Bush Plans National Guard On Border..

[bannerman]

SOURCES: BUSH PLANS NATIONAL GUARD ON BORDER..

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[Rink]

Riiiiiiiiiight I'm to believe Bush is gonna stop Illegal aliens from entering??

I highly doubt it, I think the National Guard is there to keep US American citizen from doing a job the Fedgov refuses to do..... Close the damn borders.

[Naturalized-Texan]

Bush plans immigration speech as debate heats up (http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20060512/pl_nm/usa_immigration_bush_dc_2)

WASHINGTON (Reuters) -
President George W. Bush will push for a broad overhaul of U.S. immigration laws in a prime-time address on Monday that comes after weeks of nationwide rallies and a revived Senate effort to pass a bill.

The White House announced the Oval office address as a Defense Department official said the
Pentagon was considering options for possibly sending troops or equipment to help with security on the U.S.-Mexican border.

Bush backs a guest-worker program that would let immigrants work temporarily in the United States, which has cost him support among some conservatives. As part of what he calls a comprehensive approach to immigration, he is also pushing measures to tighten border security.

{More at the link above.}

[Naturalized-Texan]

Pentagon exploring ways to use the military for border security (http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/chronicle/3858594.html)

WASHINGTON — Faced with growing pressure from southern states, the Bush administration wants the military to come up with ideas to help solve security problems along the U.S. border with Mexico.

In back-to-back moves this week, the Pentagon began exploring ways to lend support at the southern border, while the House on Thursday voted to allow the Homeland Security Department in limited cases to use soldiers in that region.

At the Pentagon, Paul McHale, the assistant secretary of defense for homeland defense, asked officials to offer options for the use of military resources and troops — particularly the National Guard — along the border with Mexico, according to defense officials familiar with the discussions.

The officials, who requested anonymity because the matter has not been made public, said there were no details yet on a defense strategy.

Thursday's House vote allowed Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld to assign military personnel under certain circumstances to help the Homeland Security Department with border security. The vote was 252-171, and the provision was added to a larger military measure.

{More at the link above.}

[Suzie]

There is no reason to federalize the guard for this, they are going to have to pull people from States where they are already over stretched. They are going to have to pay the Guard anyway why not just hire more border patrol? The States could declare a State of Emergency and use their in State soldiers for this, but making this a Nation wide call up is placing way too much additional duty on an already stressed military branch.

[Suzie]

Riiiiiiiiiight I'm to believe Bush is gonna stop Illegal aliens from entering??

I highly doubt it, I think the National Guard is there to keep US American citizen from doing a job the Fedgov refuses to do..... Close the damn borders.

Guard Members ARE US American Citizens.

[BuckeyeMike]

Bush Plans National Guard on Border..............golllleeeeee...that was fast!
Got them beaners heads a spinnin' I'll bet!

[Rink]

Guard Members ARE US American Citizens.

Wont matter, when it comes down to the wire Orders are orders and they will obey orders.

They obeyed orders when they insituted Desegregation in schools despite a majority of the peoples sentiments.

They will follow orders and suppress the American people HERE.

They are not allowed to get 'sentimental' when it comes to this, they follow orders.

Period.

[Suzie]

Wont matter, when it comes down to the wire Orders are orders and they will obey orders.

They obeyed orders when they insituted Desegregation in schools despite a majority of the peoples sentiments.

They will follow orders and suppress the American people HERE.

They are not allowed to get 'sentimental' when it comes to this, they follow orders.

Period.

What are you a racist? They followed the constitution of the United States and the rights of ALL Americans were upheld by allowing CHILDREN to attend school. When has the Guard EVER suppressed the rights of any American. You are about the most ungrateful little snot now aren't you? You have thousands of Guard Members, civilians ... ready to answer the call whenever it comes and you talk about them this way. You should be ashamed of yourself.

[Rink]

LOL I dont think you understood an inch of my post, the guard will follow orders, and if they are told to put a halt to something they will.

And FYI tell about the 'Rights' of American citizens to those fried and murdered at Waco and Ruby ridge.

as Per Janet Reno's orders.

[Rink]

O one more thing tell those that were shot at kent state about their rights as well.

[Suzie]

That wasn't the Guard that was Wesley Clark's boys at waco. And if you support what was going on at Kent State then you really don't have a clue.

