'Coward' cops canned

[Pendragon_6]

June 22, 2006

BY FRANK MAIN Crime Reporter

Three Chicago Police officers ran away when a fellow officer was struggling for his life with an armed man in a Dominick's store on the South Side, officials said Wednesday.

Two of the fleeing officers were about 10 months into their 18-month probationary period before they could have become full-fledged officers with union benefits.

Those female officers -- called PPOs in cop parlance -- have been fired by police Supt. Phil Cline.

"After reviewing the evidence, it was clear to me that the two PPOs didn't do what they were trained to do, and they put the officer in peril," Cline said


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[HomeschoolrsRUs]

From the article cited:
"Those female officers -- called PPOs in cop parlance . . ."

'nuff said.

[Lubbock]

" . . . A third male officer, whose probation ended about three months ago, faces a departmental investigation and possible termination, too. . . . "

So his firing will drag on for years before the force can finally get rid of him. The best outcome would be that he'll be so shunned by fellow officers that he'll quit.

Can you imagine being partnered with this guy, knowing that he ran and left an officer in peril? No one is going to want to work with him.

Desk duty is all that will ever be in his future. He can never go back on the street.

The thing that puzzles me is, didn't any of these three ever hear the term "safety in numbers"? They didn't think they could take the armed shoplifter? They saw a gun and were scared to death. Should have never made it to the academy, much less been graduated from the academy and put on the street.

[Wolfcounsel]

"Can you imagine being partnered with this guy, knowing that he ran and left an officer in peril? No one is going to want to work with him." --Lubbock

No way in Hell would I partner with the coward, and I would tell the Chief with all due respect to shove his badge up his ass if he ordered me to take him under my wing.

[Incident_command]

They're done for. The third will be an island, no one will want anything to do with him. The City now has a huge problem if they don't fire him. If he does it again the next officer could go after the City for failure to act.

This already is part of acadamy training down here. You leave a fight you leave your job. That easy.

I'm gonna get slammed I know, but here goes. Most female officers avoid getting involved in take downs on scene. We call them refs. They just seem to circle the take down until the bad guy hits the ground.

[Rink]

They're done for. The third will be an island, no one will want anything to do with him. The City now has a huge problem if they don't fire him. If he does it again the next officer could go after the City for failure to act.

This already is part of acadamy training down here. You leave a fight you leave your job. That easy.

I'm gonna get slammed I know, but here goes. Most female officers avoid getting involved in take downs on scene. We call them refs. They just seem to circle the take down until the bad guy hits the ground.

Not kickin ya at all, you're correct on the female cops.

I think much of it is in large part because the female cops just plain do Not have the sufficient upper-body strength in order to take down a suspect, so they mainly seem to rely on the male cops around them to do all the hard work for them.

I watch that TV show 'cops' a lot, and Police shows on the Reality TV, and there was this one episode that had female cops, and even taking down a suspect to handcuff em the females seem to grab, but let the male cops do the musclework for them in the regards to controlling the perp.

[Wolfcounsel]

Any fit woman police properly trained in take down techniques, is more than a match for a belligerent male clown, unless of course there are ingested drugs involved, like meth or PCP, and then even male officers can get their butts kicked. Judo ring a bell?

[Incident_command]

Yea your right about that but nobody is providing that kind of training. At least not on a basis where they would be proficient. Now they are trained on "community policing" or other non related roles.
Most now depend on the taser. Which does do a hell of a job. I've fallen back on 4 years of high school wrestling a few times to save my butt.

[Rink]

Question: arent Police academies teaching any martial arts to their students?

If not, then why?

[Lubbock]

Yeah, and now there's a big flap over tasers causing death or serious injury.

I'm from the old school: handgun. Blow 'em away.

Yes, I know that isn't the way to handle a drunk or someone strung out on drugs, but in so many areas of law enforcement today, you're damned if you do and damned if you don't.

Here we had a Hispanic guy die from a taser jolt a few months back. The incident was a "domestic dispute" of course. He hit his head on a curb when he was tased. That's what caused the death: massive brain hemmorage. Of course, the family is suing: wrongful death and civil rights violations. All of his buddies on camera yammering about what a great guy he was: sure he was, that's why he was drunk and hammering his wife into every wall in the house. Now, some Rights Group is into the lawsuit with all kinds of reports about the danger of tasers.

Turns out, the dead guy's blood alcohol was something over twice the legal limit, and the dash cams in the officers cars caught the whole thing on tape: I think six officers were trying to control the guy and he was fighting them like a buzz saw.

I don't think our Federal Judge (Sam Cummings) will let the suit fly.

Sam is notorious for throwing these kinds of cases out of court.

[S-T]

The coward cops should go join the Flori-Duh state police. They would fit in perfectly. Maybe they could get a locker next to Kathleen Grossett-Tate.

[Incident_command]

Question: arent Police academies teaching any martial arts to their students?

If not, then why?

Most teach the officer to have limited physical contact with a suspect. Thus the taser and the night stick. The acadamy in my county teaches 0 hours of any form of martial arts, and a few hours of boxing, wrestling, and basic self defence. If you couldn't fight prior to the acadamy, you aren't gonna be much better when you get out.

[Rink]

Geez you'd think they'd teach basic self defence and/or Martial arts training as a means of staying alive with some of these perps being so honkin huge and muscular, sometimes you dont always have the luxury or option to use a nightstick, tazer or even a gun, when a perp decides to nail a cop.

Saw a video once of a perp attacking a cop at this gated villa, the cop had no chance to his gun or tazer or nightstick, he had to fight hand-to-hand to subdue the lunatic who suddenly attacked him.

Gee you'd think Police Academies would understand this? as the ONLY way to cuff a perp esp a dangerous perp is to touch them which therein lies the possibility of a fight.

Relying solely on devices is lame, and cant always help in a lot of situations

Now another question offhand: What martial art style would you think be best for us older types that cant handle impact-style fighting? i.e. for a woman who wants to learn self-defence, and know how to protect herself from big perps that may attack them?

I tried TKD

[Incident_command]

Rink I have no idea how to answer that. Get a gun a tazer and a good dose of SA? Maybe Wolf could better than I.

SA= situation awareness

[Rink]

I definitely do my utmost to keep a definitive SA, as I have a seriously good eyesight that catches any and all movement no matter what and never misses a single thing no matter how small (I thank God for that)

Just wish I could find some sort of martial arts that isnt so hard on the joints, I tried TKD didnt agree with me, prefer Aikido but dunno any around here, I DO like the filipino Martial arts but dunno any around here and dunno how effective it may be in Real Life situations, I know the Israelis have their style of Martial Arts also. But I dunno whats appropriate for me and what I want of it.

PS: Sowwy bout hijackin this thread...

[Lubbock]

Rink, I've heard cops say that one of the best defenses a woman can use is a big wad of keys. You can do a lot of damage to an attacker's face with keys if they are held in the hand correctly.

As for myself, I'm partial to my little Beretta Cougar.

I know a handgun isn't a good choice for a lot of women, for a lot of reasons.

[Lubbock]

Also, Rink, have you ever carried mace or pepper spray as a defensive measure?

