Former Governor Found Guilty of Corruption

[Rhino]

Former Gov. Ryan Found Guilty in Corruption Trial

Monday, April 17, 2006
Associated Press

CHICAGO — Former Gov. George Ryan, who drew international praise when he commuted the sentences of everyone on Illinois' death row, was convicted of racketeering and fraud Monday in a corruption scandal that ended his political career in 2003.

Ryan, 72, sat stone-faced as the verdict was read and afterward vowed to appeal.

"I believe this decision today is not in accordance with the kind of public service that I provided to the people of Illinois over 40 years, and needless to say I am disappointed in the outcome," the former governor said.

Click here to read the charges against former Gov. Ryan (pdf).

Ryan faces up to 20 years in prison for racketeering conspiracy charge alone, the most serious against him in the 22-count indictment. The jury found him guilty of all counts, including fraud, obstructing the Internal Revenue Service and lying to the FBI.

Co-defendant Larry Warner, a Chicago businessman and Ryan friend, was found guilty of racketeering conspiracy, mail fraud, attempted extortion, illegally structuring bank withdrawals and money laundering........http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,192019,00.html

[Borgia]

Let's reserve a cell for Ryan next to his fellow Republican, Cunningham. Those two deserve each other.

[Lazarus]

Dont you love this stuff..."I believe this decision today is not in accordance with the kind of public service that I provided to the people of Illinois over 40 years...This just demonstrates just how corrupt politics can get... He's not protesting his innocence... This guy truly believes that his "public service" is more than enough to white wash any and all corruption he engaged in while in office... This man is truly out of touch with reality... Such are the rules of Chicago politics I guess...

[Borgia]

Dont you love this stuff...This just demonstrates just how corrupt politics can get... He's not protesting his innocence... This guy truly believes that his "public service" is more than enough to white wash any and all corruption he engaged in while in office.

I found that quote especially funny as well. What a poor excuse Ryan gave. Like I said, put his Republican arse in prison next to Cunningham's Republican arse.

[Rhino]

I could care less what political flavor their arses are. Corruption deserves punishment, regardless of party.

[Borgia]

I could care less what political flavor their arses are. Corruption deserves punishment, regardless of party.

Agree 100%. Just noting another Republican is going to prison. I am dismayed.

[Rhino]

Just noting another Republican is going to prison.As you've done three times now. Subliminal message?

[Borgia]

As you've done three times now. Subliminal message?

What is subliminal about my statement of fact that the Republican former Governor of Illinois has been found guilty on multiple charges? :)

[Rhino]

Four. LOL!

[Lazarus]

Agree 100%. Just noting another Republican is going to prison. I am dismayed.No you're not... You're thrilled... Nothing could please you more...

We all noticed your "Republican" label the first time you pointed it out... We tried politely to ignore your crass attempt at slurring that party but you pointed it out 4 times as Rhino noted...

I'll be the first to admit there are some stinkers who run under the umbrella of the Republican label... Sadly for you, though, corruption is not representative of the typical Republican politician... THAT must surely be reserved for the Democratic Party...

I never was one to keep up with vast amounts of statistics, but Im willing to bet that some of my conservative collegues here can come up with a list of ten famously corrupt Democrat politicians for every one Republican you can name...

Dont try it on, Borgia... This is a fight you're not gonna win... You'll just end up eating crow...

[Longhorn_Platinum]

:smirky: Another LIBERAL politician going to prison.

[Lazarus]

Well put, Moo... :thumb:

[BarkleUSA]

Let’s clear up one misconception; Ryan was NOT a Republican. He stopped being a Republican the moment he issued the open-ended moratorium on executions in the state of Illinois.

Given that Ryan had abandoned Republican ethical boundaries long ago - the racketeering and fraud was exactly what one would expect from any other Democrat – so there is no story here.

[Lazarus]

Yeah I thought there was something odd about that too, Bark... The Republican that Borgia was so proudly running up the flagpole was the one who opened the doors to death row? Dont sound like no republican Ah ever heard of... Sounds more like a Lefty to me...