[Wolfcounsel]

"They are not allowed to get 'sentimental' when it comes to this, they follow orders." --Rink

They also are forbidden from carrying out illegal orders, and they had better remember that. Who was it who said that when policemen break the law, then there isn't any law- just a fight for survival? It applies to EVERY public servant.

[Rink]

um they employed the Nat'l guard they employed tanks, and weaponry that came from the military.

Please, understand I do not have anything against the military or the national guard but if they are told to DO something, they WILL do it, they cannot have sentimentality get in the way of things.

My note on the Integration in the 60's is due to the fact that the main sentiment of the day was Against integration of the negro into predominantly white schools so the govenors used the national guard to institute integeration.

The national guard followed orders and did what they were told to do, despite any sentiments they may have had.

With Bush here he has shown himself to be beholden to his mexican masters, and HE is placing the National guard on the borders, and its a surefire bet its NOT to stop the illegals from flooding INTO America but t put a stop to what Mexico deems an 'infringement' of their citizenry's 'right' to invade America.

THAT is what I am insinuating.

UNTILL proven otherwise I dont trust our elected leaders whatsoever to 'do the right thing' when it comes to this miserable ilegal invasion mess.

With the track record the political leaders on both sides of the aisles, I HIGHLY doubt ther National guars is being put there to plug the holes there.

Now FYI it ewas the National Guard that fired on the Kent state protestors, was it right? No was it warranted agains unarmed people? no, it wasnt right.

Irregardless of it and other isolated incidents it still behooves me to belive Bush is gonna plug the sieve that is our borders with the National Guard, when he has shown and acted otherwise.

But by all means continue to 'read' into whatever you want to in my postings, as you wil do so anyhow.

[Naturalized-Texan]

What are you a racist? They followed the constitution of the United States and the rights of ALL Americans were upheld by allowing CHILDREN to attend school. When has the Guard EVER suppressed the rights of any American. You are about the most ungrateful little snot now aren't you? You have thousands of Guard Members, civilians ... ready to answer the call whenever it comes and you talk about them this way. You should be ashamed of yourself.
:claps: :claps: :claps:

[Suzie]

um they employed the Nat'l guard they employed tanks, and weaponry that came from the military.

WRONG: http://www.rickross.com/reference/waco/waco219.html Wesley Clark allowed the FBI to use tanks from Fort Hood.

Please, understand I do not have anything against the military or the national guard but if they are told to DO something, they WILL do it, they cannot have sentimentality get in the way of things.
You don't have a clue. Read the above link.

My note on the Integration in the 60's is due to the fact that the main sentiment of the day was Against integration of the negro into predominantly white schools so the govenors used the national guard to institute integeration.
Well now you are contradicting yourself, do you WANT them to act on sentement or uphold the constitution? Because they do the latter.

The national guard followed orders and did what they were told to do, despite any sentiments they may have had. Yeah, well they upheld the CONSTITUTION. Sorry you find that disturbing but that really says alot about you.

With Bush here he has shown himself to be beholden to his mexican masters, and HE is placing the National guard on the borders, and its a surefire bet its NOT to stop the illegals from flooding INTO America but t put a stop to what Mexico deems an 'infringement' of their citizenry's 'right' to invade America. I am glad you are sitting in on policy meetings now/

THAT is what I am insinuating.

UNTILL proven otherwise I dont trust our elected leaders whatsoever to 'do the right thing' when it comes to this miserable ilegal invasion mess.

With the track record the political leaders on both sides of the aisles, I HIGHLY doubt ther National guars is being put there to plug the holes there.

Now FYI it ewas the National Guard that fired on the Kent state protestors, was it right? No was it warranted agains unarmed people? no, it wasnt right.

Irregardless of it and other isolated incidents it still behooves me to belive Bush is gonna plug the sieve that is our borders with the National Guard, when he has shown and acted otherwise.

But by all means continue to 'read' into whatever you want to in my postings, as you wil do so anyhow.

Well if Kent State is all you have, I can guess there were probably a few ticked off people after seeing our soldiers being spit on by hippies after serving their country and maybe they did the wrong thing then. So nice of you to use that ONE incident against the Guard forever. I am sure the libs who use that one incident in all the years of the guard appreciate you helping that effort.

[Rink]

Please by all means continue to read into my posts whatever you want, your assumptions show you up.

