Ann Coulter's latest BS

[EveningStar]

For anyone who is interested in Ann Coulter's latest bullshit, I've updated a thread which is buried in the Evolution forum. (http://www.freeconservatives.com/vb/showthread.php?t=34885)

[DesertFox]

Whatchoo got against Ann Coulter? :question:

I sorta like the bitch, myself, and have read all her books but this latest one, because I haven't ordered it yet, but plan to when I get a round tuit, which I don't have since I misplaced the one I did have, but even without it I expect I'll order her book because she's a good read who fearlessly takes on the peckerheads.





So there

[nene]

She's a little frail to my liking, but I like her mouth.

[Trevelyan]

She makes my skin crawl.

[nene]

She makes my skin crawl.Is it cuz her mind, or her body?

[Trevelyan]

Is it cuz her mind, or her body?

.........Both?

[Patriot Heart]

She is feisty and has an outspoken, sharp tongue. Thus she is disliked by some. As for her BS, there was a time when I believed creationists were grasping at straws. After spending a weekend listening to lectures Ken Ham of Answers in Genesis, I feel differently.

[Riverboat]

She makes my skin crawl.Mine too. It crawls right into bed with a wish for her skin to crawl in next to mine.

[Bold_Fighter]

She is a good American and supports a lot of good things. She is hard on the libs and helps us in every way. The new book will be very good.

[DeclinetoState]

IMHO, Ann says a lot of dumb things, then watches liberals prove her right.

[DoctorDoom]

... but plan to when I get a round tuit, which I don't have since I misplaced the one I did have ...At your service!

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[Nutrider99]

Is it cuz her mind, or her body?
I wouldn't mind playing with her body.

[Lazarus]

IMHO, Ann says a lot of dumb things, then watches liberals prove her right.I think that is the most enlightened statement on the subject so far... DS wins the prize...:thumb:

[Pendragon_6]

:claps: :claps: :claps:

Ann is great! My kinda girl. Strong conservative values, doesn't take crap. Plus, she's a knock-out. And the lib's hate her, which makes her one of my heroines.

[Naturalized-Texan]

:claps: :claps: :claps:

Ann is great! My kinda girl. Strong conservative values, doesn't take crap. Plus, she's a knock-out. And the lib's hate her, which makes her one of my heroines.
I will soon be ordering her new book. She is a great read.

[JohnSteel]

Man, conservatives really creep me out when they talk about how good Ann Coulter is.

[HomeschoolrsRUs]

Man, conservatives really creep me out when they talk about how good Ann Coulter is.

We can relate. That's exactly the way we feel when we hear liberals talk about how good Clinton was/is, and Hillary, and Michael Moore, and abortion, and taxing the rich, and . . . .

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[Foquet]

...and protesting dead GI's fuenral's or putting up office pools for when the 1,000 or the 2,000th GI will be killed...or worship an impeached/disbarred/fined/accused rapist of a President. And one whose wife is running for a third term...etc etc etc.

Everything about Marxism (oops...liberalism) creeps me out. Far more than the ghost of Sen. Byrd will scare me for the next 1,000 years.

[Maggie_T]

Man, conservatives really creep me out when they talk about how good Ann Coulter is.

We feel your pain, John.

You liberals really creep us out when you talk about how good Hillary, Al Franken, Jimmy Carter, Blabs Streisand, etc., are.

[Maggie_T]

Everything about Marxism (oops...liberalism) creeps me out. Far more than the ghost of Sen. Byrd will scare me for the next 1,000 years.

Foquet, that makes two of us. Marxists (a.k.a. "progressives" :rolleyes: ) creep me out, too. Not to mention how much they disgust me.

[Maggie_T]

For anyone who is interested in Ann Coulter's latest bullshit, I've updated a thread which is buried in the Evolution forum. (http://www.freeconservatives.com/vb/showthread.php?t=34885)



ES, if you dislike her so much, why don't you just ignore her? You're liberal-like bashing of her is becoming a bit tiresome. Especially because there are a lot of us here who like Ann very much.

Just ignore her, mate. You needn't talk about her.

[BarkleUSA]

Re:

Man, conservatives really creep me out when they talk about how good Ann Coulter is.
We conservatives admire anyone that speaks truth to power; Ann grabs the powerful libs by the balls and crams truth up their anal retentive ass.

What’s not to like; beauty, brains and a healthy contempt for all things liberal.

[Suzie]

ES, if you dislike her so much, why don't you just ignore her? You're liberal-like bashing of her is becoming a bit tiresome. Especially because there are a lot of us here who like Ann very much.

Just ignore her, mate. You needn't talk about her.

That's what I do. I turn the channel if she comes on TV, if my husband doesn't beat me to the remote. Like fingernails on a chalkboard but easier to make go away.

[Maggie_T]

We conservatives admire anyone that speaks truth to power; Ann grabs the powerful libs by the balls and crams truth up their anal retentive ass.

That's why liberals hate her, Barkle.

What’s not to like; beauty, brains and a healthy contempt for all things liberal.

Exactly! Barkle, you're a man after my own heart.

I LOVE Ann. I ordered her new book and I can't wait to read it. :licky:

[Foquet]

Ann is awesome. She can tie a liberal in a knot without using a rope. Just the lib's own tongue. and that drives them battier than having a neighbor who voted for Reagan. (Note: I have the video of her interview with Perky Katie, in case anyone is interested. It was good to see Perky's nylons cut off below the waist).

However, Ann could stand to eat a few sandwiches. (To borrow from Crow from MST3K).

[Maggie_T]

Well, yes, I agree. She's far too thin.

[Charity]

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Liberals just creep me out.................

Ann rocks!

[DoctorDoom]

Man, conservatives really creep me out when they talk about how good Ann Coulter is.Man, liberals really creep me out when they talk about how good Molly Ivins is.

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Well, yes, I agree. She's far too thin.No argument there. The lady is good looking. A few extra strategic pounds would make her beautiful. Here's a conservative columnist with "it".

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[DeclinetoState]

Re:Man, conservatives really creep me out when they talk about how good Ann Coulter is.


We conservatives admire anyone that speaks truth to power; Ann grabs the powerful libs by the balls and crams truth up their anal retentive ass.

What’s not to like; beauty, brains and a healthy contempt for all things liberal.

John should cheer up. Libs have Susan Estrich.

:yuck:

[DoctorDoom]

And Molly Ivins and Helen Thomas and the ever-ravishing ...

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[Timberwolf]

Oh bloody wonderful...now I'm gonna have nightmares for a month!!!

Doc, you just ain't quite right, iz ya?? LOL

[DoctorDoom]

Just scroll up to post 28 and tell yourself over and over, "I will think about Debbie and forget about Teddy's man-boobs." :evilgrin:

[Nutrider99]

Well, yes, I agree. She's far too thin.
The libs keep offering her pies... but she keeps ducking 'em!

[Dania]

For anyone who is interested in Ann Coulter's latest bullshit, I've updated a thread which is buried in the Evolution forum. (http://www.freeconservatives.com/vb/showthread.php?t=34885)


Ann Coulter is kinda like Rush. I probably wouldn't listen to or support either of them if it weren't for the FACT that both are extremely effective at countering leftist BS, and at making the lefties froth at the mouth. You gotta love that about Ann & Rush!

One surefire go-by I've always used is....if someone on the right is rabidly hated by the left, they're automatically someone I will always support and listen to, since the only reason the lefties hate them is because the lefties know they are dangerous and a threat to the leftist agenda.

I had stopped listening to Rush until they attacked him re: his drug addiction and tried to jail him for doctor shopping (a law which is rarely, if EVER used or enforced in Florida, unless it's against a popular and effective conservative, that is). Now I'm back listening to him every day. I also purchased Ann's Treason and thought it was another excellent expose of the enemy within (leftists/socialists) that we have to defeat if we are going to keep our freedoms and our democracy.

So say what you wish against Ann. She's kicking leftie @ss, taking names, and nailing the leftists every day. And for that, I applaud and support her. (and she's still better looking that Nancy Pillosi (sp intentional).

[Maggie_T]

Dania, I applaud your common sense. :clap:

[Borgia]

I laugh at Coulter since she is such a great comedienne. When she said the New York Times (NYT) ignored Earnhardt's death for a couple days her meticulous research had failed to see the front page article the day after Earnhardt's death. Yep, her research of facts is oh so reliable. LOL

Or the time on Page 8 of her book Slander when she claimed that the NYT did not report on a controversial speech by Jesse Jackson. Again, her "research" failed to notice the Dec 20, 1994 article in the NYT on the controversy and even used excerpts of Jackson's speech.

Or when she just totally makes things up. Let's see, again in Slander, page 134 she claimed Reagan's approval ratings only fell 5 points from 80 to 75%. She makes a cite of a Christian Science Monitor article but if you check the source out (and Coulter knows most conservatives will not) you will find the article says Reagan's approval rating fell from 63% to 47%.

Soi if you like someone who will tell you what you like to hear and to hell with facts if they get in the way, Coulter is your best choice. She knows her audience and plays up to them.

[DoctorDoom]

It's like this, Borg. Ann is a nationally-known author of best-selling books and an unrelenting thorn in the side of whiny-ass liberals. You, OTOH, are an anonymous liberal nobody who trolls Internet BBs when you're not looking forlornly in the mirror and sniveling, "I wanna be famous and important, too!"

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[Dania]

To Maggie:

Well hey....thanks. My ex probably wouldn't agree with you tho...hehe.

[Dania]

To Borgia:

I like someone, like Ann, who pisses off leftists on a daily basis. I guess that would probably include YOU, eh?

[Borgia]

It's like this, Borg. Ann is a nationally-known author of best-selling books and an unrelenting thorn in the side of whiny-ass liberals. You, OTOH, are an anonymous liberal nobody who trolls Internet BBs when you're not looking forlornly in the mirror and sniveling, "I wanna be famous and important, too!"

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Actually, I have no interest whatsoever in being famous. Yuck. Not my cup of tea. I detect that you like to feel quite self-important on this board though.

And of course you don't want to hear me expose Coulter when she lies. Some people prefer lies than truth if it supports their side politically.

[Maggie_T]

To Maggie:

Well hey....thanks. My ex probably wouldn't agree with you tho...hehe.

Porbably not. As you can see, there are many conservatives who are more worried about not offending liberals than anything else. Maine is full of them.

[Borgia]

To Borgia:

I like someone, like Ann, who pisses off leftists on a daily basis. I guess that would probably include YOU, eh?

She does not piss me off so much as make me feel sorry for her and her fans. She is a reminder of how low our discourse has sunk and I yearn for the days when people of opposite political stripes would talk civilly to each other and engage each other intellectually. Coulter gives you what you want - reinforcement of your ideas and attacks on liberals. But has she made you think and change your opinion ever?

I note nobody botherd to address her lies that I posted. Why is that? Do you excuse them? Is it acceptable to lie for your cause?

[Maggie_T]

Soi if you like someone who will tell you what you like to hear and to hell with facts if they get in the way, Coulter is your best choice. She knows her audience and plays up to them.

ROFLMBO!!!!