What's wrong with this picture..?
:question:

[Riverboat]

Ryan was NOT a Republican. He stopped being a Republican the moment he issued the open-ended moratorium on executions in the state of Illinois.Certainly he stopped being a Republican we could support. The Left, in their glee over the Free Pass he gave to the vermin, was unable to realize - or didn't care - that he pulled this stunt to divert attention from investigations into his corruption. I guess he didn't figure that the people conducting the investigations might be further to his right.

If he's lucky, his future cellmate will be one of the guys he saved from execution.

On second, thought, maybe he'll start having second thoughts.

[Jester21]

I could care less what political flavor their arses are. Corruption deserves punishment, regardless of party.
Absolutely. Corruption doesn't appear to be the domain of any one party, it appears to be the domain of power-hungry politicians everywhere.

[ThomasMore]

Ryan was a RINO through and through.

He was corrupt.

He governed by pork-barrel, spending billions upon billions of taxpayers' dollars.

He raised taxes.

Name any conservative issue; he failed to support it.

As already noted, he placed a moratorium on executions in Illinois, rendering the death penalty an empty letter.

He was a political hack, a ward-heeler.

He, and his equivalent numbers in the Illinois legislature, are why the Republican Party in Illinois has become a very bad joke.

[Borgia]

Call him whatever you like but he is a registered Republican, he ran as a Republican, and he served as Governor as a Republican. Now he is going to jail as a Republican.

[Borgia]

Just to clue you in on my posts, I thought it rather humorous that the FACT he was a Republican was not revelaed until the 29th paragraph in the Fox story. Now, one might think FoxNews was trying to hide the FACT he was Republican but a fair and balanced network would never do that, would they?

I tried looking for a comparable story about a Democrat (Like William Jefferson) to see if FoxNews was truly fair and balanced and would bury the fact that he was a Democrat in the 29th paragraph but I am having trouble figuring out how to search FoxNews archives. Anyone want to help me out?

[ThomasMore]

Call him whatever you like but he is a registered Republican, he ran as a Republican, and he served as Governor as a Republican. Now he is going to jail as a Republican. :bdh::bdh::bdh:

#1. None of the REPUBLICANS I knew (even in Chicago) had any use for Ryan when he was in office. As soon as he took the office, he governed to the left of where he had campaigned, and it became obvious very early that the guy was a corrupt hack.

#2. I capitalize this for emphasis, Borgia, because EVERYONE'S REPLIES TO YOU HAVE BEEN CONSISTENT, BUT YOU ARE EITHER IGNORING THEM OR TOO IDEOLOGICALLY BLINDED TO UNDERSTAND:

Lyin' Ryan is going to jail because he is a CROOK.

#3. The funny difference between us and you is that when a Dem is crooked, most Dems will rally, support, deny, delay and obstruct. If a Republican is crooked, we will send him overboard and say "good riddence to bad rubbish." We have no use for it. You embrace and defend it. When Spiro Agnew was caught being crooked, we tossed him. When Nixon was caught, we tossed him. When Ryan was caught, we were happy to see him go down.

When Clinton was caught lying under oath and trying to subvert an investigation, most Dems rallied to him and blamed the EEvil republicans. When Cynthia McKinney beat up a cop, she claimed it was because the cop was racist. Did you speak up against her absurd and destructive actions and self-justifications? When it turned out that Harry Reid was tied up with Abramoff, have you called for HIS resignation? A strange silence has come from the left, other than to blame the messenger.

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Finally, one more thing: You Dems KNOW that we won't tolerate corruption, whereas you just see corruption as being one of the perks of having political power.

That is why you resort to investigations and reputation-smearing of the innocent, over and over:

Reagan Labor Secretary Raymond Donovan, acquitted: "now where do I go to get my reputation back?"

Reagan Attorney General Edwin Meese, acquitted.

Reagan Secretary of Defense Caspar Weinberger, acquitted.

more recently, the daily drumbeat of charges against Pres. Bush, that all seem to die out or fall flat after a few weeks. You are just aching to get some scandal against him, because you know that we wouldn't tolerate it (unlike you Dems). Funny thing, you can't quite make it work.

