up by college graduate engineer types who have no lives.

Rink
02-12-2006, 09:54 AM
Give it time this kind of thing will become MANDATORY with time, forcing everyone who works at a job to be 'chipped' in order to keep that job, and those that refuse will be left jobless.

All in the name of 'security'

Then elsewhere they'll introduce this chipping as a means to keep your children and elderly safe, then later make such a thing mandatory for safety And security.

Wont be long people wont be able to buy or sell without the 'chip'

Give it time.

Wolfcounsel
02-12-2006, 10:06 AM
Well, who wants to be the volunteer to attempt to shove that leash up my ass? Heh heh heh.

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aaron11
02-12-2006, 10:20 AM
Wolfy is right, no F'n way...

Rink
02-12-2006, 10:28 AM
Ya wont have much choice when it comes to either being jobless and without benefits because you chose NOT to be chipped, hey its all in the name of safety & security right?

Who cares whether or not you cant pay the bills or put food on the table.

They'll get their way eventually, and with that, they're salivating over the time when they get their way completely worldwide.

Eagle1
02-12-2006, 10:36 AM
rfid is much better for inventory and things like that, for human implants it really doesnt make it much easier, after all, someone who could break in and steal that stuff anyway surely has the means to reproduce a rf

either way though, i have been buying stock in rfid companies for about a year now, in a little while the market for them will explode

TSawyer2112
02-12-2006, 10:39 AM
Give it time this kind of thing will become MANDATORY with time, forcing everyone who works at a job to be 'chipped' in order to keep that job, and those that refuse will be left jobless.

All in the name of 'security'

Then elsewhere they'll introduce this chipping as a means to keep your children and elderly safe, then later make such a thing mandatory for safety And security.

Wont be long people wont be able to buy or sell without the 'chip'
Give it time. "He also forced everyone, small and great, rich and poor, free and slave, to receive a mark on his right hand or on his forhead, so that no one could buy or sell unless he had the mark, which is the name of the beast or the number of his name." Revalation 13:18 Holy Bible NIV

Wolfcounsel
02-12-2006, 01:03 PM
"They'll get their way eventually, and with that, they're salivating over the time when they get their way completely worldwide." --Rink

Will those RFIDs the powers that be salivate over protect them from weapons aimed at their vital spots? I predict a World War of fantastic proportions, worthy of a movie, after the apocaplyse of the elite, power-mad assholes.<!-- / message --><!-- sig -->

Rink
02-12-2006, 01:52 PM
Gotta love ya Wolfie, may I ask, when the merde hits the roteurs, izzit possible I can call on you to counsel the fear of God in those salivating morons for me? :D

routerider
02-12-2006, 01:54 PM
"He also forced everyone, small and great, rich and poor, free and slave, to receive a mark on his right hand or on his forhead, so that no one could buy or sell unless he had the mark, which is the name of the beast or the number of his name." Revalation 13:18 Holy Bible NIV

The chip doesn't go into your wrist or forehead.

Rink
02-12-2006, 01:57 PM
Give it time when people start loosing limbs to unscupulous thieves they'll demand the next best thing be imbedded in the hand AND the head in order to prevent any theft.

routerider
02-12-2006, 02:03 PM
Give it time when people start loosing limbs to unscupulous thieves they'll demand the next best thing be imbedded in the hand AND the head in order to prevent any theft.


I would imagine the chip thieves could steal the chip irregardless of where it's planted...especially if they're willing to hack limbs off.

cerberus
02-12-2006, 02:04 PM
That's some pretty neat technology right there.

...my cyborg army is being prepared for me.....lol

Wolfcounsel
02-12-2006, 04:42 PM
Anytime, Rink!:thumb:

Rink
02-12-2006, 07:17 PM
Thank you Wolfie! :D :thumb:

DoctorDoom
02-12-2006, 08:06 PM
Point: this is a private company dealing in security issues. The employees are not conscripts. They freely applied to work there. Without a doubt they were told of the nature of the business and informed of the necessity for internal security methodology.

One assumes that they willfully agreed to the RFID chip to gain access to an area containing highly sensitive material. Badges can be duplicated. Properly encoded RFID chips are far more difficult to replicate.

This particular application is justifiable. The danger lies in its enforced use in society at large.

ThomasMore
02-12-2006, 08:18 PM
Doom, I absolutely agree...in principle.

There is a huge difference between the action of a company and its willing employees, and government compulsion.

Nonetheless, it sets a chilling precedent. Once one company does it, more will. Then perhaps the military, or prisoners. Gradually it will become more acceptable. Eventually, it will become like the Social Security ("not to be used for identification") number -- only much more invasive and much more comprehensive.

I can very easily see the application of RFID for my profession. Why carry ID cards which can be stolen or phonied up, into dozens of airports, when a subcutaneous ID chip can easily and with certainty provide identification?

2nd_Amendment
02-12-2006, 08:49 PM
Sorry, even private enterprise has limits. Such a "mandatory" policy violates the employee's rights. If it were "mandatory" for everyone to work naked, thus preventing goods from being sneaked out under clothing, would that be ok since it is a private firm? Of course not. Maybe if they simply required evey employee to work all day with both hands completely bound? Tie two employees together? Pick any invasion of physical privacy and space you want. All the same, flat out unacceptable.

Regardless, all this crap is just laying the ground work. This, the store testing in Kentucky, National Animal ID(got a new blog entry up: http://stopanimalid.org/blog/?p=7 ) whatever. Just gearing up for the mandatory chipping of everyone.

But that goes right along with the New World Religion: http://www.uri.org/

It's later than you think...MUCH later.

DoctorDoom
02-12-2006, 09:18 PM
Sorry, even private enterprise has limits. Such a "mandatory" policy violates the employee's rights.The employees are not chained there. They're free to leave if they claim that their "right" to access restricted areas is being violated by requiring them to have ID for entry. And they're free to reject the chip and have their access to the one area denied.

It's a non-issue in this particular case. So shall we have government intervention in this?

2nd_Amendment
02-12-2006, 09:30 PM
Your position translates into allowing private business to do whatever they want. Seriously, let's have 'em come in naked. They can always quit... OTOH we can't seriously want government to step in and **** it up...erm, "do something"...

Our technology has outstripped our morality. Actually, our morality is receding as quickly as our technology is advancing... Whatever, the fact is there is no handy solution here, but you can't seriously support the position you have because we both know you would not take it to its potential conclusion(do whatever you the employee are told under the guise of security/profitability/convenience or quit).

But anyway, the problem is a lot bigger than just chipping employees. This is just a handy example of how ugly it's going to get for everyone eventually. There's a reason for it, too, and that's a lot bigger than any of us.