U.S. Firms Recruit Cheap Labor in Mexico

[Beowulf]

SASABE, Mexico - <?XML:NAMESPACE PREFIX = AT /><AT:CLASS></AT:CLASS>When Pedro Lopez Vazquez crossed illegally into the United States last week, he was not heading north to look for a job. He already had one. <AT:CLASS></AT:CLASS>His future employer even paid $1,000 for a smuggler to help Vazquez make his way from the central Mexican city of Puebla to Aspen, Colo.
<AT:CLASS></AT:CLASS>"We're going to Colorado to work in carpentry because we have a friend who was going to give us a job," Vazquez said.
<AT:CLASS></AT:CLASS>Vazquez, 41, was interviewed along the Arizona border after being deported twice by the U.S. Border Patrol. He said he would keep trying until he got to Aspen.
<AT:CLASS></AT:CLASS>His story is not unusual. A growing number of U.S. employers and migrants are tapping into an underground employment network that matches one with the other, often before the migrants leave home.
<AT:CLASS></AT:CLASS>"It continues to become clear who controls immigration: It's not governments, but rather the market," said Jorge Santibanez, director of the Tijuana-based think-tank Colegio de la Frontera Norte.

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We need to find out who these companies are and start boycotting or something. :flame:

[dPrasse]

We need to find out who these companies are and start boycotting or something. :flame:

No way ! The companies CEO's deserve a pat on the back and a good retirement package for negotiating great labor rates ... :D

[Maggie_T]

Oh, stop it, dPrasse. It's not funny.

We owe the sorry mess we're in to democrats who will pander to anything that can vote, and greedy employers who'll employ anything that'll work for chump change.

[ldb83]

We owe the sorry mess we're in to democrats who will pander to anything that can vote, and greedy employers who'll employ anything that'll work for chump change.
What's not funny is how you put everything on Democrats whether it makes sense or not. You sound like the Bush-blaming liberals sometimes. I think only the second part of your comment is right. Democrats aren't causing illegal immigration because they pander to them. They're pandering to them because of politics. Just because you despise Democrats doesn't mean they're really the cause of everything bad in the world. This article says that the problem is caused by the market, and I tend to agree. We owe the sorry mess we're in to soulless companies.

[Rhino]

Democrats aren't causing illegal immigration because they pander to them.It's true only in the sense of a broad generalization. Pandering to them by making them eligible for all kinds of free social programs does create an environment that attracts them, though it is by no means the sole attractor. Democrats can be associated with that only by virtue of the fact that such social programs are a main staple of their platform. But they certainly aren't the only ones creating an attractive environment for illegals, evidence the current proposals in DC.

[Kathy29]

Slap a few employers with civil forfeiture and they will stop doing this easily enough.

They must be stopped. There is always an illegal willing to work for a lower wage than the last illegal.

The mantra of low wage can only end in one place, reinstituting the practice of slavery in all its odious glory. Only worse. At least the historical slave owners felt some sort of responsibility to their slaves. If only the financial interest they represented. Now the slaves are the responsibility of the government, and are disposable. Like paper plates and plastic forks.

[ldb83]

Slap a few employers with civil forfeiture and they will stop doing this easily enough.

They must be stopped. There is always an illegal willing to work for a lower wage than the last illegal.

The mantra of low wage can only end in one place, reinstituting the practice of slavery in all its odious glory. Only worse. At least the historical slave owners felt some sort of responsibility to their slaves. If only the financial interest they represented. Now the slaves are the responsibility of the government, and are disposable. Like paper plates and plastic forks.

This gets me thinking... does it make sense to throw fits about illegal employment in this country but be okay with outsourcing for the same purposes? Seems to me that outsourcing and the employment of illegal immigrants create some of the same problems. If that's so, I hope people are consistent with what they oppose when it comes to business.

[Rhino]

This gets me thinking... does it make sense to throw fits about illegal employment in this country but be okay with outsourcing for the same purposes?Yes.