Let's see if Ronnie Earle's patently political PERsecution of Tom Delay goes anywhere. I strongly expect that he will be fully acquitted. But that won't stop you Dems from saying Delay was corrupt (when it will be very obvious that he wasn't), and you won't shed a single tear over the injustice of criminalizing politics.

Your hypocricy and dishonesty in the lust for power are absolutely breathtaking and disgusting.

[Beowulf]

OK, Borgia. You're quick to point out corrupt Republicans. Now here's one for you, a corrupt Democrat, a former Illinois Congressman. Remember Dan Rostenkowski? I remember him on TV during Clinton's presidency saying in regards to Clinton's tax increases, "....which is why we don't think people will mind paying more taxes."

He got nailed on corruption charges too. Gosh golly gee, must be something in the political waters of Illinois. And a nice double standard, Rosty never went to jail but the GOP does. Interesting.

[dPrasse]

Amen Thomas !!

Lyin Ryan was elected by the liberal RINO's in IL ... surely , no self respecting Conservative voted for him ...he was "Lyin' Ryan" long before he was gov of IL ...

I still have a picture of him , long ago , as Attorney General , at the State Police firing range , firing a full auto MP5 sub machine gun , claiming thiat was an example of the kind of gun the IL semi-auto ban was going to ban ...

Lyin Ryan deserves jail for more than just this ... bye George , we won't miss you ...

[dPrasse]

OK, Borgia. You're quick to point out corrupt Republicans. Now here's one for you, a corrupt Democrat, a former Illinois Congressman. Remember Sam Rostenkowski?

Beo , get it RIGHT !! It was DAN rostenkowski ... geez , East coasters :D

He was the top guy in the Capital Hill post Office scam , cashing stamps in for cash ... he also stole the furniture from his office as he left ... must have been where Clinton learned the trade of trashing an office on the way out ...

[DoctorDoom]

Have a multiple orgasm, Borg:

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Will that do, kid?

[Beowulf]

There, Prasse, I fixed my post! Happy?:licky:

[dPrasse]

There, Prasse, I fixed my post! Happy?:licky:

Very !!
No prob , it IS hard keeping track of the corrupt politicians from IL ...

[Beowulf]

Leaving Illinois for a second, I'll bet Borgia thinks it's OK that Ted Kennedy didn't get in one ounce of trouble for killing Mary Jo Kopechne while drunk driving. God forbid if we prosecute a Democrat!

[dPrasse]

Yes , i'd be willing to bet there are not too many Repub Senators or Gov's that have killed a woman while drunk driving ..... great point from the East Coast :D!

[Kathy29]

This is the same governor who was so caring, compassionate and sympathetic that he signed into law a moratorium on the death penalty to protect the innocents on death row.

No matter what else he was, he was and is a liberal.

[omegatrump]

Just another Demopublican, plain and simple. Where is the disassociation outrage from the rest of the Demopublican governance?

[Borgia]

Funny thing is, you say a crook is a crook yet I see a lot of posts trying to tie him to Democrats and liberals. LOL! You don't want to accept it, he is a Republican crook.
When Cynthia McKinney beat up a cop, she claimed it was because the cop was racist. Did you speak up against her absurd and destructive actions and self-justifications?
On this very newsgroup I said McKinney was wrong. So yes I did speak up against her.


When it turned out that Harry Reid was tied up with Abramoff, have you called for HIS resignation? A strange silence has come from the left, other than to blame the messenger.
Why should I ask for his resignation? I did not ask for DeLay's resignation. Unlike you, I prefer to wait until investigations and a trial is complete before I assign guilt, especially for something as complex as Abramoff. It seems you have already established Reid's guilt.



Finally, one more thing: You Dems KNOW that we won't tolerate corruption, whereas you just see corruption as being one of the perks of having political power.

Hmm, it seems you Republicans EMBRACE convicts. Need I remind you of the success of Gordon Liddy, a convicted felon, who now is a popular conservative talk radio personality.

Or what about Oliver North, also a convicted felon who's conviction was thrown out not because of exonerating evidence, but because he had been promised immunity. Still, we know he did the crimes and was found guilty of them. Again, North is embraced by the right, showing up as sub hosts for popular talk radio programs, touted as an expert on FoxNews and so on.

