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05-27-2006, 06:24 PM
When I first heard that McCain blamed Lou Dobbs and Rush Limbaugh for the growing opposition, I wondered "Why Lou Dobbs"? Who looks at CNN anymore, wasn't he just a stock market guy?
Well, as I found out, what Rush Limbaugh is to his mass base, Lou Dobbs is to the elites - a very smart, well respected, "non-nut" on a certiefied mainstream left of center network. Worse yet, he is watched by all the big business and chamber of commerce types who want lots of cheap labor. In a sense, he is the Walter Cronkite of finacial markets - always trusted and definative.
So I started looking up Dobbs and his anchor transcripts (he's more than Finance). Egadds this man IS a no nonense, cut the BS, facts based commentator who is on a mission to expose immigration reform as a travesty. I've got to start watching him!!!!! Here's just one day's broadcast on the story (edited to fit max length of 25%).
May 26th, CNN:
DOBBS: Good evening, everybody.
In the past few minutes, the Senate has voted for what it is calling a comprehensive immigration reform bill, a bill that would give amnesty to millions of illegal aliens. The vote, 62 in favor, 36 against. It is a major victory for corporate America and special interests, a major defeat for middle class Americans who face a new onslaught of cheap imported labor.
But the political battle over this legislation is far from over. The House of Representatives is determined to block the Senate legislation and to make border security the nation's top priority.
Louise Schiavone reports from Washington...
Casey Wian reports tonight from Los Angeles....
And Bill Tucker, here in New York, reporting on the massive financial cost of the Senate bill for American citizen taxpayers.
We begin with Louise Schiavone in Washington -- Louise.
....they (the Senate) rejected other amendments, including one to prohibit illegals from collecting Social Security on wages earned with false IDs.
That's the sort of thing that angers opponents. ...
SEN. JON KYL (R), ARIZONA: My constituents, many of them, are so angry about the failure of the government to fulfill its responsibilities, and do not see in the underlying legislation an approach to do that.
SEN. RICK SANTORUM (R), PENNSYLVANIA: This legislation I think is well outside of what I consider responsible reform. ...
TONY SNOW, WHITE HOUSE PRESS SECRETARY: I can tell you this, it's pretty clear that members of both houses understand that they pay a heavier political price for failing to act than for acting.
(END VIDEOTAPE)
SCHIAVONE: Of course, Lou, the president's press secretary would say that. ...
DOBBS: And Louise, we should point out that this is an instance in which the president of the United States, a Republican, by most -- most identifications, and the majority of the Senate have -- of his party -- have parted company. In point of fact, the president of the United States has sided with the Democratic Party in the Senate, and a majority of the Republicans in the Senate have been defeated on this legislation. ...
DOBBS: Well, there is no question, none whatsoever, that this legislation is flawed in nearly -- in so many ways, that it is utterly breathtaking. I want to add -- Louise Schiavone, thank you very much for that.
I want to add to our update on this legislation. We have just received word from Senator Jon Kyl's office...
Just moments before the final Senate vote, the United States Senate adopted a provision that requires consultation with the government of Mexico before the United States government can build a security fence on our southern border. If there is any doubt whatsoever about who's in charge of U.S. immigration policy, and now border security, it should be dispelled.
The Senate laying bare its motivation and its values and its disregard for border security by placing immigration reform, as it puts it, at the forefront.
The Senate passed its immigration -- comprehensive immigration reform bill without addressing the legislation's massive impact on our legal system or the agencies responsible for enforcing that legislation, should it become law. Opponents say the Senate bill is simply irresponsible and fatally flawed.
Casey Wian reports.
(BEGIN VIDEOTAPE)
CASEY WIAN, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): From hiring more Border Patrol agents to verifying the legal status of all new workers, nearly every significant provision of the Senate immigration reform bill faces huge, possibly insurmountable obstacles.
MICHAEL CUTLER, FMR. INS AGENT: Now we've got the United States Senate hell-bent on creating a system that offers as many loopholes and as many areas of vulnerability as we had before. And I just wonder how many of those senators were the same people who were yelling about connecting the dots right after 9/11. WIAN: Perhaps the most glaring loophole is the provision that illegal aliens who have been in the United States more than five years can pay a fine, stay, and work towards citizenship. Those here two to five years would have to self-deport, fill out an application and re- enter through a legal point of entry. Others would have to leave, period.