Oh, this is so rich coming from a liberal. :grin:

Borgia, you forget your own multiple choices: Michael Moore, Howard Dean, Blabs Streisand, Al Franken, Ted Kennedy, Susan Estrich, Alan Colmes, Madonna, Sean Penn, Janeanne Garofalo, etc., etc., etc.

Ann's research may be faulty at time. The above-mentioned cadre doesn't reasearch at all. They just spin their lies over and over and over again because they know it's what their audience (which I'm sure includes you) want to hear. So they repeat their bumper sticker policies, their Bush-bashing (always a favorite among you guys), their constant abuse of conservatives, etc.

You see, guys? Here we have yet another example of liberal double standard. When we do it, it's bad. When they do it, it's ok. Surprised, anyone? :grin:

[Borgia]

ROFLMBO!!!!

Oh, this is so rich coming from a liberal. :grin:

Borgia, you forget your own multiple choices: Michael Moore, Howard Dean, Blabs Streisand, Al Franken, Ted Kennedy, Susan Estrich, Alan Colmes, Madonna, Sean Penn, Janeanne Garofalo, etc., etc., etc.

Maggie, you are not talking to a generic liberal but to me.


Ann's research may be faulty at time. The above-mentioned cadre doesn't reasearch at all. They just spin their lies over and over and over again because they know it's what their audience (which I'm sure includes you) want to hear. So they repeat their bumper sticker policies, their Bush-bashing (always a favorite among you guys), their constant abuse of conservatives, etc.

You see, guys? Here we have yet another example of liberal double standard. When we do it, it's bad. When they do it, it's ok. Surprised, anyone? :grin:

Let's take Colmes as an example. Feel free to document outright lies on his part. Let's see if you can do the same as I so easily did for Coulter. You just said above that he lies over and over again. Please advise of a lie (not a policy difference) by Alan Colmes, for example. You included his name so I assume you can provide evidence of his lying.

[Foquet]

Than post it.

I am are getting bored at your bitching about Ann, without a refutation.

[Borgia]

Than post it.

I am are getting bored at your bitching about Ann, without a refutation.

Then read it. I already posted examples of Coulter lies 10 posts up my friend. I can understand you getting bored if you are not bothering to actually read the thread.

[Foquet]

No..you are the one boring me.

The next time my butt itches, I shall think of you. Begone, wretch.

[Borgia]

No..you are the one boring me.

The next time my butt itches, I shall think of you. Begone, wretch.

I'm sorry, you said, "Than post it." I had presumed from that sentence that you actually were interested in me providing evidence of Coulter lies. I kindly pointed out that I had already done so a little earlier in this thread. Now your reply is you don't want to look at them - too bored.

It seems a tad disingenuous of you to ask for something, then when I provide it, you say you are no longer interested.

[Foquet]

If you had given me something to look at, I might have been interested. Your loss and lack of an argument. Than you, Miss Pelosi.

I would rather search porn than listen to more of your liberal drivel.

Heads up.

[DesertFox]

I note nobody botherd to address her lies that I posted. Why is that? Do you excuse them? Is it acceptable to lie for your cause?Borgia, you have the usual annoying liberal habit of styling mistakes "lies." Coulter does her own research, and does it using Lexis/Nexis. Compare her to any -- and I mean any -- of her counterparts on the Left, and she's clean as a hound's tooth. So you've found three bona fide mistakes Coulter made in Slander. Compare that to the scores of mistakes found in Fahrenheit 911. Or Al Franken's picayune "Gotcha!" when he finds a misspelled word, and the errors HE made in HIS book. I think Franken's actually were errors, but Moore's were plain old lies.

I yearn for the days when people of opposite political stripes would talk civilly to each other and engage each other intellectually.Now that is exactly what we conservatives have yearned for for years -- but liberals opened this nasty war when Ted Kennedy borked Bork with lie after lie, and reneged on the deal with Oliver North for immunity to persecute (and prosecute) him for years after his Congressional appearances, and then Tom Daschle lied to the first Bush by promising not to use the tax increase for political gain -- Bush only agreed to it because the Democrats were going to freeze govt in its tracks. Bush signed, per agreement, and Daschle went straight from the signing to a news conference where he cynically said that Bush had broken his promise not to raise taxes. Those are just three examples of many more. Democrats lowered the civility level, and then lowered it again, and again. Fighting back isn't on the same plane as starting a fight. Coulter gives you what you want - reinforcement of your ideas and attacks on liberals. But has she made you think and change your opinion ever?Matter of fact, she changed my opinion of Joe McCarthy. So yes, she has made me think and change my opinion.

[DoctorDoom]

She is a reminder of how low our discourse has sunk and I yearn for the days when people of opposite political stripes would talk civilly to each other and engage each other intellectually.Rather than getting on Ann's case, you might want to take that lament to the liberals, to whom hate speech is a modus operandi.

First, snippets from various sound bites of the Contract with America era:

"Why do the Republicans want to take apples and milk away from six-year-olds... Starving children is not the solution to balancing our budget... The Republicans are taking food out of the mouths of needy and middle-class children... It's cruel to kids... It's really a contract against children... Stop declaring war on our kids... War on their children. War on their children... We're going to let the kids go hungry again... And our children are being left the crumbs of the Gingrich revolution."

"This legislation is mean... I'd also like to speak to (sic) a moment about the mean-spiritedness I'm hearing about out of the floor today... But how can they be so mean-spirited... These cuts are mean-spirited... The mean-spirited Republicans... It is mean-spirited. It is vicious... The contract is too extreme, too mean-spirited... The draconian, mean-spirited and immoral cuts in funding... We're seeing draconian cuts in all sorts of social-service programs... Once again, they're playing Robin Hood in reverse, taking from the poor to give to the rich."

"The Gingrich/Dole Congress has been the most anti-labor Congress and anti-working-people Congress in the history of the United States of America, and it's time to turn them OUT!"
-- Tree-hugger Gore

"This has been without a doubt the worst environmental Congress in the history of our country. Americans today, had they had their way, would be drinking dirtier water, breathing dirtier air, and facing public health risks they should not have to face."
-- Sen. Tom Daschle

"GOP - Get Old People"

"We view yesterday's action, taken by the Republican conference, as an assault on diversity in the Congress and an attempt to disempower communities through congressional ethnic and philosophical cleansing."
-- Kwese Nfume, re Republicans cutting funding for Congressional Black Caucus

"What's next? Castration? Sterilization?"

"They're coming for our children. They're coming for the poor. They're coming for the sick, the elderly and the disabled."
-- Rep. John Lewis, GA

"He can raise enough money from the extreme right wing, the extra-chromosome right wing (a shot at Down's Syndrome victims), to come in and buy enough advertising to just overwhelm the truth."
-- Compassionate Algore

"The reason they're trying to slow the rate of increase in the program, I suppose, is that eventually they'd like to see the program just die and go away. You know, that's probably what they'd like to see happen to some seniors, too, if you think about it."
-- Compassionate Mike McCurry.

"If this bill ever became law, our drinking water would be dirtier, would make more people sick, and would kill more people."
-- Tree-hugger Gore

"What's being done to our society, the torture and the maiming of our society, is incomprehensible."
-- Major Owens

"You're a bunch of dictators, that's all you are... I had to fight you guys fifty years ago."
-- Sam Gibbons (Republicans are Nazis)


And from the era of President G.W. Bush...

The United States "is on the slippery slope to theocratic fascism." "The Catholic Church has been secretly encouraging oral sex for years."

Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld "ought to be tortured." President Bush should be taken out and shot.

[snip]

The queen of venom, Randi Rhodes, followed Franken in the host slot. Her imitation of a cracker military type telling a soldier to "insert this fluorescent light bulb into that man's buttocks" was revolting. She compared U.S. prisons in Iraq to the "Nazi gulag" and said, "The day I say thank you to Rumsfeld is the same day I'll say thank you to the 12 people who raped me."

Rock bottom came when she compared Bush and his family to the Corleones in the "Godfather" saga. "Like Fredo, somebody ought to take him out fishing and phuw," she said, imitating the sound of gunfire.
Liberal radio is airing bad jokes and worst taste (http://www.nydailynews.com/news/col/story/192671p-166266c.html)

After celebrities raised $7.5 million with a concert for Democratic candidates John Kerry and John Edwards last night (July 8) in New York, an angry Bush campaign challenged their opponents to release a videotape showing performers calling the president a "liar" and a "cheap thug" during the show.

Actor Chevy Chase drew laughs and cheers from the Radio City Music Hall audience when he described politicians and their hobbies: "Clinton plays the sax, John plays the guitar, and the president's a liar." John Mellencamp sang a song about a "Texas Bandito" that referred to Bush as a "cheap thug."

[snip]

Celebrities didn't hold back, bashing Bush at every opportunity. "This guy's as bright as an egg timer," said Chase, who ridiculed the president for his tendency to flub the English language. Actor John Leguizamo, who is Puerto Rican, quipped: "Latins for Republicans. It's like roaches for Raid."

Actor Paul Newman assailed Bush's tax cuts as "borderline criminal," saying, "There is serious and dangerous stuff out there and something's gotta change." Actress Jessica Lange asked the crowd, "Are we going to continue to follow a self-serving regime of deceit, hypocrisy and belligerence?"
Concert For Kerry/Edwards Raises $7.5M (http://www.billboard.com/bb/daily/article_display.jsp?vnu_content_id=1000574095)

When I read about people spitting on the Honor Guard at the New York State Democratic Convention May 16, I started to understand what has happened to my party over the last few years. I still can't get over the fact that Democrats attending a formal convention would so insult the American flag, but it happened. As an Honor Guard of Albany police officers entered the convention hall - with band playing and lights shining - they were spit on and called "Nazis" by a number of people on the delegate floor. On top of that, no Democrat nearby stopped the "spitters," or even reported them. And the Democratic leadership expressed no public outrage.

[snip]

On Sunday, June 18, the headline of the Washington Post read, "Political Dirty Tricks Alleged in Alabama Trial," but the story revealed something far more serious than "dirty tricks." A Democrat lawyer and a private investigator are now being tried for attempting to defeat a Republican candidate in 1998 by bribing a prostitute to accuse the Republican of raping her. The prostitute recanted and turned witness against the two "Democrats."

[snip]

About a week after the spitting incident at the New York Democratic Party Convention, there was another incident that shocked me profoundly. I still cannot believe this one actually happened, but it is on videotape. At the MCI Center fund-raiser in Washington, Robin Williams performed before a crowd of corporate and Democrat dignitaries, people who would that very night raise the party over 26 million dollars.

The fund-raiser, including Williams's performance, was broadcast live on C-SPAN. However, that didn't stop Robin Williams from doing some kind of seedy nightclub act. He used the F-word and other obscenities several times (C-SPAN later cut this out when the event was rebroadcast). Imagine. A grand room full of powerful Democrats, representatives of America's oldest political party, and the F-word is being said, over and over again with cameras recording!

