Harry Browne, Libertarian candidate, dies

[HomeschoolrsRUs]

Harry Browne, Libertarian candidate, dies (http://www.upi.com/NewsTrack/view.php?StoryID=20060302-054923-6723r)

FRANKLIN, Tenn., March 2 (UPI) -- Harry Browne, a two-time Libertarian Party candidate for U.S. president, has died at the age of 72.

Browne died Wednesday at his home in Franklin, Tenn. He had suffered from amyotrophic lateral sclerosis -- Lou Gehrig's disease -- for some time, a publicist said.

[Warlady]

He must have had it for some time including when he was running for President. How deceptive of him not to inform his party members. I'm sorry for his family but I can't tell a lie. He was a whacko.

[Republican_Legion]

He must have had it for some time including when he was running for President. How deceptive of him not to inform his party members. I'm sorry for his family but I can't tell a lie. He was a whacko.

Was he one of those Libertarian anarchist wackos who thinks 'limited goverment' means zero goverment of anyform ?

[DeclinetoState]

<TABLE width=500 align=center border=0><TBODY><TR><TD width=500>by Harry Browne
September 12, 2001


</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE><CENTER><TABLE borderColor=#ffffff cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=8 width=525 align=center border=0><TBODY><TR bgColor=#ffffff><TD>The terrorist attacks against America comprise a horrible tragedy. But they shouldn't be a surprise.

It is well known that in war, the first casualty is truth – that during any war truth is forsaken for propaganda. But sanity was a prior casualty: it was the loss of sanity that led to war in the first place.

Our foreign policy has been insane for decades. It was only a matter of time until Americans would have to suffer personally for it. It is a terrible tragedy of life that the innocent so often have to suffer for the sins of the guilty.

When will we learn that we can't allow our politicians to bully the world without someone bullying back eventually?

President Bush has authorized continued bombing of innocent people in Iraq. President Clinton bombed innocent people in the Sudan, Afghanistan, Iraq, and Serbia. President Bush Senior invaded Iraq and Panama. President Reagan bombed innocent people in Libya and invaded Grenada. And on and on it goes.

Did we think the people who lost their families and friends and property in all that destruction would love America for what happened?

When will we learn that violence always begets violence?






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http://www.antiwar.com/orig/browne2.html

Even though it's dated September 12, 2001, it looks like it--or parts of it--might have been written later.

[Republican_Legion]

Browne is enough proof that the Libertarian party is the LiberalTerrorian party.

[Warlady]

Was he one of those Libertarian anarchist wackos who thinks 'limited goverment' means zero goverment of anyform ?

Yes he was. He was also pro-drug legalization, pro-same sex marriage, anti-war of any kind for any reason, pro-abortion and anything goes as long as it didn't harm him. To heck with the affect it had on society. I could go on but it's late.

[Republican_Legion]

He was also anti-war of any kind for any reason

Yikes sounds like even Hitlery Clinton would be better then him.
So browne would not declare war if china sent its whole navy to our shores and its soldiers march up our coasts and capture southern San Diego County California....would browne still not even order our troops to defend this country or would he tell them to surrender ? I think he would tell them to surrender.

If Harry Browne were president he'd be impeached for his Uber-Isane treason commiting behavior , the Republicans and even the democrats would Impeach him.

The LiberalTerrorian Candidate for president in 2004 said he would withdrawl US forces from Iraq immediatly if elected. Thank God the LiberalTerrorians never win elections.

[sunsettommy]

Harry Browne typifies the weaknesses of the Libertarian philosophy.

They are terrible on foreign folicy issues.So anti war to the point of stupidity.

They carry the anarchic ideas way too far.They have a pie in the sky expectations that we can return to a limited government of 200 years ago.

The only good area is economics and that can be done throught thinks tanks.No need for a political party since they are almost unelectable due to other areas that are bad..

The party will never take off untill they realize they have to embrace some sort of national defense that can go beyond our borders.

Sometimes I think they have a childlike outlook on solving problems.

[Native American]

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September 12, 2001

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President Bush has authorized continued bombing of innocent people in Iraq.






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Man oh man, what a sick b*stard liar Browne was!

Good riddance to bad Libertarian garbage.

[DeclinetoState]

Well, I think that despite the date on the piece, the comment about Bush bombing Iraq was added later. However, if my hypothesis is right, that only speaks to the carelessness with which the page was put together, and suggests that the Libertarians aren't all that careful with the facts.

Admittedly, a lot of Democrats and liberal Republicans aren't much better.