DAN STEIN, FED. FOR AMER. IMMIGRATION REFORM: As for the requirement that they leave if they've been here less than two years, well, they're supposed to leave now. Who's going to make them? I mean, the senators aren't even answering the core basic questions about why we can't make the law work.
WIAN: The bill would more than double the size of the Border Patrol by 2011, but the agency can't even find enough recruits to fill the jobs it has open now. It also envisions a special guest worker program for 1.5 million farm workers. A smaller program already exists, and it's been plagued by worker abuse and low pay. And the Senate wants a workplace ID verification system set up within 18 months.
SEN. JOHN ENSIGN (R), NEVADA: Every time the government promises an implementation of something, it always seems to take much more time. And that's why I think many of us are skeptical about some of the timelines that have been put out there.
WIAN: Another questionable timeline, the bill urges the Homeland Security Department to perform background checks on the estimated 12 to 20 million illegal aliens now in the country within 90 days.
(END VIDEOTAPE)
WIAN: Just proving the identity of all those illegal aliens is a virtual impossible task, because as amnesty advocates often point out, most of them are undocumented. Of course, that is if you don't count the fraudulent documents -- Lou.
DOBBS: Exactly, or whatever you want to call it. Illegal is the bottom line, which the Senate has just moved to the side as if it is of no interest whatsoever as to who obeys our laws or does not.
This issue, Casey, the fact that they're not looking, in any way providing for budget, manpower for the Citizenship and Immigration Services, or ICE and its internal enforcement agents, I mean, this is -- how do we rationalize? How do we explain this?
WIAN: I don't think you can rationalize or explain it, as evidenced by what you just reported a couple of minutes ago, the fact that the Senate has approved an amendment to allow the government of Mexico to basically sign off on whether we can build a border fence or not. I mean, it seems all rationality has gone out the window -- Lou.
DOBBS: This is breathtaking, it is hard to imagine what this president and the leadership of this Senate have been thinking and what -- and it's just extraordinary. Absolutely disregarding the will of the American people, and abandoning common sense all together, or any apparent concern for border security in passing this legislation. So-called comprehensive immigration legislation.
Casey, thank you.
Casey Wian, from Los Angeles.
The Senate's pro-amnesty legislation also ignores a huge economic and financial cost of enacting such legislation. This legislation would cost taxpayers as much as $54 billion over the next 10 years. That is only an estimate, but that is many times more than the cost of the House immigration bill which focuses primarily on border security.
Bill Tucker reports.
(BEGIN VIDEOTAPE)
BILL TUCKER, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): When it comes to costs, there's a stark difference between the House version of immigration legislation...
....TUCKER: It should be remembered that the last time the Senate was in this big a rush to pass legislation was the Medicare prescription drug bill. And Lou, that bill was supposed to cost $400 billion. And since its passage, the cost protections have now more than tripled.
DOBBS: They've only missed it by about 80 percent, and those are now conservative estimates, what they told everyone would be $400 billion, looking at over $700 billion. And it's not even clear how well it's working. Remarkable.
But there is a common theme here. Both pieces of legislation were designed first for the benefit of corporate America. And the Senate has, without question -- the Senate leadership -- it is hard to divide the partisan interests here, but it's a remarkable thing. And I will say it again, this Republican president and the Republican leadership of the Senate have sided with the Democrats in the Senate, and have overrun the Republican members of that Senate, the Republican majority in the Senate.
This is as best I can tell unprecedented. We're checking right now to see historically where this has occurred before. But right now, this looks to be unique in history. And a remarkable situation.
Bill Tucker, thank you very much.
Well, California's governor, Arnold Schwarzenegger, has announced that he now supports sending new California National Guard troops to the Mexican border if they stay only temporarily.
...A remarkable turn of events on a day in which the Senate has certainly distinguished itself in so many ways, certainly making transparent the politics and the motives and the values of the U.S. Senate.
....And new evidence that the federal government's failure to stop illegal immigration from being a greater burden and keeping illegal aliens from stealing Americans' identity is threatening our national security. We'll have that report as well.
And the Senate voting to give amnesty to millions of illegal aliens today. A powerful member of the House Judiciary Committee, Congressman Steve King, says our illegal immigration crisis and border security crisis will not end by simply opening our borders and legalizing illegal aliens. He's our guest.
Stay with us.