As in the case of the harassment of the Honor Guard at the Albany Democratic Convention, the specific violation was bad enough, but the most egregious violation was the passive, cowardly acceptance of the audience. The hardest thing to believe - for those of us who remember America before 1992 - was that the president, vice president and Mrs. Clinton were at this fund-raiser. Did none of them think to stand up and leave? Didn't anyone in the audience consider booing the smutty language spoken before the assembled dignitaries? No, there was only laughter.

Even when Robin Williams noticed a child present and joked about the "new words" he was learning that night - even then - no one objected. Not one Democrat dared step forward and condemn the moment. Peer pressure is a powerful and coercive thing, for adults as well as children - one breaks rank at one's peril. And I'm sure it wouldn't have been good for "business" for the party leadership to create embarrassment at such a high-level Hollywood/corporate function. So everyone laughed.
Fascism, corruption and my 'Democratic' Party (http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=16391)

I had noticed that when a prominent Republican or conservative said something offensive about liberals, it typically set off a storm of media condemnation, while an anti-conservative smear voiced by a liberal or a Democrat rarely drew any protest. There was no end of sour commentary, for example, when Newt Gingrich recommended (in a GOP strategy meeting) that Clinton Democrats be portrayed as "the enemy of normal Americans." It was an outrageous remark, particularly from an incoming speaker of the House, and Gingrich deserved the drubbing he received.

But when Jesse Jackson explicitly likened the proposals of the new majority to Nazism and apartheid -- "If this were Germany, we would call it fascism. If this were South Africa, we would call it racism" -- there wasn't even a ripple of disapproval. Julianne Malveaux, a radio host and USA Today columnist, caught no flak when she prayed aloud for the death of Supreme Court Justice Clarence Thomas. "I hope his wife feeds him lots of eggs and butter and he dies early like many black men do, of heart disease," she snarled on PBS. "Well, that's how I feel."

What was true in 1994 remains largely true today. MSNBC fired right-wing talk host Michael Savage in July, and rightly so, when he told a gay caller to "get AIDS and die, you pig." The liberal Nina Totenberg, on the other hand, suffered no ill effects for saying, during the flap over General Jerry Boykin's views of Islam and the war on terrorism, "I hope he's not long for this world." When the startled host asked if she were "putting a hit out on this guy," Totenberg backtracked and said she only wanted to see him expire "in his job."

But this isn't the first time the NPR diva has publicly wished death on a conservative. "I think he ought to be worried about what's going on in the Good Lord's mind," she said of Senator Jesse Helms in 1995, "because if there is retributive justice, he'll get AIDS from a transfusion, or one of his grandchildren will get it."

[snip]

"What you have now" -- this is left-wing activist and actress Janeane Garofalo, analyzing the Republican Party during an appearance at the 92d Street Y in New York earlier this year -- "is people that are closet racists, misogynists, homophobes, and people who love . . . the politics of exclusion identifying as conservative." That was apparentlygood enough to win her a guest-host slot on CNN's "Crossfire," where she offered this thoughtful critique of the Patriot Act: "It is in fact a conspiracy of the 43d Reich."

Ah, yes, the reductio ad Hitlerum. Why meet a conservative with facts or logic when you can simply tar him with the Nazi brush? Thus we had Nancy Giles on the "CBS Sunday Morning show" sourly tying Rush Limbaugh's "edgy" radio manner to you-know-who's. "Hitler would have killed in talk radio," Giles declared. "He was edgy, too." Ellen Gray of the Philadelphia Daily News struck a similar note in commenting on "The Reagans," the cancelled miniseries. "If Hitler had more friends," she told The Washington Post, "CBS wouldn't have aired [its Hitler mini-series] either."
Jacoby: Hate Speech from the Left (http://www.thebluesite.com/archives/000300.html)

In a speech yesterday denouncing U.S. policy in Iraq, he compared George W. Bush first to Richard Nixon, which is excessive. Then he compared Bush to Faust and said the president had lost his soul in pursuit of a policy of "domination."

He accused the United States of setting up an "American Gulag," thus comparing the incidents at Abu Ghraib to Josef Stalin's vast slave-prison archipelago that shackled nearly 30 million people in an Arctic wasteland and caused the deaths of many millions more.

He has, in essence, declared that the monstrous American creeps we've seen in the Abu Ghraib photographs are victims as much as those they humiliated: "On the list of those he let down are the young soldiers who are themselves apparently culpable, but who were clearly put into a moral cesspool. The perpetrators as well as the victims were both placed in their relationship to one another by the policies of George W. Bush."
GORE GOES GA-GA (http://www.nypost.com/postopinion/opedcolumnists/21671.htm)

A self-described liberal talk-show host known for his disdain of the Bush administration called for the death penalty for the president and Secretary of State Donald Rumsfeld for "war crimes," according to an audiotape.

Mike Webb, who has a late-night show on KIRO radio in Seattle, denied a report last week by Talon News, but the Internet site said today it has a tape that proves the host make the statements on the air.

The prison abuse in Iraq "is a war crime, committed by the president of the United States," Webb declared on his show. "And do you know what the punishment for that is? Death!"
Talk host: Death penalty for Bush (http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=38671)

It's a cliché this is becoming the meanest year in politics yet. But it's true. Last week, Mike Lavigne, the spokesman for the Texas Democratic Party, admitted calling a state Supreme Court justice "a Nazi." When his boss, Democratic Party chairman Charles Soecthting, was asked if an apology was due, he said, "I don't have a problem that Mike said it."

Then there's Sen. Ted Kennedy, who told a startled Senate last week that "Saddam's torture chambers have been reopened under new management, United States management." Some conservative talk show hosts, such as Michael Savage, have railed against gays and immigrants while they question John Kerry's patriotism. On the left, Bush bashing has become a national sport.

[snip]

Certainly there are rhetorical excesses on the right too. High-octane conservative Web sites feature vitriolic personal attacks on Hillary Clinton, John Kerry, Teresa Heinz Kerry and others. But some liberal activists go further. Michael Goodwin of New York's Daily News spent a day listening to Air America, the new liberal talk-radio network, and found he had to endure hours of "rancid venom." Host Randi Rhodes compared U.S. prisons in Iraq to the "Nazi gulag," a mixed ideological metaphor as well as an inflammatory one.

Nor are Nazi allusions limited to talk radio. Seymour Hersh, who broke the story of the Iraqi prisons in The New Yorker, appeared on CNN last week and said a picture of two guard dogs snarling at a prisoner was "a scene from we know what, you know, [the] Third Reich." When host Wolf Blitzer asked him to be more specific, Mr. Hersh changed the subject.

MoveOn.org is financed in part by billionaire George Soros, who last year also compared Mr. Bush to Hitler and said that Israel was "likely" a big but secret reason for the war in Iraq. Mr. Soros is also a major financial backer of the Media Fund, an anti-Bush group directed by Harold Ickes, who served as President Clinton's deputy chief of staff. When Mr. Ickes was asked what its supporters thought of Mr. Soros's penchant for Bush-Hitler comparisons, Mr. Ickes said "we have not taken heat because of it."
Anger Management (http://www.opinionjournal.com/forms/printThis.html?id=110005088)

What I saw on the Portland, Ore., branch of the Independent Media Center this week is something I never thought I would see in this country.

That's where the memory of American hero Pat Tillman – the professional football player who gave up a $3.6 million sports contract to volunteer for military service in Iraq and Afghanistan and who lost his life last week – was cruelly attacked.

The anti-globalist website posted a story on the ex-NFL player who became an Army Ranger, Pat Tillman, with the title, "Dumb Jock Killed in Afghanistan."

[snip]

The Portland Independent Media Center website was filled with comments affirming the "Dumb Jock" headline.

One suggested an alternative headline, " ... or, how about, 'privileged millionaire, blinded by nationalist mythology, p------ away the good life.'"

Another suggested headline was: "'Citizen of empire allows ignorance to cause him to die for imperialism' or maybe ... 'Capitalist chooses to kill innocents instead of cashing check.'"

One reader who was identified as "George W." wrote, "Thanks for the laugh."

Commenting on the article's reference to a "brave American," a reader replied: "'brave'???? for going over to Afghanistan completely uninvited and slaughtering brown-skinned people with advanced weaponry?"

Another said: "Tillman chose to go to Afghanistan. He's partially reponsible [sic] for the deaths of hundreds, maybe thousands of Afghan civilians. No need to feel sorry for him, other than feeling bad that he was brainwashed into serving as a grunt."
What country is this? (http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=38237)


Liberal civility is a wondrous thing to behold.

[Borgia]

If you had given me something to look at, I might have been interested. Your loss and lack of an argument. Than you, Miss Pelosi.

I would rather search porn than listen to more of your liberal drivel.

Heads up.

All right, so there is no need for me to take your requests seriously in the future. Fair enough.

[DoctorDoom]

Liberal Civility, Part 2.

Such venom should be beyond the political and social pale. But too many liberals would still rather dismiss conservative ideas with a ugly slur than actually grapple with them on the merits. Debating the pros and cons of racial preferences or US foreign policy can be difficult; much easier to simply hiss "Racist!" or "Nazi!" or some equally poisonous insult.

"What you have now" -- this is left-wing activist and actress Janeane Garofalo, analyzing the Republican Party during an appearance at the 92d Street Y in New York earlier this year -- "is people that are closet racists, misogynists, homophobes, and people who love . . . the politics of exclusion identifying as conservative." That was apparently good enough to win her a guest-host slot on CNN's "Crossfire," where she offered this thoughtful critique of the Patriot Act: "It is in fact a conspiracy of the 43d Reich."

Ah, yes, the reductio ad Hitlerum. Why meet a conservative with facts or logic when you can simply tar him with the Nazi brush? Thus we had Nancy Giles on the "CBS Sunday Morning show" sourly tying Rush Limbaugh's "edgy" radio manner to you-know-who's. "Hitler would have killed in talk radio," Giles declared. "He was edgy, too." Ellen Gray of the Philadelphia Daily News struck a similar note in commenting on "The Reagans," the cancelled miniseries. "If Hitler had more friends," she told The Washington Post, "CBS wouldn't have aired [its Hitler mini-series] either."

But of course no one came in for more Hitler comparisons this year than George W. Bush. Third Reich references were practically a staple of antiwar rhetoric.

The president "is not the orator that Hitler was," acknowledged leftist commentator Dave Lindorff at Counterpunch.org. "But comparisons of the Bush administration's fearmongering tactics to those practiced so successfully and with such terrible results by Hitler and Goebbels . . . are not at all out of line."Hate Speech from the Left (http://www.thebluesite.com/archives/000300.html)

The racist label was mild next to some of the other ones liberals used in 1994. One popular technique: identifying conservatives with genocide.

"The most hideous schemes are being put forth now in the name of conservatism," railed Jesse Jackson, the man who added "Hymietown" to our lexicon. "If this were Germany, we would call it fascism. If this were South Africa, we would call it racism. Here we call it conservatism."

Religious conservatives, he said, are really latter-day SS troops, straight out of Nuremberg:

"The Christian Coalition was a strong force in Germany. It laid down a suitable, scientific, theological rationale for the tragedy in Germany. The Christian Coalition was very much in evidence there . . ."