I never have. I know darned well I would end up spraying myself with it. I'm not afraid of having a handgun taken away and used on me, or of shooting myself. I can handle a gun, but pepper spray and mace?. I just know that I would shoot myself right in the eyes with it.

[Rink]

I have a gun a Glock 19 in 9mm only prob is its like carrying a brick, it isnt easily concealable for me right now.

Mace or pepper spray I would more likely get hit by it one way or another and with my asthma it would nail me harder than it would a perp.

Some of the things I look for out of martial arts would be concentration, peace of mind, getting into shape and relaxation (yea I know but when i used to do barn work the work may have been hard but its routine-ness was quite relaxing and kept me in decent shape.)

Not just to pound an attacker into the dust, the only thing I do not want out of a martial arts is to get hurt to the point of beung unable to function, what nailed me in TKD was I pulled a groin muscle so badly it took over a year for me to heal from it, bones just not able to take such high-impact style martial arts, and just wanted one i could afford and one thats street-wise and also would help me calm down, relax by and stay in shape and help my mental concentration better.

Thats all really.

[Lubbock]

Oh, I see. How about yoga? Isn't that stretching and bending and breathing and muscle toning, as well as requires a lot of mental concentration.

[Rink]

Yea but would Yoga help me protect and defend myself if contronted by a perp?

Cant always take the pistola with me... I do carry a nice switchblade in my purse thats within the 2 inch length, 9which many states require in order to legally carry em).

[DoctorDoom]

One fast-moving leg/knee + one targeted pair of balls = one perp rolling on the ground crying his fugging eyes out. Elementary math.

[Gonzo67]

From the article cited:
"Those female officers -- called PPOs in cop parlance . . ."

'nuff said.


LOL Don't take offense to what the article says. It's just a poor choice of phrasing. I know it says the Female officers are referred to as PPO's, but that doesn't mean that All Female Police Officers are called PPO's. Only those 2 women were called PPO's, because they both were "Probationary Police Officers". A Male rookie fresh out of the academy would also be called a PPO. There was no "sexist intent" to the term. Only poor phrasing by the reporter who wrote the story.

What I am wondering, and I have a PRETTY GOOD idea what the answer is, is just what you thought that first "P" stood for if the term was in fact derogatory in nature? :)

[ConspiracyBuff]

These women were most likely Dykes.....there I said it.

Doc Doom-
One fast-moving leg/knee + one targeted pair of balls = one perp rolling on the ground crying his fugging eyes out. Elementary math.
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Therefor they dont know too much about that area.

[Gonzo67]

These women were most likely Dykes.....there I said it.


Thats a pretty narrow minded statement, not to mention a somewhat ignorant one.

If you honestly feel that any strong, self assured woman has to be a Dyke, then I understand why every picture I see of you has been you alone, or you with nothing but guys (and one guy that looks a little light on the feet himself I might add). This may be the reason none of your pictures show you interacting with a female, as you apparently don't know very much, if anything at all, about them.

I happen to know quite a few women that are strong enough, tough enough, and empowered enough to tie your narrow ass into a pretzel without breaking a sweat. And I can assure you that they are FAR from being "dyke's".

I wonder if what I have heard, that all "conspiracy theorists" are just paranoid, delusional freaks who sit in the corner muttering and whimpering to themselves about people that aren't really there watching them. But then, we're willing to give you the benefit of the doubt.

You should be careful with your "broad generalizations". They accomplish nothing, only reveal ignorance levels.

[RightTurns]

I'm gonna get slammed I know, but here goes. Most female officers avoid getting involved in take downs on scene. We call them refs. They just seem to circle the take down until the bad guy hits the ground. You are formally slammed. What kind of place have you worked for in the past? Or are you just one of those males who disregard females as a fighting bunch?

Most female officers avoid take-downs?
You're out of your mind. Perhaps your firefighter smoke has gone to your head. Some of the female officers I work with are the best at scraps and takedowns.

But I gotta let y'all in on a big secret...many of them diffuse these situations better than the male cops. Imagine that, it didn't have to come to fisticuffs. Hmmm...

[HomeschoolrsRUs]

What I am wondering, and I have a PRETTY GOOD idea what the answer is, is just what you thought that first "P" stood for if the term was in fact derogatory in nature? :)

Gonna blow your socks off Gonz, but no, not at all. What I took offense to was "Those female officers". I am of the old-fashioned mind that I do not believe women should BE field officers in law enforcement, firefighting, or the military. Are there some who are competent, good at their job? I'm sure there are -- that's irrelevant to me. These fields require something special -- mentally, physically, and psychologically -- and to find the "right" woman with the qualities required to do the job as it should be done has not been a priority, imho, since allowing females into those professions. I feel the jobs have been, and continue to be, compromised by social engineering, and the attempt to quickly "fix" the "gender inequality" and in some cases (where it was obvious, and others where it was not so obvious) lives have suffered and/or been compromised. To me, women don't have to be in those particular professions on the front lines for things to be "equal" or "fair."

[RightTurns]

Oh jesus, help me God....
Tell me, which would you prefer after you've been physically assaulted by your husband....a female or male officer?

Which would you prefer after a rape?
A female or male officer?

PS. I've seen some female officers kick ass much faster and more efficient than any big, muscular male could. Please speak of what you know, and not what you envision.

[HomeschoolrsRUs]

Please speak of what you know, and not what you envision.

How presumptuous of you to assume that I am not speaking of what I know.

My grandfather was a firefighter, and owned his own business afterwards which worked with firefighters and law enforcement officers. My father has been in law enforcement all his life, and my Mother and he opened a branch of my grandfather's business and started in another city. My Uncle (Dad's brother, Grampa's other son), retired a Lt. Colonel. from the Army, and works with the military in a private business venture. My OTHER Uncle (Dad's other brother, Grampa's other son) was in the military, and after his honorable discharge went to work selling lifesaving equipment to firefighters and law enforcement (ever hear of the Hurst Tool -- otherwise known as the "Jaws of Life"?)

I suggest, if you don't like my opinion, that which was offered as a response to ANOTHER freecer's question, you avoid my posts. Personally, I don't give a rat's patoot what you think of my views. You lost any respect I might have given you on another thread when you chose to take the Lord's name in vain while advocating the censorship/silencing of Christians in school -- thou Christian thy name is hypocrisy.

[RightTurns]

And my father this and my mother this and my grandfather this and my grandmother that....doens't mean a hill of beans to me.

What I'm talking about is TODAY - out on the street.
And there are plenty of female officers out on the street who are kicking ass and doing what needs to be done. And I don't really give a rat's ass what you think about my taking the Lord's name in vain. That is my perogative and I see nothing in the rules of this forum that forbids it.

So kiss my patootie.

[Lubbock]

It would be nice if just once a Conservative could post an opinion here without having to be scolded by the Tolerant Left.

[HomeschoolrsRUs]

So kiss my patootie.

No thanks, I'm married, and not homosexually inclined.

[RightTurns]

It would be nice if just once a Conservative could post an opinion here without having to be scolded by the Tolerant Left. Yes it would.

