Women continue to die from RU-486 abortion pill

[Native American]

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Two additional deaths have been reported after women took the abortion pill known as RU-486 or Mifeprex, U.S. regulators said on Friday.

http://today.reuters.com/news/newsarticle.aspx?type=healthNews&storyid=2006-03-17T175726Z_01_WAT005095_RTRUKOC_0_US-ABORTION-PILL.xml&rpc=22

The pro-abortion crowd assured us this was safe.

[Charity]

That drug is very dangerous.

[Native American]

Those women tried to kill a live baby; they ended up killing themselves.

I guess we're supposed to feel sorry for them.

[Charity]

They reap what they sow.

[HomeschoolrsRUs]

Y'all have it ALL wrong ... there's nothing wrong with preventing a pregnancy from happening --- (dripping sarcasm profusely)

[Rink]

This is information the pro-choice, pro-abortion crowd does NOT want America to know about, hence stories like this get spiked, buried and ignored.

They only can presnt the 'good' side of abortion ONLY, anything else is blasphemy to the selfish, self-centered crowd that adores the idea of 'abortion on demand' ideology

Anything that threatens it gets the axe.

[DoctorDoom]

The drug "cocktail" is dangerous.

RU 486, which is also known as mifepristone, is a synthetic steroid drug made from norethindrone, the active ingredient of Norplant. Its only purpose is to induce abortions, and it has been authorized for this purpose by the Food and Drug Administration (FDA) up to 49 days gestation. It is generally considered to be ineffective unless used in combination with a powerful prostaglandin, misoprostol, which causes contractions to occur and the preborn child to be expelled from the womb. Misoprostol is marketed under the trade name Cytotec, and is also used to treat ulcers. Women who use this method of abortion must make three trips to the abortion facility to complete the abortion process.

It is inaccurate to describe RU 486 as a contraceptive. It does not prevent pregnancy. Rather, its only proven use is to terminate a pregnancy.

It is also wildly inaccurate to describe RU 486 as a “morning after pill.” Morning after pills are not consumed 49 days after the last menstrual period (LMP).

RU 486 causes a preborn child to starve to death by inhibiting the action of the female hormone, progesterone, and causing the lining of the womb to slough off.

A “Drug Cocktail,” Say Three Feminists

Three pro-abortion feminists, Professor Janice G. Raymond, Renate Klein and Lynette J. Dumble, conducted a review of the literature concerning RU 486 and indicated that a substantial number of women required analgesics to deaden pain and some were pre-medicated with antibiotics to prevent infection. They wrote that, “In light of the claims made that RU 486 is a simple, pill-popping method of abortion, we highlight the complexity, in
cumulative fashion of what has now become a drug cocktail: RU 486 + prostaglandin + analgesics+ pre-medication + antibiotics.” [RU 486: Misconceptions, Myths and Morals, published September, 1991, p. 47]RU 486 (http://www.abortionbreastcancer.com/whatisru486.htm)

There's a lot of info on that vile stuff, none of it good.

[Riverboat]

It's poison, pure and simple. So is The Pill and everything else women may be taking to thwart nature.

[Republican_Legion]

I'm not gonna be suprised at all if FOXNEWs dodges the story as well as the MSM.

[DeclinetoState]

"RU 486, which is also known as mifepristone, is a synthetic steroid drug . . ."

Did Barry Bonds take it?

[Bob_Arctor]

The rate of sepsis is the same from RU-486 as it is from pregnancy itself. It would likely be even lower if people used it properly.

[Native American]

The rate of sepsis is the same from RU-486 as it is from pregnancy itself. It would likely be even lower if people used it properly.

So you're trying to claim the abortion drug RU-486 didn't kill those two women, and that they would have eventually become septic even if they hadn't taken the drug?

LOL at you again, Bob Arctor! :hahaha:

[Bob_Arctor]

So you're trying to claim the abortion drug RU-486 didn't kill those two women, and that they would have eventually become septic even if they hadn't taken the drug?
LOL at you again, Bob Arctor!
No. Only a moron would think that's what I'm saying. What I did say is the facts are that the rate of sepsis is identical between people taking RU-486 and people completing pregnancy. If you can't follow the difference...:uhh:

[Native American]

No. Only a moron would think that's what I'm saying. What I did say is the facts are that the rate of sepsis is identical between people taking RU-486 and people completing pregnancy. If you can't follow the difference...:uhh:

Only a moron would fail to realize that the medical community is reporting that the abortion pill RU-486 is causing women to die, and that thus your assertion about sepsis is irrelevent to this discussion.

