WMDs Found!! [Archive] - FreeConservatives

Lubbock

06-21-2006, 04:00 PM

I heard Santorum on FOX making this announcement.

Did I miss it, or did he say when the WMD was found? Was it in the early days of the war, or more recently? Since the documents were just declassified, I assume to was in the early days.

There has never been a doubt in my mind that we found evidence of WMD and actual WMD. Any clear thinking person knows that a vast quanity was spirited out of the country while we were diddling around with the UN and the "World Community Diplomacy", but you'd have to know that not all was disposed of or hidden. That's just common sense, without any actual knowledge of what the government had in classified information.

The Democrats, in large numbers, had to know what was in classified documents as regards WMD, but yet they have persisted in the "Bush Lied" mantra. John Kerry ran for president on "Bush Lied".

Didn't any one of them ever stop to think what kind of egg they would have one their collective face when the Bush Administration began to declassify the information? They had to know it was going to happen, sooner or later.

More and more and more will come out, and the Dems will look worse and worse.

Rhino

06-21-2006, 04:01 PM

It's not on their web site, but they do have a news alert about a sinkhole in Florida.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,200475,00.html

Rhino

06-21-2006, 04:03 PM

Did I miss it, or did he say when the WMD was found? Was it in the early days of the war, or more recently?I hope he's not referring to the Sarin the UN inspectors found before Gulf War I. That's old news.

Antigone

06-21-2006, 04:05 PM

I saw the video of the sink hole. Just amazing.

As for the WMD, lets hope we get some more info on this soon.

Suzie

06-21-2006, 04:21 PM

Not that this is a valid news source but it does support that he said it.

http://pajamasmedia.com/2006/06/wmd_found_in_iraq.php

Rhino

06-21-2006, 04:23 PM

I saw the video of the sink hole. Just amazing.It's draining the whole lake. There go the property values!

Antigone

06-21-2006, 04:39 PM

That's what I thought! All those people are left with nothing but a big mud puddle of silt to look at.

Lubbock

06-21-2006, 04:41 PM

WMD recovered since May, 2004.

According the Hume Report airing at this moment here.

Antigone

06-21-2006, 05:11 PM

Mustard and Sarin gas predating 1991 per FOX just now.

Rhino

06-21-2006, 05:12 PM

We already knew about the Sarin.

Longhorn_Platinum

06-21-2006, 05:16 PM

Antigone:
Mustard and Sarin gas predating 1991 per FOX just now.

:unsmile: Yeah, according to the anchor, this doesn't prove that SoDamn Insane had WMDs,...

:rolleyes: ...it only proves that he didn't destroy them.

Antigone

06-21-2006, 05:16 PM

In other words, it does nothing but show Saddam lied about getting rid of everything. We already knew that too.

Antigone

06-21-2006, 05:17 PM

I gotta reply faster if Longhorn is here!

2nd_Amendment

06-21-2006, 07:47 PM

So much for the "Bush Lied" loonies...

http://thinkprogress.org/2006/06/21/santorum-wmd/

http://hotair.com/archives/the-blog/2006/06/21/santorum-military-has-found-500-chemical-munitions-shells-in-iraq/

http://www.townhall.com/news/ext_wire.html?rowid=47332

Boston Globe (http://www.boston.com/news/local/connecticut/articles/2006/06/21/gop_democrats_maneuver_for_advantage_in_iraq_debat e/)

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,200499,00.html

Rhino

06-22-2006, 07:06 AM

Report: Hundreds of WMDs Found in Iraq

Thursday, June 22, 2006

WASHINGTON — The United States has found 500 chemical weapons in Iraq since 2003, and more weapons of mass destruction are likely to be uncovered, two Republican lawmakers said Wednesday.

"We have found weapons of mass destruction in Iraq, chemical weapons," Sen. Rick Santorum, R-Pa., said in a quickly called press conference late Wednesday afternoon.