[Incident_command]

Gonna blow your socks off Gonz, but no, not at all. What I took offense to was "Those female officers". I am of the old-fashioned mind that I do not believe women should BE field officers in law enforcement, firefighting, or the military. Are there some who are competent, good at their job? I'm sure there are -- that's irrelevant to me. These fields require something special -- mentally, physically, and psychologically -- and to find the "right" woman with the qualities required to do the job as it should be done has not been a priority, imho, since allowing females into those professions. I feel the jobs have been, and continue to be, compromised by social engineering, and the attempt to quickly "fix" the "gender inequality" and in some cases (where it was obvious, and others where it was not so obvious) lives have suffered and/or been compromised. To me, women don't have to be in those particular professions on the front lines for things to be "equal" or "fair."

There it is there RT. Consider this my reply to your daily dose of crap.

[RightTurns]

There it is there RT. Consider this my reply to your daily dose of crap. And you and all those female-doubters can take your daily dose of crap to a place where the sun don't shine.

It is people like you and HomeSchools who keep females down in this kind of work. That is nothing less than pathetic. What? Do you think that just because you are a male that you possess some kind of superior knowledge or ability?

Cave-man mentality?

Why don't you answer my questions?
If you were a woman who was raped, would you prefer a female or a male cop? If you were assaulted by your husband, would you prefer a female or a male cop?

Do you really want to know the menality of many male cops?
Pleeeze......you DO NOT WANT TO KNOW.

[Lubbock]

Add my ditto to Homes and Incident Command as my answer to your daily scold and dose of crap.

I'm up to here with it!

I can't wait until the issue of the Treasury Department monitoring money transfers as a way to track terrorists comes up, and you start a scold about civil rights being violated.

I don't know who I'm more afraid of: al Qaeda or the Lefty Libs who advocate "rights" for them.

[HomeschoolrsRUs]

There it is there RT. Consider this my reply to your daily dose of crap.

Thanks IC, http://www.freeconservatives.com/vb/images/icons/icon11.gif , glad to see I've got good peeps catching my back :thumb: .

[Lubbock]

To answer your "question", if I'm in a "situation", I don't care about the gender of the cop; I want a competent cop. I won't one who isn't going to run in the face of danger!

You question is crap.

[RightTurns]

Add my ditto to Homes and Incident Command as my answer to your daily scold and dose of crap.

I'm up to here with it!

I can't wait until the issue of the Treasury Department monitoring money transfers as a way to track terrorists comes up, and you start a scold about civil rights being violated.

I don't know who I'm more afraid of: al Qaeda or the Lefty Libs who advocate "rights" for them.What the hell does the Lefty Libs and al Queda have to do with cops?

[Lubbock]

Just pointing out that you and the rest of your ilk are on the wrong side of every issue!

Here's one more opinion for you to scold: Women's Lib has done more to harm women as a whole than any other Leftist Crap that has been foisted upon us.

Women's Lib has given us the "right" to never have to uphold any moral value.

When Women's Lib took hold, the moral values of this nation started swirling in the bowl.

Frankly, I've always been irate that some old, ugly fat lesbian thought she had the right to speak for me!

[Incident_command]

Rt, it's people like you that have destroyed public safety. In order to let females into the public safety all the physical standards had to be lowered. I still drill instruct so this I know about first hand.

Most of them couldn't do the 10 pullups so that part went out the door.
Pushups, cut way down.
Raising ladders alone, gone.
Pulling the 150 lb dummy, the dummy went on a diet and is down to 100lb
Advancing a charged 3-inch line, gone.
Just to name a few.

It's been 16 years since I was in the police academy so I only know second hand info which I won't comment on.

Remember all those lawsuits by those females who stated the testing wasn't fair and biased against women?

The police and fire academies' physical requirements are now a joke and the public pays for it.

[RightTurns]

This has nothing to do with Women's Lib.
Do you think I'm any fan of the femi-nazis?
I am telling you from personal experience that there are many female cops and firefighters out there who can kick ass just like their male counterparts.

If Incident Command disagrees, than his department probably has a ditz working for them or no females at all.

If HomeSchool disagrees, then I believe she is using her Christian submissive religion as a backdrop.

Questions?

[Incident_command]

If HomeSchool disagrees, then I believe she is using her Christian submissive religion as a backdrop.

Questions?

Nah that last comment told me all I need to hear from you. Now go out and buy a few Helen Reddy albums.

[RightTurns]

No, I'd rather you stick those albums up your "you know what" you condescending, chauvinistic a-hole.

I'm glad I don't work for a Florida agency. Obviously they haven't accended into the 21 century.

[Lubbock]

And both of them are going on what they either know or believe, which does not require a scold.

I'm going on the fact that Women's Lib has given us female cops on the street who freeze, then run in the face of danger.

That fact is not in dispute, either.

I don't think anyone would dispute that fact that there are female cops on the street who can handle themselves as well, if not better than men.

The fact that one of the three officers who ran in the face of danger in the article that is the subject of this tread is a male, tells you that it doesn't only happen to women.

That fact is not in dispute.

Nothing deserves a Lib Scold.

[Incident_command]

I'm glad I don't work for a Florida agency.

So is Florida

[RightTurns]

So is Florida And so is every Florida male.

[Lubbock]

" . . . And so is every Florida male. . . . "

<!-- / message --><!-- sig -->Well . . . hmmmmmm.

[RightTurns]

Ponder that thought. :)

[Kathy29]

Anyone who has seen that video on the news of the tiny female cop and the 7 foot tall arrestee draging her down the street trying to handcuff him cannot in any truthfulness think that all women make good police officers. If it had not been for some burly guy seeing her IN DANGER and stepping in to slap on the cuffs her body would be found dumped somewhere.

The problem isn't with the women. The problem is a bizarre and twisted concept of equality that has rotted to the point where it's toxic.

SOME women can take down a perp faster than SOME men. Toxic equality demands that we accept that because SOME women can, ALL women can. Little 5'1" 110 pound Suzie Q is to be considered as capable as 5'10" 175 pound Edna the karate expert. To achieve equality the standards were dutifully lowered so that Suzie Q had an equal chance.

The damage of toxic equality doesn't stop there of course. As a poison, it diffuses through the entire body. Once the standards are lowered, not only Suzie Q qualifies. So does the 5'1" metrosexual Ken Doll who is considered to be equally as qualified to take down 225 pound Bubba the escapee as the ex-linebacker.

It's called toxic equality. When the standards were being lowered to give the unqualified an equal opportunity as the qualified I had a conversation with a Judge over this very subject. She told me that this was going to end up with lots of dead bodies needlessly. The small and weak will either panic and use deadly force when brute force was required, or the small and weak would panic and run. The years have shown me how wise she was.

[RightTurns]

What about that 6'1" female cop we have working in one of my departments? Should we call her Attila the Hun-ess?

She could pound the crap out of any guy.

Generalizations regarding the genders leads to nowhere.

[HomeschoolrsRUs]

Anyone who has seen that video on the news of the tiny female cop and the 7 foot tall arrestee draging her down the street trying to handcuff him cannot in any truthfulness think that all women make good police officers. If it had not been for some burly guy seeing her IN DANGER and stepping in to slap on the cuffs her body would be found dumped somewhere.