Ft Hood where the FBI took the tanks from were not from the FBI those tanks came from the MILITARY.

The MILITARY could have refused the FBI but they didnt.

But by all means I dunno anything of what I'm talkin bout and you continue to read into my posts what you want.

[Suzie]

The Military wasn't at Waco Rink, the tanks aren't their property they belong to the US Government, if you want to blame anyone for that blame Bill Clinton not the Military just because they use that tank too. That's like saying if someone used your gun to kill someone it's your fault.

[Rink]

LOL OK they werent involved their military equipment wasnt used, they werent there?

Then why were MILITARY Advisors there advising at WACO?

[Suzie]

LOL OK they werent involved their military equipment wasnt used, they werent there?

Then why were MILITARY Advisors there advising at WACO?

http://www.discussionforums.us/forum/images/smile/ktoe.gif Because it VIOLATES THE CONSTITUTION.

And the military wouldn't do it, something you just can't seem to grasp. Even Clinton wasn't dumb enough to think he could get them to do that. I know you REALLY want to believe the military was involved but it just isn't true. Clark is the only willing party in this that I know of and he had another agenda. But if you want to blame the military for a couple of self serving individuals actions I am sure you could do that with a lot of things if it fits into your view that the military is out to get us all. Seems like you are trying real hard to blame the military instead of the "politicians" here, even after you have been told it isn't so you still WANT it to point to them and continue to post a view to imply they were in some capacity, as if one or 2 people somewhere close to waco means the "military" was involved.

[get_involved]

Bush is planning to bait us with the National Guard on the border trick so he and Congress can give amnesty to 20 million illegals......
Unfortunately a lot of Americans will believe him.
People should wonder why he hasn't done anything before. How long has he been in office? How long have we had a illegal immigration crisis? Did the problem just start yesterday? How long is Bushes nose?
Senor Bush is a snake.

[HooverWasRight]

Bush plans immigration speech as debate heats up (http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20060512/pl_nm/usa_immigration_bush_dc_2)

WASHINGTON (Reuters) -
President George W. Bush will push for a broad overhaul of U.S. immigration laws in a prime-time address on Monday that comes after weeks of nationwide rallies and a revived Senate effort to pass a bill.

The White House announced the Oval office address as a Defense Department official said the
Pentagon was considering options for possibly sending troops or equipment to help with security on the U.S.-Mexican border.

Bush backs a guest-worker program that would let immigrants work temporarily in the United States, which has cost him support among some conservatives. As part of what he calls a comprehensive approach to immigration, he is also pushing measures to tighten border security.

{More at the link above.}


Before Bush speaks on the illegals I think he needs to bone up on the subject

crowTrobot

[Incident_command]

O one more thing tell those that were shot at kent state about their rights as well.


To take the side of a bunch of communist terrorist who were destroying a town over that of the men of the guard goes a little far. This wasn't a peaceful demonstration where the Guard just decided to shoot at these poor innocent children as the media has made you believe, it was a planned movement that had roots deep into communist agitators.

They were burning buildings, destroying businesses, and making road blocks to prevent police from entering areas. The ROTC building was one of them.

The head of these student groups were known communist agitators whe threatened local business owners who were not sympathetic to their cause

58 members of the guard were injured prior to the shooting by rocks, bottles, chunks of concrete, and boards with nails in them. Broken bones, jaws, teeth knocked out.

The guard was in retreat when they fired, chased up the hill by the POS's whose side you are taking. This was an all out riot.

[Naturalized-Texan]

Before Bush speaks on the illegals I think he needs to bone up on the subject

crowTrobot
I'm sure he knows a heluva lot more about that subject than you do.

[HooverWasRight]

Bush is planning to bait us with the National Guard on the border trick so he and Congress can give amnesty to 20 million illegals......
Unfortunately a lot of Americans will believe him.
People should wonder why he hasn't done anything before. How long has he been in office? How long have we had a illegal immigration crisis? Did the problem just start yesterday? How long is Bushes nose?
Senor Bush is a snake.


Bush said there were WMD's 45 minutes away and started a war over it....So just how far away is Mexico?

[HooverWasRight]

I'm sure he knows a heluva lot more about that subject than you do.


