Circumcision: Did you know?

[EveningStar]

Sounds like elitest garbage to me but let's hear what the rest of you say.

Daniel Cullen
Oregon State Daily Barometer Online
April 5, 2006

The debate about neonatal nonreligious circumcision is over. According to the American Academy of Pediatrics (AAP), neonatal circumcision is the result of ignorance, bad medical practice and American social and cultural pressure. Regarding the three most commonly cited justifications for neonatal circumcision (penile cancer, venereal disease and penile hygiene), the AAP now states that the benefits are negligible, which means that the majority of American men are walking around without foreskins for no good reason. Yet, the barbaric practice shows no sign of abating, and for this reason I plan to shed some light on the cultural dark spot of circumcision... More (http://barometer.orst.edu/vnews/display.v/ART/2006/04/05/443361f94cf84?in_archive=1)

[Patriot Heart]

My opinion after having to assist with these procedures while a newborn nursery RN: If I ever had sons, they were not going to be circumcised. I realize it is a very personal decision, but I just could not see why we need to whack off a part of the anatomy God gave boys. I ended up with three daughters and I wouldn't want any part of them cut off either.

[True Grace]

Oh please. I am thrilled my husband is circ'd. And I'm sure my boys' wives will thank me some day for having them circ'd as well.

Excuse my forwardness, but I have no desire to put my mouth around anything that contains smegma.

God had no problem asking the Isrealites to whack off their foreskins in obedience to Him.

[True Grace]

My opinion after having to assist with these procedures while a newborn nursery RN: If I ever had sons, they were not going to be circumcised.

I am a newborn nurse, and have assisted with many circumcisions. And I think people make way too big a deal out of a few seconds of pain. And if anethesia is used, there doesn't even have to be a few seconds of pain.

My husband assures me he doesn't remember his circumcision when he was a baby, nor do my boys.

[EveningStar]

My opinion after having to assist with these procedures while a newborn nursery RN: If I ever had sons, they were not going to be circumcised. I realize it is a very personal decision, but I just could not see why we need to whack off a part of the anatomy God gave boys. I ended up with three daughters and I wouldn't want any part of them cut off either.

PH, circumcision is part of the covenant with God (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Circumcision#Judaism). It's in Genesis.

[Warlady]

ES you know good and well that this topic does not belong in the political forum. Why are doing this?

[Eagle1]

nothing wrong with a little snip snip
the kids dont remember it and who cares about 6 month old pain threshold for vaccinations??
highest percentages are in the midwest, but i assume it is all because if the father is then the sons will be also

hygine is easier, and if sexual pleasure is decreased then we have done much for stemming premature ejaculations

[UnkHiram]

I guess I am a prude, I really dont think this discussion belongs on this type of board.

[DoctorDoom]

It bloody well doesn't belong in the Political forum. It is hereby relocated to Earth & Health Sciences until its fate is decided.

[jayson]

Oh please. I am thrilled my husband is circ'd. And I'm sure my boys' wives will thank me some day for having them circ'd as well.

Excuse my forwardness, but I have no desire to put my mouth around anything that contains smegma.
You know, if people actually taught their uncircumcised sons how to properly clean that area, you would never have smegma or other filth there in the first place.

This whole "you become closer to god if you whack your foreskin off" never made much sense to me. Personally, I doubt that whether or not my foreskin is on or off, it's going to be the deciding factor on whether good ol' St Pete let's me pass the pearly white gates or not.

On a final note, that's one helluva bad way to come into the world, in my opinion...

[Riverboat]

As we await a final decision on this tasteless thread, this seems as good a time and place to post one of my favorite jokes I got from Hooray From Yiddish! by Leo Rosten. Enjoy, already!

********

No story ever struck me as so triumphant as the classic about the Englishman in New York who stopped at a window in the middlw of which stood one lone clock. The Englishman went inside. "He-llo!" he sang out.

From behind a curtain stepped a bearded man in a skullcap.

"Would you please inspect this watch?" The Englishman worked at the strap. "Tell me whether it needs--"
</O:p
"Why are you asking me?" asked the bearded one.