[Dowple]

I saw a Libertarian Party convention on CSPAN or some such once. It was full of cranks and crackpots. Russell Means of the radical American Indian Movement was a delegate! Other delegates had moved a motion whereby all individuals should have the right to own atomic weapons. Others wanted a Pan American constitution that abolished all borders within the Western hemisphere.

[Etaoin]

Harry Browne deserves someone to speak up for him. It looks like I am elected.

Harry's reputation was made in economics. He was a good and effective (for his subscribers) advisor. One of his best suggestions for wealth protection (and accretion) was to divide your savings into thirds, 1/3 Stocks, 1/3 Bonds and 1/3 Gold. on the same date each year, the portfolio was to be readjusted for the variation in each category and again changed to 1/3 of each category. This policy would consistently yield at least 5%. It actually works!

As to the Libertarian's views on drugs, they are quite rational! I disapprove of drugs, but I disagree more with the anti drug laws
We have had 45 years of the government creating a market for "free marketeer" drug runners. By any standard you may choose, the government's program has failed while it has corrupted the police and and created crime and filled our jails with users and sellers. By making it illegal, it has created criminal syndicates, created a situation where criminal gangs in many countries actually threaten to overthrow legitimate governments!

If you really want to outlaw drugs, then you have to go all the way into a totalitarian state such as Singapore where an ounce or two merits the death sentence!

Laws and namby pamby punishment will not and cannot succeed. Only massive societal disapproval and refusal to tolerate any drug user will accomplish it. E.g. Should it become known that a popular movie star uses any drugs, then total rejection by society would remove his/her livelihood. But to date, druggies are NOT isolated or fired, BECAUSE SOCIETY IS NOT ANTI-DRUG! The fact that most of their cinema heroes or idols are scumbags, amoral and immoral drug users doesn't draw disapproval or rejection. Rather, it seems to make their bizarre life styles and swinging partners more appealing. If you think not, check out any cashier line in any grocery store and look at the trash. Anyone reading that trash should be automatically disenfranchised!!! Harry may have gone a bit over the edge (as most politicans do) but he was true to his standards! I could tolerate Harry as President far easier than trash like the Clintons!

[The_Sonarman]

Ditto everything my esteemed colleague Etaoin said.

Harry Browne wrote several excellent books. Perhaps some posters to this thread might read them, prior to rushing for the Tar and Feathers.

www.harrybrowne.org

About Harry Browne
http://www.harrybrowne.org/about.htm

[EveningStar]

He was also pro-drug legalization, pro-same sex marriage, anti-war of any kind for any reason, pro-abortion and anything goes as long as it didn't harm him. To heck with the affect it had on society. I could go on but it's late.

I did not disagree with him on pro-drug legalization or pro-same sex marriage. However, I violently disagreed with him in his isolationist views. As to abortion, Browne was pro-life but he did not want the government involved in abortions.

[Republican_Legion]

Harry Browne was the Libertarian version of Michael Moore.

[Etaoin]

Harry Browne was the Libertarian version of Michael Moore.

Not hardly, Legion. You should take Sonar's advice. If you read some, you might learn something about the errors of rushing to judgment on insufficient information.

Usually that is a characteristic of the habitues of the DU!

Incidentally, his pacifism is well rooted in this nation's constitution. While I concur with Bush's Iraq, Why do we still have troops spread out all over the world? Good God, it is 60 years since the end of WW11 and we still have bases all over Europe! And it is 16 years since the demise of the Communist Russia! Too many nations echo the Brit's WW11 complaint about the Yanks. "THEY ARE OVER PAID, OVER SEXED AND OVER HERE)!

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[Republican_Legion]

Usually that is a characteristic of the habitues of the DU!


hmmm.
This link shows Browne was more of the character of a DUer http://www.antiwar.com/orig/browne2.html

[Etaoin]

hmmm.
This link shows Browne was more of the character of a DUer http://www.antiwar.com/orig/browne2.html

That commentary certainly does not correlate to the filth and lies perpetrated by the quite clever Michael Moore.

I share many of Browne's concerns when I look at the idiocy of the TSA's and Air Marshals. War always makes inroads into an individual's freedoms, and after the war, many are not returned to the people. E.G. I believe it was in 1942, the need for war funds caused the congress to accept a proposal devised by Beardsley Ruml. B.R. (Before Ruml) on March 15, every tax payer submitted his taxes to the Government. Ruml proposed the withholding tax as a solution to the problem. This brought in the revenue on a steady stream and forced Employers to be unpaid servitors of the State. After the war was over, a woman manufacturer from Connecticut fought the withholding all the way to the Supreme court...which ruled against her as they maintained that a 170 year old government could no longer funtion without this violation of individual freedom!