Minnesota's liberal Republican Gov. Arne Carlson used the same calumny against his conservative GOP challenger, a devout Christian. History, he said, shows how "a narrow sliver has the ability to take over any entire system. That clearly is how Hitler started out."A year of character-assassination from the left (http://www.boston.com/news/globe/editorial_opinion/oped/articles/1994/12/27/a_year_of_character_assassination_from_the_left/)

No slur is more popular in the hate lexicon of the left than "racist." Except possibly "Nazi." When characterizing conservatives and Republicans, liberals reach for both. Some illustrations:

- "Hitler had a minister of propaganda that said tell a lie, tell a big lie. . . . Republicans are telling the biggest lie in the world. . . . What's next, castration?" (US Rep. Bill Clay, attacking GOP welfare proposals.)

- "Just like under Hitler . . ." (US Rep. Charles Rangel, describing a House Ways and Means Committee vote that closed a tax loophole.)

- "Republican storm troopers." (Mario Cuomo.)How the right is demonized (http://www.boston.com/news/globe/editorial_opinion/oped/articles/1995/12/21/how_the_right_is_demonized/)

Compare your political opponents to Nazis? No problem -- if you're a liberal. In 1997:

- Michael Greene, president of the National Academy of Recording Arts and Sciences, invoked Auschwitz in denouncing warning labels on violent or obscene records. They "would one day serve," he wrote, "as a tattooed number on the forearm of the artistic community."

- TV and movie director Michael Moore ("Roger and Me," "TV Nation") urged liberals to read The Wall Street Journal, a paper put out by "the enemy . . . every day to tell you what they are up to. That's incredible. Imagine the Nazis doing that every day, sending out a sheet that says, `Here's what we're up to.' "

- Christopher Edley, a law professor at Harvard and a Clinton adviser, pronounced Abigail and Stephan Thernstrom guilty of "a crime against humanity" -- like the Nuremberg defendants? -- for having published "American in Black and White," an important new book that is skeptical of racial quotas and preferences.

- Tim Fleck, a Houston Press columnist, warned readers that Gary Polland, the conservative Republican chairman of Harris County, Texas, had probably been "reading too much `Mein Kampf' for his own good." Why the Hitler comparison? Because Polland had rated candidates for local office based on their answers to a questionnaire. Fleck's piece was titled, "Look Out for the GOPstapo!"More hate speech from the left (http://www.boston.com/news/globe/editorial_opinion/oped/articles/1997/12/30/more_hate_speech_from_the_left/)

Granted, it's not nice to use the A-word. But it's not nearly as vile as comparing your political opponents to acolytes of Adolf Hitler. Yet liberals routinely liken Republicans and conservatives to mass-murdering totalitarians, and no one objects.

The platform of the Texas Republican Party, Bill Clinton sneered in June, "was so bad that you could get rid of every fascist tract in your library if you just had a copy" of it. Joe Gellar, the Democratic Party chairman in Miami-Dade County, fumed that out-of-town Republicans protesting the ballot recounts were engaging in "brownshirt tactics."

And for those too dense to grasp the point - conservatives are the moral equals of the men who ran Auschwitz - filmmaker Michael Moore spelled it out.

"There are tens of thousands of people who lived through [the Holocaust], escaped the ovens, and are now living out their final years in South Florida," he wrote in demanding a new vote in Palm Beach County. "Sixty-two years ago tonight, the . . . German government sent goon squads throughout the country to trash and burn the homes, stores, and temples of its Jewish citizens. Seven years and six million slaughtered lives later, the Jewish people of Europe were virtually extinct. A few survived. I will not allow those who survived to . . . be abused again."Slander is just fine when the left does it (http://www.boston.com/news/globe/editorial_opinion/oped/articles/2000/12/28/slander_is_just_fine_when_the_left_does_it/)

When a conservative oversteps the bounds of decency in condemning a liberal, he typically gets scorched by criticism, much of it from the right. But there was no scorching of:

Chris Matthews, who likened Republicans quoting John F. Kennedy on taxes to "the Nazi Party quoting Kennedy saying, `Ich bin ein Berliner'?"

Al Sharpton, who said during the postelection ballot fight in Florida that conservatives want to "do the same thing to us" that "Hitler in his wickedness and evil" did to the Jews.Smears, slanders from the left (http://www.boston.com/news/globe/editorial_opinion/oped/articles/2001/12/30/smears_slanders_from_the_left/)

Olbermann, the MSNBC commentator, announced in August that Starr made him think of Heinrich Himmler, who ran the Gestapo for Hitler. In February, Larry King compared him to Nazis. In October, Vanessa Redgrave also compared him to Nazis.

Indeed, it sometimes seems as if liberals can't look at a conservative or a Republican without seeing the SS. The GOP decision to block a vote on censuring Clinton, US Representative Tom Lantos of California snarled, is something one would expect "in Hitler's parliament." When New York Mayor Rudy Giuliani displeased an artists' association, it publicly depicted him with a Hitler moustache.The liberal double standard in reacting to 'hate' speech (http://www.boston.com/news/globe/editorial_opinion/oped/articles/1998/12/31/the_liberal_double_standard_in_reacting_to_hate_sp eech/)

"Bobby Ehrlich is a nazi. . . . he should be running in Germany in 1942, not Maryland in 2002. We'll define him as the nazi he is. Once we do that, i think people will vote for Kathleen Kennedy Townsend."

Thus spake Democratic political consultant Julius Henson about congressman Robert Ehrlich, the Republican candidate in Maryland's gubernatorial election this year. Henson had just signed on to work for Townsend, Ehrlich's Democratic opponent, and made his repugnant remarks in an interview with The Washington Post.

[snip]

And no prominent liberal blasted Gerardo Villacres, the head of the Hispanic American Chamber of Commerce, when he likened California businessman Ron Unz to a Nazi for financing ballot campaigns to end bilingual education.

Sliming conservatives as Nazis often seems to be the first refuge of liberal hate-talkers. Do they really not understand the terrible malignancy of that term?

Sandra Bernhard, the actress and alleged comedienne, was asked during an online Washington Post chat for her thoughts on terrorism. "The real terrorist threats," she replied, "are George W. Bush and his band of brown-shirted thugs." (The Nazi stormtroopers were known as brownshirts.) Miami minister and radio host Victor Curry castigated the Bush administration over the air for its "neo-Nazi, right wing mission against the American people." In a magazine interview, Sean Penn likened Bill O'Reilly, the popular Fox News personality, to Osama bin Laden, Senator Joseph McCarthy, and - of course - Adolf Hitler.The double standard on political hate speech (http://www.boston.com/news/globe/editorial_opinion/oped/articles/2002/12/29/the_double_standard_on_political_hate_speech/)

The Nazi Parallels

We have previously compared the "theories" coming out of the lawyers in this Administration, to those used to justify Adolf Hitler's war crimes during World War II. In the article "Bush and Hitler: What the 'Torture Memos' Reveal," and an accompanying editorial, both in the July 2, 2004 EIR, we identified the parallels between the arguments put forward in the Bush Administration "torture memos," and the notorious "Commissar Order" issued on the eve of Nazi German invasion of the Soviet Union. Based on the notion that Germany was fighting a new kind of enemy, requiring new methods, and that Russia had not participated in the Hague Convention, and therefore had no rights under it, the Commissar Order gave virtual immunity to German soldiers for war crimes committed against the "barbaric" Russian enemy. Hitler also demanded that his officers rid themselves of "obsolete ideologies."Alberto Gonzales: Bush's 'Nazi Lawyer' (http://www.larouchepub.com/other/2005/3201gonzales.html)

What is a "Bush NAZI"? Well, it a person who ridicules other people who don't like Bush and calls them "unpatriotic" or "disloyal".

Adolf Hitler strongly believed in patriotism and loyalty to ones country. They waved flags and chanted "Gott Speichern Deutschland!" (God Save Germany!), but now in the United States people wave American flags and shout "God Save America". There's even a song by that name.

So imagine it if you can, or remember it if its happened to you. You're talking to what you think is a perfectly nice american, when suddenly the topic of George W. Bush comes up. And the Bush NAZI starts making fun of people who are anti-Bush.

What did the NAZIs do to people who didn't support Hitler? Well, they made fun of them. Some of them even attacked people who were anti-Hitler. Eventually the anti-Hitler people became more quiet, out of fear, or simply left Germany, out of fear.The Rise of Bush NAZI-ism (http://www.lilithgallery.com/articles/bushitler.html)

A quick note, first, about what counts as a "Bush = Hitler" allusion for these purposes. Obviously, someone saying "that George Bush guy is just like Hitler" counts. So does the ever-so-creative addition of a little Hitler-style mustache onto photographs or cartoons. So too does someone starting out "George Bush isn't like Hitler..." and then continuing "...but given X and Y and Z you can understand why some people are saying he is". So too does someone starting out "George Bush isn't like Hitler..." and then continuing with flattery of Hitler "...because Hitler was elected / didn't drink / actually served his time in the army". Implying that the Nazis were behaving better than the US certainly counts, such as "Not even the Nazis treated their prisoners this badly". Oh, and comparisons between September 11th and the Reichstag fire count as well.

Put simply, it's my page and it goes in if I think it counts. Every effort will be made to provide a link to the source, along with quotes and context so you can make up your own mind.

Harold Pinter (British playright)

Quoted in the Guardian, June 2003: "The US is really beyond reason now. It is beyond our imagining to know what they are going to do next and what they are prepared to do. There is only one comparison: Nazi Germany"

Corin Redgrave

In the Mail, Corin Redgrave incorrectly asks "Even the Nazis allowed the Red Cross to visit their prisoners : why won't America?" Millions of Russian prisoners taken by the Nazis on the Eastern front might have been surprised to hear that.

Ted Rall (cartoonist and writer)

In January, 2004, asking "Is Bush a Nazi?" seems the conclude that Bush is worse because at least Hitler was elected:Lately we're being told that it's either (a) inappropriate or (b) untrue to refer to Bush's illegitimate junta as Nazi, neo-Nazi or neofascist. Because, you know, you're not necessarily a Nazi just because you seize power like one, take advantage of a national Reichstag Fire-like tragedy like one, build concentration and death camps like one, start unprovoked wars like one, Red-bait your liberal opponents like one or create a national security apparatus that behaves like something a Nazi would create and even has a Nazi-sounding name. All of those people who see a little Adolf in the not-so-bright eyes of America's homeland-grown despot are just imagining things.

Me, I'm catching it for this week's cartoon for daring to suggest that, well--you know.

Of course, there are differences. Hitler, for example, was legally elected. And he had a plan--not one that I like, but a plan--for the period after the war.

I'll be happy to stop comparing Bush to Hitler when he stops acting like him.The Gallery of "Bush = Hitler" Allusions (http://semiskimmed.net/bushhitler.html)

TPCN received this apparently un-titled article as part of a group e-mail. The only information provided by the person who sent it to the group was that it had been "posted on AOL" and they had "checked the references"---which leaves it unclear whether the references support the article or merely exist. As the article at least 'rings true', I haven't bothered to check them.