Seems to me that outsourcing and the employment of illegal immigrants create some of the same problems.Driving at 45 MPH creates accidents, and so does driving at 110 MPH. That doesn't mean you treat them the same way. Your analogy fails. Nice try though.

If that's so, I hope people are consistent with what they oppose when it comes to business.No problem here. I consistently oppose illegal employment, while consistently supporting legal employment.

[queue]

This gets me thinking... does it make sense to throw fits about illegal employment in this country but be okay with outsourcing for the same purposes? Seems to me that outsourcing and the employment of illegal immigrants create some of the same problems. If that's so, I hope people are consistent with what they oppose when it comes to business.While outsourcing jobs to other countries and employing illegal immigrants to keep company costs down means less jobs that Americans can get, outsourcing jobs to other countries does not cost the American taxpayers more than the Americans that cannot get those jobs. Employing illegal immigrants at a wage lower than the poverty level allows the illegals to get welfare, medical treatment, and education at the American taxpayers expense as well as the Americans that cannot get those jobs that the illegal immigrants are doing. Any crimes committed by the illegal immigrants harm Americans (if only for the cost for the police time, courts, and prison) while any crimes committed by the workers of outsourced jobs would affect only that country and not Americans.

I am not a fan of outsourcing jobs but I would rather have outsourcing of jobs to other countries instead of employing illegal immigrants in the US.

[ldb83]

Seems to me that if your main argument against illegal immigration has to do with the loss of American jobs to foreigners, you wouldn't really support corporations offshoring whatever labor the can.

I see what y'all are saying though.

[DoctorDoom]

Outsourcing is legal. Employing Mexicriminals isn't.

[ldb83]

Abortion is legal. Murdering born humans isn't. You can oppose something that's legal, right? If one thing is legal and another isn't but they're both part of the same problem, I thought maybe people would tend to support both or oppose both. Then again, people aren't consistent with the analogy I gave either, so whatever. Carry on.

[Rink]

Slap a few employers with civil forfeiture and they will stop doing this easily enough.

They must be stopped. There is always an illegal willing to work for a lower wage than the last illegal.

The mantra of low wage can only end in one place, reinstituting the practice of slavery in all its odious glory. Only worse. At least the historical slave owners felt some sort of responsibility to their slaves. If only the financial interest they represented. Now the slaves are the responsibility of the government, and are disposable. Like paper plates and plastic forks.

A question, how does one 'slap' a civil forfeiture on an employer? who would be legally able to do this and how would it be done? Just curious.

[dPrasse]

Oh, stop it, dPrasse. It's not funny.

We owe the sorry mess we're in to democrats who will pander to anything that can vote, and greedy employers who'll employ anything that'll work for chump change.

Not funny ? I agree on that point ....

W is now a Dem ? W is the top panderer to Mexico over the past 6 yrs ...

How can the employers be greedy ? don't they deserve praise for looking out for their companies bottom dollar and stock prices ?

I've been called "envious" when CEO's make rediculous amounts of money
with no regards to the workers ... Chump change labor is what America is all for today ....

[omegatrump]

Not funny ? I agree on that point ....

W is now a Dem ? W is the top panderer to Mexico over the past 6 yrs ...

How can the employers be greedy ? don't they deserve praise for looking out for their companies bottom dollar and stock prices ?

I've been called "envious" when CEO's make rediculous amounts of money
with no regards to the workers ... Chump change labor is what America is all for today ....

I would say W is a Dem, No body has pandered to the Mexican illegal like W has.

The ridiculous accusations of envy can't stick dPrasse. It's the defense of the defenseless to attack one who can think for himself. What does Mush Fuzbawl always say? You don't need to think I will do your thinking for you. And at his command, so they do.

