Attention Republican voters.........Political sacrifice

[get_involved]

If illegal immigration is a top concern of yours, you must make a political sacrifice. If your Republican Senators or Congressman votes for a guest worker program...........You MUST vote against them in November. Even it means electing a Democrat who does the same thing. If the Republicans are going to vote like Democrats they should be kicked out of office. It is a political sacrifice but it's only for one election. They HAVE to be taught a lesson and be sent a message, otherwise nothing will change.

[aaron11]

Piff, nothing will change regardless, not so long as the media controls Washington...

[Longhorn_Platinum]

:sulk: After the way the demonicrats tried to steal the White House in 2000, I swore I wouldn't vote for one for any reason until at least 2020. Besides, I still consider abortion to be my priority issue.

[get_involved]

Piff, nothing will change regardless, not so long as the media controls Washington...

So I guess we shouldn't even bother voting then. Right?

[Melz]

So let me get this straight, we should vote for a democrat who is in favor of the guest worker program rather than a republican who is? Being as that issue is a wash in this situation, we would be sacrificing so much else which we stand for, including abortion and even supporting our troops in Iraq?

No thanks. While I am against letting illegals benefit from anything this country has to offer, I would not vote a for a democrat over a republican if they both stood in the same position on this issue.

[Native American]

If illegal immigration is a top concern of yours, you must make a political sacrifice. If your Republican Senators or Congressman votes for a guest worker program...........You MUST vote against them in November. Even it means electing a Democrat who does the same thing. If the Republicans are going to vote like Democrats they should be kicked out of office.

Better yet, vote against Democrats who fail to vote for stiffening our illegal immigration laws, against Democrats who fail to vote like Republicans on that issue!

The Democrat Party panders to the criminal element.

[Lazarus]

So let me get this straight, we should vote for a democrat who is in favor of the guest worker program rather than a republican who is? Being as that issue is a wash in this situation, we would be sacrificing so much else which we stand for, including abortion and even supporting our troops in Iraq?

No thanks. While I am against letting illegals benefit from anything this country has to offer, I would not vote a for a democrat over a republican if they both stood in the same position on this issue.Or even better yet, put a responsible Republican candidate up to take the nomination away from the irresponsible RINO*... Melz is right - there are too many other issues that this nation is run on and to hand the seat to a Democrat is to hand ALL those other issues to the Left to butcher...

We're all unhappy with the failure of certain members of this party - Its not time to cut and run - Its time to take the party back...

*My deepest apologies to my bro, Rhino...

[Dowple]

. . . there are too many other issues that this nation is run on and to hand the seat to a Democrat is to hand ALL those other issues to the Left to butcher...

We're all unhappy with the failure of certain members of this party - Its not time to cut and run - Its time to take the party back...

Which is exactly how establishment Republicans like Specter and Lindsey Graham get away with what they do. Oh, my! I MUST vote for Lindsey, because (fill in the blank) is bad! Well, that won't play for me anymore. The fact is that illegal immigration affects my life directly and more dramatically than any other issue out there. They drive drunkenly on my streets. They suck up my tax money. They destroy my property value. They kill and rob and rape. They annihilate my quality of life. And they are subverting the very concept of the USA as a nation. If someone can't bring themselves to make a stand over the invasion and occupation of this country by tens of millions of illegals, then they will make a stand for nothing. And you've already seen it. The Republicans served up what they believe to be "Bubba bait" on homosexual marriage, only to betray the suckers who believed. They did the same thing over "affirmative action" and "diversity". They did the same thing on abortion. But they always get away with it, because there are "other issues" they claim they'll help conservatives with.

[omegatrump]

Or even better yet, put a responsible Republican candidate up to take the nomination away from the irresponsible RHINO... Melz is right - there are too many other issues that this nation is run on and to hand the seat to a Democrat is to hand ALL those other issues to the Left to butcher...

We're all unhappy with the failure of certain members of this party - Its not time to cut and run - Its time to take the party back...

You mean like the good Republican that run against Arlan Specter? The same one that Bush campaigned against?

[Lazarus]

And so you will put a Communist in office to show those weak Republicans a lesson? And when you do, do you think after 6 years you can just flip a switch and toss the Commie out and put in your Conservative Hero?

If its that easy, why not put the Conservative Hero in NOW?...

Do what you will... I will not vote for a Marxist puppet... Never...

[omegatrump]

The likes of Orin Hatch and his treasonous Republican compadres, couldn't have been better democrats if they tried when they walked Ruth Ginsberg into the Supreme court.

What did Ruth Ginsburg do to further the abortion issue? One of the nine most important judges in the nation and you couldn't get this cowardly bunch of Republican slime to stand up and be counted. Just set around and fantasize about how your standing against abortion every time you vote for one of these Republirats that put their name behind Ginsberg.

[Rhino]

.....take the nomination away from the irresponsible RHINO...Hey! That would be RINO, not RHINO!!! :evilgrin:

[DesertFox]

You MUST vote against them in November. Even it means electing a Democrat who does the same thing.This is about the dumbest thing I've ever seen anyone push.

[Dowple]

And so you will put a Communist in office to show those weak Republicans a lesson? ...

Things have gotten to the point where "worse is better". That's what it will take for some people to wake up. That's what it will take for politicians to get the message. This country needs a nationalist political movement and party. That rules out the Republicans.