"Aren't you a jeweler?"

"No. I'm a moyl."
</O:p
"A what?"

"A moyl. I make circumcisions."

"Good Lord!" exclaimed the Englishman. "But why do you have a clock in your window?!"

"Mister," sighed the moyl, "what would YOU put in the window?"

[True Grace]

Perhaps I have posted at one too many parenting message boards, but what it wrong with a thread about circumcision?

[HomeschoolrsRUs]

Perhaps I have posted at one too many parenting message boards, but what it wrong with a thread about circumcision?

I don't think it's necessarily uncomfort with the topic, but the inappropriateness of the post location (US Politics Forum). :smirky: Hence, it has been relocated to a more suitable forum. Feel free to continue the discussion. :)

[Timberwolf]

God directs the Israelites to circumcise ALL male children on the eighth day...and, begosh and begorrah, guess what? A man's pain threshold and clotting factor is never higher than on the eighth day.

[DeclinetoState]

If Clinton were still president, this would probably fit into the Political Forum.

Speaking of Clinton, I wonder if he was ever . . . oh, never mind.

[DoctorDoom]

A young hotshot gets a job with the IRS. His first assignment is to audit an old rabbi. He decides to have a little fun, so he says, "Rabbi, what do you do with the drippings from the candles?"
The rabbi says, "We send them to the candle factory, and every once in a while they send us a free candle."

The kid says, "And what do you do with the crumbs from your table?"
The rabbi says, "We send them to the matzoh ball factory, and every once in a while they send us a free box of matzoh balls."

The kid says, "And what do you do with the foreskins from your circumcisions?"
The rabbi says, "We send them to the IRS, and every once in a while they send us a little prick like you."

<hr>
An old moyl was retiring, and the congregation wanted to give him a unique gift. One of the rabbis said, "Moishe saved a lot of his clippings. Maybe we can have something made from them." They all nodded and started offering their ideas.

Two weeks later, the retirement party began. After the gifts were opened, and the rabbi presented Moishe with a small, gold-wrapped box. "Old friend, we decided that because you are so special to us, we would give you a special way to remember us."

With a tear in his eye, Moishe opened the box, and removed an exquisitely crafted wallet. "It's beautiful, but it's such an unusual color."
The rabbi said, "This was made from your collection of foreskin clippings."
"Oy, now I understand. Thank you. I was wondering what to do with them."
"And that's not all. If you rub it for a moment, it becomes a suitcase."

[Conserv_Atticus]

I'm circumcised and i wouldn't have it any other way!!!!

[Native American]

Regarding the three most commonly cited justifications for neonatal circumcision (penile cancer, venereal disease and penile hygiene), the AAP now states that the benefits are negligible, which means that the majority of American men are walking around without foreskins for no good reason.

No, it doesn't mean that at all, since the majority of American men are Christians, and thus there is a very good reason why they are walking around without foreskins. Plus there's even a couple of percent of American men who are Jews, so there's a good reason why they are walking around without foreskins also.

It's a shame someone such as the author of that article can't even follow simple logic.

[Native American]

This whole "you become closer to god if you whack your foreskin off" never made much sense to me.

Well, that's good, given the fact that the argument is "you are being obedient to God if you whack your male child's foreskin off".

You just committed the Fallacy of the False Planted Axiom, you see.

[Wolfcounsel]

"Excuse my forwardness, but I have no desire to put my mouth around anything that contains smegma." --True Grace

Excuse mine. Women collect smegma under their prepuce, the fold of skin that covers the clitoris. Is there a procedure for excising that?

[Jag Wife]

The American Academy of Pediatrics are the same pointy-headed intellectuals who have decided they are going to take a pro-gun-control stance.
A local talk show host in our town found this out the hard way when he took his 3-year-old daughter in for a middle ear infection. First question out of the pediatrician's mouth was "Do you or your wife keep guns in the house?"
Somebody tell me what this has to do with middle ear infection?