[Bob_Arctor]

Only a moron would fail to realize that the medical community is reporting that the abortion pill RU-486 is causing women to die, and that thus your assertion about sepsis is irrelevent to this discussion.
Full term pregancies also lead to death, and at the same rate. Therefore a woman has equal chance of death from sepsis whether she carries the pregnancy to completion or terminates it with RU-486. Further, the rate on RU-486 would be even lower if people used it properly.

[Longhorn_Platinum]

Republican_Legion:
I'm not gonna be suprised at all if FOXNEWs dodges the story as well as the MSM.

:unsmile: They just reported on this, during a break in On the Record.

[DeclinetoState]

"Abortion should be safe, legal, and rare."

I suppose one out of three ain't bad . . .

[Longhorn_Platinum]

Bob_Arctor:
Full term pregancies also lead to death, and at the same rate.

:unsmile: Your assertion assumes that a woman who died from taking the RU-486 would have been one of the ones to die from carrying the baby to term. Given the rarity of both (especially the latter), that's not likely to be the case.

[DoctorDoom]

Further, the rate on RU-486 would be even lower if people used it properly.Define "properly". Is "properly" described in the article cited in my previous post?

[Bob_Arctor]

:unsmile: Your assertion assumes that a woman who died from taking the RU-486 would have been one of the ones to die from carrying the baby to term. Given the rarity of both (especially the latter), that's not likely to be the case.
My assertion is only that the rate of sepsis - including these recent deaths - is pretty much identical. Of course I'm not claiming that these women would have died anyway - that's insane.

Since the rate is identical, this drug isn't somehow "more dangerous" than pregnancy is anyway. And that's without factoring in that some of the deaths come from off label use.

[Melz]

My assertion is only that the rate of sepsis - including these recent deaths - is pretty much identical. Of course I'm not claiming that these women would have died anyway - that's insane.

Since the rate is identical, this drug isn't somehow "more dangerous" than pregnancy is anyway. And that's without factoring in that some of the deaths come from off label use.

The women taking this pill are not taking it because they are in danger because of their pregnancies, I am confused as to why that is even the comparison. The rate of death to the potential killers is less than the rate of deaths of the potential killees.

That should be the comparison. Don't try to kill your baby, you will be less likely to die trying to kill your baby.

Now THOSE are some statistics that make sense.

[Bob_Arctor]

The women taking this pill are not taking it because they are in danger because of their pregnancies, I am confused as to why that is even the comparison. The rate of death to the potential killers is less than the rate of deaths of the potential killees.
That should be the comparison. Don't try to kill your baby, you will be less likely to die trying to kill your baby.
Now THOSE are some statistics that make sense.

I don't see how this argument is related at all. The only thing I've said in this thread is to state the fact that the rate of sepsis is identical between users of RU-486 and those who carry the pregnancy to term. You have no more chance of dying of sepsis from taking RU-486 than you do from actually having the baby. This risk would be even lower (among the RU-486 group) if people didn't use it in an unapproved way.

[Eagle1]

I don't see how this argument is related at all. The only thing I've said in this thread is to state the fact that the rate of sepsis is identical between users of RU-486 and those who carry the pregnancy to term. You have no more chance of dying of sepsis from taking RU-486 than you do from actually having the baby. This risk would be even lower (among the RU-486 group) if people didn't use it in an unapproved way.

so the deaths from the pill are idential to regular pregnancy? and the people who take the pill are not the same people who would have died anyway? so how does this pill not double the sepsis fatalities from pregnancy??????

[Native American]

Originally Posted by Bob_Arctor
I don't see how this argument is related at all. The only thing I've said in this thread is to state the fact that the rate of sepsis is identical between users of RU-486 and those who carry the pregnancy to term. You have no more chance of dying of sepsis from taking RU-486 than you do from actually having the baby. This risk would be even lower (among the RU-486 group) if people didn't use it in an unapproved way.


so the deaths from the pill are idential to regular pregnancy? and the people who take the pill are not the same people who would have died anyway? so how does this pill not double the sepsis fatalities from pregnancy??????

It does increase the risk of death, which is the whole point of the thread, but it's a point which Bob Arctor is unable to grasp. His statement above is irrelevent to this discussion, but by making it Bob had hoped to distract the reader from the fact that taking RU-486 increases a woman's chance of dying.

[Native American]

Full term pregancies also lead to death, and at the same rate.

Nope, which is why RU-486 is reported as the cause of death in these 2 latest episodes of death due to a woman taking that abortion pill. Those 2 women faced a particular rate of death due to pregnancy regardless of whether or not they took that deadly drug. And taking that drug increased their chance of dying. Which is what they did - died.

Thanks to RU-486, the "safe" abortifacient.

[Native American]

My assertion is only that the rate of sepsis - including these recent deaths - is pretty much identical. Of course I'm not claiming that these women would have died anyway - that's insane.

Since the rate is identical,

Except it's not.