In the trucking industry we know that when you have Mexican drivers who will work for 25 dollars a day with little or no benefits, and Trucks will roll across our border unable to pass our inspection, exempt from our emission control standards, No CDL requirements, no drug testing etc. etc. It will be very difficult to stay in business, especially when they will be allowed to pass the border and enter with no limitations. The American transportation industry is one of the next to suffer. In fact it already is.

Excessive profits for those who have learned to manipulate the system have always been with us. but that just means that somebody will always be there to tear down their statue. Those who for greeds sake and selfishness, always struggle against a balance are no better than they who on the other end of the scale constantly want to push for a raise, (IE the Union types). "Truth has fallen in the Street and equity cannot enter", so says the scripture. Equity is no longer a part of the equation.

[Rhino]

Seems to me that if your main argument against illegal immigration has to do with the loss of American jobs to foreigners, you wouldn't really support corporations offshoring whatever labor the can.

If one thing is legal and another isn't but they're both part of the same problem, I thought maybe people would tend to support both or oppose both. Then again, people aren't consistent with the analogy I gave either, so whatever.If one were viewing it only in the context of lost jobs, your analogy would be quite valid. There's just more to this issue than that single aspect. Just perspective, I guess.

[Native American]

SASABE, Mexico - <?XML:NAMESPACE PREFIX = AT /><AT:CLASS></AT:CLASS>When Pedro Lopez Vazquez crossed illegally into the United States last week, he was not heading north to look for a job. He already had one. <AT:CLASS></AT:CLASS>His future employer even paid $1,000 for a smuggler to help Vazquez make his way from the central Mexican city of Puebla to Aspen, Colo.
<AT:CLASS></AT:CLASS>"We're going to Colorado to work in carpentry because we have a friend who was going to give us a job," Vazquez said.
<AT:CLASS></AT:CLASS>Vazquez, 41, was interviewed along the Arizona border after being deported twice by the U.S. Border Patrol. He said he would keep trying until he got to Aspen.
<AT:CLASS></AT:CLASS>His story is not unusual. A growing number of U.S. employers and migrants are tapping into an underground employment network that matches one with the other, often before the migrants leave home.
<AT:CLASS></AT:CLASS>"It continues to become clear who controls immigration: It's not governments, but rather the market," said Jorge Santibanez, director of the Tijuana-based think-tank Colegio de la Frontera Norte.

Ted Kennedy, Nancy Peloci, and Harry Reid fully support and endorse this. As you know, those 3 Democrats are opposed to strengthening and toughening our laws concerning illegal immigrants. In fact, the Democrat Party wants to grant amnesty to those criminal aliens!

[Native American]

What's not funny is how you put everything on Democrats whether it makes sense or not.

Actually, what's not funny is that you've apparently already forgotten that Ted Kennedy, Nancy Peloci, and Harry Reid fully support and endorse the criminal aliens streaming over our borders. As the rest of us know, those 3 Democrats are opposed to strengthening and toughening our laws concerning illegal immigrants. In fact, the Democrat Party wants to grant amnesty to those criminal aliens!

[dPrasse]

Ted Kennedy, Nancy Peloci, and Harry Reid fully support and endorse this. As you know, those 3 Democrats are opposed to strengthening and toughening our laws concerning illegal immigrants. In fact, the Democrat Party wants to grant amnesty to those criminal aliens!

As does McCain and "W" ...

[Native American]

Yes, but whereas the overwhelming majority of Republicans in the House and the Senate are in favor of toughening our border control and enforcing our already-on-the-books immigration laws, the overwhelming majority of the Democrats in the House and the Senate are opposed to toughening and enforcing those laws! You do just what the MSM hacks working for the DNC do - you cherry pick a few names, while conveniently ignoring the fact of the majority stance of the two parties.

[dPrasse]

Agreed ... the Majority stances are very different ... we just need to weed out those "wrong" Repubs ...

[omegatrump]

That in no way excuses the treasonous W from his obligation to those who voted for him, to stay in step with those in his party who want to do the right thing.

Talk about Democrats. We have a doozy of a democrat in the GW Bush.