Reading, Writing and Race: HS Teacher Says Blacks Inferior to Whites

[HomeschoolrsRUs]

Reading, Writing and Race (http://www.wltx.com/news/news19.aspx?storyid=37795)
Reported by J.R. Berry

(Cayce) - Inside the walls of Brookland-Cayce High School, you expect students to be treated equally. But a viewer tip led News19 online where a teacher's comments left us asking questions.

"These sorts of things are going to upset people, but the truth can be very upsetting," said Brookland-Cayce High School teacher Winston McCuen.

That truth, at least according to McCuen, is that black people are inferior to whites.

"Intellectually, yes they are," said McCuen.

[Charity]

:-(

[Riverboat]

Aside from his personal views, odious as they are, I wonder how well he conveys the lessons? It may be that he is able to restrain his views so that he can perform well, much the same way I am able to restrain myself from choking the mouth-breathing morons that cross my path daily.

But when a guy opens his pie hole like that, he sort of invites a deeper look at his gradebook and whether he treats everyone fairly. Personally, I don't like the feel of the carpet in the principal's office.

[Beowulf]

No doubt this guy will lose his job and I think he should. The Dude needs to think before he speaks. Wait till Jesse Jackoff gets ahold of this story.

BUT, if it was a black teacher saying that the other way around, little would be said no doubt.

[BuckeyeMike]

We wouldn't even be having this conversation.

[DesertFox]

This is one of those things that, even without political correctness, one ought not say out loud. It can cause only hard feelings for everybody and does no good at all.

The IQ gap the dude mentions is true -- until you compare northern blacks as late as the Fifties with southern whites. Environment does matter, though in the end they're going to chuck political correctness and find that some folks are just better at some things than other folks. Blacks in general excel at athletics, women in general are better at tasks involving fine motor control, and like that.

It isn't even safe to talk about such things today; but they do need to be properly investigated and not swept under the rug so that we may in time know what actually causes what at the genetic level.

[Wolfcounsel]

I think being a dumbass is a cultural thing, whether you are Caucasoid, Mongoloid, Negroid, or Assholoid.

[Longhorn_Platinum]

Beowulf:
BUT, if it was a black teacher saying that the other way around, little would be said no doubt.

:unsmile: It's more likely that a black teacher would say this, the same way around. I once taught at a school that was majority black, & my black department head told me I had to just let students pass, because that's the only way some of them would ever get a diploma. She didn't seem to think her own people were educable. She succeeded in having me kicked out of the school, when I tried to make these kids learn, in exchange for a passing grade.

[Gonzo67]

One thing that teachers do, is they fail to know enough about the "tools" they use to base their assumptions on. Take for example the "IQ Tests" DesertFox used...

Educators have some misguided belief that a persons "I.Q." is a measurement of that person's "Intelligence", most likely because the "I" in IQ stands for Intelligence.

The tests measure cognitive skills. Think of it like a bucket. the I.Q. score is a hole in the side of that bucket. the higher the hole, the more water you can hold. It's not a measurement of how much the person KNOWS, it's a measurement of how much the person is capable of knowing and retaining.

I know people that have scored somewhat low on an IQ test, but are quite sharp, and I don't doubt their intelligence one bit. And there's plenty of people who probably hit genius marks on IQ tests but are down right dumb as stumps. Don't put as much stock into I.Q. tests as todays educators would like you to.

[Longhorn_Platinum]

:unsmile: I've never researched the IQs of any of my students, & I don't know of any teachers that have. Although, I have heard teachers babbling endlessly about the myth of "learning styles". Riverboat, what do you think about that?

[DesertFox]

One thing that teachers do, is they fail to know enough about the "tools" they use to base their assumptions on. Take for example the "IQ Tests" DesertFox used...Hotshot, I'll stack up my knowledge of IQ tests and their use and misuse against yours any day of the week. You sure have a good opinion of yourself, don't you? How about just saying what you have to say without slamming others?

Among other things, IQ tests measure probability of success in school, and accurately predict it in all student populations where they are used.

LP, my disagreement with the "learning styles" kick is in the way it's implemented -- as a way to excuse lack of effort. But the principle of "learning styles" is nothing new. Teachers have forever tried to engage all a kid's senses in learning, by writing a word on the board while saying it aloud and having the class repeat it several times and then having the class write it several times. That's "learning styles" as it's supposed to be used.