[Dowple]

One bit of good news. I've been trying to call Kay Bailey Hutchison's office since 9 am and their phone has been constantly busy (or they've taken it off the hook). I'd guess Kay Bailey is getting an earful. It's time for her to choose whether she represents Americans or mexicans.

[Lazarus]

Hey! That would be RINO, not RHINO!!! :evilgrin:Sorry Brother... My mistake...:D

Im so embarrassed I'll have to go back and edit that one just to make amends...;)

[omegatrump]

And so you will put a Communist in office to show those weak Republicans a lesson? And when you do, do you think after 6 years you can just flip a switch and toss the Commie out and put in your Conservative Hero?

If its that easy, why not put the Conservative Hero in NOW?...

Do what you will... I will not vote for a Marxist puppet... Never...

I agree, put the "Conservative Hero in now". The bad news is that the one party system is not going to offer you that choice.

The charade that produces the false hope every election must be exposed. I keep going back to the example we have in the scum Specter, a pro baby killer. Much resource and effort was put into defeating this piece of human debris only to have Mr Bush, of all people, run to his rescue. Why?

The communism you speak of infects both parties. If you refuse to vote for one party with an open communist leaning platform but are willing to vote for the other party with hidden communist tendencies, then what makes your vote count any more than the other?

[omegatrump]

Things have gotten to the point where "worse is better". That's what it will take for some people to wake up. That's what it will take for politicians to get the message. This country needs a nationalist political movement and party. That rules out the Republicans.

I'm not sure which is worse, the wolf running in his pack, or the wolf who sneaks in wearing a sheep skin.

[Wolfcounsel]

As long as there exists still even a single welfare bum, I'm not voting for any damned Democrat!

[Lazarus]

I agree, put the "Conservative Hero in now". The bad news is that the one party system is not going to offer you that choice...You make it sound like "the party" is some massive entity that rules our lives like some tyrant dictator from a SciFi story...

The party is what the people choose for it to be... There isnt some deep dark conspiratorial body of power brokers meeting in a secret chamber directing our lives... The party is the will of the people... Capture those votes and you control the party... The party doesnt choose the candidates - the people do...

You may not like the choice the people make, and you may even choose to believe that the deep dark conspiracy controls the people, but in any event, the people ultimately choose the candidate... And in the end, your battle is to win the hearts and minds of the voters... You can either do that from within the established party THAT WAS ONCE OURS when Ronaldus Magnus ruled, or you can run out and try to start your utopian Nationalist third party...

And when that party's power brokers disappoint you, I spose you can run out and start a fourth one... And you'll be about as effective as the Greens are for the left... A curiosity for the MSM to fill broadcast time with on occasion...

And still the hearts and minds of the voters are out there as the final goal to achieve... All this effort you went thru to create your Nationalist Party will ultimately be nothing more than spinning your wheels when you realize that its the voters you must win... Why not start there today?

Reagan set the standard for us... He didnt start a third party - He spoke truth and common sense and courage to the people, and said, "Follow me", and took the Republican Party away from the Country Club Pubs...

[get_involved]

Which is exactly how establishment Republicans like Specter and Lindsey Graham get away with what they do. Oh, my! I MUST vote for Lindsey, because (fill in the blank) is bad! Well, that won't play for me anymore. The fact is that illegal immigration affects my life directly and more dramatically than any other issue out there. They drive drunkenly on my streets. They suck up my tax money. They destroy my property value. They kill and rob and rape. They annihilate my quality of life. And they are subverting the very concept of the USA as a nation. If someone can't bring themselves to make a stand over the invasion and occupation of this country by tens of millions of illegals, then they will make a stand for nothing. And you've already seen it. The Republicans served up what they believe to be "Bubba bait" on homosexual marriage, only to betray the suckers who believed. They did the same thing over "affirmative action" and "diversity". They did the same thing on abortion. But they always get away with it, because there are "other issues" they claim they'll help conservatives with.

Wow, one intelligent person on this board that GETS IT!

[get_involved]

One bit of good news. I've been trying to call Kay Bailey Hutchison's office since 9 am and their phone has been constantly busy (or they've taken it off the hook). I'd guess Kay Bailey is getting an earful. It's time for her to choose whether she represents Americans or mexicans.

I had the same problem with Boxer and Feinstein. Finally got through. THEY all are getting bombarded.

[Native American]

I didn't even bother calling Ted Kennedy or John Kerry, my two (former, when I still lived in Massachusetts last year) senators.....

[get_involved]

This is about the dumbest thing I've ever seen anyone push.

Yeah keep voting for them. You're the one who is dumb. They are laughing at sheep like you. Partisanship is why this country is going down the tubes.

[DesertFox]

Disagree. Stupidity is why the country's going down the tubes, and you're buying right into it.

[Native American]

Yeah keep voting for them. You're the one who is dumb. They are laughing at sheep like you. Partisanship is why this country is going down the tubes.

Meanwhile, people like you keep voting for Democrats (communist Socialists) and for Libertarians (losers) so I don't think you should talk.

[DesertFox]

Chris, you need to tone down the meds.