I am stunned and thankful that a mainline anchor has the power and will to talk plainly and logically to the American people - no frilly language or made up BS - just the scarey facts.
I found our nomination for 2008 LOU DOBBS!
Well, as I found out, what Rush Limbaugh is to his mass base, Lou Dobbs is to the elites - a very smart, well respected, "non-nut" on a certiefied mainstream left of center network. Worse yet, he is watched by all the big business and chamber of commerce types who want lots of cheap labor. In a sense, he is the Walter Cronkite of finacial markets - always trusted and definative.
So I started looking up Dobbs and his anchor transcripts (he's more than Finance). Egadds this man IS a no nonense, cut the BS, facts based commentator who is on a mission to expose immigration reform as a travesty. I've got to start watching him!!!!! Here's just one day's broadcast on the story (edited to fit max length of 25%).
May 26th, CNN:
DOBBS: Good evening, everybody.
In the past few minutes, the Senate has voted for what it is calling a comprehensive immigration reform bill, a bill that would give amnesty to millions of illegal aliens. The vote, 62 in favor, 36 against. It is a major victory for corporate America and special interests, a major defeat for middle class Americans who face a new onslaught of cheap imported labor.
But the political battle over this legislation is far from over. The House of Representatives is determined to block the Senate legislation and to make border security the nation's top priority.
Louise Schiavone reports from Washington...
Casey Wian reports tonight from Los Angeles....
And Bill Tucker, here in New York, reporting on the massive financial cost of the Senate bill for American citizen taxpayers.
We begin with Louise Schiavone in Washington -- Louise.
....they (the Senate) rejected other amendments, including one to prohibit illegals from collecting Social Security on wages earned with false IDs.
That's the sort of thing that angers opponents. ...
SEN. JON KYL (R), ARIZONA: My constituents, many of them, are so angry about the failure of the government to fulfill its responsibilities, and do not see in the underlying legislation an approach to do that.
SEN. RICK SANTORUM (R), PENNSYLVANIA: This legislation I think is well outside of what I consider responsible reform. ...
TONY SNOW, WHITE HOUSE PRESS SECRETARY: I can tell you this, it's pretty clear that members of both houses understand that they pay a heavier political price for failing to act than for acting.
(END VIDEOTAPE)
SCHIAVONE: Of course, Lou, the president's press secretary would say that. ...
DOBBS: And Louise, we should point out that this is an instance in which the president of the United States, a Republican, by most -- most identifications, and the majority of the Senate have -- of his party -- have parted company. In point of fact, the president of the United States has sided with the Democratic Party in the Senate, and a majority of the Republicans in the Senate have been defeated on this legislation. ...
DOBBS: Well, there is no question, none whatsoever, that this legislation is flawed in nearly -- in so many ways, that it is utterly breathtaking. I want to add -- Louise Schiavone, thank you very much for that.
I want to add to our update on this legislation. We have just received word from Senator Jon Kyl's office...
Just moments before the final Senate vote, the United States Senate adopted a provision that requires consultation with the government of Mexico before the United States government can build a security fence on our southern border. If there is any doubt whatsoever about who's in charge of U.S. immigration policy, and now border security, it should be dispelled.
The Senate laying bare its motivation and its values and its disregard for border security by placing immigration reform, as it puts it, at the forefront.
The Senate passed its immigration -- comprehensive immigration reform bill without addressing the legislation's massive impact on our legal system or the agencies responsible for enforcing that legislation, should it become law. Opponents say the Senate bill is simply irresponsible and fatally flawed.
Casey Wian reports.
(BEGIN VIDEOTAPE)
CASEY WIAN, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): From hiring more Border Patrol agents to verifying the legal status of all new workers, nearly every significant provision of the Senate immigration reform bill faces huge, possibly insurmountable obstacles.
MICHAEL CUTLER, FMR. INS AGENT: Now we've got the United States Senate hell-bent on creating a system that offers as many loopholes and as many areas of vulnerability as we had before. And I just wonder how many of those senators were the same people who were yelling about connecting the dots right after 9/11. WIAN: Perhaps the most glaring loophole is the provision that illegal aliens who have been in the United States more than five years can pay a fine, stay, and work towards citizenship. Those here two to five years would have to self-deport, fill out an application and re- enter through a legal point of entry. Others would have to leave, period.
DAN STEIN, FED. FOR AMER. IMMIGRATION REFORM: As for the requirement that they leave if they've been here less than two years, well, they're supposed to leave now. Who's going to make them? I mean, the senators aren't even answering the core basic questions about why we can't make the law work.