So spare me your self-righteous holier than thou attitude. I don't claim the Dems are any better than the Repubs but it is clear you have your blinders on when you claim the reverse.


That is why you resort to investigations and reputation-smearing of the innocent, over and over:
Yeah, like Clinton.
Your hypocricy and dishonesty in the lust for power are absolutely breathtaking and disgusting.
Look in the mirror, my friend.

[Longhorn_Platinum]

Borgia:
Call him whatever you like but he is a registered Republican, he ran as a Republican, and he served as Governor as a Republican. Now he is going to jail as a Republican.

:smirky: Call him whatever you like, but John Wayne Gacy was a registered democrat, he voted democrat, & he went to prison as a democrat. Finally, he was executed as a democrat.

[Riverboat]

Ouch! No wonder he dressed up like a clown to attract victims.

[dPrasse]

Actually , if Borgia knew anything about that election ... he'd know that liberal Dems crossed over in droves to vote for Ryan , because the Democrat in that race ,Glenn Poshard' , was a pro-life , pro-gun Democrat ... I voted for the dem in that race , so , don't blame me for Ryan ... it was machine poli hacks and socialists that put Lyin Ryan in office ...

Repr Glenn Poshard, faces storm of criticism from liberals in party for starkly conservative voting record on social issues; some Democrats urge him to reach out to party's base, fearing liberals may sit out election or, worse, cast ballot for Republican nominee, George Ryan, whose positions on issues like gun control and gay rights are more to the liking of liberals than Poshard's are;

[dPrasse]

And , just for borgia ... 3 IL Govs have been indicted ... 2 Democrats and 1 Liberal Repub ... and the investigator , Fitzgerald , is a Repub too ....

[ThomasMore]

Funny thing is, you say a crook is a crook yet I see a lot of posts trying to tie him to Democrats and liberals. LOL! You don't want to accept it, he is a Republican crook.

Fine. You see what I said about Republican crooks.

On this very newsgroup I said McKinney was wrong. So yes I did speak up against her.

Good. I'm glad to see consistency in principle, whether it comes from the left or the right. I'm just not used to seeing it on the left.


Why should I ask for his resignation? I did not ask for DeLay's resignation.

That's fair, but not what most Democrats have been doing.

Unlike you, I prefer to wait until investigations and a trial is complete before I assign guilt, especially for something as complex as Abramoff.

That's fair if it is applied equally to both sides.

It seems you have already established Reid's guilt.

Actually, no. But so many have actually "established" Delay's guilt and treat him as tried and convicted, that if fair, they would do the same with Reid. They don't which is why I don't respect them.

Hmm, it seems you Republicans EMBRACE convicts. Need I remind you of the success of Gordon Liddy, a convicted felon, who now is a popular conservative talk radio personality. Or what about Oliver North, also a convicted felon who's conviction was thrown out not because of exonerating evidence, but because he had been promised immunity. Still, we know he did the crimes and was found guilty of them. Again, North is embraced by the right, showing up as sub hosts for popular talk radio programs, touted as an expert on FoxNews and so on.

Actually, I'm not a fan of either.

So spare me your self-righteous holier than thou attitude. I don't claim the Dems are any better than the Repubs but it is clear you have your blinders on when you claim the reverse.

I see the reverse every day. Sorry if you don't.

[Beowulf]

Or what about Oliver North, also a convicted felon who's conviction was thrown out not because of exonerating evidence, but because he had been promised immunity. Still, we know he did the crimes and was found guilty of them. Again, North is embraced by the right, showing up as sub hosts for popular talk radio programs, touted as an expert on FoxNews and so on.

Still bantering about Ollie I see. Since you were probably never in the military, you wouldn't understand something called "following orders," which he did. But, you Libs continue to banter about Iran/Contra. He did what he was told to do and yes, he took the fall for it.

[Borgia]

:smirky: Call him whatever you like, but John Wayne Gacy was a registered democrat, he voted democrat, & he went to prison as a democrat. Finally, he was executed as a democrat.

Damn Democrat!!! LOL! OF course the difference is Gacy was not a politician.