The problem isn't with the women. The problem is a bizarre and twisted concept of equality that has rotted to the point where it's toxic.

SOME women can take down a perp faster than SOME men. Toxic equality demands that we accept that because SOME women can, ALL women can. Little 5'1" 110 pound Suzie Q is to be considered as capable as 5'10" 175 pound Edna the karate expert. To achieve equality the standards were dutifully lowered so that Suzie Q had an equal chance.

The damage of toxic equality doesn't stop there of course. As a poison, it diffuses through the entire body. Once the standards are lowered, not only Suzie Q qualifies. So does the 5'1" metrosexual Ken Doll who is considered to be equally as qualified to take down 225 pound Bubba the escapee as the ex-linebacker.

It's called toxic equality. When the standards were being lowered to give the unqualified an equal opportunity as the qualified I had a conversation with a Judge over this very subject. She told me that this was going to end up with lots of dead bodies needlessly. The small and weak will either panic and use deadly force when brute force was required, or the small and weak would panic and run. The years have shown me how wise she was.

Brilliant yet again, Kathy.

You vying for the POM, or what?

:thumb:

[Lubbock]

Toxic Equality. The best description I've ever heard. Knocked my socks off.

Thank you Kathy29.

What Kathy29 just gave us was not generalizations, but the unvarnished truth. Clear and concise.

I realize Lefty Libs have trouble with the concept of clear and concise, "gray-areas world" that they live in.

[RightTurns]

No, you have trouble with the concept of reality.
How many of you work with cops on a daily basis? Huh? Or are you just wishing your Kathy ideology on the rest of us who know better?

There are plenty of cops that I work with who would have no problem with their female counter-part backing them up in a volatile situation.

This toxic-equality crap is nothing but psycho-babble.
And your own biased minds won't even accept that.

[Incident_command]

Kathy hits on a good point, one I should have made better.
I have 0 problem with a female cop, firefighter, marine, what have you, as long as they can do the job. I hold men to the same standard.

[HomeschoolrsRUs]

If we are so bad, unreasonable, biased, sexist, et al, why are you still here? We didn't invite you here, and we'll do just fine without you when you're gone -- you won't be missed.

[Lubbock]

Honey, no one expected you to understand or agree.

We expected from you , just what we got.

[TechnoPrincess]

And you and all those female-doubters can take your daily dose of crap to a place where the sun don't shine.

It is people like you and HomeSchools who keep females down in this kind of work. That is nothing less than pathetic. What? Do you think that just because you are a male that you possess some kind of superior knowledge or ability?

Cave-man mentality?

Why don't you answer my questions?
If you were a woman who was raped, would you prefer a female or a male cop? If you were assaulted by your husband, would you prefer a female or a male cop?

Do you really want to know the menality of many male cops?
Pleeeze......you DO NOT WANT TO KNOW.

On both accounts male. Having lived thorugh both, I preffered the male cops I delt with to the female. ALL of the female officers I dealt with were condescending and rude, same for the female paramedic.

And for the record, it was the female cops who refused to testify against my ex because according to him 'I made him so mad that he couldn't control himself so he hit me' and they believed him. They felt that we were both responsible so they didn't even write up the report fully and told the SA that they didn't see a reason to prosecute. It was the male officer who interviewed me at the hospital who gave me the womens' shelter information and arranged for them to pick me and my son up and save us. My ex only hit me once before I left, and the female cops let him get away with it.

[RightTurns]

Kathy hits on a good point, one I should have made better.
I have 0 problem with a female cop, firefighter, marine, what have you, as long as they can do the job. I hold men to the same standard.That's not what you were advocating before.

[RightTurns]

If we are so bad, unreasonable, biased, sexist, et al, why are you still here? We didn't invite you here, and we'll do just fine without you when you're gone -- you won't be missed. Why do you follow me around? Leave me alone unless you have something to contribute to the debate.

[RightTurns]

Honey, no one expected you to understand or agree.

We expected from you , just what we got.Negative, honey. You read into what I say...what you expect. That's hardly being objective.
That I have a strong opinion is, well...I guess, looked down upon here. Is that true?

[RightTurns]

On both accounts male. Having lived thorugh both, I preffered the male cops I delt with to the female. ALL of the female officers I dealt with were condescending and rude, same for the female paramedic.

And for the record, it was the female cops who refused to testify against my ex because according to him 'I made him so mad that he couldn't control himself so he hit me' and they believed him. They felt that we were both responsible so they didn't even write up the report fully and told the SA that they didn't see a reason to prosecute. It was the male officer who interviewed me at the hospital who gave me the womens' shelter information and arranged for them to pick me and my son up and save us. My ex only hit me once before I left, and the female cops let him get away with it.So you're claiming that female cops can be just as biased as male cops. So what is your argument? That male cops are always more fair than females or that females can be just as biased as males?

[HomeschoolrsRUs]

Why do you follow me around? Leave me alone unless you have something to contribute to the debate.

Paranoid, much?

BTW, if you'll notice the red color of my screen name, that indicates that I am an Administrator of this board. It's my job to keep an eye on the threads. Sorry if this bothers you, there is a a solution though, and i'ts already been suggested (you can leave -- in case you weren't able to devine my subtle hint).

[RightTurns]

Paranoid, much?

BTW, if you'll notice the red color of my screen name, that indicates that I am an Administrator of this board. It's my job to keep an eye on the threads. Sorry if this bothers you, there is a a solution though, and i'ts already been suggested (you can leave -- in case you weren't able to devine my subtle hint). Or you can force me out with your Admin status. Go ahead. Be my guest. It would give me great pleasure to see a conservative actually censor a different point of view....something that conservatives argue against all the time.

[TechnoPrincess]

RT, you asked a question and I answered.

In MY experience the female cops have acted like they had something to prove and were more cocky. Maybe YOUR experience has been different.

Also, if I am being attacked by someone, I would prefer that the police officer responding be able to actually protect me, not become a victim as well.

[HomeschoolrsRUs]

Or you can force me out with your Admin status. Go ahead. Be my guest. It would give me great pleasure to see a conservative actually censor a different point of view....something that conservatives argue against all the time.

You really ARE paranoid.

I've in no way suggested that I was going to force you out. As long as you don't break board policy, you are free to post here and be as foolish, irrational, and ridiculous as you please. YOU were the one opining about how unreasonable WE are -- I was merely making a suggestion as to how to avoid the problem.

BTW, I am free to post in any of the threads, as are you. This hardly means I am following you -- I just happen to choose to respond in the threads which are hot right now.

[Incident_command]

That's not what you were advocating before.

Where?

[RightTurns]

Where?

Here, my firefighter and public safety friend:
Most female officers avoid getting involved in take downs on scene. We call them refs. They just seem to circle the take down until the bad guy hits the ground.

Do you usually just go with the flow? <!-- / message --><!-- sig -->

[Incident_command]

Here, my firefighter and public safety friend:


Do you usually just go with the flow? <!-- / message --><!-- sig -->

I'll type this slowly so even you can understand.