WIAN: The bill would more than double the size of the Border Patrol by 2011, but the agency can't even find enough recruits to fill the jobs it has open now. It also envisions a special guest worker program for 1.5 million farm workers. A smaller program already exists, and it's been plagued by worker abuse and low pay. And the Senate wants a workplace ID verification system set up within 18 months.
SEN. JOHN ENSIGN (R), NEVADA: Every time the government promises an implementation of something, it always seems to take much more time. And that's why I think many of us are skeptical about some of the timelines that have been put out there.
WIAN: Another questionable timeline, the bill urges the Homeland Security Department to perform background checks on the estimated 12 to 20 million illegal aliens now in the country within 90 days.
(END VIDEOTAPE)
WIAN: Just proving the identity of all those illegal aliens is a virtual impossible task, because as amnesty advocates often point out, most of them are undocumented. Of course, that is if you don't count the fraudulent documents -- Lou.
DOBBS: Exactly, or whatever you want to call it. Illegal is the bottom line, which the Senate has just moved to the side as if it is of no interest whatsoever as to who obeys our laws or does not.
This issue, Casey, the fact that they're not looking, in any way providing for budget, manpower for the Citizenship and Immigration Services, or ICE and its internal enforcement agents, I mean, this is -- how do we rationalize? How do we explain this?
WIAN: I don't think you can rationalize or explain it, as evidenced by what you just reported a couple of minutes ago, the fact that the Senate has approved an amendment to allow the government of Mexico to basically sign off on whether we can build a border fence or not. I mean, it seems all rationality has gone out the window -- Lou.
DOBBS: This is breathtaking, it is hard to imagine what this president and the leadership of this Senate have been thinking and what -- and it's just extraordinary. Absolutely disregarding the will of the American people, and abandoning common sense all together, or any apparent concern for border security in passing this legislation. So-called comprehensive immigration legislation.
Casey, thank you.
Casey Wian, from Los Angeles.
The Senate's pro-amnesty legislation also ignores a huge economic and financial cost of enacting such legislation. This legislation would cost taxpayers as much as $54 billion over the next 10 years. That is only an estimate, but that is many times more than the cost of the House immigration bill which focuses primarily on border security.
Bill Tucker reports.
(BEGIN VIDEOTAPE)
BILL TUCKER, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): When it comes to costs, there's a stark difference between the House version of immigration legislation...
....TUCKER: It should be remembered that the last time the Senate was in this big a rush to pass legislation was the Medicare prescription drug bill. And Lou, that bill was supposed to cost $400 billion. And since its passage, the cost protections have now more than tripled.
DOBBS: They've only missed it by about 80 percent, and those are now conservative estimates, what they told everyone would be $400 billion, looking at over $700 billion. And it's not even clear how well it's working. Remarkable.
But there is a common theme here. Both pieces of legislation were designed first for the benefit of corporate America. And the Senate has, without question -- the Senate leadership -- it is hard to divide the partisan interests here, but it's a remarkable thing. And I will say it again, this Republican president and the Republican leadership of the Senate have sided with the Democrats in the Senate, and have overrun the Republican members of that Senate, the Republican majority in the Senate.
This is as best I can tell unprecedented. We're checking right now to see historically where this has occurred before. But right now, this looks to be unique in history. And a remarkable situation.
Bill Tucker, thank you very much.
Well, California's governor, Arnold Schwarzenegger, has announced that he now supports sending new California National Guard troops to the Mexican border if they stay only temporarily.
...A remarkable turn of events on a day in which the Senate has certainly distinguished itself in so many ways, certainly making transparent the politics and the motives and the values of the U.S. Senate.
....And new evidence that the federal government's failure to stop illegal immigration from being a greater burden and keeping illegal aliens from stealing Americans' identity is threatening our national security. We'll have that report as well.
And the Senate voting to give amnesty to millions of illegal aliens today. A powerful member of the House Judiciary Committee, Congressman Steve King, says our illegal immigration crisis and border security crisis will not end by simply opening our borders and legalizing illegal aliens. He's our guest.
Stay with us.
I am stunned and thankful that a mainline anchor has the power and will to talk plainly and logically to the American people - no frilly language or made up BS - just the scarey facts.
I found our nomination for 2008 LOU DOBBS!