[Trau]

And so you will put a Communist in office to show those weak Republicans a lesson? And when you do, do you think after 6 years you can just flip a switch and toss the Commie out and put in your Conservative Hero?

If its that easy, why not put the Conservative Hero in NOW?...

Because then the public sees that the Democrats are as corrupt as any other politicians. Right now, we have the Republicans in for six years and we have a poorly managed and extended military conflict amidst corruption scandal. The short-sighted public sees that and says, "Well gulldurn! We oughtta get those nasty Republicans out, they're so corrupt!"

After the Democrats hold the ball for a time, they'll say, "Well gulldurn! We oughtta get those nasty Democrats out, they're so corrupt!

[omegatrump]

Reagan started to take it away, it's to bad he wasn't younger when he started. A very temporary reprieve.

The facts are, that if we don't turn this thing around, it's finished. You contradict yourself Lazarus, on the one hand you seek to dispel the "conspiracy controls" aspect, then you refer to "the party power brokers" and then you go to "MSM". Three ingredients in the same mix.

As long as the Bush bots can dispel the urgency of the hour, and say just let the party do it, we are finished. As you say "the hearts and minds of the people", where are the hearts and minds of the people Now? Against illegal immigration, for instance? How does that affect your party?

Neither party gives a hoot about us and our children's future. Neither party is worthy of "the hearts and minds of the people". So where does that leave us?

Within our government we have a state of Anarchy developing so fast it makes our head spin. Nothing is right, nothing's wrong, nobody with a sense of right can overcome the power structure that stands against them.

The Communist in Russia used to be in "lockstep" with the Party...

[Dowple]

As just one example, you can expect every single one of them to be entitled to the maximum earned income credit (no matter how many kids they have to borrow to do it).



Alas, illegals already get the earned income tax "credit", which is actually a direct cash payment, even if you pay zero dollars in taxes. All they need to claim it is to file with a Taxpayer ID Number, which the IRS eagerly gives to illegals. In fact, some illegals have been caught with several taxpayer ID numbers, filing multiple times, claiming multiple earned income tax credits.

[Kathy29]

There IS no more important issue than immigration legal as well as illegal. Legal because if support for illegal immigration goes away, then the caps for legal immigration will be in the tens of millions.

mexicans are taking down the American flag and flying the snake flag from one end of the country to the other. Would you yammer on about abortion until it's over your state capitol building?

[The_Elucidator]

I have never bought into this crap of voting Democrat or not at all to send the 'Pubs a message. At times it absolutely kills me to pull the lever for a Pub but it is still better than a Dem. *(I am a member of the Constitution Party and vote Constitution Party in the primary but when the rubber meets the road in the Federal Election will vote Repub) With todays 'Pub I know that I am getting a bunch of spineless female reproductive openings. Where most Dems are dangerous deceptive communists. You can change the first, but once the latter is in office you are forever screwed. As for me I will take my prilosec, make sure my guns are all in working order and pull the 'Pub lever.

[The_Elucidator]

In which case, I am sorry to say, you are the problem. To repeat:

YOU ARE THE PROBLEM.

Not the politicians, not the media, not the lobbyists, not the pundits and talking heads. Not Bush, not McCain, not Kennedy, not Limbaugh...YOU.

You are the one voting FOR the people who are ramming illegal immigration down our throats. It is YOUR leaders who have brought us more entitlement programs in the last six years than in any time in the last seventy. YOU are the guy who has approved the out of control spending that will leave our children and grandchildren saddled with a nine-month a year tax burden. You.

If you are willing to compromise your "principles" in the name of power why shouldn't they?



How noble... You will knowingly vote in people who are actively and openly going against the desires of the overwhelming majority of Americans because you are afraid that if you don't you will wind up with leaders who actively and openly ignore the desires of the majority.

I want you to REALLY THINK about this and let it actually penetrate: by almost any measure name, Bush is LEFT of Clinton. Far left of Clinton actually. Yet you will do it again, you will vote for these socialists again because, unable to THINK for yourself, you allow the socialist media decide for you by selecting anyone that they label as "conservative."

I challenge you to be a CONSERVATIVE. I challenge you to hold yourself to the same "no-compromise" standard you claim to demand from your leaders.

Did you vote for Kerry?

Lets see: In the 2004 Pennsylvania General Election I voted for:

For President George W (R) over Kerry (D)
For Senator James Clymer (C) over Joe Hoffel (D) over Arlen Specter (R)
For Congress Tim Murphy (R) over Mark Boles (D)

Do some research on these men - Just who would you have voted for? I will be waiting patiently for your over reactive answer... As I know that because of my above voting record I am the problem...

[Rhino]

I challenge you to be a CONSERVATIVE.By voting for democrats? Sorry, but I can't see how replacing a problem with a worse one solves the original problem. I'd rather have a dirty dog than a dead one. At least I have a chance of getting him clean. You're right that there needs to be a better way of sending them a message though. Their current 'status quo' on this issue sucks, and we need a better way of getting that point across.

[DesertFox]

Chris, you're talking in circles and making zero sense. If you don't want to vote GOP, don't; but the better alternative then would be not to vote at all.

[Dowple]

Chris, you're talking in circles and making zero sense. If you don't want to vote GOP, don't; but the better alternative then would be not to vote at all.