Reading from a declassified portion of a report by the National Ground Intelligence Center, a Defense Department intelligence unit, Santorum said: "Since 2003, coalition forces have recovered approximately 500 weapons munitions which contain degraded mustard or sarin nerve agent. Despite many efforts to locate and destroy Iraq's pre-Gulf War chemical munitions, filled and unfilled pre-Gulf War chemical munitions are assessed to still exist."

He added that the report warns about the hazards that the chemical weapons could still pose to coalition troops in Iraq.

"The purity of the agents inside the munitions depends on many factors, including the manufacturing process, potential additives and environmental storage conditions. While agents degrade over time, chemical warfare agents remain hazardous and potentially lethal," Santorum read from the document.

"This says weapons have been discovered, more weapons exist and they state that Iraq was not a WMD-free zone, that there are continuing threats from the materials that are or may still be in Iraq," said Rep. Pete Hoekstra, R-Mich., chairman of the House Intelligence Committee.

The weapons are thought to be manufactured before 1991 so they would not be proof of an ongoing WMD program in the 1990s. But they do show that Saddam Hussein was lying when he said all weapons had been destroyed, and it shows that years of on-again, off-again weapons inspections did not uncover these munitions........http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,200499,00.html

The declassified report:
http://www.foxnews.com/projects/pdf/Iraq_WMD_Declassified.pdf

Nutrider99

06-22-2006, 07:08 AM

So much for the "Bush Lied" loonies...
I love this line.

"While a small number of old, abandoned chemical munitions have been discovered, ISG judges that Iraq unilaterally destroyed its undeclared chemical weapons stockpile in 1991."

Judges based on what, exactly? There is no evidence that the weapons were ever destroyed. Hussein didn't verifiably destroy them, as was required by the 1991 cease-fire agreement. What evidence do thay have to "judge" that the weapons were destroyed and not simply sold on the open market or hidden for later use? This is why I never trusted the ISG reports. They so cavalierly assume that these weapons, which could kill tens of thousands, would simply cease to exist if they couldn't find them.

Rhino

06-22-2006, 07:38 AM

Out of sight, out of mind.

Longhorn_Platinum

06-22-2006, 08:14 AM

Rhino

06-22-2006, 08:23 AM

Yesterday, I heard a "Fox contributor" say that these aren't the WsMD that we went to war over.Susan Estrich?

HomeschoolrsRUs

06-22-2006, 08:33 AM

What WMD's do you suppose the mainslime media, demolibs and libocrats think "should have" been found there to fulfill the requirement of WMD's found?

Lazarus

06-22-2006, 08:35 AM

Ugh! Dont say that name, Rhino... Everytime I hear it I see her face on Doc's "Our Gals vs Their Gals" poster...

:yuck:

Rhino

06-22-2006, 08:36 AM

What WMD's do you suppose the mainslime media, demolibs and libocrats think "should have" been found there to fulfill the requirement of WMD's found?
None, and they'll accept no other answer.

Rhino

06-22-2006, 08:37 AM

Ugh! Dont say that name, Rhino... Everytime I hear it I see her face on Doc's "Our Gals vs Their Gals" poster... Sorry. It just sounded like one of her asinine comments.

shawnwood

06-22-2006, 09:04 AM

What WMD's do you suppose the mainslime media, demolibs and libocrats think "should have" been found there to fulfill the requirement of WMD's found?

I would say that short of finding a full fledged nuclear missle production line, with a stockpile of say 3500 long range missles already coded with targets......

The left is out in force already de-bunking this and calling it no big deal. I do not care what they say, and could care less if they think this is an un-just war. The alternative would have been for us to wait until attacked to verify WMD's. The left would then cry that we did nothing to prevent the attack! At least our cities and children have been spared for now.

dajoga

06-22-2006, 09:12 AM

More GOP votes this November??? Can't be good news for the looney-leftists!!

Oh, I get it--they weren't found in Saddumb's palace, so they don't count as WMD's. They must have belonged to someone else--Shiites maybe?? That's it--these were hidden to overthrow Saddumb when needed!!

