U.S. tipping Mexico to Minuteman patrols

[Antigone]

U.S. tipping Mexico to Minuteman patrols
<!--subtitle--> <!--top author info--> <table align="center" border="0" width="100%"><tbody><tr><td class="articleByline"><!-- overline-->By Sara A. Carter, Staff Writer (sara.carter@dailybulletin.com)</td></tr></tbody></table>
While Minuteman civilian patrols are keeping an eye out for illegal border crossers, the U.S. Border Patrol is keeping an eye out for Minutemen -- and telling the Mexican government where they are. According to three documents on the Mexican Secretary of Foreign Relations Web site, the U.S. Border Patrol is to notify the Mexican government as to the location of Minutemen and other civilian border patrol groups when they participate in apprehending illegal immigrants -- and if and when violence is used against border crossers.
A U.S. Customs and Border Protection spokesman confirmed the notification process, describing it as a standard procedure meant to reassure the Mexican government that migrants' rights are being observed.
"It's not a secret where the Minuteman volunteers are going to be," Mario Martinez said Monday.
"This ... simply makes two basic statements -- that we will not allow any lawlessness of any type, and that if an alien is encountered by a Minuteman or arrested by the Minuteman, then we will allow that government to interview the person."
Minuteman members were not so sanguine about the arrangement, however, saying that reporting their location to Mexican officials nullifies their effectiveness along the border and could endanger their lives.
"Now we know why it seemed like Mexican officials knew where we were all the time," said Chris Simcox, founder of the Minuteman Civil Defense Corps. "It's unbelievable that our own government agency is sending intelligence to another country.

http://www.dailybulletin.com/news/ci_3799653

[Kathy29]

I have come to the inescapable conclusion that the US government is agitating to start a civil war. Every step it takes is a step closer to the inevitable.

[Antigone]

The below quotes from the article pretty much tell you who's side the U.S. Government is on and it doesn't appear to be on ours.

"Many times, we were told not to go out to Minuteman calls."

The document also mentions locations of field operations of Friends of the Border Patrol, which patrolled the San Diego sector from June to November 2005. Mexican officials had access to the exact location of the group founded by Andy Ramirez, which ran its patrols from the Rough Acre Ranch, a private property in McCain Valley.
Ramirez said that for safety reasons, he disclosed the location of his ranch patrol only to San Diego Border Patrol and law enforcement officials. The group did not apprehend or spot any undocumented migrants in that area.
"We did not release this information ... to the media or anyone else," Ramirez said. "We didn't want to publicize that information. But there it is, right on the Mexican government's Web site, and our government gave it to them."

[Lazarus]

This is clearly a concerted effort to discredit and nullify the Minutemen... Everyone who is intimate with that movement knows that they Minutemen do NOT arrest or even contact illegals crossing the border - They simply indentify and report them to the Border patrol... In fact the Minutemen have strict rules about NOT coming in contact with illegals...

The Government knows this... This is betrayal, pure and simple...

[Wolfcounsel]

U.S. Customs and Border Protection spokesman confirmed the notification process, describing it as a standard procedure meant to reassure the Mexican government that migrants' rights are being observed. --from Antigone's link

Wolf Counsel's Translation of the above crap--

Clown admitted to tattling to the Mexicans, because his boss says it is bad for Mexican trespassers to lose their rights to sneak on over here and leech off the American taxpayers.

[Wolfcounsel]

"I have come to the inescapable conclusion that the US government is agitating to start a civil war. Every step it takes is a step closer to the inevitable." --Kathy29

If the "powers that be" think the American people are a bunch of piss-ants like those in Iraq, Afghanistan, Iran, North Korea, China, and other hell-holes, well, all I will say is that their thought will be a fitting epitaph for their collective tombstone.http://freeconservatives.com/smilies/death2.gif

[EveningStar]

This is sick.

[Beowulf]

Most of our military is overseas. If we are to take back our country, now is the time. :flame: I'm sick of this pandering to Mexico and our government selling out.

[nene]

Disgraceful.

[omegatrump]

It's the "New World Order". The order that excludes the Law as it is on the books now.

It's "Homeland Security", the government of the government, by the government, and for the government.

It's an in your face "coup",to wrest this Republic from the control and self rule of it's people.

It's the imposition of "anarchy", to create conditions for reason to take down patriotism and those who would defend the Republic.

It reminds me of what we are watching on the weekly "24", and I think we may have our very own President Logan type.

In perspective, Americans will have the kind of Government they deserve, as painful as it is to watch. Just keep voting for the RepublicRats. Just keep voting in evil in what ever degree you so desire.

[EveningStar]

Border Patrol says it ain't so. (http://www.cbp.gov/xp/cgov/newsroom/highlights/news_highlights/statement05092006.xml)

[Gonzo67]

You just gotta love this bullshit spin they're vomiting out...


"This ... simply makes two basic statements -- that we will not allow any lawlessness of any type...


Ummm that is except the lawlessness of the f**king mexicans CROSSING ILLEGALLY INTO OUR COUNTRY that is....


and that if an alien is encountered by a Minuteman or arrested by the Minuteman, then we will allow that government to interview the person."


Yes, because what better way to STOP illegal activities than to pamper the criminal and DETAIN AND QUESTION the only people with the balls to UPHOLD THE LAWS.