Portions have been re-written for this web page (the content remains un-altered) and the sidebar material (bordered in blue) has been added. The original, un-altered article is also posted at the end of this page.

William WilgusSimilarities Among Bush, Hitler, Stalin and the GOP (http://www.thepubliccause.net/Articles/BushHitlerStalinGOP.html)

In the September 1, 2003, issue of National Review, Byron York chronicles (read the piece here) some of the Bushphobia. He writes,A staple of Bush-hating is the portrayal of the president as a Nazi. That has, of course, been a prominent part of other attacks against other presidents, but today it seems to be deployed with particular aggressiveness against Bush. There are thousands of references, across the vastness of the Internet, linking Bush to Adolf Hitler and the Third Reich. Do you want to buy a T-shirt with a swastika replacing the "s" in Bush? No problem. Do you want to collect images of Bush in a German army uniform, with a Hitler mustache Photoshopped onto his face? That's easy. Do you want to find pictures of Dick Cheney and Tom Ridge and Ari Fleischer dressed as Bush's Nazi henchmen? That's easy, too.As York observes, It's not just the intellectual poltroons of the Internet who feign bravery by loudly saying what is patently stupid so that people a fraction dumber than them might mistake it for boldness and conviction. It's not just the masses of undifferentiated cattle who sport their Hitlerfied George Bush T-shirts and who chant slogans with a verve more truly reminiscent of Nuremberg than anything ever uttered by George Bush.

Indeed, "smart" people mouth this nonsense too. Scholars at Berkeley insist that George Bush shares a psychological profile with Hitler. An editorial writer for the Kansas City Star invokes Martin Niemoller's "First they came for the Jews…" mantra to decry the alleged excesses of the Patriot Act. Various Muslim activists are constantly suggesting that they are the Jews of the Nazified America. Almost everyday I get dozens of e-mails from seemingly intelligent liberals - and a few conservatives - who insist that I "can't deny it" anymore - it's 1933 Germany in America. Retired Princeton University professor Sheldon Wolin writes of the "inverted totalitarianism" of the Republican party - "a fervently doctrinal party, zealous, ruthless, antidemocratic, and boasting a near majority" - as a stand-in for a Nazi party which doesn't need to use "totalitarian thugs" to attain power. He writes:No doubt these remarks will be dismissed by some as alarmist, but I want to go further and name the emergent political system "inverted totalitarianism." By inverted I mean that while the current system and its operatives share with Nazism the aspiration toward unlimited power and aggressive expansionism, their methods and actions seem upside down. For example, in Weimar Germany, before the Nazis took power, the "streets" were dominated by totalitarian-oriented gangs of toughs, and whatever there was of democracy was confined to the government. In the United States, however, it is the streets where democracy is most alive - while the real danger lies with an increasingly unbridled government.You may think that's brilliant stuff and that Wolin is a savant. As for me, I'm simply reminded of Walter Bagehot's observation that "In the faculty of writing nonsense, stupidity is no match for genius.""Bush=Hitler" - The politics of dangerous stupidity. (http://www.nationalreview.com/script/printpage.p?ref=/goldberg/goldberg090403.asp)

[DoctorDoom]

Liberal Civililty Part 3


"It's not 'spic' or 'nigger' anymore. They say, 'Let's cut taxes.' "
-- Charles Rangel

"A lot of people are afraid of you. . . . Worse, you're an intolerant bigot."
-- Sam Donaldson to Newt Gingrich

"The most hideous schemes are being put forth now in the name of conservatism. If this were Germany, we would call it fascism. If this were South Africa, we would call it racism. Here we call it conservatism... The Christian Coalition was a strong force in Germany. It laid down a suitable, scientific, theological rationale for the tragedy in Germany. The Christian Coalition was very much in evidence there..."
-- Jesse "Hymietown" Jackson

"I hope his wife feeds him lots of eggs and butter and he dies early like many black men do of heart disease.. . . He's an absolutely reprehensible person."
-- Julianne Malveaux, Pacifica Radio talk show host, on Supreme Court Justice Clarence Thomas

"What's the difference between the Contract With America and the contract with the devil? Well, the devil's contract still provides for our seniors and our children."
-- Rep. Mike Ward (D-KY)

"Would it really be a bad idea if Rush Limbaugh got cancer of the mouth?"
-- Men's Fitness, May 1995, p20, article on cigar smoking

"I'll be watching, hoping someone shoots him. It would no doubt be a thrill."
-- Abraham Polonsky, blacklisted for his Communist sympathies in the 1950s, re Elia Kazan's Lifetime Achievement award

"Conservative legal interest groups, such as the Center for Individual Rights and the Southeastern Legal Foundation (which oppose racial preferences and quotas) are . . . a homogenized version of the Klan. They may have traded in their sheets for suits . . . but it's the same old racism."
-- Atlanta Mayor Bill Campbell

"That herd of managers from the House, I mean, frankly all they were missing was white sheets. They're like night riders."
-- Eleanor Clift, Newsweek, re impeachment proceedings again BJ Billy

"Kenneth Starr is cunning, ruthless, and about as well-mannered as Heinrich Himmler."
-- LA Times editorial

"Whenever I hear Trent Lott speak, I immediately think of nooses decorating trees. Big trees, with black bodies swinging."
-- Los Angeles Times, Karen Grigsby Bates


Re Ann Coulter, Thor Hesla, Asshole Extraordinaire, launched a diatribe in Salon (http://archive.salon.com/media/feature/1999/06/25/coulter/print.html) in 1999 that was the quintessence of hatred. Among his "Ten modest proposals to help Ann Coulter get a date":

1) Quit injecting yourself with your own urine. I don't mean to be presumptuous, but the rumor is that George Balanchine used to put so much pressure on his corps d' ballet to remain razor-thin that some of them injected themselves with their own urine to keep the pounds off. You look like you're doing this also.

[snip]

5) Stop being a mean bitch.

One of the things you hate about Washington is that complete strangers on the Metro ask you for your sports page. Ann, I frequently have out-of-town guests visit me in D.C. Because, as you have already established, I have to watch a lot of TV to see what's going on in your neck of the woods, I often send these gentle strangers out onto the Metro alone. When I do, I pray, literally, that they won't run into pompous, intolerant, judgmental, high-strung, anorexic clothes-horses like yourself if they should happen to get lost, require assistance, or even, God forfend, reach out across the aching void that divides us all and inquire if you're finished with that section of the paper, ma'am?

[snip]

8) Buy a vibrator.

In addition to all your other problems, I think you need to rack up some quick orgasms. There's one called "the Rabbit" which I hear gets you going from several different angles at once, if you know what I mean. It was featured in a recent episode of "Sex in the City."

Once you've cleared your system of all the toxins that back up when you stop getting off, you should immediately ...

9) Get your head out of your ass.

Another of your complaints about D.C. is that the cabs don't have meters. Are you really simple? The zone system in D.C. is mandated by Congress (here's that white thing again) so that they can ride to and from Capitol Hill as inexpensively as possible.

Returning to the snippets...

"Rush Limbaugh is a Big, Fat Idiot and other Observations."
-- Al Franken book title

"A lot of the blood of America's race war victims will be on the hands and bloated bodies of Rush Limbaugh and Howard Stern."
-- Columnist Carl Rowan

"The evaporation of 4 million who believe in this crap would leave the world a better place."
-- Andre Codrescu, NPR, re Christian fundamentalists

But nobody drew more savage abuse in 1996 than black conservatives -- usually at the hands of black liberals. Ward Connerly, chairman of California's Proposition 209 campaign to abolish race and gender quotas in state government, was routinely called an "Uncle Tom" and a "traitor" by the defenders of quotas. "He's married to a white woman," hissed state Sen. Diane Watson of Los Angeles. "He wants to be white." The Oakland Tribune depicted him in a cartoon as the proprietor of "Connerly & Co./ Ethnic Cleansers" -- with a Klansman's robe hanging in the window.

Supreme Court Justice Clarence Thomas again found himself on the receiving end of sickening hate speech. On the cover of its November issue, Emerge, a liberal black magazine, portrayed "Uncle Thomas" as a "Lawn Jockey for the Far Right." Inside, a grinning Thomas crouched at Justice Antonin Scalia's feet, shining his shoes.

And then there was the six-page memo that US Rep. William Clay, a black Missouri Democrat, published about Rep. Gary Franks, a black Republican from Connecticut. Franks is "a Negro Dr. Kevorkian," Clay spewed, "who gleefully assists in suicidal conduct to destroy his own race." Clay bashed his colleague's "foot-shuffling, head-scratching 'Amos and Andy' brand of 'Uncle Tom-ism,' " calling him a "gun for hire willing to assassinate . . . blacks." Like all "barbarous" black conservatives, he snarled, Franks wants "to maim and kill other blacks for the gratification and entertainment of . . . white racists."Another year of hate speech from the left (http://www.boston.com/news/globe/editorial_opinion/oped/articles/1996/12/31/another_year_of_hate_speech_from_the_left/)

"I think he ought to be worried about what's going on in the Good Lord's mind, because if there is retributive justice, he'll get AIDS from a transfusion, or one of his grandchildren will."
-- Nina Totenberg re Sen. Jesse Helms

"What you have now is people that are closet racists, misogynists, homophobes, and people who love . . . the politics of exclusion identifying as conservative."
-- Janeane Garofalo re GOP

"It is in fact a conspiracy of the 43d Reich."
-- Garofalo re the PATRIOT Act

The president "is not the orator that Hitler was. But comparisons of the Bush administration's fearmongering tactics to those practiced so successfully and with such terrible results by Hitler and Goebbels . . . are not at all out of line."
-- Dave Lindorff at Counterpunch.org

"Hitler had a minister of propaganda that said tell a lie, tell a big lie. . . . Republicans are telling the biggest lie in the world. . . . What's next, castration? Sterilization?"
-- Rep. Bill Clay, attacking GOP welfare proposals

"Republican storm troopers."
-- Mario Cuomo

" 'Apollo 13' . . . celebrates the paradisiacal America invoked by Ronald Reagan and Pat Buchanan -- an America where men were men, women were subservient and people of color kept out of the damn way."
-- John Powers, reviewing the movie "Apollo 13" in the Washington Post

Two months ago, as Houston voters were considering a proposal to end racial preferences, opponents of the measure aired a radio spot. It began with the familiar cadences of Martin Luther King's "I Have a Dream" speech. Then a gunshot sounded. Sirens wailed. And the narrator spoke: "Just when our community starts to move ahead, some people try to turn back the clock. Sometimes they do it with bullets. Sometimes they do it with laws."

Clear enough? If you favor colorblind laws, you are no better than Dr. King's murderer.

If a conservative group aired a radio spot likening its liberal foes to Lee Harvey Oswald, it would be inundated, and rightly, by a wave of denunciation from sea to shining sea. But when liberals spew such venom on conservatives, comparing them to assassins, fascists, and mass murderers, there is barely a trickle of indignation.More hate speech from the left (http://www.boston.com/news/globe/editorial_opinion/oped/articles/1997/12/30/more_hate_speech_from_the_left/)

You're watching "The O'Reilly Factor," FOX News Channel's popular interview show. The host is commenting acidly on the presidential campaign. To illustrate a point, he airs some video of Al Gore addressing the Democratic convention in Los Angeles. And as you watch, amazed, the words "snipers wanted" appear on the screen as Gore speaks.