Suzie

06-22-2006, 09:28 AM

I liked Sean Hannity's answer to this. All the liberals who think this is no big deal should offer to store a few of them in their garage.

Wyatt_Junker

06-22-2006, 09:30 AM

The left is out in force already de-bunking this and calling it no big deal. I do not care what they say, and could care less if they think this is an un-just war.

Its the same as alcoholism. The turbo libs would have to first admit they have a problem and there is no WAY in HELL they are going to do that.

So, as reality peppers them with right jabs to the face, they bob and weave. Little do they know that we are saving our right hand once the jabs have softened them up which will put them to sleep.

The problem with the KOS kids is that, like dungeons and dragons, they have also set up an entire fabrication that relies on false worlds. A whole infrastructure of thought that now they have to continually hold up. Its heavy, especially when the facts keep contradicting it. But they would rather carry the burden of a lie now than reject all their sweat equity of MoveOn & Codepink and all that money that went into those. They can't imagine all that money and their lives even being worthless. All that time they spent debunking the war, they HAVE TO keep going forward with the lie because to not do so would be to admit to themselves that not only they have a problem but that their lives are meaningless and that they are, by extension, worthless.

There's too much of a cost to speak the truth, let alone see it. All they have now is the lie and they prefer it. It makes life go on, all their illusions that they've supported thus far require the lie. So now, I would expect their lies to begin to consume them, to eat them alive since to keep defending them means further and further marginalization. They would rather have that than admit they have a problem.

Large_Al

06-22-2006, 09:33 AM

:unsmile: Yesterday, I heard a "Fox contributor" say that these aren't the WsMD that we went to war over. Does anyone recall a specific inventory of what we were supposed to find? I don't. It seems to me that WsMD are WsMD, & they were all dangerous in the hands of SoDamn Insane.

Longhorn I heard that also I think on Britt Hume's show?? I forget who said it?? I was surprised by that. I must of missed when Bush said we were going after only WMDs with a use by date of 01/01/2003.

What is alarming is that they are finding various WMDs daily. And if you don't think that the Terrorist already have them then you are a Anal Ostrich. aka you have your head up your ass.
A big attack is coming. We need to make them dead before they make us dead!!! Plain and simple!!

Wyatt_Junker

06-22-2006, 09:49 AM

The libs are like Sally Struthers at this point. Blubbering, hysterical.

The only thing that will work now to get them back to reality are hard cracks to the cheek, preferably Boris Becker backhands followed up by smelling salts.

Back and forth. Smack, smack, SMACK.

You could even have Osama's stinky Arab taint for proof that he's dead. The libs would smell it first to authenticate it. They would lift it up to their nose and give it a wiff. And then they'd throw it back and say 'No dice!' Where's his nutsack? they'd ask.

You'd have to bring his entire fragmented body out of the hut we bombed and stitch it back to together in Frankensteinian fashion. Glue the head back on with Elmer's. And sit him upright in a baby stroller. Only then would they sign off on the WOT.

Antigone

06-22-2006, 10:00 AM

Longhorn I heard that also I think on Britt Hume's show?? I forget who said it?? I was surprised by that. I must of missed when Bush said we were going after only WMDs with a use by date of 01/01/2003.

What is alarming is that they are finding various WMDs daily. And if you don't think that the Terrorist already have them then you are a Anal Ostrich. aka you have your head up your ass.
A big attack is coming. We need to make them dead before they make us dead!!! Plain and simple!!

According to Think Progress (so take it for what it's worth) they are claiming this:

Fox News’ Jim Angle contacted the Defense Department who quickly disavowed Santorum and Hoekstra’s claims. A Defense Department official told Angle flatly that the munitions hyped by Santorum and Hoekstra are “not the WMD’s for which this country went to war.”

http://thinkprogress.org/2006/06/21/dod-disavows-santorum/

Longhorn_Platinum

06-22-2006, 10:15 AM

Rhino:
Susan Estrich?