LOL:licky:

[dPrasse]

Bush said there were WMD's 45 minutes away and started a war over it....So just how far away is Mexico?

depends on whether one is walking or getting a free ride to the US in mexican govt vehicles

[DesertFox]

...or tunneling under the border with a spoon, or crawling toward it thru cactus, or flying over it in that Mach 3 jet.

[HooverWasRight]

depends on whether one is walking or getting a free ride to the US in mexican govt vehicles

I wonder if mexican vehicles are made in japan?

[Incident_command]

The Mexicans are trying to buy Su 27's from russia. Problem is the russian aviation industry is so messed up it can't even fill previous orders.

[dPrasse]

The Mexicans are trying to buy Su 27's from russia.

This serious or a joke ? I hadn't heard this before ....
guess we'd better base some of our Raptors near the border ...

[DesertFox]

I never heard this.

[Incident_command]

I'll find you a link, I read it a few weeks ago.

[Suzie]

To take the side of a bunch of communist terrorist who were destroying a town over that of the men of the guard goes a little far. This wasn't a peaceful demonstration where the Guard just decided to shoot at these poor innocent children as the media has made you believe, it was a planned movement that had roots deep into communist agitators.

They were burning buildings, destroying businesses, and making road blocks to prevent police from entering areas. The ROTC building was one of them.

The head of these student groups were known communist agitators whe threatened local business owners who were not sympathetic to their cause

58 members of the guard were injured prior to the shooting by rocks, bottles, chunks of concrete, and boards with nails in them. Broken bones, jaws, teeth knocked out.

The guard was in retreat when they fired, chased up the hill by the POS's whose side you are taking. This was an all out riot.
It doesn't matter to her IC, she is only looking for the angle that makes them look bad. Sad part is you only scratched the surface of what was going on that day. It had reached the point of self defense for the Guard, and people are too stupid to realize what point it had reach before the Guard even got there. They have cops in that state same as any other, but it had got beyond what any of them could control so they pawned it off on the Guard the way they do everything no one else seems to be able to or wants to handle.

[Incident_command]

Mexico selects Sukhoi Su-27 for strategic surveillance
The Mexican navy has selected Sukhoi’s Su-27 over the Saab/BAE Systems Gripen to equip its first air defence unit.
Head of the service Adm Armando Sánchez Moreno says the new fleet of 10 fighters will enable the navy to carry out “strategic surveillance” over key areas of Mexico’s coastline.


http://www.flightglobal.com/Articles/2006/05/09/Navigation/177/206478/Mexico+selects+Sukhoi+Su-27+for+strategic+surveillance.html


This isn't the article I read, but it pertains. I'll look for it later. Hugo wants some too along with Mig 29's.
Also, while China is building them also I don't think they are allowed to sell them under their agreement.

[dPrasse]

I wonder if mexican vehicles are made in japan?

Naw , they use America's finest ...Cadillac Escalade's and Humvee's packing American machine guns ...

http://www.dailybulletin.com/news/ci_3430815

I can't ID the pickups ... they might be made in Japan ...

http://www.minutemanhq.com/project/photo_images/pic_2005apr03_125.jpg

[Maggie_T]

This thread should be moved to the Immigration forum.

[Suzie]

It can be combined with the other "Lets cast suspicion on the Guard thread." to help spread the rhetoric of "the Guard is coming to hunt down American citizens". That's ALWAYS helpful when they are about to start a new mission. And there is always someone to help spread the fear by making such comments. And yet it's never happened, go figure.

[Naturalized-Texan]

Bush said there were WMD's 45 minutes away and started a war over it.
Of course, you know that that is a bald-faced lie. Neither President Bush nor anyone else ever said any such thing, and you know it.

[HooverWasRight]

just do a google, "bush and wmd's 45 minutes away" and see what you come up with.



...and of course since there were no wmd's it is a bold face lie.

[HooverWasRight]

I see Bush has already assured that 2 bit thug Fox that the troops will only be temporary.

Does the Bush family have oil ties with mexico?

[Nutrider99]

just do a google, "bush and wmd's 45 minutes away" and see what you come up with.
"The document discloses that his military planning allows for some of the WMD to be ready within 45 minutes of an order to use them."
That was Tony Blair, not Bush. Citing the intelligence sources of an ally does not constitute a lie. The fact is, most of the Iraqi commanders were aware of the existence of WMD and the tactics required to use them.

...and of course since there were no wmd's it is a bold face lie.