Some of us believe that "worse is better." Some of us believe, for example, that if a Democrat was in the presidency, Republican spines would have stiffened and actively opposed immigration amnesties from the first moment they were mentioned, instead of suffering in silence for five years, because a Republican president was pushing for them.

[UnkHiram]

That's right you are unhappy with some of the things that the GOP is doing so stand them all against the wall and shoot them down. Makes complete sense to me, supper is not what you want so divorce your wife. You Senator does not do EXACTLY what you want so go vote for someone that you KNOW will do EXACTLY THE OPPOSITE of what you want. You are making a lot of sense there guy.

[The_Elucidator]

Some of us believe that "worse is better." Some of us believe, for example, that if a Democrat was in the presidency, Republican spines would have stiffened and actively opposed immigration amnesties from the first moment they were mentioned, instead of suffering in silence for five years, because a Republican president was pushing for them.

I just couldn't stomach the idea of 2 more SCOTUS Judges like Ginsburg.

[Dowple]

I just couldn't stomach the idea of 2 more SCOTUS Judges like Ginsburg.

Could you stomach another David Souter, given to us by the epitome of the Republican establisment, Daddy Bush? How about Harriet Miers, George W.'s first choice over Alito?

[Dowple]

That's right you are unhappy with some of the things that the GOP is doing so stand them all against the wall and shoot them down. Makes complete sense to me, supper is not what you want so divorce your wife. You Senator does not do EXACTLY what you want so go vote for someone that you KNOW will do EXACTLY THE OPPOSITE of what you want. You are making a lot of sense there guy.

Being overrun by Mexicans is not "supper". It affects my life more directly than any other issue out there. Drunk Mexicans have hit my car on the freeway--twice. Mexicans are soaking up my tax dollars for schools and medical care. Mexicans have become a physical threat, walking in and robbing my neighbor while she and her two infant children slept in the middle of the afternoon. Mexicans have climbed my wall and stripped fruit and fig trees on my property during the night. They have emptied cases of beer bottles into my alley, while playing hideous accordion music until 4 in the morning. Put the GOP against the wall and shoot them? That's too generous!

[Naturalized-Texan]

I will do just that when the Republicans tone down the spending.
Since the vast majority of the increased spending under President Bush is and has been for national defense and homeland security for fighting the War on Terror, I can only conclude that you are opposed to fighting terrorism.

FYI, in President Bush's FY 2007 Budget, non-national defense/non-homeland security discretionary spending is actually declining slightly from FY 2006 and the rate of growth of non-national defense/non-homeland security discretionary spending has declined every year since President Bush has been in office.

[The_Elucidator]

Could you stomach another David Souter, given to us by the epitome of the Republican establisment, Daddy Bush? How about Harriet Miers, George W.'s first choice over Alito?

Who do you think Kerry would have given us? Someone who would follow the letter of the law or craft social legislation?

[Maggie_T]

Guys, let's face it. BOTH Republicans and democrats are scared shitless of tackling illegal immigration.

When I hear Bush calling illegals "guest workers," I want to puke.

What we need is a politician who has the balls (pardon me) to thumb his nose at political correctness and the left, and call things by their proper name: these illegals are FELONS and should be treated as such. And if we ever find such a steel-spined character, we must stand behind him/her as firmly as we can.

Until that happens, this is a lost cause because everybody is long on talk, short on action.

[The_Elucidator]

Guys, let's face it. BOTH Republicans and democrats are scared shitless of tackling illegal immigration.

When I hear Bush calling illegals "guest workers," I want to puke.

What we need is a politician who has the balls (pardon me) to thumb his nose at political correctness and the left, and call things by their proper name: these illegals are FELONS and should be treated as such. And if we ever find such a steel-spined character, we must stand behind him/her as firmly as we can.

Until that happens, this is a lost cause because everybody is long on talk, short on action.


I hear ya Maggs...We are in the age of the spineless politicians.

[The_Elucidator]

Again I ask you, did you vote for Kerry?

[Maggie_T]

I hear ya Maggs...We are in the age of the spineless politicians.

I know. It's so disappointing. So frustrating. I feel like time is running out and nobody is doing anything. I cannot begin to tell you how much this upsets me. :sulk:

[ANI]

alas...it doesn't really matter who I vote for...I live in California...and as a conservative here...my vote counts for very little other than the fact that I know that I did my part.

[Warlady]

If illegal immigration is a top concern of yours, you must make a political sacrifice. If your Republican Senators or Congressman votes for a guest worker program...........You MUST vote against them in November. Even it means electing a Democrat who does the same thing. If the Republicans are going to vote like Democrats they should be kicked out of office. It is a political sacrifice but it's only for one election. They HAVE to be taught a lesson and be sent a message, otherwise nothing will change.

You sound like a Democrat vying for votes. Go to hell. If we lose control of Congress in the midterm elections it will be because of crap like this. Terrible advice my friends. Please don't follow it. If you do it is to all of our peril.

Get Involved? Why would any free right thinking American want to get involved with the likes of you???????

[The_Elucidator]

I know. It's so disappointing. So frustrating. I feel like time is running out and nobody is doing anything. I cannot begin to tell you how much this upsets me. :sulk:

For the 21 years in the Air Force and the 18 years marriage to my lovely bride, my wife and I have spent tens of thousands of dollars on the abortion issue, traveling, donating, fighting and arguing with liberal baby killing butt holes. The issue of immigration didn't come into the picture until just recently when we retired and moved to south Texas in which my truck stereo was jacked the first week I was here. It has now become a tie with abortion in my book.