This comment pertains to the female who cant do the job . Not all . This is why the word MOST and not ALL was used . Try real hard in the future to not only read, but comprehend the material in front of you.

[Lubbock]

" . . . Most female officers avoid getting involved in take downs on scene. We call them refs. They just seem to circle the take down until the bad guy hits the ground. . . . "

I have had exactly one experience with a female cop. I watched from a block away while she stood with her arms folded as a 6'1" man grabbed a twelve year old kid by the neck and shook him like a rag doll.

I had been watching the scene because my son was involved in the incident that the police had been called for. It was over a pick-up football game on a vacant lot and an errant football.

I began walking toward the scene when I saw that the police officer didn't have the situation in hand, and was about a half a block away when the man grabbed the child by the throat.

Had it not been for my speed (I didn't know I had it in me) in getting there and landing on the man, knocking him to the ground, I don't know what would have happened to the child, because he was an undersize kid to start with. This huge man had the kid's feet off the ground, shaking him. The kid had red marks on his neck for a week.

You know what this little flip-tail police officer's solution to the incident was?

Put me in handcuffs.

Yeah. I was interfereing with a police officer in the commission of her duties.

You think we didn't have a free-for-all?

The little gal nearly lost her badge over the incident.

That happened over 20 years ago, and I've tended to view female police officers with a jaundiced since that time.

[HomeschoolrsRUs]

That happened over 20 years ago, and I've tended to view female police officers with a jaundiced since that time.

Lub,
My father has shared many a tale of difficulties much the same in the departments he worked.

[Lubbock]

Oh, and by the way, without going into all of the whys and wherefores, and who-shot-John, the officer left the scene with the football in her car.

Right hand to God! She took the football into custody!

My son and I still laugh over it today. He still refers to the incident as the day he learned his mother could fly.

[DesertFox]

Generalizations regarding the genders leads to nowhere.Sure they do. If we couldn´t generalize accurately, we couldn´t plan anything at all about anything.

No doubt there are some woman cops who are bad ass in a fight, but I don´t expect them to be and would never bet on a woman I don´t know in a fight with a man I don´t know. Women are smaller and weaker than men are, and less aggressive by nature. The .01 percent of women to whom these generalities do not apply are so few and far between as not to matter on a policy level. You can´t make policy based on a tiny number of exceptions.

There is certainly a place for women in police work, but not in places where we know violence with men is likely to erupt. It´s no different than the armed forces. Women don´t belong in combat for the same reasons they don´t belong in physically confrontational cop work involving violent men.

[HomeschoolrsRUs]

Shame on you DF . . . you're going to suffer the wrath of RT for your sexist attitude, :smirky: .

[Kathy29]

No, you have trouble with the concept of reality.
How many of you work with cops on a daily basis? Huh? Or are you just wishing your Kathy ideology on the rest of us who know better?

There are plenty of cops that I work with who would have no problem with their female counter-part backing them up in a volatile situation.

This toxic-equality crap is nothing but psycho-babble.
And your own biased minds won't even accept that.

That was quite the more innane and inappropriate post - possibly EVER.

[Kathy29]

You can´t make policy based on a tiny number of exceptions.



Why not? The whole point is, no one should make policy based on equality. That one percent of one percent should be allowed into the police, military or wherever else they want to be. IF they meet the standards. And not based on lowered standards either. Raise the standards and keep out the weak and unqualified no matter if they are male or female.

Those who don't make it can sit home with their feelings hurt.

[Rink]

How presumptuous of you to assume that I am not speaking of what I know.

My grandfather was a firefighter, and owned his own business afterwards which worked with firefighters and law enforcement officers. My father has been in law enforcement all his life, and my Mother and he opened a branch of my grandfather's business and started in another city. My Uncle (Dad's brother, Grampa's other son), retired a Lt. Colonel. from the Army, and works with the military in a private business venture. My OTHER Uncle (Dad's other brother, Grampa's other son) was in the military, and after his honorable discharge went to work selling lifesaving equipment to firefighters and law enforcement (ever hear of the Hurst Tool -- otherwise known as the "Jaws of Life"?)

I suggest, if you don't like my opinion, that which was offered as a response to ANOTHER freecer's question, you avoid my posts. Personally, I don't give a rat's patoot what you think of my views. You lost any respect I might have given you on another thread when you chose to take the Lord's name in vain while advocating the censorship/silencing of Christians in school -- thou Christian thy name is hypocrisy.

Bless ya Homes!!! You said what I had been thinking throughout this entire thread!! BRAVO!! BRAVO!!! :claps: :claps: :claps:

You are SPOT on with that, AMen Sister Homes!!! :thumb:

[Rink]

I do think RT is in denial of reality, the reality of the situation is the vast majority of women just cannot physically do the jobs they enter into, and because they entered into those jobs the professions know the vast majority of women cannot physically do the jobs their standards ask them to do (which has been asked of men and are standards proven to be safe and effective in those professions, Firefighter and Policeman) They went about Lowering their standards in order to allow more women into the ranks in order to satisfy whining, screaming bitchin feminists who want women to be equal to men and went out of their way to prove it by hammering every profession that required upper body physical strength to do into accepting and admitting women into their ranks.

By lowering their physical standards they not only put the women in those professions at risk of injury or death, but they also put the entire public at risk of injury or death due to these women's inability to physically do what is needed to be done in order to carry out their jobs.

RT is in denial of this reality, a reality that he cannot change and mentally feels ALL women can do just the same physical labor as ALL males, which is a myth.

I for one am a realist, I cannot lift things that weight over 100 pounds, I know this, I'd ruin my backside and kill myself, I am a realist knowing I am physically unable to handle a 200+ pound honkin huge male without SOME kind of help or aid, thats why for a woman like me, when it comes to self protection, the gun is an equalizer.

In the professions of Firefighter or Policeman, BOTH professions require a LOT of physical strength at times, esp Firefighters, as if mr RT hasnt read anything, when 911 happened, those firefighters had to go UP Stairs with 100+ pounds worth of firefighting equipment, up ALL those floors.... a woman could NOT have done it, a woman would have had Mr Firefighter#2 handle HER load Plus HIS load in order to carry out the job she was tasked to do, which is Extremely detrimental to the safety of the public at large and shortens the available manpower needed to save lives, All because of Political Correctness lowering the phsyical standards upon which applicants must take in order to enter such professions.

It endangers the women, it endangers their partners and it endangers the public to lower such physical standards.

RT needs a good dose of reality.

He's definitely in absolute denial of this, as many here have tried to explain this very thing to him and he just doesnt get it.

[HomeschoolrsRUs]

RT needs a good dose of reality.

He's definitely in absolute denial of this, as many here have tried to explain this very thing to him and he just doesnt get it.

Lest you suffer the indignation of RT, I should point out that RightTurns is a "she" not a "he," or at least that's what she claims to be. Of course, she also claims to be a conservative, but if a tree is known by the fruit it bears, her fruit is extremely bitter and not at all conservative sweet. :smirky:

[Rink]

Well for what its worth 'She' is in total denial and I think 'she' takes the idea that most women cannot do these types of physical labors as a personal affront.