It never happened, of course. But imagine the reaction if it had.

If O'Reilly ever pulled such a stunt, he would be pilloried from coast to coast. Editorials would sear him for joking about murder. Democrats would blast the "sick right-wing mentality" that thinks killing the vice president is humorous. Talk shows would seethe. The Federal Communications Commission would investigate. And Fox News, flooded with petitions demanding O'Reilly's head, would be forced to take him off the air.

That's the script, more or less, when well-known conservatives aim vicious insults and hateful slurs at liberals. But when the venom moves in the other direction - when it's a conservative getting smeared - the indignation meter barely flutters.

Which is why there was no explosion over "Snipers Wanted."

The truth is, it did happen - but not on Fox News and not with an image of Al Gore. It was Craig Kilborn, host of CBS's "Late Late Show," who put out the call for snipers while showing footage of George W. Bush at the GOP convention. Eventually, CBS apologized, mumbling something about the joke being "inappropriate and regrettable" - and that was the end of it. No seething, no petitions, nobody taken off the air.Slander is just fine when the left does it (http://www.boston.com/news/globe/editorial_opinion/oped/articles/2000/12/28/slander_is_just_fine_when_the_left_does_it/)

"But if you look closely at that map you see a more complex picture. You see the state where James Byrd was lynched-dragged behind a pickup truck until his body came apart - it's red. You see the state where Matthew Shepard was crucified . . . for the crime of being gay - it's red. You see the state where right-wing extremists blew up a federal office building and murdered scores of federal employees: red. The state where an Army private thought to be gay was bludgeoned to death with a baseball bat . . . and the state where Bob Jones University spews its anti-Catholic bigotry: they're all red, too."
-- Paul Begala, MSNBC.com, re the red-blue map of states for Bush and Gore

(Selecting Ashcroft resembled) "the way Ku Klux Klan members worked to improve race relations: They, too, reached out to blacks with nooses and burning crosses."
-- Rep. William Clay of Missouri re George W. Bush's talk of outreach to black Americans

Bush dredged John Ashcroft "from the Taliban wing of American politics."
-- Julian Bond

(While Afghanistan) "has been protecting Osama bin Laden, Italy has been harboring another omnipotent religious zealot, one who equally condemns us Western sinners and incites violence. . . . Meet John Paul II, Christian fundamentalist extraordinaire and a man who inspires thugs across the globe. . ."
-- Michelangelo Signorile, well-known queer author

The worst political slur of 1998, to judge by the media attention it drew, was uttered by Al D'Amato, New York's Republican senator. In a private meeting with supporters during his reelection campaign last fall, D'Amato called his Democratic opponent, Representative Charles Schumer, a "putzhead."

Now, it is not nice to call people "putzhead," and I wasn't sorry to see D'Amato spanked for his boorish language. But it is also not nice to call people white-sheeted racists, yet so far as I know, none of my media brethren spanked Illinois Senator Carol Moseley-Braun when she implied that George Will, the noted commentator, belonged to the Klan.

"I think because he could not say 'nigger,' he said the word 'corrupt,' " Moseley-Braun offered by way of rebutting Will's columns about her many ethical lapses. "George Will can just take his hood and go back to wherever he came from." (In fact, Will hadn't said the word "corrupt.")

Why did Moseley-Braun's vile slander get a pass while D'Amato's crudity became a national story? Because in one case, a liberal insulted a conservative, while in the other, a liberal was insulted by a conservative. I devote a column each December to illustrating the pervasive double standard by which liberals are permitted to say vicious things about conservatives -- things that would get a conservative beheaded by sundown if he said it about a liberal.The liberal double standard in reacting to 'hate' speech (http://www.boston.com/news/globe/editorial_opinion/oped/articles/1998/12/31/the_liberal_double_standard_in_reacting_to_hate_sp eech/)

"Don't you believe that they don't want to dismantle the Social Security system. They are afraid to come out from under their hoods and attack us directly."
Charles Rangel re GOP


Conan O'Brien: "Before we leave, I gotta ask you. It's no secret that you are very political. You are a very political person. It's no secret that you have actually had some associations with the Clintons. That you're a liberal man and I thought you know today, this is a historic day and you're one of the most politically active actors out there. What do you think?"

Baldwin: "I was in Africa. I go to Africa. I mean ladies and gentlemen I am in Africa. For three months I am in the bush and I come back. I come back here and I come back to what? I mean what is happening right now as we speak? Right now the Judiciary Committee, the President has an approval rating of 68 percent. The President is very popular and things are going pretty good and they are voting to impeach the President. They voted on one article of impeachment already. And I come back from Africa to stained dresses and cigars and this and impeachment. I am thinking to myself in other countries they are laughing at us twenty four hours a day and I'm thinking to myself if we were in other countries, we would all right now, all of us together, [starts to shout] all of us together would go down to Washington and we would stone Henry Hyde to death! We would stone him to death! [crowd cheers] Wait! Shut up! Shut up! No shut up! I'm not finished. We would stone Henry Hyde to death and we would go to their homes and we'd kill their wives and their children. We would kill their families. [stands up screaming] What is happening in this country? What is happening? UGHHH UGHHH!!!!"
-- Alec Baldwin on Conan O'Brien show, 12/11/1998

"Bobby Ehrlich is a nazi. . . . he should be running in Germany in 1942, not Maryland in 2002. We'll define him as the nazi he is. Once we do that, i think people will vote for Kathleen Kennedy Townsend."
-- Political consultant Julius Henson about congressman Robert Ehrlich, 2002 Maryland gov race

"The real terrorist threats are George W. Bush and his band of brown-shirted thugs."
-- Sandra Bernhard, actress and "comedienne"


An on and on it goes. And the libeRATs have the balls to whine about Ann Coulter. Jeez!

[Borgia]

Borgia, you have the usual annoying liberal habit of styling mistakes "lies." Coulter does her own research, and does it using Lexis/Nexis. Compare her to any -- and I mean any -- of her counterparts on the Left, and she's clean as a hound's tooth. So you've found three bona fide mistakes Coulter made in Slander. Compare that to the scores of mistakes found in Fahrenheit 911. Or Al Franken's picayune "Gotcha!" when he finds a misspelled word, and the errors HE made in HIS book. I think Franken's actually were errors, but Moore's were plain old lies.

So Coulter's errors are not errors but mistakes? OK. When she said the New York Times ignored Earnhardt's death yet they had a story on hte FRONT PAGE, that betrays a real lack of research on he rpart, wouldn't you think? Sure, she uses LExis-Nexis but cleary does not know how to use it.

I listed three mistakes. Want me to continue?

1. Her Conn driver's license lists a different year of birth ('61) than her D.C. ('63) driver's license. Ann claims that the D.C license is correct yet that would mean according to the Connecticiut Registrar's Office, Ann registered to vote when she was only 16. That would be voter fraud.

2. From page 68 of slander Coulter claims Newsweek chief Evan Thomas is the son of Norman Thomas a four time socialist candidate for President. In actuality Norman Thomas ran 6 times and was not Evan Thomas' father as Coulter's "research" alleges.

3. She lied about what Frank Rich said when she claimed that Rish demanded that Ashcroft stop monkeying around with Muslim terrorists and concentrate on anti-abortion extremists. Rich said nothing of the sort. He said, during the height of the anthrax scare, that Ashcroft should meet with Planned Parenthood since they had years of experience with domestic terrorism in the form of bombings and sniper attacks. Nowhere does Rich exhort Ashcroft to ignore Muslim terrorists and his piece does not even use the word.

3. On page 118 of Slander, Coulter writes that when the media consortium study on the 2000 Florida vote was reelased it showed "that Bush had won on any count". She cites a WAshington Post story about it. But she ignored the headline of the article which said, "Study Finds Gore Might Have Won Statewide Tally of All Uncounted Ballots"

4. She used a NYT review of a book concerning a 400 annual play performed in Bavaria that portrays Jews as hateful and evil and somehow extrapolates a book review into saying that the New York Times allowed loose associations between Nazis and Christians to be made in its pages.

5. She criticized Jeffords for graduating from Yale and implied he got in due to his family. Then turns around later and praises Bush for graduating from Yale - no mention of family of course.

I can go on and on. Coulter may not be lying in each and every case but it does display some VERY shoddy research on her part. And if her research method is typically this faulty, why trust anything she says at this point?


Matter of fact, she changed my opinion of Joe McCarthy. So yes, she has made me think and change my opinion.

I stand corrected in this one instance.

[Foquet]

Such braggarts.

You think I took yours in a serious vein? Wake up and smell the Hillary transsexual odor...

<shakes head>

All right, so there is no need for me to take your requests seriously in the future. Fair enough.

[Borgia]

Such braggarts.

You think I took yours in a serious vein? Wake up and smell the Hillary transsexual odor...

<SHAKES head>

Yes, I can see the scholarly contribution you make to this group.

[Borgia]

Doom:

I try to live my life with MY set of ethics and behavior. Are you saying it is all relative and if the guy next to you starts screaming obscenities that gives you license to do the same?

I never said that there were not people on the left that prevaricate or insult.

Is your pont that Coulter's extreme rhetoric is excused because of Jackson's extreme rhetoric?

[Foquet]

Is your pont that Coulter's extreme rhetoric is excused because of Jackson's extreme rhetoric?

Michael or Jesse? (you tell me, Mr. Brain)

[Maggie_T]

I never said that there were not people on the left that prevaricate or insult.



Good. You practically answered your question to me.

I know, I know. You want the date, hour, minutes, room temperature, humidity percentage of the time Alan Colmes lied, as well as the number of words uttered by him.

Well, seeing as how you're so good at getting data, I suggest you do your own homework.

And now, I suppose you're going to go on the oh-so predictable tirade about how I don't want to answer because I don't have the answer, so I don't give you the answer, "You can't answer," blah, blah, blah.

Please yourself, mate.

[DoctorDoom]

I try to live my life with MY set of ethics and behavior. Are you saying it is all relative and if the guy next to you starts screaming obscenities that gives you license to do the same?Borgtroll, you cannot possibly be that dense. You are complaining about Ann Coulter not being civil. In three long posts I listed a schitteload of evidence that libeRATs are the most uncivil sons of bitches on the planet. And if I cared to go through my files I could fill another dozen equally long posts.

So we have ONE person who dares to irritate liberals and she is the quintessence of evil. Sheesh. :rolleyes:

I never said that there were not people on the left that prevaricate or insult.But you are pissing and moaning and whining about ONE person on our side who annoys liberalosers. Leftists lie and insult because lies and iinsults are their native language.

Is your pont that Coulter's extreme rhetoric is excused because of Jackson's extreme rhetoric?No, my point is that your side's hypocrisy is earth-skaking. If you want to play the moral equivalence card, then you will provide me three long posts citing dozens of high-profile conservatives spewing equivalent vileness and hatred about libeRATs.