[DesertFox]

If thine eye offend thee, pluck that sucker out and blowtorch it.

[Maggie_T]

alas...it doesn't really matter who I vote for...I live in California...and as a conservative here...my vote counts for very little other than the fact that I know that I did my part.

ANI, I hear you. I live in Occupied Maine. It's exactly the same for me here.

[sunsettommy]

Under the Republicans we are facing a combined debt and entitlement program bill so crippling that it is almost inconceivable that our nation can even survive. Our children will be taxed into SLAVERY to pay off Bush's insane entitlement spending. And now our Republicrat masters want to finish the job by handing over what's left to invading criminals....

And you so-called conservatives are going to re-elect them?

Woah here Chris,

How about a stroll down memory lane.......

It was the Democrat party who created all those "Entitlement programs" such as Social Security,Medicare,Medicaid,Disability and so on.Then they also pushed a war on poverty,passing bills that we are still stuck with today.

President Bush and the Congress are stuck with the liberalisms effort to socialize everything.That is what you miss.

Give credit to the Democrat party for creating this budgetary mess.A mark of Liberalism of the 1960's.

Just imagine if Medicare and Medicaid and Social Security was never developed........



Bush has done more to wreck this country then Bill Clinton (his best friend) ever could. Along with his pals in congress he has added more NEW entitlement programs than any president in history, added more entitlement spending then any president in history, increased discretionary spending more than any president in history, and all while refusing to secure our borders. For heavens sake, the forst bill he ever threatened to veto was the dubai port deal.

You will need to prove that he ADDED more new entitlement programs than anyone else in history(keep in mind that the office of the Presidency is part of the Administrative branch).

To put this socialist in perspective, Bush managed to increase discretionary spending more in his first year and a half then Clinton managed to do in eight years. This is DISCRETIONARY spending, the war and natural disasters are not included in that bill. Bush has been the most socialistic leader our nation has ever had. No one else is even close.

Please provide proof.

Voting Republican IS voting for socialism and the death of this nation. It doesn't get any clearer.

Yeah after the Democrats spent decades creating it and you pick on the Republicans?????


:hahaha:

[Maggie_T]

For the 21 years in the Air Force and the 18 years marriage to my lovely bride, my wife and I have spent tens of thousands of dollars on the abortion issue, traveling, donating, fighting and arguing with liberal baby killing butt holes. The issue of immigration didn't come into the picture until just recently when we retired and moved to south Texas in which my truck stereo was jacked the first week I was here. It has now become a tie with abortion in my book.

Tell me about it. I feel so discouraged sometimes.

[The_Elucidator]

:hahaha:
Yeah after the Democrats spent decades creating it and you pick on the Republicans?????




I think old Chris is a Lib trying to shame conservatives into voting for a democrat. It sure wouldn't be the first time it was tried on this or any other board.

:whistle:

[Warlady]

Maggie, surely you learned in 2000 how much your vote matters. Please please please do not discourage others from voting. To me there is nothing more important in our political responsibilities than the vote.

[Warlady]

Bush a rabid socialist? It's Congress who spends Chris. Or didn't you take government in school?

[get_involved]

In which case, I am sorry to say, you are the problem. To repeat:

YOU ARE THE PROBLEM.

Not the politicians, not the media, not the lobbyists, not the pundits and talking heads. Not Bush, not McCain, not Kennedy, not Limbaugh...YOU.

You are the one voting FOR the people who are ramming illegal immigration down our throats. It is YOUR leaders who have brought us more entitlement programs in the last six years than in any time in the last seventy. YOU are the guy who has approved the out of control spending that will leave our children and grandchildren saddled with a nine-month a year tax burden. You.

If you are willing to compromise your "principles" in the name of power why shouldn't they?



How noble... You will knowingly vote in people who are actively and openly going against the desires of the overwhelming majority of Americans because you are afraid that if you don't you will wind up with leaders who actively and openly ignore the desires of the majority.

I want you to REALLY THINK about this and let it actually penetrate: by almost any measure name, Bush is LEFT of Clinton. Far left of Clinton actually. Yet you will do it again, you will vote for these socialists again because, unable to THINK for yourself, you allow the socialist media decide for you by selecting anyone that they label as "conservative."

I challenge you to be a CONSERVATIVE. I challenge you to hold yourself to the same "no-compromise" standard you claim to demand from your leaders.

Amen brother. They will never get it apparently. We have to have change every few years, whether we like it or not, otherwise politicians will walk all over us like they are doing now. POLITICAL SACRIFICE!!!

[Maggie_T]

Maggie, surely you learned in 2000 how much your vote matters. Please please please do not discourage others from voting. To me there is nothing more important in our political responsibilities than the vote.

Oh, you needn't worry about me, Warlady. I will always vote, and I will NEVER, EVER vote democrat. If that ever happens, feel free to look for lobotomy scars on my forehead.

I do not with to discourage anyone from voting. I just want to encourage people to hold those they vote in office accountable.