As I do understand a woman would not want to be told, 'You cant do that' when they feel if given the chance they possibly could, but the reality of it is MOST cannot.

And physically being built the way women are physically speaking, women just do NOT have the sufficient upper body strength in order to carry out the tasks that these two professions require for their safety, the publics safety as well as their own partners safety as well.

And by saying most women cannot do it, you are in an indirect way telling RT that she cannot do it also and she is bothered by that reality.

I used to be that way in my youth till I came to the understanding of reality, when I was young I could not get my big western saddle up on my 16+ hands tall appaloosa, my brother had to do that FOR me because being only one year older than I am and being only 5 inches taller than I as a male he could do what I could not do, lift that heavy Western saddle up on the backside of my horse, otherwise I could do most of the other stuff.

I did not like that but that is when reality hit me I cannot always physically do the things I wish to do, as the older I gotten the more I realize my limitations and the more I accept it.

RT is in denial of that reality right now and has NOT realized what I have come to understand.

[Kathy29]

The reality is, that sometimes brute force is called for and most women cannot deliver. The other reality is, once police departments banned the choke hold, the weaker ones, men and women, have no choice but get the s**t kicked out of them, shoot to kill, or run and hide.

[Gonzo67]

There's really no need for a fight, since in a sense, BOTH sides are correct.

What RT fails to realize is that no one is saying "Women CAN NOT do the job".

I too agree that Women SHOULD be allowed to perform as Police officers, as Fire Fighters, as Combat Soldiers. But the standards of their "enlistment" should be uniform with the standards the men are held to.

This "dumbing down" of the requirements does not help anyone. It allows a person that could not otherwise handle a situation they may be exposed to, to be put in harms way, purely for the sake of maintaining an "image of equality".

Right Turns, be honest, would you want an armed felon, high on PCP or something worse, pointing a loaded shot gun to your head? In your current physical condition, do you feel that you could handle disarming that suspect and take him into custody if he was just over 6 foot tall, weighing about 245 lbs?

If the answer is no, you don't think you'd be able to handle it, just keep in mind there are women that are probably in a little worse physical condition than you, women that would have LESS of a chance of even HOPING to pull that off, that WILL get into the academy because they are not required to perform at the same physical level as their male counterparts.

It's THOSE women that should not be on the force.

But in my opinion, if a woman comes along, and can compete against the other men and women in their class, on a LEVEL field. Where the men and women are required to do the same number of push-ups, same number of pull-ups, run the same number of miles, box and wrestle bot men AND women, and STILL feel as if she wants to do that job, then I say she BELONGS in that job.

The funny thing about that "Womens Lib" movement... Everyone keeps saying that it was about "Equality". Which is flat out utter horse shit. It was NEVER about "Equality". If it WAS about equality, things would have been EQUAL. Not higher expectations for one group, lower the expectations for another but still allow them the same benefits as the first... There's nothing "equal" about that.

To march along waving the "Womens Lib" banner, in my opinion, is nothing more than standing up and shouting... "I'M A WOMAN, SO YOU MUST GIVE ME THE SAME AS A MAN GETS, BUT I GET IT WHILE PERFORMING AT A LOWER STANDARD!". The womens lib movement only stated that women were incapable of competing with a man on a level playing field.

Don't get me wrong, I do not feel that women cannot compete. And As I am not God, and didn't create man or woman, I cannot be held responsible for the simple fact that thee are some things that men are inherently better and more equipped to do than women. It's not sexist, it's a simple fact of nature. Granted, there ARE some women who ARE capable. But don't expect us to lower the bar for those that are NOT capable and call them "equal". It's just not true.

And if you disagree with me on this one, no problem at all, I'll leave ya with a simple thought. Next time you go to the bathroom, how about you piss standing up and tell me how dry a WOMAN can keep the seat.

[Rink]

I agree with 100% of what you have stated Gonzo.

Thanks.

[Wolfcounsel]

"What about that 6'1" female cop we have working in one of my departments? Should we call her Attila the Hun-ess?

She could pound the crap out of any guy." --RightTurns

She must be either a martial artist or she is built like King Kong.:evilgrin:

[True Grace]

And if you disagree with me on this one, no problem at all, I'll leave ya with a simple thought. Next time you go to the bathroom, how about you piss standing up and tell me how dry a WOMAN can keep the seat.

Obviously you have never seen the P-Mate!

http://www.goyourway.net/p-howtouse.html

Talk about women trying desperately to be men! :rolleyes:

Personally, I believe men and women are different for a reason. I think women should be soft and submissive and feminine. We should be at home keeping the fires burning for our men, not out trying to become men.

Put that in your pipe and smoke it, RT!

[Lubbock]

True Grace just hit the nail on the head: men and women are different for a reason.

That is the thing that has always bothered me about Women's Lib. A bunch of old fat, ugly lesbians never understood that God made men and women different for a reason.

[Wolfcounsel]

"Obviously you have never seen the P-Mate!" --True Grace

I have. That's a little like the stencil for women who want to write their name in the snow.

[ConspiracyBuff]

Thats a pretty narrow minded statement, not to mention a somewhat ignorant one.

If you honestly feel that any strong, self assured woman has to be a Dyke, then I understand why every picture I see of you has been you alone, or you with nothing but guys (and one guy that looks a little light on the feet himself I might add). This may be the reason none of your pictures show you interacting with a female, as you apparently don't know very much, if anything at all, about them.

I happen to know quite a few women that are strong enough, tough enough, and empowered enough to tie your narrow ass into a pretzel without breaking a sweat. And I can assure you that they are FAR from being "dyke's".

I wonder if what I have heard, that all "conspiracy theorists" are just paranoid, delusional freaks who sit in the corner muttering and whimpering to themselves about people that aren't really there watching them. But then, we're willing to give you the benefit of the doubt.

You should be careful with your "broad generalizations". They accomplish nothing, only reveal ignorance levels.

Hahaha...First of all there Gonz all your pictures are with your Mom, and she doesnt count as having interaction with a girl, or yourself, so take a good look in the mirror. Dont be a hippocrite. Second that was an obvious joke and no i dont "honestly" think all strong women are lesbo's, it was in reference to a post in a past thread- your the ignorant one. Anyways these werent strong women you idiot, they ran from the scene, have you even read the story? Or did you just post to give advice to people here about PPO's and my joke? I love women cops, they can frisk me anytime....

Third My girlfriend is in my pictures pal, why dont you check my profile pic, or better yet the picture thread where I have pictures of/with my girlfriend- get a clue. Garanteed she is a better women then youve ever had, Im sure mommy is wonderful and all. I also explained if you know how to read that one of my roomates was gay and he is in some of the pictures because we didnt shun him to the corner.

Next I am not a conspiracy theorist i have already explained the reason for my SN but you can think what you like, I agree with your generalization of a "PCT", I assure you I am far from that, thanks for the "benefit of the doubt" guy. It means a whole lot to me.