Phuque the liberals and the Demopukes! They cannot be reasoned with, they cannot be compromised with, and they cannot be tolerated. They need their throats ripped out by blood-lusting GOP attack dogs. Ann is one of the few that realize that fact.

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I see no f**king comparison between treasonous assholes telling our GIs to murder their officers and equating Pres. Bush to Hitler, and Ann Coulter's alleged incivility (definition: she refuses to liplock on liberal asses).

And the fact that Ann is such a success is all the proof one needs that she's saying what a great number of conservatives want to hear. If you don't like what she says, don't listen to her or read her columns. She's my kinda gal.

[Foquet]

Doc,

I would add one thing to these pornographic Dem pix.

At least we GOPer's do not get sexually at same pix. (Or get wood when protesting a GI's funeral) For the Terrorist Left, that is their MO.

[Borgia]

I know, I know. You want the date, hour, minutes, room temperature, humidity percentage of the time Alan Colmes lied, as well as the number of words uttered by him.

Well, seeing as how you're so good at getting data, I suggest you do your own homework.

And now, I suppose you're going to go on the oh-so predictable tirade about how I don't want to answer because I don't have the answer, so I don't give you the answer, "You can't answer," blah, blah, blah.

Please yourself, mate.

You made the claim about Colmes, it is your responsibility to provide the evidence. If you choose not to, that is fine, but I can't take your claim seriously unless you do.

[Foquet]

Breathe..slowly..than you shall bring forth Howard Dean..or least where his latest latex glove was.

[Borgia]

But you are pissing and moaning and whining about ONE person on our side who annoys liberalosers. Leftists lie and insult because lies and iinsults are their native language.

You defend Coulter by pointing at others. Sorry, I don't teach my kids that excuse so it does not fly here. And I limited my conversation to Coulter because that is the thread. Shall I also discuss Savage? Or Hannity? I can name and cite myriad rightists talkers that seem to rely in invective more than intelligence.

I do not presume to think that the left is immune either. I will happily shake my finger at those on the left who similarly engage in the sorts of lies that Coulter does.

[Maggie_T]

You made the claim about Colmes, it is your responsibility to provide the evidence. If you choose not to, that is fine, but I can't take your claim seriously unless you do.

Frankly, my dear, I don't give a damn if you take me seriously or not. After a lifetime of dealing with liberals, I know only too well that I should never expect anything even remotely civil from them.

[Naturalized-Texan]

I try to live my life with MY set of ethics and behavior.:hahaha:
Then, how can you possibly be a liberal? The liberals you support are completely devoid of ethics and promote immoral and illegal behavior. Oh, my! Maybe you agree with them. I never thought of that.

[Borgia]

Frankly, my dear, I don't give a damn if you take me seriously or not. After a lifetime of dealing with liberals, I know only too well that I should never expect anything even remotely civil from them.

And yet, interestingly enough, I have been nothing but civil with you and on this board. How do you square that?

[Borgia]

:hahaha:
Then, how can you possibly be a liberal? The liberals you support are completely devoid of ethics and promote immoral and illegal behavior. Oh, my! Maybe you agree with them. I never thought of that.

Look , NT, there are bad apples on both sides. Need I point to Duke Cunningham as recent evidence. Yet you supported conservatives like Cunningham whoa re devoid of ethics and promote illegal behavior. Do you agree with him?

If you have something specific you want me to address, feel free to bring it up. Until then you simply use two logical fallacies to make your case:

1. Ad homineim
2. Guilt by association

I won't judge you by your "association" with Duke Cunningham. To do so would be illogical.

[Rhino]

If you choose not to, that is fine, but I can't take your claim seriously unless you do.LOL!!! When did you ever take us seriously, dude?!? :evilgrin:

[Nutrider99]

Borgtroll, you cannot possibly be that dense. You are complaining about Ann Coulter not being civil. In three long posts I listed a schitteload of evidence that libeRATs are the most uncivil sons of bitches on the planet. And if I cared to go through my files I could fill another dozen equally long posts.
The problem, you see, is that liberals do not think. They are incapable of thought. They feel. They act on emotions. They are intellectually, morally and socially inferior.

Most liberals are amoral. Truth and reality mean nothing to them. What matters to them are their core values: the killing of babies, hatred of capitalism, hatred of Christianity, hatred of America, sympathy toward murderers and terrorists, elitism, hatred of the wealthy, the enslavement of the poor in exchange for the advancement of their own political power, the indoctrination of our youth into moral relativism and the irrelevance of humanity on the planet, the embracing of deviance, and the perpetuation of ignorance. If you see a liberal, chances are you are looking at an idiot. If you talk to a liberal, most likely he is speaking beyond his mental capabilities, and if you attempt to reason with a liberal his eyes glaze over and you can tell he simply cannot comprehend.

Liberals will excuse any evil, condemn any good, betray any friend, embrace any enemy, tell any lie, discredit any truth, violate any law, accuse any innocent, or pervert any historical event if it advances their interests politically. Our mainstream media have become propaganda whores for the democreep party. Americans have been cheated out of enjoying the greatest economy in our history because the lying bastards in the press have told them day after day that the economy is bad and it’s all George Bush’s fault. Bush gets attacked for starving children when he increases the budget by less than the democreeps want, then gets attacked by these same people for signing the budget that Congress has to authorize.

We are at war. President Bush is concentrating on winning the war, but he knows that to get what he wants he has to give libs what they want. Why? Because the Republican Party does not have the BALLS to stand up and say "WE are in charge and THIS is what we WILL do!" The problems do not all rest with the president. He cannot lead an army of mice to do battle with the lions. Day after day libs on are the tube and not ONCE has any Republican stood firm and called them damn liars. Once, just ONCE I’d like to see someone stand up and tell the media that the judicial branch does NOT have authority over the executive branch in matters under the authority of the executive branch of government. Neither does the Congress. The separation of powers is defined by the Constitution, not by any court.

So when people complain about the tone of the discourse in Washington, they should look squarely at the hate merchants in the democreep party. They have hated this president ever since he committed the cardinal sin of revealing that he was a man of faith, and not simply hiding behind the Bible when he was caught betraying his wife or his country. Take aware mindless hatred, and the democreeps have no political platform on which to run.

To paraphrase Rene Descarte, "I think, therefore I am not a liberal."

[DoctorDoom]

You defend Coulter by pointing at others.Wrong. I am pointing out your blazingly flagrant hypocrisy in assailing Ann Coulter for things that are a mere shadow of the day-in-day-out liberal venom and hatred, about which you say not a farking thing except to attempt to spin it to minimize it.

Sorry, I don't teach my kids that excuse so it does not fly here.Do you teach your future liberals that any person who does not grovel obsequiously at liberal feet is a demonic monster, but that it is perfectly okay to equate the president to one of the most evil men who ever lived?

And I limited my conversation to Coulter because that is the thread. Shall I also discuss Savage? Or Hannity? I can name and cite myriad rightists talkers that seem to rely in invective more than intelligence.You will now cite those "myriad rightists talkers". You will now demonstrate that what Coulter, Savage, Hannity et al say is equivalent in vileness, rancor and hatred to the quotes from liberals in my three posts.

If you do not do so, you will demonstrate that you are a liar.

Before you mention it, Savage did make one contemptible statement about queers. He was fired for it. Show us where any sort of discipline was exacted on the liberals that I quoted.

I do not presume to think that the left is immune either. I will happily shake my finger at those on the left who similarly engage in the sorts of lies that Coulter does.Your farking finger will fly off if you shake it at every liberal lie. Liberals and truth are antithetical, mutually exclusive.

You might get your finger exercises started with Michael "Shamu" Mooron's crockumentaries. They are without exception lying elevated to an art form. And since you liberals are inordinately fond of references to Hitler, he had this to say about lying.

All this was inspired by the principle – which is quite true in itself – that in the big lie there is always a certain force of credibility; because the broad masses of a nation are always more easily corrupted in the deeper strata of their emotional nature than consciously or voluntarily; and thus in the primitive simplicity of their minds they more readily fall victims to the big lie than the small lie, since they themselves often tell small lies in little matters but would be ashamed to resort to large-scale falsehoods. It would never come into their heads to fabricate colossal untruths, and they would not believe that others could have the impudence to distort the truth so infamously. Even though the facts which prove this to be so may be brought clearly to their minds, they will still doubt and waver and will continue to think that there may be some other explanation. For the grossly impudent lie always leaves traces behind it, even after it has been nailed down, a fact which is known to all expert liars in this world and to all who conspire together in the art of lying.
-- Adolf Hitler (1889-1945), German dictator. Mein Kampf, vol. 1, ch. 10 (1925)

Liberalism has taken it to heart.

[Riverboat]

. . . I yearn for the days when people of opposite political stripes would talk civilly to each other and engage each other intellectually. Which century are you talking about? The discourse I read nowadays is like listening to Martha Stewart compared to almost any election era in the past.

Novelist Gore Vidal on President Ronald Reagan: “A triumph of the embalmer’s art.”

H.L. Mencken on President Franklin D. Roosevelt: “If he became convinced tomorrow that coming out for cannibalism would get him the votes he surely needs, he would begin fattening a missionary in the White House backyard come Wednesday.”

L.B.J on J.F.K.: "The enviably attractive nephew who sings an Irish ballad for the company and then winsomely disappears before the table clearing and dishwashing begin.”

L.B.J. on Nixon: "I may not know much, but I know chicken shit from chicken salad."

Lane Kirkland (president of AFL/CIO) on Jimmy Carter: "He is your typical smiling, brilliant, back-stabbing, bullshitting southern nut-cutter."

And these are just a few of the more recent ones I googled up. Remember "Ma, Ma, Where's my Pa? Gone to the White House. Ha Ha Ha" about Grover Cleveland?
But has she made you think and change your opinion ever?
Indeed. Like Bre'er Fox, she changed my view of Senator Joseph McCarthy. I'll bet that scares you, huh?

[Borgia]

Indeed. Like Bre'er Fox, she changed my view of Senator Joseph McCarthy. I'll bet that scares you, huh?

Considering her penchant for sloppy and one sided research, I am not so much scared as I am disappointed.

[DoctorDoom]

Borgtroll, guess what? We don't care WHAT the hell your opinion is about Ann Coulter. If you want a bunch of clueless asswipes who will fawn over you for your great perception, try DUh. They "think" like you do.

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[Borgia]

Yes, Doom. You don't like to hear from people who have opinions that differ from yours. That is your choice of course but I enjoy hearing differing opinions.

[terri]

And Molly Ivins and Helen Thomas and the ever-ravishing ...

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Sir,

This is wrong on soooooo many levels. I will never be able to enjoy chicken wings again.

[Popperite]

Borgtroll, you cannot possibly be that dense. You are complaining about Ann Coulter not being civil. In three long posts I listed a schitteload of evidence that libeRATs are the most uncivil sons of bitches on the planet. And if I cared to go through my files I could fill another dozen equally long posts.

Which makes Coulter civil?

[Maggie_T]

And yet, interestingly enough, I have been nothing but civil with you and on this board. How do you square that?