:unsmile: No, it was a man.

:nono: Don't say it.

Nutrider99

06-22-2006, 12:30 PM

Fox News’ Jim Angle contacted the Defense Department who quickly disavowed Santorum and Hoekstra’s claims. A Defense Department official told Angle flatly that the munitions hyped by Santorum and Hoekstra are “not the WMD’s for which this country went to war.”

I think the democreeps lifted this idea from Star Wars.

Investigators: How long have you had these WMD?
Iraqi insurgents: Since before 1991.
Democreeps: They're not for sale if you want them.
Investigators: Let me see some identification.
Democreeps: <USING trick mind>You don't need to see the identification.
Investigators: We don't need to see the identification.
Democreeps: These aren't the WMD you're looking for.
Investigators: These aren't WMD we're looking for.
Democreeps: He can go about his business.
Investigators: You can go about your business.
Democreeps: Move along.
Investigators: Move along. Move along.

Antigone

06-22-2006, 12:39 PM

I think the democreeps lifted this idea from Star Wars.

Investigators: How long have you had these WMD?
Iraqi insurgents: Since before 1991.
Democreeps: They're not for sale if you want them.
Investigators: Let me see some identification.
Democreeps: <using trick="" mind="">You don't need to see the identification. </using>
Investigators: We don't need to see the identification.
Democreeps: These aren't the WMD you're looking for.
Investigators: These aren't WMD we're looking for.
Democreeps: He can go about his business.
Investigators: You can go about your business.
Democreeps: Move along.
Investigators: Move along. Move along.

:hahaha:

I think you figured it out!

Apollo5600

06-22-2006, 03:20 PM

From the WND article:

Also appearing on Fox News was former U.N. weapons inspector Tim Trevan, who said some of the weapons could still have posed a danger, even in a deteriorated state.

"Sarin could be a danger," he said. "The mustard, the problem is when it sits in the munition for a very long time in these high temperatures, it polymerizes. It goes from a liquid to a gooey mass." "Probably more important is why has the administration not made this public beforehand," retired Air Force Lt. Gen. Tom McInerny said of the report. "I think the fact is that the Russians moved large stocks [of WMDs] out in the fall of 2002. ... They went into three locations into Syria, in one location in the Bekaa Valley. If you get in there and if you found those weapons and found the precursors, the fingerprints would go back to Russia, China and France. Now those are the three countries that had the most conventional weapons sales to Saddam Hussein. ... I believe they were complicit. So I don't think the administration wants to trash three of the five members of the [U.N.] Security Council."

http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=50746

I have yet to hear about the Russkies moving WMDs out of the country even on Fox News. Maybe just once, but only for a short time, and it is forgotten. That is why I do not like Hannity, or any of the guys on the news. I've been reading about this sort of thing for a long time now, and I have never heard them even mention it. Instead, stupid Hannity is going to harp on ONLY this, when he could be giving an even more powerful argument.

Longhorn_Platinum

06-22-2006, 04:03 PM

:unsmile: For a good example of why it's a waste of time to discuss a serious topic with liberals, GO HERE (http://forums.amarillo.com/cgi-bin/bb/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=1;t=004550#000017).

DesertFox

06-23-2006, 01:57 PM

For the libs, no WMD would have been worth going to war over, even if used to level New York City.

DeclinetoState

06-25-2006, 01:14 AM

:unsmile: For a good example of why it's a waste of time to discuss a serious topic with liberals, GO HERE (http://forums.amarillo.com/cgi-bin/bb/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=1;t=004550#000017). From marked's (moo's adversary's) sig: "I'd rather hunt with Dick Cheney than ride with Laura Bush."

I'd rather hunt with Dick Cheney than ride with Ted Kennedy.

GrocerySacker

06-25-2006, 02:40 AM

aaron11

06-25-2006, 07:53 AM

Idiot.

