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Bob_Arctor
03-29-2006, 08:43 PM
Bird flu vaccine promising in humans
Thu Mar 30, 2006 3:25 AM GMThttp://i.today.reuters.co.uk/images/spacer.gif

NEW YORK (Reuters Health) - Tests in humans of an experimental vaccine against H5N1 avian influenza (bird flu) show that the vaccine is safe and spurs the immune response needed to protect against the deadly illness. The achievement is reported in The New England Journal of Medicine this week.
Dr. John J. Treanor, from the University of Rochester Medical Center in New York, and his associates developed the vaccine, in part, by using the hemagglutinin protein, the "H" in the virus designation, and the neuraminidase protein, the "N" in the virus designation, taken from an avian flu virus that killed a boy in Vietnam in 2004. The vaccine also contains genes derived from a lab flu strain commonly used for seasonal influenza vaccines.
According to Treanor's team, tests conducted on 451 healthy adults showed that the vaccine was generally well tolerated and produced an immune response that the researchers think may protect against exposure to avian flu.
Roughly half of the volunteers who got the vaccine and a booster shot of the highest dosage of the vaccine developed infection-fighting antibodies that current data suggest would neutralize the virus...

http://today.reuters.co.uk/news/newsArticle.aspx?type=scienceNews&storyID=2006-03-30T022614Z_01_RID008433_RTRIDST_0_SCIENCE-BIRD-FLU-VACCINE-PROMISING-HUMANS-DC.XML



So it's a mixed bag of news. A normal flu shot has something like 7.5 or 15 ug (micrograms) of antigen, which gives a good immune response - and you don't usually need a booster. This new vaccine only worked on half of the people who got the highest dosage of 90 ug, and they got an equally strong booster shot a month later! That much more and two doses only worked in half the people. That's actually not very good, because wordwide flu vaccine production capacity could only make, at best, shots for 900 million people - and that's with the far lower normal dose of antigen. Contrast 7.5 or 15 ug with 180 ug - so realistically if we went with this new version, worldwide capacity would only be able to provide two doses for maybe 100 million people. That won't be good enough.

sunsettommy
03-30-2006, 04:51 PM
Yeah it is of limited value.

It is however good news anyway because there is a vaccine for it that works for maybe 1/2 the people taking it.Maybe further refinements will increase the success rate?

Right now the bird flu is not widespread and there is no epidemic either.Therefore there is as yet no reason to immunize everyone quickly.

Better to have a vaccine that works part of the time than nothing at all.

Timberwolf
03-31-2006, 07:23 PM
Intravenous Vitamin C (to the tune of 50,000 - 100,000 mg per day) will kill just about anything....including smallpox.

Bob_Arctor
03-31-2006, 07:32 PM
Intravenous Vitamin C (to the tune of 50,000 - 100,000 mg per day) will kill just about anything....including smallpox.
Might it kill the patient as well? 100,000 mg is 0.1 kg (close to a quarter pound) - that's a lot of vitamin C to go straight into the bloodstream!

Timberwolf
04-01-2006, 04:07 PM
It's safe...at least according to the one of the researchers out at the human nutrition lab (he's an MD who is interested in nutrition research).

I take close to 5000 mg orally every day.