[DoctorDoom]

Main Entry: sep·sis
Pronunciation: 'sep-s&s
Function: noun
Inflected Form(s): plural sep·ses /'sep-"sEz/
Etymology: New Latin, from Greek sEpsis decay, from sEpein to putrefy
: a toxic condition resulting from the spread of bacteria or their products from a focus of infection; especially : SEPTICEMIA

On July 29, 2005, the US Food and Drug Administration confirmed that a total of five women in the US have died using the drug RU486. Note that we list three deaths above. This adds two more.

Concerned Women for America, a pro-life women’s group under the Freedom of Information Act, receive public documents from the FDA. These list over 600 adverse effects by women taking this drug. These included 220 cases of hemorrhage that were either life threatening or extremely serious, 71 of which required blood transfusions. In addition, 392 reports indicated women requiring surgery to repair damage resulting from the abortion including many under emergency conditions. As a result of this, many havepetitioned the FDA to remove this dangerous drug from the market before more women die.

Short of death, the most serious concern is bleeding. Women who take RU 486 usually bleed for one or two weeks, with 10% bleeding more than one month. This leaves women exposed to infection for an extended period of time. The average woman loses four times the average blood from a standard surgical abortion. In European trials, at least one in every hundred women had to be hospitalized due to blood loss and needed a transfusion. One case illustrating this occurred during the official trials of RU 486 in the United States. A woman in Iowa almost died from hemorrhage from an incomplete RU 486 abortion. Multiple emergency blood transfusions saved her life. (This according to Dr. M. Loviere, Waterloo Courier, 9-24-95.)RU-486 Deaths (http://www.lifeissues.org/ru486/deaths.htm)

PROVIDENCE, July 28, 2005 (LifeSiteNews.com) - Even while the US Food and Drug Administration (FDA) is investigating deaths related to it, the manufacturers of the drug Mifepristone continue to deny that their drug was the cause of the bacterial infection that has killed five women.

Now, however, Professor Ralph P. Miech, a professor emeritus in the Department of Molecular Pharmacology, Physiology, and Biotechnology at Brown University, has provided clear evidence that the drug causes conditions in which bacterial infections can take hold and become deadly. The Annals of Pharmacotherapy will publish Dr. Miech's study in the September issue.

During an abortion using Mifepristone, the first stage of the drug shuts off progesterone, which halts the flow of nutrition to the placenta and the child. The second stage drug causes contractions that expel the dead child.

Dr. Miech shows that the anti-progesterone effects of Mifepristone also cause changes in the cervix that allow C. sordellii, a common vaginal bacteria, to enter the cervical canal. C. sordellii thrives in this low-oxygen environment and derives nutrition from the decaying fetal tissue.

Mifepristone, Miech says, also disrupts the immune system, which “impairs the body's ability to fight off C. sordellii and may help spread the bacteria's toxic by-products, a combination that sometimes results in widespread septic shock.” The resulting infection makes its way into the blood stream, becoming life threatening. The danger of the drug is increased because of a lack of the usual symptoms of infection such as fever.Leading Researcher Proves RU-486 Causes Septic Shock Deaths (http://www.lifesite.net/ldn/2005/jul/05072802.html)

Any drug other than an abortifacient that caused such effects would be off the market and the lawsuits would blossom like dandelions on a spring morning. However, the effects are a small price to pay for preserving the "right" to murder one's child in the womb.

[Bob_Arctor]

Nope, which is why RU-486 is reported as the cause of death in these 2 latest episodes of death due to a woman taking that abortion pill. Those 2 women faced a particular rate of death due to pregnancy regardless of whether or not they took that deadly drug. And taking that drug increased their chance of dying. Which is what they did - died.
Thanks to RU-486, the "safe" abortifacient.

Yes NA, these women did die from RU-486. However, the total rate of sepsis is the same whether you use this drug or complete the pregnancy.

[Bob_Arctor]

Any drug other than an abortifacient that caused such effects would be off the market and the lawsuits would blossom like dandelions on a spring morning. However, the effects are a small price to pay for preserving the "right" to murder one's child in the womb.

Hard to say. All drugs have their drawbacks. Perhaps if the pill were more widely used we'd have less use of RU-486. In addition, if the FDA weren't paralyzed by politics "Plan B" would be available OTC, which would further diminish demand for RU-486.

[DesertFox]

Is sepsis the only way RU-486 kills?

[Bob_Arctor]

Is sepsis the only way RU-486 kills?
I believe it's the only was it has so far, but there is always the potential for death from hemorrhage.

[Native American]

Yes NA, these women did die from RU-486. However, the total rate of sepsis is the same whether you use this drug or complete the pregnancy.

Nope.

[Bob_Arctor]

Nope.
Fascinating. A naked assertion. Where are your references?