[sunsettommy]

If illegal immigration is a top concern of yours, you must make a political sacrifice. If your Republican Senators or Congressman votes for a guest worker program...........You MUST vote against them in November. Even it means electing a Democrat who does the same thing. If the Republicans are going to vote like Democrats they should be kicked out of office. It is a political sacrifice but it's only for one election. They HAVE to be taught a lesson and be sent a message, otherwise nothing will change.

I am unhappy with the Republicans on this issue.They have not been adequately responsive in securing the borders and also they allow undocumented people get some form of welfare.

I am not going to vote for a Democrat because they suck big time as a political philosophy.They are for Socialism and eventually Communism.

They hike the tax rate and slash the military.That is unacceptable!

They know about the porus borders and yet they are not bugging the Republicans much over it.

I am going to vote for those who are true conservatives and most important.

A Patriot!

Vote for a more conservative Republican than the standard republican in the Primary is the better way to vote.

Candidates who are going to put America first are the best candidates to vote for at this time.A political shift to the right is needed since the Republican party has become more and more a RINO party.

Spineless on Immigration,Social Security and the Entitlements that needs to be slashed.

The Republicans have the majority and blowing it.

It is time to vote out the ordinary Republicans and vote in the more Conservative ones.

[Warlady]

Elucidator, so is "Get Involved". The Democrats are pulling out all of the stops as they always do in an election year. What saddens me is the number of Republicans who fall for their tactics. It makes me cry, literally. Does anyone really believe that the Democrats are happy with their elected officials? You don't see them posting on boards asking their voters to vote for Republicans. Do you?

[Beowulf]

Warlady, I think this immigration issue has broke the back of many Conservatives. It has mine. Most of the Democrats support it and a majority of Republicans do even though most Americans don't want illegals here. I don't see it as a Democratic ploy in an election year, it's for real. I think people have had enough of the pandering and compromise.

I will always vote. I will NEVER vote for a Democrat but I won't rule out voting for a Constitutionalist as they seem to be more line with my thinking.

[DesertFox]

Well, broke-backed or not, I never before in my life heard somebody say that the way to get over leprosy was to catch rabies.

[get_involved]

Well, broke-backed or not, I never before in my life heard somebody say that the way to get over leprosy was to catch rabies.

You would vote for Hitler if he was a Republican. Admit it.

[pepsipaul]

I see where get_involved is getting at. John and Ken of KFI made a big thing on this, and they made a lot of sense. If there's a republican congressman or senator, and they're turning democratic on immigration, why should they be allowed in again? Heck, I'd vote for a person if they share my beliefs and opinions, if it's a democrat and he/she is against immigration, they <i>could</i> have my vote.

[DesertFox]

You would vote for Hitler if he was a Republican. Admit it.:hahaha:

[Longhorn_Platinum]

DesertFox:
Well, broke-backed or not, I never before in my life heard somebody say that the way to get over leprosy was to catch rabies.

:unsmile: Actually, 80% of lepers got over leprosy by committing suïcide.

[DesertFox]

Yet today it's all but defeated.

[UnkHiram]

You would vote for Hitler if he was a Republican. Admit it.

You know the only time Hitler ever comes up on these boards is when a Liberal compares the republicans to him. Kinda makes you wonder doesn't it?

If you dont like your Republican Senator or Republican Congressman then campaign for his opponent in the PRIMARY. You sure as hades will not fix the problem by electing a Democrat. IN case you have not noticed they encourage illegal immigration, they encourage giving more rights to these folks that are breaking our laws ---------- Not to mention that they can not be trusted to wage the war on Terrorism.

[Taylor]

I refuse to vote Democrat or third party. I think it's time to take our party back from within.

[get_involved]

I see where get_involved is getting at. John and Ken of KFI made a big thing on this, and they made a lot of sense. If there's a republican congressman or senator, and they're turning democratic on immigration, why should they be allowed in again? Heck, I'd vote for a person if they share my beliefs and opinions, if it's a democrat and he/she is against immigration, they could have my vote.

Yes, John and Ken started the idea. Dreier, a Republican in a heavy Republican district, was the object of the sacrifice. He ended up winning by the SMALLEST margin in his long career. And boy has he changed on illegal immigration! It scared the sh!t out of him.

[The_Elucidator]

No, I have never voted Democrat in my life. Nor am I urging people to vote for Hillary (unless the traitor McCain gets the Republican nod -- I would rather see anyone than him).



So who did you vote for? You are avoiding this answer like the plague!

The only folks living in the Orwellian fantasy are those telling Conservatives they should vote for a liberal to send a message. Never mind the 2A, Never mind the SCOTUS and overturning CFR, Roe vs Wade, Snatching Property, Homos in foxholes, Hate Crimes, Clinton selling Nuke secrets to Chinese. You and Get_Involved had better pull your heads out your arses if you want to make a point. Judging conservatives on how they vote will only make you look like the nutcase that you appear to be.

[Native American]

Dowple's premise is false to begin with, because while the overwhelming majority of Democrats on the Senate committee favor the lax illegal alien bill which was just reported out of committee, the overwhelming majority of Republicans on that committee opposed it! Yet somehow that fact has escaped Dowple's attention, and instead of focusing his attention on those Democrats, he has chosen to criticize the Republicans!