Anyone who doesn't know that Iraq had WMD is a complete idiot. It was not a bald face lie, but a statement of fact. However, as a stupid lib, you wouldn't know a fact if it raped you..

[Johnnybegood]

At least the President is doing something....

[Rhino]

It can be combined with the other "Lets cast suspicion on the Guard thread." to help spread the rhetoric of "the Guard is coming to hunt down American citizens". That's ALWAYS helpful when they are about to start a new mission. And there is always someone to help spread the fear by making such comments. And yet it's never happened, go figure.I sometimes wonder if some people aren't turning liberal. All this "beware the military" crap is right out of the liberal playbook.

[Wolfcounsel]

"I sometimes wonder if some people aren't turning liberal. All this "beware the military" crap is right out of the liberal playbook." --Rhino

I don't beware the Military. I beware its contingent of momma's boys and daddy's little princesses (who all deserve a boot up their asses), who will kiss a politician's ass as well as any dictator's.<!-- / message --><!-- sig -->

[Rhino]

Then there's nothing to worry about.

[Wolfcounsel]

"Then there's nothing to worry about." --Rhino

I don't believe I've ever worried about our Military turning against the people they are protecting. The MBs and DLPs will be taken care of by real warriors in their midst.<!-- / message --><!-- sig -->

[Rhino]

Apparently some other people are worried that way.

[HooverWasRight]

put some land mines along the border... and one bad step.....and illegal immigration would be a thing of the past.

[Wolfcounsel]

"put some land mines along the border... and one bad step.....and illegal immigration would be a thing of the past." --HooverWasRight

Those will stop the welfare bums who step on them. They will not stop other welfare assholes from trying to sneak into America to partake of some of the money ripped off from hard-working taxpayers.

Stop ALL welfare and entitlements, and make the American leeches work, and the Mexican leeches will go back to Hell!

Apologize for the bold large size. Some public servants either are stupid or have poor eyesight.<!-- / message -->

[Rhino]

Apologize for the bold large size. Some public servants are either stupid or have poor eyesight.Can we bet on which? LOL!

[Wolfcounsel]

I give 50 to 1.

[Suzie]

I KNOW some people are worried that way. As soon as they get there they are met with the attitude that they are there to do something to someone one and then some idiot will make the comment that they are afraid of the idea of them being there for whatever reason and they are treated like crap by many of the people they are there to help.

The cops get an attitude because they don't answer to them. We even had troops go in for a flood where they were going to help a town recover from flooding where snow had melted quickly from a warm up then the temperatures dropped again making it a cold disgusting mess to clean up. There was a garage at the police station that had a heater in it and they would try to keep the Guard out, the only access they could get to any heat. They were cold and they were wet, but because the Mayor and Police Chief wanted control over what they were doing and they didn't have it, they treated them like dogs.

They are there to clear roads for the State to bring in equipment to help people haul stuff away from damaged homes. They aren't Garbage collectors. But instead of waiting for those trucks to get there people actually pull their things out into the road so they have to clear it away.

It gets much worse but I don't have all day to type. I have supported my husband for years now, but now that I know even many of the people I thought supported them try to cast doubt on them before they even get there. I am not so sure I am willing to keep telling myself we are helping our country and people appreciate it. I don't think enough of them do anymore. If the first words out of the mouths of people HERE who are supposed to be conservatives is negative of their mission, why even bother. It's going to be the same as it always is with this too. People are going to think they are there to ... heck I don't even know what they think they are going to be doing, but it's obvious once again that many Americans don't want their help and they are going to be treated badly once again.

[Rhino]

South Dakota?

[Suzie]

South Dakota?
Is this a question for me? The floods I talk about above were in WV, back when the 28th ID still had a batallion in WV.

[Rhino]

Okay. Sounded like the South Dakota floods.

[Suzie]

No we have the problem here of snow in the hills melting into the valley. Not a good situation when it's A LOT of snow.

[HooverWasRight]

Why do we need NG troops on the border. I thought NAFTA was supposed to such a great deal that Mexico would prosper under its treaty.

[Naturalized-Texan]

Why do we need NG troops on the border. I thought NAFTA was supposed to such a great deal that Mexico would prosper under its treaty.
Mexico will never prosper as long as it has a socialist regime. NAFTA has helped both the U.S. and Mexico, but without free market capitalism, Mexico is still being held back.