Longhorn_Platinum

06-25-2006, 08:04 AM

aaron11:
Idiot.

http://www.freeconservatives.com/vb/customavatars/avatar91_3.gif (http://www.freeconservatives.com/vb/member.php?u=91)

:um: Geez, aaron11, you don't have to take it out on 'im.

Longhorn_Platinum

06-25-2006, 08:06 AM

GrocerySacker:
I'm drunk, I don't care.

:um: I guess this means you won't be goin' to church.

DesertFox

06-26-2006, 01:31 PM

"Santorum" has become a street name for the mixture of *** and lube that occurs after anal sex.Uh, no, that´s ¨Clinton.¨

Lubbock

06-26-2006, 01:36 PM

The banning can't come soon enough to suit me. I'm more than a little tired of his drunken filth and stupidity!

Rhino

06-26-2006, 01:46 PM

Funny thing about Rick Santorum....thanks to his valuable contributions to politics, "Santorum" has become a street name for the mixture of *** and lube that occurs after anal sex.

This post will get me banned. I'm drunk, I don't care.
Would you settle for being edited? Try being a bit less graphic, would you?

DeclinetoState

06-26-2006, 06:57 PM

Funny thing about Rick Santorum....thanks to his valuable contributions to politics, "Santorum" has become a street name for the mixture of *** and lube that occurs after anal sex.

This post will get me banned. I'm drunk, I don't care.

Why do I get the feeling that GrocerySacker's name is also his career ambition?

Keep at it, bag boy, you'll make the big time someday.

I don't have to tip you, right?

Large_Al

06-26-2006, 07:47 PM

Thanks Bag Boy for adding so much to the thread. Go ahead down another bottle of MD 20/20 you deserve it.

Aussie

06-28-2006, 07:45 AM

The weapons date from the Iran-Iraq War and are heavily degraded. Probably no longer lethal.

They probably would have been intended for chemical attacks during the Iran-Iraq War, said David Kay, who headed the U.S. weapons-hunting team in Iraq from 2003 until early 2004.
He said experts on Iraq's chemical weapons are in "almost 100 percent agreement" that sarin nerve agent produced from the 1980s would no longer be dangerous.
"It is less toxic than most things that Americans have under their kitchen sink at this point," Kay said.
And any of Iraq's 1980s-era mustard would produce burns, but it is unlikely to be lethal, Kay said.

Washington Post (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/06/22/AR2006062201475.html)

If these 500 weapons are why America went to war, then there should be more of those chemical factories mounted on trucks...at the very least some new WMDS.

Rhino

06-28-2006, 07:57 AM

I checked under my kitchen sink. Most everything there is toxic.

Rhino

06-28-2006, 07:59 AM

And from the same article:

Hoekstra said the document is not a "smoking gun." But he hinted that the chemical agents could be significant because they may have been added to the discovered artillery shells after the first Gulf War. He noted that one of the declassified findings says the munitions could be lethal.

"David Kay says anything produced prior to 1991 is not lethal anymore, so what is the discrepancy here?" Hoekstra said. "I am 100 percent sure if David Kay had the opportunity to look at the reports that describe these things, he would agree with the finding that ... these things are lethal and deadly."So it seems Kay has not only not seen these weapons, he hasn't even seen the report. Would that qualify as guessing?

Aussie

06-28-2006, 08:10 AM

It seems we have a standoff here between anon. intelligence officials, weapons experts:

But intelligence officials, who spoke on condition of anonymity because of the subject's sensitive nature, said the weapons were produced before the 1991 Gulf War and there is no evidence to date of chemical munitions manufactured since then. They said an assessment of the weapons concluded they are so degraded that they couldn't now be used as designed.

and lawmakers.

Personally, I'll trust the intelligence officials. Note that the military are not saying that the chemical weapons are definitely lethal. It is Hoekstra who is saying this. So is he blowing this out of proportion or what? What does the military say?

These weapons are from the 90s, very old and not part of a weapons program. America didn't go to war to find these museum pieces. They went in there to find ongoing chemical and biological warfare program. You'll have a worthy story when you find those.