My point? The AAP is a group of elitists who basically decide the cause du jour for the rest of us. When they find out they can make more money from the insurance company by circumcising, they will start advocating it again, regardless of anyone's religion.

[Patriot Heart]

Excuse my forwardness, but I have no desire to put my mouth around anything that contains smegma." --True Grace

Excuse mine. Women collect smegma under their prepuce, the fold of skin that covers the clitoris. Is there a procedure for excising that?

Sorry True Grace, I'm with Wolf on this one. The fact that a part of the body might get dirty (a part that gets close to ME) is an absurd justification for cutting it off. I'm happy your family is happy with their decision. But (and I bow to the numerous parties on this list with better command of the Bible than I) doesn't this covenant with God fall into the category of those no longer required due to the coming of Christ?
I think it's awful to cut off a part of someone before they can be a part of the decision. My opinion.

[BuckeyeMike]

lLike the Rabi said at the Bris....."It won't be long now!"

[Timberwolf]

Who are the bravest men in the world?

Jews...they cut off 10% before they know how much they're gonna have.

[DesertFox]

prepuceHuh? We always called that the "hinky."

[DesertFox]

Fallacy of the False Planted AxiomBut that's not as bad as the False Foreskin Fallacy.

[EveningStar]

ES you know good and well that this topic does not belong in the political forum. Why are doing this?
I'm old. I'm senile.

[EveningStar]

Seriously, why all the anger about posting this in the wrong forum? It's not like I was the commandant at Auschwitz. Besides, there are 50 forums here and I get confused.

[cerberus]

My opinion after having to assist with these procedures while a newborn nursery RN: If I ever had sons, they were not going to be circumcised. I realize it is a very personal decision, but I just could not see why we need to whack off a part of the anatomy God gave boys. I ended up with three daughters and I wouldn't want any part of them cut off either.

Actually PH, I'm 100% with you on this one. I think it's a pretty nasty and backward tradition myself and if I ever have sons, I won't have them cut. If they feel weird about 'being different' from the other boys at school or whatever, then they can make their own choice to be circumcised when they are 18; the potential disfigurement of their member and reduced sexual pleasure for life isn't one I'm going to force on them.

What I find amazing is that many of the same people who wish to defend male circumcision based on ancient tradition are often the same people who loudly decry the process of female circumcision in parts of the world. Massive double-standard, IMO.

[EveningStar]

doesn't this covenant with God fall into the category of those no longer required due to the coming of Christ?
I'm not a Biblical scholar either. Did JC come out against circumcision? Perhaps we should call him and ask?

http://images.southparkstudios.com/media/images/104/104_jesus_and_pals.gif

[Wolfcounsel]

"What I find amazing is that many of the same people who wish to defend male circumcision based on ancient tradition are often the same people who loudly decry the process of female circumcision in parts of the world. Massive double-standard, IMO." --cerberus

Almost got it. When people say they are against female circumcision, they are most likely referring to FGM, or female genital mutilation, which involves excising the clitoris, prepuce, most of the nymphae, and then practically sealing the whole genitalia shut, with only a straw-sized hole for the exit of female excretions. The rest of the story comes out of the Texas Chainsaw Massacre text book. There is such a thing as plain female prepuce circumcision, which is almost synonymous with its male counterpart. Google FGM and prepare to vomit.

[Native American]

The American Academy of Pediatrics are the same pointy-headed intellectuals who have decided they are going to take a pro-gun-control stance.

In order to achieve balance, we need to see if we can get the National Rifle Association to take a stance on the circumcision of infants.

[Native American]

Seriously, why all the anger about posting this in the wrong forum? It's not like I was the commandant at Auschwitz.

Can you prove that?

(grin)

[Nutrider99]

Excuse mine. Women collect smegma under their prepuce, the fold of skin that covers the clitoris. Is there a procedure for excising that?
Usually a long, slow lick does the trick.

[Native American]

What I find amazing is that many of the same people who wish to defend male circumcision based on ancient tradition are often the same people who loudly decry the process of female circumcision in parts of the world. Massive double-standard, IMO.