In addition, the overwhelming majority (over 200!) of Republicans in the House also support a tough approach to illegal aliens, while (you guessed it) the Democrat Party leadership in the House is threatening to filibuster if the Republican majority tries to bring that tough legislation to the floor for a vote.

So the difference between the Democrats and the Republicans couldn't be greater. Yet here we have Dowple, criticizing the Republicans (who overwhelmingly support tough legislation for illegal aliens) while giving the Democrats (who overwhelmingly oppose tough legislation for illegal aliens) a pass!

People who behave like Dowple always amuse me, and make me suspect them to be DNC plants.

Chris_texas is behaving in similar fashion, BTW.

[sunsettommy]

Chris Texas says:


And Bush has created more NEW entilement programs than any president since FDR. More than Clinton, more than Carter, more than antone else. Bush....the so-called Conservative.



You failed to answer my question.from page 3.

"You will need to prove that he ADDED more new entitlement programs than anyone else in history(keep in mind that the office of the Presidency is part of the Administrative branch)."

Then you were asked for proof to what you said here:

"To put this socialist in perspective, Bush managed to increase discretionary spending more in his first year and a half then Clinton managed to do in eight years. This is DISCRETIONARY spending, the war and natural disasters are not included in that bill. Bush has been the most socialistic leader our nation has ever had. No one else is even close."

I am waiting for the proof of your claims.

Then you mindlessly said:

"Voting Republican IS voting for socialism and the death of this nation. It doesn't get any clearer."

What is clear that the Democrats CREATED just about all the socialism programs LEGISLATIVELY over the years.Not the Republicans!

Medicare,Medicaid,Social Security,Disability,Welfare and so on.The entitlements they created is what is causing most of the budget deficit problems.

You need to brush up on history fella.

President Bush was never a Conservative.

[Johnnybegood]

I will do just that when the Republicans tone down the spending.The republicans would not have to pay as much as they have if Clinton had not gutted the FBI,CIA and military. President Bush Also had to Fight terrorists clinton could have had on a silver platter.:bdh:

[Johnnybegood]

Because then the public sees that the Democrats are as corrupt as any other politicians. Right now, we have the Republicans in for six years and we have a poorly managed and extended military conflict amidst corruption scandal. The short-sighted public sees that and says, "Well gulldurn! We oughtta get those nasty Republicans out, they're so corrupt!"

After the Democrats hold the ball for a time, they'll say, "Well gulldurn! We oughtta get those nasty Democrats out, they're so corrupt!Put the crack pipe down and turn off air america..................:whistle:

[Naturalized-Texan]

You would vote for Hitler if he was a Republican. Admit it.
Actually, in today's American political world, Hitler would be a liberal Democrat.

[Naturalized-Texan]

Because of all the Clinton sleaze and the fact that Democrats condoned that sleaze with their failure to condemn it, we decided that we would never vote for a Democrat. Since voting for a third party or not voting at all is tantamount to voting Democrat, we won't be stupid enough to to that either. Consequently, the only option remaining is to vote Republican.

[sunsettommy]

Sunset says:

You failed to answer my question.from page 3.

"You will need to prove that he ADDED more new entitlement programs than anyone else in history(keep in mind that the office of the Presidency is part of the Administrative branch)."

Then you were asked for proof to what you said here:

Chris texas says:

I will do just that in a separate thread when I get some free time to apply myself.

It wont matter to you though -- you are a Bush Buddy. If I posted video of Bush smoking a joint made from a rolled up American Flag you would say that his use of the American flag shows how patriotic he is.

Sunset replies:


That is fine I can wait.


I am no buddy of President Bush,heck I never even shook his hands!:grin:

I am unhappy with part of his Presidency in several areas.That should mean something to you.


Actually I am an Independant with conservative leanings.I do not vote for Republicans automatically.Sometimes I vote Libertarian(at the state and local level).I rarely vote for a Democrat anymore.They are too far to the left.They are too determined to apply socialism on us and raise taxes over and over.That is bad for America.


I was once a drooling Democrat who even got involved at the local level in 3 different election campaigns.Now I am a recovering American with more than 15 years in the making.


So it is commonly a Republican I vote for.

[The_Elucidator]

So tell me, why are YOU advocating this then. You are the one promising to vote for liberal Republicans.


Because a Liberal Republican (Bush in your words not mine) is much better than an ULTRA ULTRA Liberal lying sack of crap commie Democrat. As I said before I hate doing it but the alternative is just too horrifying.

[Naturalized-Texan]

Because a Liberal Republican (Bush in your words not mine) is much better than an ULTRA ULTRA Liberal lying sack of crap commie Democrat. As I said before I hate doing it but the alternative is just too horrifying.
There is no way that anyone can honestly claim that President Bush is a liberal. He is clearly to the right of center and has governed as such. Granted, he is not as conservative as I would like, but it is dishonest to claim that he is a liberal.

[Longhorn_Platinum]

Naturalized-Texan:
Actually, in today's American political world, Hitler would be a liberal Democrat.

:smirky: I have no doubt that get_involved would vote for him, just to tweak the Republicans.

[ANI]

In any other context that would be called genocide.