Its clear from your picture and posts that you are a redneck and act like one so I would suspect such an outburst. Ill refrain from any "generalzations" about your type because I dont need an enemy and up to now I respected you.
Oh by the way, your fourth paragraph makes zero sense. Its starts with "I wonder if what Ive heard.." but fails to make a point or any sense grammatically.
Seems to me your the ignorant one, you dont know me so dont try to critique me, I notice you have a habit of doing that to people here. Go write another a hate letter to the priest who marches at funerals against Homos or watch the History channel, leave me alone Zo.

[ConspiracyBuff]

Kathy29-Anyone who has seen that video on the news of the tiny female cop and the 7 foot tall arrestee draging her down the street trying to handcuff him cannot in any truthfulness think that all women make good police officers. If it had not been for some burly guy seeing her IN DANGER and stepping in to slap on the cuffs her body would be found dumped somewhere.

Saw that, although it would have taken like at least 3 average size dudes to stop that monster. Given, that women was useless.

[Kathy29]

Saw that, although it would have taken like at least 3 average size dudes to stop that monster. Given, that women was useless.

Not really because a man passing by offered assistance and took that suspect down in 30 seconds and put him in handcuffs. When the police have to get assistance from some good samaritan citizens, the police are in real trouble.

[ConspiracyBuff]

Not really because a man passing by offered assistance and took that suspect down in 30 seconds and put him in handcuffs. When the police have to get assistance from some good samaritan citizens, the police are in real trouble.

Yes but the citizen was rather large and he had the element of surprise on his side. Agreed that they are in trouble if they need help from regular citizens, but at least we have good samaritans.

[Wolfcounsel]

"Saw that, although it would have taken like at least 3 average size dudes to stop that monster. Given, that women was useless." --ConspiracyBuff

If it's the Georgia video, the creep looks like Napoleon Dynamite, and you say it would have taken three average-sized dudes?:evilgrin:

[ConspiracyBuff]

But in my opinion, if a woman comes along, and can compete against the other men and women in their class, on a LEVEL field. Where the men and women are required to do the same number of push-ups, same number of pull-ups, run the same number of miles, box and wrestle bot men AND women, and STILL feel as if she wants to do that job, then I say she BELONGS in that job.


Agreed. Way to stay on task.

I would say that if they have a women she should have a male cop for a partner, I havn't heard this solution posted yet. I would say that having 2 women would not be the brightest thing to do. I think a women could complement the man well and it would be a formidable duo. I have seen this on COPS many a time. It makes it so that certain situations dealing with women and other type of problems geared more toward a female can be handled while at the same time the male cop serves as a stabilizer and "holds it down"; in my opinion this is the best solution.

[Wolfcounsel]

What a male Soldier is required to do (WWII days), should be the level of training that any police officer, male or female, has to maintain. It's a tough job, and doughnut eaters need not apply.

[ConspiracyBuff]

I wonder do they prefer Starbucks or DD?

[Wolfcounsel]

"I wonder do they prefer Starbucks or DD?" --ConspiracyBuff

Here they prefer krispy kremes.
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[ConspiracyBuff]

Ahhh...makes sense, the most fattening.

[ConspiracyBuff]

If it's the Georgia video, the creep looks like Napoleon Dynamite, and you say it would have taken three average-sized dudes?:evilgrin:<!-- / message -->

Haha...well then. It is possible I am thinking of a different episode altogether, the video i saw the guy was preety massive.

[RightTurns]

The small and weak will either panic and use deadly force when brute force was required, or the small and weak would panic and run. The years have shown me how wise she was. But it was the original (male) cop who used deadly force and snuffed the perp. Is he small and weak?

The cops that were fired (females) were on probation.
The same would have occured if they had been two male cops.

The third cop (male) who ran away was not on probation, therefore, not fired (yet).

Your argument - that standards are being lowered and resulting in toxic equality - could be used against you. Could it be that standards are being changed in an effort to NOT automatically disqualify good candidates for the job?

Those of you who argue that men and women are different is a no-brainer also. But should we automatically disqualify males as gynecologists and obstetricians just because they don't have a uterus?

[True Grace]

Ah....you're back. I figured the DU wouldn't let you out of your cage until at least Monday.

[Timberwolf]

Your argument - that standards are being lowered and resulting in toxic equality - could be used against you. Could it be that standards are being changed in an effort to NOT automatically disqualify good candidates for the job?
The argument is if you're not qualified for a job, why should you be given one because a bunch of screeching harpies say so? I have, nor does anyone here, have a problem with any woman (or man) holding ANY job they so choose, as long as they can do exactly WHAT EVERYONE ELSE is expected to do. That means, if you have to do 100 push ups and be able to lift 150 lbs., no exceptions are made in order to merely fill a quota that is based on gender, race, whatever. If it means you have to disarm and handcuff a 200lb freak, same thing applies...either do it or be disqualified from consideration for the job.

Those of you who argue that men and women are different is a no-brainer also. But should we automatically disqualify males as gynecologists and obstetricians just because they don't have a uterus?
<!-- / message --><!-- sig -->Good grief, woman...get a grip on reality.

What in the world does your analogy have to do with ANYTHING being discussed....besides nothing, that is.

[True Grace]

Those of you who argue that men and women are different is a no-brainer also. But should we automatically disqualify males as gynecologists and obstetricians just because they don't have a uterus?

That has to be the most bizarre leap I have ever seen in a debate. :question:

[RightTurns]

Ah....you're back. I figured the DU wouldn't let you out of your cage until at least Monday. What's a DU?

[Antigone]

She's known for them thar gigantic leaps True Grace. Remember the leaps being made in the 12 year olds getting married thread? I think when she runs out of hyperbole she heads for that technique. :)

[Kathy29]

That really is bizarre!

Since many women lack the physical strength to be a beat cop (detective is okay) a more appropriate analogy would be men who lack hands should have to qualify to be gynecologists and obstretricians.

See how easy that was!

[RightTurns]

The argument is if you're not qualified for a job, why should you be given one because a bunch of screeching harpies say so? I have, nor does anyone here, have a problem with any woman (or man) holding ANY job they so choose, as long as they can do exactly WHAT EVERYONE ELSE is expected to do. No, the argument is about the actual qualifications for getting the job, not if one is qualified or not. If the actual qualifications for getting a cop job is that you're built like Bubba the linebacker, then little Miss Suzy Q need not apply. And Suzy Q could have been an excellent cop with proper tactical training. Same for metrosexual Ken.

[RightTurns]

Since many women lack the physical strength to be a beat cop (detective is okay) a more appropriate analogy would be men who lack hands should have to qualify to be gynecologists and obstretricians. But women who lack hands do not have to qualify?

[Timberwolf]

But women who lack hands do not have to qualify?
The Vet dropped you on your head when you hatched, didn't he? Or have you just been hittin' the bottle a bit too much lately?

FTR, we laugh AT you, not with you. I've not seen such inept attempts at analogy in all my years as a netizen...and I've seen quite a lot. A better one would be that a man wouldn't be qualified to be a surrogate mother or something else that actually makes sense.

Either get off the sauce or start taking your meds...something. You're embarrassing yourself, but I doubt you even realize it.