No, it's merely another example of gross ignorance on your part - God commanded His followers (He still has His followers today, so it's also not merely an "ancient" tradition we are speaking of) to cut off the foreskin of their male children, whereas He made no command to His followers to cut off the prepuce of their female children.

Next time, before dumbly shooting off your mouth about a "double-standard", attempt to deal with your own ignorance first, lest you once again make a fool out of yourself, as you just did above, cerberus.

[Wolfcounsel]

"Usually a long, slow lick does the trick." --Nutrider99

Well, heh heh, that will remove the smegma, but I was referring to the removal of the female foreskin.

[Rhino]

You guys are taking all the fun out of oral sex.

[DesertFox]

My understanding has always been this:

"Male circumcision" means cutting skin only. It doesn't impair the boy's later ability to enjoy sex.

"Female circumcision" means cutting out the clitoris. The girl will never be able to get her rocks off. No Big O. No CUMMING. No gasping with pleasure. No going out of her mind with desire. No shrieks or screams or clawing his back or ... you get the idea.

[Rhino]

No calling out to God......

[True Grace]

Excuse mine. Women collect smegma under their prepuce, the fold of skin that covers the clitoris. Is there a procedure for excising that?

Usually a long, slow lick does the trick.

:grin:

Never bothered my husband....:uhh:

[True Grace]

Sorry True Grace, I'm with Wolf on this one. The fact that a part of the body might get dirty (a part that gets close to ME) is an absurd justification for cutting it off. I'm happy your family is happy with their decision. But (and I bow to the numerous parties on this list with better command of the Bible than I) doesn't this covenant with God fall into the category of those no longer required due to the coming of Christ?
I think it's awful to cut off a part of someone before they can be a part of the decision. My opinion.

PH...you are entitled to your opinion, of course. I would never say that all boys must be circumcized. I just resent the Anti-Circ Nazis out there who try to make parents who circ out to be abusive barbarians.

And no...Christian males are not required to be circumcized as an act of obedience to God. But it says nowhere that we can't circ our boys by choice.

[True Grace]

"Usually a long, slow lick does the trick." --Nutrider99

Well, heh heh, that will remove the smegma, but I was referring to the removal of the female foreskin.



Oops...Sorry, I thought the same thing Nutrider did.

[Wolfcounsel]

I know there is female circumcision, and not the barbaric clitoridectomization type, Fox. I guess it's not as common as the male type, eh? Oh, well, it takes only a few washes with plain water for men and women, before sex anyway. The trimethylamine concentration is a little stronger in females, though.

[Riverboat]

Besides, there are 50 forums here and I get confused.Well, if you had looked more carefully, you would have found the Questionable Medical Practices sticky sub-thread in the Make My Body Beautiful sub-forum which is part of the Earth and Health Sciences Forum attached to The Study area.

Seriously, the recent back-and-forth between Wyatt and Fox notwithstanding, I've read more funny stuff here than I've read in awhile. I'm with Rhino calling out to God, but probably not for the same reason.

[BuckeyeMike]

My understanding has always been this:

"Male circumcision" means cutting skin only. It doesn't impair the boy's later ability to enjoy sex.

"Female circumcision" means cutting out the clitoris. The girl will never be able to get her rocks off. No Big O. No CUMMING. No gasping with pleasure. No going out of her mind with desire. No shrieks or screams or clawing his back or ... you get the idea.



You mean...you mean....they'd have to fake it?

[Timberwolf]

LOL....you better duck, Mikey....

[MSGT]

Circumcision, Fidelity More Effective HIV Prevention Methods Than Condoms, Abstinence, Researchers Say




http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/medicalnews.php?newsid=42242&nfid=rssfeeds

[Nutrider99]

Circumcision, Fidelity More Effective HIV Prevention Methods Than Condoms, Abstinence, Researchers Say
The premise of this is stupid. Fidelity prevents AIDS and all other STDs. Lumping circumcision with mutual monogamy is just plain ignorant.

[ConspiracyBuff]

As if penis' needed to be any less attractive! Amen to that.