[Borgia]

Still bantering about Ollie I see. Since you were probably never in the military, you wouldn't understand something called "following orders," which he did. But, you Libs continue to banter about Iran/Contra. He did what he was told to do and yes, he took the fall for it.

I know that if a superior officer tells you to do something illegal you do not obey the order.

Simply "following orders" is the excuse of many a German officer in WWII.

[Borgia]

That's fair, but not what most Democrats have been doing. That's fair if it is applied equally to both sides.


And I see YOU are being fair although your party is no fairer than the Dems i IMO.



Actually, no. But so many have actually "established" Delay's guilt and treat him as tried and convicted, that if fair, they would do the same with Reid. They don't which is why I don't respect them.

Agreed, many are already convicted Delay which is wrong. But YOU wrote about Reid as if he were already guilty. Perhaps an oversight on your part.


Actually, I'm not a fan of either.

You seem like a reasonable conservative.


I see the reverse every day. Sorry if you don't.

I DO see Dems rushing to judgement and I don't like it.

[Pennville_Bill]

I could care less what political flavor their arses are. Corruption deserves punishment, regardless of party.

Agreed, and that pretty well tells the story. Corruption crosses all party lines and should be dealt with accordingly, i.e. without consideration or preference given to any political party affiliation.

[Beowulf]

I know that if a superior officer tells you to do something illegal you do not obey the order.

Simply "following orders" is the excuse of many a German officer in WWII.
Shows how little you know. Ollie was carrying out orders which at the time weren't illegal. The media got the story and Ollie was an easy target.

[DeclinetoState]

I would remind everyone here that this site is called FreeConservatives.com, not FreeRepublicans.com or FreeDemocrats.com or FreeLiberals.com. Few conservatives will support a corrupt liberal Republican in Name Only. The only way any conservative would support a corrupt RINO is if the alternative were worse--which is all too often the case.

[Borgia]

Shows how little you know. Ollie was carrying out orders which at the time weren't illegal. The media got the story and Ollie was an easy target.

No, his orders were illegal. It was against Administration policy to sell weapons to Iran but that did not stop Oliver North from selling 1000 BGM-71 TOW (Tube-launched, Optically-sighted, Wire-guided) missiles and shipping them to Iran. From May to November 1986, there were additional shipments of miscellaneous weapons and parts. Additionally, using the money to fund hte Contras was a direct violation fo the Boland amendment which Congress (you know, the people who make laws) had passed and REagan had signed.

I presume you just love the convicted felon, Oliver North.

[Borgia]

I wonder if any of those one thousand TOW missiles that Reagan sold to Iran ever made it into the hands of terrorists?

[Beowulf]

Your choice, Borgia. We either funded the Contras or we allow them to fall to the real enemy then, the Sandanistas, who were terrorists and enemies of the US. You say it was illegal, I say it was necessary, as did many other thousands of people.

I wonder if any of those one thousand TOW missiles that Reagan sold to Iran ever made it into the hands of terrorists?
So what's your point? We have sold weapons in the past and continue to do so to many Arab countries, Israel and others. How are we to know which of those countries we sell to today will be our enemies tomorrow? We don't.
That and the US makes billions in weapons sales abroad. It also provides thousands of American men and women with jobs as many of those weapons are contracted to companies in America.

[Borgia]

Your choice, Borgia. We either funded the Contras or we allow them to fall to the real enemy then, the Sandanistas, who were terrorists and enemies of the US. You say it was illegal, I say it was necessary, as did many other thousands of people.
I don't SAY it was illegal, it was. It seems you advocate breaking laws you don't believe in. Fine by me, but expect to pay the price.


So what's your point? We have sold weapons in the past and continue to do so to many Arab countries, Israel and others. How are we to know which of those countries we sell to today will be our enemies tomorrow? We don't.

Do you acknowledge that Iran was our enemy in the 80's? I mean, after that embassy siege how could Reagan miss the FACT that Iran and the US were enemies? Are you saying that Reagan did not realize it? I realize Reagan was out fo touch but how could he be that out of touch?

[Beowulf]

Read your history. The Shaw of Iran was kicked out in the late 70's. Iran before that wasn't the enemy and had bought much of it's arsenal before the 80's were arrived.

