Immigration Reform Question

[TXCoUnTrYbOy]

I have a question on the ever so popular Immigration Reforms that are to be voted on by the Senate. Im guessing there are several bills that are up for vote that would change many things about immigration today.

What exactly would these bills change? Ive heard so many different things like making illegals become citezens, build a wall, make it a felony to help illegals, and a whole lot more. So what exactly will happen if this massive reform passes, or the several bills pass? Pretty much Im looking for a list of changes that would occur.

Thanks

[Dowple]

The Senate Judiciary Committee bill does NOT build a fence. It doesn't make illegal entry into the US a felony. It does NOT require employers to verify an employees status to work in the US.

What it DOES do:

Gives every current illegal alien a permanent resident alien green card. After five years, they are then eligible to become US citizens and start raking in Social Security benefits, Medicaid, Federally backed home loans, college tuition grants and loans, and participation in the Prescription Drug Plan.

The other thing it does is turn the US into a colony of Latin America.

[pinqy]

Gives every current illegal alien a permanent resident alien green card. It does no such thing. It allows those current illegal aliens who meet background checks and can prove employment and who submit the appropriate fees and fines to gain non-immigrant legal status. After 6 years their status can be adjusted to permenant legal resident if they have paid all their back income taxes and can pass further background checks and a civics test.

[Kathy29]

What they need is a trip home. And a bullet to the back of the head if they come back.

The employers need to have everything they own confiscated from them and auctioned off to defray the costs of supporting the invaders.

[Dowple]

Rather than rely upon my words or Mr. Open Borders Pingy, try this pdf link: http://www.numbersusa.com/PDFs/SensenbrennerSpecterMcCainFristComparison.pdf

[Dowple]

BTW, please note this key provision of McCain-Kennedy:





Once an illegal alien files an amnesty application, neither the alien nor his spouse or children may be detained, determined to be inadmissible or deportable, or removed until a final decision on the application is made.

Upon filing an application for amnesty, illegal aliens must be granted employment authorization and permission to travel abroad until a final decision on the application is made.
Illegal aliens apprehended after the date of enactment but before the promulgation of implementing regulations who can establish prima facie eligibility for amnesty must be allowed to stay and apply.
Illegal aliens who are in removal proceedings must be allowed to apply for amnesty.
Illegal aliens who have been ordered excluded, deported, removed, or to depart voluntarily, but who are still present in the United States, must be allowed to apply for amnesty.

Illegal aliens have the right to appeal the denial of their amnesty application first to USCIS in anadministrative process, and then to the Federal courts of appeal.
$ Illegal aliens also have the right to sue DHS in Federal district courts if they can allege a pattern or practice at DHS that is arbitrary or capricious.
$ Illegal aliens seeking administrative or judicial review of a denial may not be removed until a final determination establishing ineligibility is rendered.
$ Information provided by illegal aliens in their amnesty applications may not be used for anything except adjudicating the application unless a law enforcement entity requests such information in writing about one or more specific individuals in connection with a criminal investigation.


In other words, they are in the system. And it can take decades before any decision is reached.

[pinqy]

So you retract your erroneous claims about the McCain/Kennedy bill?

[Dowple]

So you retract your erroneous claims about the McCain/Kennedy bill?

I erred on the issue of six years versus five. I was unsure about it when I wrote and should have double checked but I didn't. As for the rest, my "claims" are correct. The end result will be to grant permanent residency to the current crop of illegals and their immediate families and they will then be eligible for citizenship and all the goodies that result. And, as I point out, even putting in a claim for amnesty will result in de facto amnesty, the right to work in the US, and keep a family in the US. All the bells and whistles, selling US citizenship for a total of $2000, for example, are meaningless. As are the civic "lessons" and the English language "requirement". Those provisions, already in effect to gain citizenship, are widely regarded as a joke. The "testing" has been outsourced to private firms, whose "teachers" have been caught supplying answers to both the civics and language portions during the exams. A background check? ("Hi, I'm Jose Gonzales, no papers, guess what my home country is, and I don't remember where I came from anyway. So, go ahead and do your background check--you'll never discover my real career as a serial rapist in Guadalajara. But here is my fake documents proving I've been working since May 2005. Hah!")

[TXCoUnTrYbOy]

Thanks for the responses. When does this bill go to vote?

Ive been hearing all sorts of talk about all this stuff about making it a felony to help illegals, building a wall, making english a requirement to become a citizen, and more. Has anyone heard about any of this? Ive heard it on the news (I know I shouldnt trust anything they say), and Ive heard it from a lot of people too. Anyone know anything about this?