My problem is with the "multiple intelligences" bullshit that Gardner got going. It's not even a theory, just an idea. No backup, no studies, nothing.

[HomeschoolrsRUs]

Although, I have heard teachers babbling endlessly about the myth of "learning styles".

I don't know what this is supposed to mean, and perhaps I am, myself, misinterpretting it, however, not all children learn alike. There is much to be said for understanding a child's ability to learn, and how they learn. I won't further sidetrack the thread . . .

The myth of "learning styles"? - FreeConservatives (http://www.freeconservatives.com/vb/showthread.php?p=419442#post419442)

[Gonzo67]

Hotshot, I'll stack up my knowledge of IQ tests and their use and misuse against yours any day of the week. You sure have a good opinion of yourself, don't you? How about just saying what you have to say without slamming others?


wtf is your problem? I SAID what I "have to say", and I wasn't "slamming" you or ANYONE else. And I NEVER claimed my "knowledge of IQ tests and their use and misuse" is superior in any way. I simply stated what an IQ test measure... CAPACITY. If your skin's that thin, wear another shirt. But my post was not a "slam" against you or anyone, so get a grip.

[DesertFox]

I got a perfect grip, thank you. You can pretend you weren't slamming me but you're not fooling anybody, least of all me. Everybody knows I'm a teacher, and everybody saw what you said.

Grow up and take responsibility for what you do.

[Rhino]

Educators have some misguided belief that a persons "I.Q." is a measurement of that person's "Intelligence", most likely because the "I" in IQ stands for Intelligence.The teacher in the article didn't originally mention IQ tests. He said blacks are intellectually inferior, and there are numerous studies of intelligence and cognitive ability to indicate that, beyond simply using IQ tests. However, he probably could have chosen his words better by not saying IQ tests prove it. They do back up the scientific studies, but by themselves they would be tenuous if touted as proof, as you mentioned.

By the way, DF didn't originally mention IQ tests.

In any case, it doesn't really matter much. Whatever the evidence, this guy should have realized such remarks would generate a storm of negative responses. Being PC means never having to see your facts.

[Gonzo67]

You can pretend you weren't slamming me but you're not fooling anybody, least of all me. Everybody knows I'm a teacher, and everybody saw what you said.

Grow up and take responsibility for what you do.


First of all, I'm not pretending shit. Apparently "everyone" doesn't know you're a teacher, I sure didn't know. I know this may come as a shock to you, but I don't spend my days and nights researching you, your career choices, believe it or not, since I do not KNOW YOU PERSONALLY, that subject doesn't hold that big an interest to me. So get over yourself.

It was NOT a slam against you, but I guess so I don't hurt your delicate feelings, I'll preface all my future posts with the phrase: "This in no way is a reflection on DesertFox..."

Now, as for what I said, Tell me how you would like me to "Take responsibility for what I said" ? Better yet, tell me how I am NOT taking responsibility for what I said. Did I say that someone else posted as me? No, What was said in my post was said by me. And I stand by it, TEACHERS IN GENERAL, and there are PLENTY OF THEM HERE IN THE SMALL TOWN I LIVE IN, so not referring to YOU, equate an IQ test with how "smart or stupid" a person is. And that is an ERROR (a.k.a. WRONG). Now, is there some form of lie in that statement you would like to dispute?

I did not say ALL teachers, I did not specify any teacher in particular.

When I said "take for example the IQ Test DesertFox use..." What that meant was Take for example IQ tests that DesertFox Mentioned, or "used as an example". That was not a "slam" directed at you, I just indicated that you were the one that mentioned IQ. And yes, I admit that you didn't use "tests" in there, that was an oversight on MY PART.

I check posts and respond to posts as I have time. While doing this, I take care of a person who recently had a stroke and is confined to a wheel chair, with half her body paralyzed. So I am constantly getting up and down doing stuff for her while I am posting, so it may take me 3 or 4 trips before I actually finish a single post. Sometimes my train of thought is interrupted, hence mistakenly thinking you mentioned I.Q. TESTS rather than an I.Q. GAP. But my point about educators who use them thinking they are a measurement of how "smart" someone is being wrong, is still accurate none the less.

[DesertFox]

If I took your post wrong, and it appears I did, I offer my apologies.