Are you saying that Reagan did not realize it?
Of course he realized it. Why do you think he chose to side with Saddam Hussein at the time, even if it was picking the lesser of two evils.

I realize Reagan was out fo touch but how could he be that out of touch?
HAH!!! Not likely! Reagan was only the best president this country has had to date. He backed up what he said and didn't give an inch!

[Borgia]

Read your history. The Shaw of Iran was kicked out in the late 70's. Iran before that wasn't the enemy and had bought much of it's arsenal before the 80's were arrived.

Um, yes, the Shah of Iran was kicked out in the 70's and was replaced by Ayatollah Khomeini who was virulently anti-American. Reagan sold the weapons to Iran in the 80's. When do YOU think REagan sold the weapons to Iran?


Of course he realized it. Why do you think he chose to side with Saddam Hussein at the time, even if it was picking the lesser of two evils.

HAH!!! Not likely! Reagan was only the best president this country has had to date. He backed up what he said and didn't give an inch!
Excellent, so you agree Reagan knew that Iran was our enemy. So why did he sell them weapons? You say he chose to side with Saddam yet he then sold Iran weapons?

[Rhino]

No, his orders were illegal. It was against Administration policy to sell weapons to Iran ......Policy and law are two different things.

Additionally, using the money to fund hte Contras was a direct violation fo the Boland amendment which Congress (you know, the people who make laws) had passed and REagan had signed.Boland didn't apply.

[Borgia]

Policy and law are two different things.

Boland didn't apply.

I fall in the group that considers the NSC as part of our intelligence groups.

So, I guess nobody here had any problems with Reagan selling anti-tank and anti-aircraft missiles to Iran. *shrugs* Hey, each to their own but I prefer tough on terrorism to mean you don't sell them weapons. Clearly opinions vary.

[Rhino]

I didn't say I didn't have a problem with it, only that it wasn't technically illegal. We sold quite a bit of stuff to Iran back then. I wasn't happy about the F-14s, but they didn't ask me.

[Borgia]

I didn't say I didn't have a problem with it, only that it wasn't technically illegal. We sold quite a bit of stuff to Iran back then. I wasn't happy about the F-14s, but they didn't ask me.

Fair enough. I wonder what the Reagan administration was thinking as they sent the armaments over to Iran? It sure does not come across as "tough on terrorists" when you sell them weapons in order to free hostages. I just do not get the logic there.

[Borgia]

Anyway, we are getting sidetracked. North is embraced by the Republican party despite him being a convicted felon. Same with Liddy.

Both parties are party to corruption. I have not said Dems or Republicans have more proclivities than the other but I sure see a lot of conservatives here thinking thier party is all rose-scented lilies. LOL.

And again, I note again the FACT that the governor was a Republican not being mentioned in the Fox story until the 29th paragraph. I truly doubt they would be so hesitant to label a Democrat politician if one were guilty of crimes. My original point was merely to show that FoxNews showed an incredible bias when the buried the Governor's political party affiliation.

Now, I don't think there is anything all that bad about biased news coverage. It is a fact of life. Yet Fox bills itself as unbiased and so many seem to swallow that corporate line with no questions. It is really rather humorous.

[Rhino]

.....My original point was merely to show that FoxNews showed an incredible bias when the buried the Governor's political party affiliation.

Now, I don't think there is anything all that bad about biased news coverage. It is a fact of life. Yet Fox bills itself as unbiased and so many seem to swallow that corporate line with no questions. It is really rather humorous.Fox didn't write the article. It was a wireservice article from the Associated Press. I myself was surprised that they waited so long to mention his party. AP is usually biased against Republicans, so I was pleasantly surprised.

[nicki33]

Yet Fox bills itself as unbiased and so many seem to swallow that corporate line with no questions. It is really rather humorous.
What really IS rather humorous is that CBS, CNN, MSNBC etc. call themselves reporting NEWS!!!!

When I was in grade school, I learned that NEWS was supposed to be acurate, unbiased, factual reporting of events. So what if FoxNews is sometimes slightly to the right! They are the only news network that I can stand to watch. They are the most unbiased station on the air!!!!!!!