[aaron11]

Some of us believe that "worse is better." Some of us believe, for example, that if a Democrat was in the presidency, Republican spines would have stiffened and actively opposed immigration amnesties from the first moment they were mentioned, instead of suffering in silence for five years, because a Republican president was pushing for them.
We suffered eight years of Clinton, nothing changed. Your logic is illogical and disproven...

[Republican_Legion]

Actually, in today's American political world, Hitler would be a liberal Democrat.

I agree.

Hitler was: Pro-Abortion, Pro-GunControl, Pro-TaxIncreases, Pro-Welfare, Pro-Slavery, Pro-FederalGoverment and Pro-EminentDomain. Yep Hitler would be in todays standards a Liberal Democrat. Hitlers NAZIs were basicly just modified Communists who who didnt like communism because the first communist state was started by a slavic nation. The Hate between the Nazis and Commies was large even though they could agree on social and economice policy and they acted like they were so different when they really werent.

As far as Property Rights and State Ownership of Businesses the USSR and Nazi Germany were almost the same except Germany allowed like a couple of businesses to stay alive(Benz) and Allowed some Nazis Loyalists to own their own properity.

[Truth_Hunter]

So let me get this straight, we should vote for a democrat who is in favor of the guest worker program rather than a republican who is? Being as that issue is a wash in this situation, we would be sacrificing so much else which we stand for, including abortion and even supporting our troops in Iraq?

No thanks. While I am against letting illegals benefit from anything this country has to offer, I would not vote a for a democrat over a republican if they both stood in the same position on this issue.

One of Y-O-U couch potatoes needs to stand up, man up, and RUN YOUR OWN DAMN SELVES!

Get involved??

Yeah, GET INVOLVED, GET IN THE RACE.

This is a country OF, BY, FOR the people!

OF, BY

See how that works? If it's not OF & BY Y-O-U...
it damn sure won't be FOR you neither!


THERE IS NO SUBSTITUTE FOR TESTOSTERONE AND BALLS!
BALLS IS THE ANSWER TO ALL PROBLEMS!
MAN THE HECK UP AND RUN YOURSELF!

I can't stand the weakness is this loser panzy gay=abomonid&happy country.

Everybody passes the buck and looks for the NEXT guy to run.

Evidently, Americans will never figure out just why Mexico will soon on the SW! They have no BALLS! They are SOFT! They don't DO anything, they just pick and choose like wallflowers for the best that somebody ELSE deigns to offer them. Where is the Puritan HARD WORK ethic I learned about in school as one of the "Pillars of American Business"? Where is the self responsible do it yourself mojo that got this boat afloat in the first damn place???


DO NOT bother voting democrat, that is TREASON
DO NOT bother voting libertarian or America First Party, they have both sold out I tried looking into them
RUN YOURSELF as an "OLD RIGHT" REPUBLICAN


Afterwrit:
If that's really too hard, just have everybody write in "John Smith" and let it roll

[Truth_Hunter]

There is no way that anyone can honestly claim that President Bush is a liberal. He is clearly to the right of center and has governed as such. Granted, he is not as conservative as I would like, but it is dishonest to claim that he is a liberal.

Bush let Schiavo go...
Bush never stood up for Pantano...
Bush is "Borrow&Spend", spending's through the roof...

Please give a few concrete cogent examples of something Bush has done, in his SECOND term, that is "Old Right" Conservative:


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[Truth_Hunter]

I voted for Bush. I was horrified at his spending but felt that his promise to appoint conservative USSC judges was more important. Plus, I thought that he had gotten the message about his insane spending.

In other words, I was a dupe. His first USSC appointment might as well have been a ninja(we still don't know if he is actually conservative but we do know he supports the new Eminent Domain garbage), and his second was a liberal crony. So much for Bush's promise, huh? As for spending, Bush immmediately screwed us on that too with his Prescription Drug entitlement.

If this board had rep points I'd give one

[Truth_Hunter]

The republicans would not have to pay as much as they have if Clinton had not gutted the FBI,CIA and military. President Bush Also had to Fight terrorists clinton could have had on a silver platter.:bdh:

All true.

It is, however, ALSO true that Bush & crew have mismanaged this war -- it should be over by now, and it's not only b/c Bush & crew overrode America's Generals on how to plan and execute the invasion. They sent us in "light", with only 125,000 troops, 1/4th as many as General Eric Shinseki and others recommended.

Bush is mis-managing this war, and he shouldn't be managing it at all. General Shinseki was the PhD war-fighting expert. Bush makes overall political decisions as President. That he -- and his men -- continued to stick their wrenches in the gears after that smacks of Johnson (Vietnam) and Truman (Korea).

Our boys should be home.

Please think -- America is a "hyperpower", yes?

And Iraq is a SANCTION CRIPPLED 3rd World nation, yes?

HYPER-POWER vs. crippled 3rd world nation....

And we haven't won yet??

There is a SHADOW TERM, if you will, in that equation, so that

HYPER-POWER vs. crippled 3rd world nation + SHADOW TERM

balances out and leads to ongoing conflict.

Part of that inferred SHADOW TERM is mismanagement, and there are numerous books people could read if they wanted.

This war should be OVER. Go, fight, win, come home. For a hyper-power, it should work that way...

And it would have it we had LISTENED TO SHINSEKI INSTEAD OF FIRING HIM!!!!!!!!!!!