Frankly, there are propositions in FEMA that scare me, Home Security is merely an add on. when you pore over the fine print, these are two very dangerous programs wrapped in "sheep's clothing."

This is a brief article @ Ruml, but if you have the time, Google Beardsley Ruml. http://www.hooverdigest.org/993/shlaes.html

[sunsettommy]

Harry Browne was the Libertarian version of Michael Moore.

I have one of Harry Browne's book and have read parts of two of Mike Moore's books.There is a vast gulf between the two.

Harry is clear in his writings and is not a liar.It is quite easy to understand what he thinks and believes on issues he brings up.

Mike is not clear in his writings and is a liar,over and over and over.He is a poor writer with incoherent thoughts that makes no sense.

Harry Browne was one of the few people who was very confident in the solutions people would bring up to solve the 1999 transfer to 2000 on the internet.YTK.

I have also read his periodic colums in the magazine REASON I subscribed for few years in the 1990's.Harry is ALWAYS articulate in his writing.

Mike Moore is a man who is doing what he does to make money and the hell with good ethics.

Harry does it because of his principles he lives by and generally a good guy.

So on and on......

[Republican_Legion]

The guy was still wacko for his anti-american anti-war rants.
It really shows your real colors when you defend an Anti-War hippy like browne.
http://www.antiwar.com/orig/browne2.html

[ducktapehero]

Quote from Harry Browne First of all, stop the hysteria. Stand back and ask how this could have happened. Ask how a prosperous country isolated by two oceans could have so embroiled itself in other people's business that someone would want to do us harm. Even sitting in the middle of Europe, Switzerland isn't beset by terrorist attacks, because the Swiss mind their own businessI have to agree with this.

[EveningStar]

Quote from Harry Browne I have to agree with this.
Yes. I agree. The Swiss mind their own business. Let's quote "Harry Lime" from "The Third Man":

...in Italy for 30 years under the Borgias they had warfare, terror, murder, and bloodshed, but they produced Michelangelo, Leonardo da Vinci, and the Renaissance. In Switzerland they had brotherly love - they had 500 years of democracy and peace, and what did that produce? The cuckoo clock...
Yes. The US does not mind it's own business. We care too much about humanity and freedom.

[Etaoin]

Yes. I agree. The Swiss mind their own business. Let's quote "Harry Lime" from "The Third Man":


Yes. The US does not mind it's own business. We care too much about humanity and freedom.

That is a true statement, but it implies that there is not a cost! Just how much are we to pay to spread what we believe? We use an ever inflated dollar while the Muslims spend the lives of their ( stupid?) youths.

The situation is being discussed solely on our (the conservatives) view of the situation. The fact is that the "enemies" position must be considered as relevant. America's ideals and traditions are not structured to combat a religious war! Examine your views of the situation as though we were following your position. I suspect you would be "dog meat."

[sunsettommy]

The guy was still wacko for his anti-american anti-war rants.
It really shows your real colors when you defend an Anti-War hippy like browne.
http://www.antiwar.com/orig/browne2.html

In case you did not see the other guys name,I will repeat it again.

MIKE MOORE
This is whom I was comparing Browne with.
Browne was a nice man with peculiar ideas.
Mike Moore is a dirtbag lying for money.

Then I repeat my earlier post you must have missed,


Harry Browne typifies the weaknesses of the Libertarian philosophy.

They are terrible on foreign folicy issues.So anti war to the point of stupidity.

They carry the anarchic ideas way too far.They have a pie in the sky expectations that we can return to a limited government of 200 years ago.

The only good area is economics and that can be done throught thinks tanks.No need for a political party since they are almost unelectable due to other areas that are bad..

The party will never take off untill they realize they have to embrace some sort of national defense that can go beyond our borders.

Sometimes I think they have a childlike outlook on solving problems.


I am assured that you are irritatingly dense.

[The_Sonarman]

The World's Smallest Quiz

http://www.theadvocates.org/quiz.html

[HomeschoolrsRUs]

ACCORDING TO YOUR ANSWERS, You fall exactly on the border of two political philosophies...
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CONSERVATIVE / LIBERTARIAN

CONSERVATIVES tend to favor economic freedom, but frequently support laws to restrict personal behavior that violates "traditional values." They oppose excessive government control of business,
while endorsing government action to defend morality and the traditional family structure. Conservatives usually support a strong military, oppose bureaucracy and high taxes, favor a free-market economy, and endorse strong law enforcement.