Ever heard of the exception to the rule?

Yes, you have been civil to me, Borgia ... for the time being, at any rate. But you talk as if you were the one and only liberal in the world. You talk as if liberalism started and ended with you. It doesn't. You really are the exception to the rule.

Here, in Maine, liberals are extremely abusive. I should know. I am one of the few conservatives here, not to mention one who enjoys tweaking them. It's so easy. All you have to do is tell them that abortion is the murder of innocent babies, or that keeping guns is guaranteed by the 2nd amendment, or that Hillary is a power-crazed b***, and the reaction is instant: they start yelling at you and calling you names. That's when they can restrain themselves from walking away from the discussion altogether.

I had a discussion with one of my co-workers one day. She started it politely. Then, seeing that she did not convince me, she got gradually incensed. She ended up yelling (and I mean, yelling) "I don't want to discuss this with you! I don't want to discuss this with you!" Mind you, she was losing badly because she was just repeating the usual liberal "bumper sticker" arguments (last term used very loosely), so I can understand why she was unwilling to discuss anything with me. And at that time, I was bombarding her with the kind of back up data you requested from me a while earlier. In fact, I discovered that the more facts you throw on a liberal's lap, the more he/she tends to go foaming-at-the-mouth bonkers. Go figure.

So let me say it for the third time, Borgia. You are the exception to the rule. Therefore, you cannot use yourself as an example of a modern liberal (a.k.a. leftie).

[Maggie_T]

Which makes Coulter civil?

Oh, for crying out loud. :rolleyes:

It doesn't make Ann civil. There. Is that what you wanted to hear?

Why does Ann have to be civil to liberals? Why? Being civil to liberals amounts to the old adagio pearls before swine. A total waste.

Now, I know that some here would prefer to keep a patrician appearance at any cost. "Treat people as you'd like them to treat you," and all that. I disagree. I believe in treating some people as they deserve to be treated. And anyway, no matter how civilly you treat liberals, if you are a conservative, all you're going to get for your trouble is a load of abuse.

Amazing how some people insist on sticking to appearances. From observation, I can safely say that more often than not it is simply as a result of the complete incapacity of coming back with a witty, razor-sharp rejoinder. Which is fine. There is no rule that says one must be witty. But why resent those who have the gift for that sort of thing?

[Popperite]

Oh, for crying out loud. :rolleyes:

It doesn't make Ann civil. There. Is that what you wanted to hear?


Yep!

Why does Ann have to be civil to liberals? Why?

I couldn't care less, frankly.

[Maggie_T]

In that case, I see no point in your posting here.

[DoctorDoom]

Which makes Coulter civil?No, it doesn't. And where is it written that she must be? I'm farking glad that she's not, especially when the other side is almost uniformly vile and uncivilized. Demanding that Ann be "civil" when dealing with liberals is akin to demanding that she walk through sewage wearing ballet slippers.

One of the GOP's major errors is that it tries to be civil with libeRAT vermin. They are deceived that they will be liked if they are civil. They are utterly wrong. Being civil with libeRATs is about as effective as handing Milkbones to rabid dogs.

I defy you to find anything that Ann has ever said that parallels any quote in the three posts by your side. Show me where in her most acid-tongued moment, she said things equivalent to these:

"I hope his wife feeds him lots of eggs and butter and he dies early like many black men do of heart disease.. . . He's an absolutely reprehensible person."
-- Julianne Malveaux, Pacifica Radio talk show host, on Supreme Court Justice Clarence Thomas

"I think he ought to be worried about what's going on in the Good Lord's mind, because if there is retributive justice, he'll get AIDS from a transfusion, or one of his grandchildren will."
-- Nina Totenberg re Sen. Jesse Helms

"I am thinking to myself in other countries they are laughing at us twenty four hours a day and I'm thinking to myself if we were in other countries, we would all right now, all of us together, [starts to shout] all of us together would go down to Washington and we would stone Henry Hyde to death! We would stone him to death! [crowd cheers] Wait! Shut up! Shut up! No shut up! I'm not finished. We would stone Henry Hyde to death and we would go to their homes and we'd kill their wives and their children. We would kill their families."
-- Alec Baldwin on Conan O'Brien show, 12/11/1998

I'll be waiting, lib.

[Maggie_T]

One of the GOP's major errors is that it tries to be civil with libeRAT vermin. They are deceived that they will be liked if they are civil. They are utterly wrong. Being civil with libeRATs is about as effective as handing Milkbones to rabid dogs.



Absolutely.

I'll say it again. I believe in treating some people they way they deserve to be treated. Liberals fall in that category.

[DoctorDoom]

This is what Republicans are trying to be:

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This is what they should be:

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Stuff civility. You don't sweet-talk cockroaches. You exterminate them.

[Borgia]

Ever heard of the exception to the rule?

Yes, you have been civil to me, Borgia ...

Amonsgt my liberal friends, with the exception of one, I have none who seem to get terribly excitable in a debate.

Amongst my conservative freinds, I would say about the same.

I am well aware that I do not exemplify all liberals. I just wonder if your experiences are the norm or not. You also mention you like "tweaking" liberals. Do you wonder how your style of debate comes across to the person in front of you? Perhaps the emotional escalation is not one-sided?

[Maggie_T]

Do you wonder how your style of debate comes across to the person in front of you?

Frankly, my dear, I don't give a damn.

[DoctorDoom]

Sister Mags, your debating style is perfect! Don't ever change. You're worth 10,000 "civil" wusses.

[DoctorDoom]

Do you wonder how your style of debate comes across to the person in front of you?I couldn't care less. I refuse to be civil to brain-damaged liberal assholes. If it were legal, I'd exterminate them as vermin.

[Foquet]

Well Doc,

Liberals are a source of unending laughter to me. (As well as some outrage, but that can also be a lot of where the humor comes from in the first place). So, they need to be kept around for some laughs when things are boring, if nothing else.

I was just watching a couple of classic Foghorn Leghorn toons earlier and the way that Foghorn picks up a piece of fencing and whoops the dog on the ass at the start of a lot of those toons is the way I usually approach most libs.

[Borgia]

Frankly, my dear, I don't give a damn.

LOL! I am beginning to surmise that the liberals you encounter may be incited.

[DoctorDoom]

That's rather like saying that one "incites" killer bees.

[Maggie_T]

Sister Mags, your debating style is perfect! Don't ever change. You're worth 10,000 "civil" wusses.

A compliment from my hero! Thank you. Doc. You made my day. http://fool.exler.ru/sm/rev.gif

[Maggie_T]

LOL! I am beginning to surmise that the liberals you encounter may be incited.

They usually are, Borgia. And it doesn't take much work, either. All I have to tell them is that I am a Christian conservative who votes Republican and watch them go positively rabid.

[JohnSteel]

Don't you just love how far backwards some conservatives will bend over to defend Coulter? How very LIBERALesque of you guys.

[DesertFox]

Generally speaking, we love Ann Coulter on FreeConservatives. You gotta problem with that, JohnSteel?

[DoctorDoom]

Don't you just love how far backwards some conservatives will bend over to defend Coulter? How very LIBERALesque of you guys.The fact that whiny-ass liberalosers have incessant hissy fits over Ann is all the evidence I need to conclude that she is very effective. And the fact that those who endlessly complain about her are stone silent about the tidal wave of lies, venom and hatred from liberals & leftists (posts 51, 53 and 54 in this thread) demonstrates that liberalosers are shameless hypocrites.

I'd suggest that you take your loathing over to DUh, where you will be amongst your peers.

[ldb83]

...incessant hissy fits over Ann is all the evidence I need to conclude that she is very effective.

And I'm sure you'd insist all your bitching and creative new insults about Cindy Sheehan, for example, should NOT lead anyone to conclude that she's effective. The funny thing is, for the amount you whine about Sheehan, she's infinitely less influential (as if that's even the right word) than Coulter.

[DoctorDoom]

How can we miss you if you won't stay away?

BTW, comparing the ever-awesome Ann Coulter to that loathsome, contemptible attention whore, Stinky Shitcan (whom you would no doubt hop into bed with in a trice), is all we need to know about you, kid.

BTW, since you seem to think that your sex object is effective, tell us how that is so.

E.g., Ann's books consistently hit best-seller lists. Shitcan's tome ... well ...

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Amazon.com Sales Rank: #438,821 in Books

And Ann is 10¹⁰ times better looking.

Face it, kid, the Bitch in The Ditch is a LOOOOOOOZER!

[JohnSteel]

Generally speaking, we love Ann Coulter on FreeConservatives. You gotta problem with that, JohnSteel?
You can like her if you want. I'm glad that you guys / gals do, actually. That conservatives in general lover her so much gives me a lot more confidence in my decision to reject conservatism.

[JohnSteel]

The fact that whiny-ass liberalosers have incessant hissy fits over Ann is all the evidence I need to conclude that she is very effective.
Being effective isn't always a good thing.

And the fact that those who endlessly complain about her are stone silent about the tidal wave of lies, venom and hatred from liberals & leftists (posts 51, 53 and 54 in this thread) demonstrates that liberalosers are shameless hypocrites.
So? None of that has anything to do with Coulter's merits. Those posts would be brilliant if they were on topic. However they were nothing more than a liberalesque tactic to deflect criticism on to another target and to attack the poster's charater, rather than continuing to dicuss Ann Coulter. It's pretty ironic too, seeing how Coulter slammed liberals for doing this same thing in her book How To Talk To A Liberal If You must.

[DesertFox]

Yeah, you liberals just can't handle it when somebody throws your own stinking stuff back in your face. That's what you guys hate about the Doc; he does that with flare, and much better than youse do.

[DoctorDoom]

Being effective isn't always a good thing.However, in Ann's case, it most certainly is.

So? None of that has anything to do with Coulter's merits.Her merits are well-established. She needs no defense.

Those posts would be brilliant if they were on topic.They are on topic. Ann is being attacked as uncivil by the same losers who ignore the 24/7 incivility of their political bedfellows.

However they were nothing more than a liberalesque tactic ..."How very LIBERALesque of you guys." "However they were nothing more than a liberalesque tactic ..." Was that your word of the day in English class, boy? Will your teacher give you a stick-on smiley-face for using it?

... to deflect criticism on to another target ...Libs are masters at diversionary tactics, inasmuch as they use them constantly when their own lies, errors and stupidity are exposed.

... and to attack the poster's charater ...Yeah, I surely am naughty for attacking "charater". Color me repentant. :rolleyes:

... rather than continuing to dicuss Ann Coulter.You liberaloonies have been "continuing to dicuss (sic)" (read: spewing your mindless, kneejerk contempt for) Ann for many months in several threads. You have offered nothing constructive. You only attack. And it is beyond tedious.

You loathe Ann because she is a very effective countermeasure to the tsunami of liberal bullshit. You can't stand Ann, Rush, Sean et al because they are powerful voices for conservatism. If you could silence them, you'd do it without a microsecond of hesitation. That's the essence of the liberal perversion of free speech: anyone is free to say anything as long as liberals agree with it.

I wonder what liberal the lady is mentally superimposing on the target.

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