Minuteman members were not so sanguine about the arrangement, however, saying that reporting their location to Mexican officials nullifies their effectiveness along the border and could endanger their lives.


Yes, but you see, our government couldn't give a shit less about the lives of American Citizens. We're more interested in protecting the poor, downtrodden VICTIMS of mexico who only want what they deserve... the right to BREAK OUR LAWS, and come to a foreign land to get THEIR FAIR SHARE of government FREEBIES AND HAND OUTS.


"Now we know why it seemed like Mexican officials knew where we were all the time," said Chris Simcox, founder of the Minuteman Civil Defense Corps. "It's unbelievable that our own government agency is sending intelligence to another country.


Yeah, I heard about that before... whats it called... oh yes... TREASON. Good to know our own government agencies have the full backing of the "pussies on the hill" to commit TREASON against their own countrymen.

[Antigone]

Border Patrol says it ain't so. (http://www.cbp.gov/xp/cgov/newsroom/highlights/news_highlights/statement05092006.xml)

Sorry, I don't buy it.

[PaulRevere]

In the dark days of WWI, the Russian citizenry were increasingly distressed, but they continued to support the czar whom they considered too insulated by his officials. If he just knew their plight, they thought, he'd help them because he loved them. Demonstrating before his palace, however, they were attacked by his guards. After that he lost all their support. What followed was the November revolt, followed by the Bolshevik takeover and the rise of the Soviet Union under Lenin.

Bush can't betray his own people and still keep their support. Maybe we won't get Bolsheviks, but Democrats aren't a good alternative.

[Lazarus]

Very good point, Paul... The Republican party is throwing away the power we entrusted in them... This government is not the one I voted for... I dont know these people... They are strangers to me...

Conservatives need a new Reagan today more than ever... We need to fire everyone in Washington and send an army of Statesmen to reaffirm the Government by the people...

[Kathy29]

Both democrats and republicans aren't throwing away the power entrusted to them. They are using that power for the benefit of a foreign government. In effect, becoming its puppet.

If we do not throw them out of office now, our chances of doing so in the future where loyal Americans are in the minority, will become slim indeed. If not non-existent.

Quite frankly, I'm not sure America will ever exist again. Certainly children are not being schooled in America and what it stands for. The truth of our history has been eliminated. Which alters our future.

[Pendragon_6]

I guess we know whose side the our government is on? :evilgrin:

[Kathy29]

In the dark days of WWI, the Russian citizenry were increasingly distressed, but they continued to support the czar whom they considered too insulated by his officials. If he just knew their plight, they thought, he'd help them because he loved them. Demonstrating before his palace, however, they were attacked by his guards. After that he lost all their support. What followed was the November revolt, followed by the Bolshevik takeover and the rise of the Soviet Union under Lenin.

Bush can't betray his own people and still keep their support. Maybe we won't get Bolsheviks, but Democrats aren't a good alternative.

What civil war was not preceeded by a massive disconnect between the people and an unconcerned government? Surely France suffered the same fate.

That's why I say that the same is inevitable here.

[Dowple]

Where are the people who always cry about the government "spying on Americans" (when they mean the likes of CAIR, Holy Land Foundation, and, oh, yes, all those Catholic priests who vow to break the law and aid illegal aliens)? Here is a case of the government (directed by Bush, no doubt) not only spying on Americans but spying on Americans at the behest of a foreign government! Meanwhile, Canned Rice just gave 9300 more Third Worlders refugee rights in the US. Here today, terrorists tomorrow. http://www.fortwayne.com/mld/fortwayne/news/local/14545354.htm No refugee status, of course, to those White farmers in Zimbabwe and South Africa who are systematically being cleansed from their land, after the US successfully put in power all those Hottentots with the IQ of a shoelace.

[Kathy29]

Yes indeed 9,300 Burmese dissidents who were rejected for asylum before. Why? As the article states:

They were declared ineligible under either the USA Patriot Act, a terrorist-hunting law passed shortly after the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks, or the Clear ID Act passed last year, also largely an anti-terrorist tool.
Under the U.S. Immigration and Nationality Act, Rice has discretionary authority to waive that requirement, which she did May 3, McCormack said.

Terrorists today, terrorists tomorrow.

[Beowulf]

Very good point, Paul... The Republican party is throwing away the power we entrusted in them... This government is not the one I voted for... I dont know these people... They are strangers to me...

Conservatives need a new Reagan today more than ever... We need to fire everyone in Washington and send an army of Statesmen to reaffirm the Government by the people...

Thank you, Laz, for pointing out what so many loyal Republicans are in denial over. They want to reform the party how? By "considering the alternative" and voting for the same meatballs who have betrayed us.
I didn't vote for this crap either and won't do so this time either. The Constitutionalist Party is looking very attractive right now.

[dPrasse]

It's the "New World Order". The order that excludes the Law as it is on the books now. ....

It's the imposition of "anarchy", to create conditions for reason to take down patriotism and those who would defend the Republic.

It reminds me of what we are watching on the weekly "24", and I think we may have our very own President Logan type.


I agree 100% .... New world order security is much more important than US Sovereignty Security " .... the RINODimmycraps are selling us out lock stock and barrel ....