LIBERTARIANS support maximum liberty in both personal and economic matters. They advocate a much smaller government; one that is limited to protecting individuals from coercion and violence. Libertarians tend to embrace individual responsibility, oppose government bureaucracy and taxes, promote private charity, tolerate diverse lifestyles, support the
free market, and defend civil liberties.

The RED DOT on the Chart shows where you fit on the political map.
http://www.theadvocates.org/quiz-score/draw.php?p=5&e=9

Your PERSONAL issues Score is 50%. Your ECONOMIC issues Score is 90%.


(Please note: Scores falling on the Centrist border are counted as Centrist.)

[Wyatt_Junker]

Quote from Harry Browne:


Quote:
<TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=6 width="100%" border=0><TBODY><TR><TD class=alt2 style="BORDER-RIGHT: 1px inset; BORDER-TOP: 1px inset; BORDER-LEFT: 1px inset; BORDER-BOTTOM: 1px inset">First of all, stop the hysteria. Stand back and ask how this could have happened. Ask how a prosperous country isolated by two oceans could have so embroiled itself in other people's business that someone would want to do us harm. Even sitting in the middle of Europe, Switzerland isn't beset by terrorist attacks, because the Swiss mind their own business </TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>

I have to agree with this.


It would be nice if it were true. However it is not. Check out the Bloody Borders Project. (http://chromatism.net/bloodyborders/) America hasn't experieced any terror by comparison.

This nearly cultic quote of Browne's must have been prior to Australia, Britain, the Phillipines, Africa, Russia, The Netherlands(very close to Switzerland) and of course Israel got hit by terrorists. The man is wildly naive.

Islamic Terror Attacks Since 9/11

http://chromatism.net/bloodyborders/maps/large.jpg

[The_Sonarman]

ACCORDING TO YOUR ANSWERS,

The political description that fits you best is...

LIBERTARIAN

LIBERTARIANS support maximum liberty in both personal and economic matters. They advocate a much smaller government; one that is limited to protecting individuals from coercion and violence. Libertarians tend to embrace individual responsibility, oppose government bureaucracy and taxes, promote private charity, tolerate diverse lifestyles, support the free market, and defend civil liberties. The RED DOT on the Chart shows where you fit on the political map.

http://www.theadvocates.org/quiz-score/draw.php?p=9&e=10

[brilliantLiberal]

Harry Browne, Libertarian candidate, dies (http://www.upi.com/NewsTrack/view.php?StoryID=20060302-054923-6723r)

FRANKLIN, Tenn., March 2 (UPI) -- Harry Browne, a two-time Libertarian Party candidate for U.S. president, has died at the age of 72.
Whatever will the village do without their favorite idiot?

[brilliantLiberal]

Quote from Harry Browne Quote:
<TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=6 width="100%" border=0><TBODY><TR><TD class=alt2 style="BORDER-RIGHT: 1px inset; BORDER-TOP: 1px inset; BORDER-LEFT: 1px inset; BORDER-BOTTOM: 1px inset">First of all, stop the hysteria. Stand back and ask how this could have happened. Ask how a prosperous country isolated by two oceans could have so embroiled itself in other people's business that someone would want to do us harm. Even sitting in the middle of Europe, Switzerland isn't beset by terrorist attacks, because the Swiss mind their own business </TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>
I have to agree with this.
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Over 200 million died from the global expansion of communism. Switzerland did nothing. Switzerland laundered monies stolen from the Jews by the Nazis. When the greatest evils of the world were being committed, Switzerland did nothing, preferring peace to justice. We earn our place in Hell by our inactions as well as our actions, do we not?

Switzerland exists today because nations like the US SAY they must exist. Do you think for one second Stalin wouldn't have reached out and taken over Switzerland if it were not for the American armies? Only a fool relies on the good intentions of evil men for their survival. Switzerland stands at the feet of giants. They are not a giant themselves, to be looked up to and admired.

[Wyatt_Junker]

But what about The Swatch?!







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[Etaoin]

The RED DOT on the Chart shows where you fit on the political map.


Just Wishy Washy I guess!

http://www.theadvocates.org/quiz-score/draw.php?p=10&e=10

[Etaoin]

The Libertarian party is seldom analytical...they are too immersed in their particular set of "Rights." Wyatt has accurately pointed out that we are in fact embroiled in a world wide conflict of Islam vs Western Civilization.

As a key part of Western Civilization, it is our duty to combat it where it arises. Unless it is successfully combatted, Libertarians will join the Jews, Democrats, Republicans and any other grouping that does not accept and obey Sharia!

We will know the winner within @ 3 generations!!!


Question!! Does Secular Humanism have either the intelligence or will to combat that which we face?