[DesertFox]

Those of you who argue that men and women are different is a no-brainer also.Just to get it straight: Are you saying men and women are not different? :question: But should we automatically disqualify males as gynecologists and obstetricians just because they don't have a uterus?Not a person in this thread has mentioned sexual equipment but you. No one has even suggested that anyone should not be a cop because she has indoor plumbing.

What everyone BUT you has talked about is the general huge difference in strength between men and women. Or are you going to deny that, too? :question:

[Wolfcounsel]

"What's a DU?" --RightTurns

That's the forum I call Dumbasses Underground.

[Gonzo67]

No, the argument is about the actual qualifications for getting the job, not if one is qualified or not. If the actual qualifications for getting a cop job is that you're built like Bubba the linebacker, then little Miss Suzy Q need not apply. And Suzy Q could have been an excellent cop with proper tactical training. Same for metrosexual Ken.


If you want an answer to something, why not ask a clear question? Everyone has been answering and responding to what you APPEAR to be asking in your post, but then you respond to their answer telling them they're avoiding your question.

Problem is, I have YET to see an actual QUESTION from you. Just allot of half assed contradictions to any point anyone makes.

I'll make it simple for you...

NO ONE SAYS A WOMAN SHOULD NOT BE A COP.

We're simply saying that if a man is required to do 200 push ups, 200 pull ups, and beat the shit out of a 200 lbs. coked up biker, then a WOMAN should be required to do EXACTLY THE SAME THING to get the job.

Currently, the standards and requirements for women are LESS than the requirements for men for becoming police officers.

What that does is put a woman in a job for which she is not equipped.

Now, I've made it as simple as I can. If this does not answer your question, I'm sorry, since I, nor I doubt anyone else posting here has ESP, we don't know what the fuk you want to know since you wont actually ASK a question, you just simply bitch that no one answers the question you didn't ask.

I can't make it any more simple, I haven't learn to type in dumbshit yet. So, ask a CLEAR QUESTION, and you'll get an answer.
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[HomeschoolrsRUs]

I can't make it any more simple, I haven't learn to type in dumbshit yet. So, ask a CLEAR QUESTION, and you'll get an answer.
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Hey Gonz -- I think DocDoom has some kind of translator thingy that translates text into different "languages" . . . he might have one that translates into that, :smirky: . I know he can translate into troll speak . . . or maybe it's computer chat lingo, something like that :biggrin: . And I think Beo or Rink can translate into Klingon, http://www.freeconservatives.com/vb/images/icons/icon6.gif

[Rink]

Klingon
Yiddish
Hebrew/Aramaic
Quenya (elvin language)

LOL

[Riverboat]

NO ONE SAYS A WOMAN SHOULD NOT BE A COP.<!-- / message --><!-- sig -->Sorry to be the one out on a limb, but I'm saying so. I'll also add that women do NOT belong in the military. I'm not speaking for anybody but myself, so if my views are offensive to Right Turns (as I'm sure they will be) or anyone else, well, you can be thankful I'm a definite minority.

[ConspiracyBuff]

Dumb shit In Czech =.... Hloupé hovno.


P.S.- Zo would you like to adress my response to your ill-informed insults?A simple yes with response, or no would do the trick.

[Gonzo67]

P.S.- Zo would you like to adress my response to your ill-informed insults?A simple yes with response, or no would do the trick.



Well, I was willing to ignore your comments as you know nothing of what you speak, but it's apparent all you're attempting here with this latest post is spoiling for a fight. So in response:



First of all there Gonz all your pictures are with your Mom, and she doesnt count as having interaction with a girl, or yourself, so take a good look in the mirror. Dont be a hippocrite.


All? Try ONE. If that is too difficult a concept, try counting on your fingers... here, I'll show you....

http://webpages.charter.net/gonzo367/bushfinger.jpg

There, thats ONE...Ok, you get the concept of counting now? Can we continue? One picture with my mother, thats because it was her Birthday, I care about family above all else, and now, since she's had a stroke, and is in a wheel chair, with the left half of her body paralyzed, I prefer to remember her how she was. So if you have some sort of problem with people that care about their family, thats just something you'll have to work through on your own Skippy.


Second that was an obvious joke and no i dont "honestly" think all strong women are lesbo's, it was in reference to a post in a past thread- your the ignorant one.


Ok, vocabulary time... don't use a word unless you know what it means.

OBVIOUS: Easily perceived or understood; quite apparent. Easily seen through because of a lack of subtlety; transparent.

It was not OBVIOUS, since you made NO INDICATION that it was a joke, or a comment made in jest. No smiley face, no little emote or any other indication of irony. Remember, this is a TEXT forum, not a voice one. We can't hear inflections or changes in your typing. I suppose when you type about something that really pisses you off you hit the keys on the keyboard REALLY HARD so we KNOW you're angry? Get with the times Scooter... Changes in vocal patterns don't register her.


Anyways these werent strong women you idiot, they ran from the scene, have you even read the story? Or did you just post to give advice to people here about PPO's and my joke?


I never said the two women that ran WERE "Strong Women". Though I do admit that the way I worded my post would lead you to believe that is what I meant, so I'll give you that one. That was a wording error on my part. But for the record, no, I do not consider the two female officers that ran to be "strong women". I feel that they were justly fired. And yes, I DID read the article. And I read every post made in the thread ABOUT the article. And if you remember, there was also a MALE officer who tucked tail and scooted away like a coward as well. So while you were pinning the "dyke" label on the female officers, where is your scorn for the "little queen bitch" that lead the retreat?


Third My girlfriend is in my pictures pal, why dont you check my profile pic, or better yet the picture thread where I have pictures of/with my girlfriend- get a clue. Garanteed she is a better women then youve ever had, Im sure mommy is wonderful and all. I also explained if you know how to read that one of my roomates was gay and he is in some of the pictures because we didnt shun him to the corner.


Again with the attempted "mommy slam"... get some new material. Why don't you tell me she wears combat boots... or better yet, how about you tell me how your mom can beat up my mom? :) Oh well, I explained that already, so let's move on...

The pictures you posted in the "picture thread" have been changed, what, is it two or three times now? When I read that thread, the pictures I saw of you were ALL male. You with a few different males. The first batch you posted didn't have any females that I saw. If I missed one, or didn't notice, thats possible. Since I don't spend every waking moment in a quest to find out all I can about you, I more than likely just gave a quick look at the pics you posted, as I did with the pics everyone else on that thread posted. After all, there's what, 30+ or more pages in that thread if I remember correctly? With time at premium, I have to admit, I did not make it a point of spending 20 minutes on each persons post to study each picture of them in an attempt to sear the images of every user here that posted into my brain. You're a decent enough guy and all, as far as I can tell from the majority of your posts, but I don't know you personally, so knowing every facet of your life is not very high on my list of priorities.

Having never met your girlfriend, I'll just have to take you're word that she's all you say she is. Though at my age, I will say that I've dated, gone out with, been intimate with, etc, more WOMEN than you'll probably ever have the pleasure of knowing in your entire life. When you get close to having 40 years on your head, come back and tell me more of your "life experience". Until then, try to live a little life first.

As for your "gay roommate", I was not referring to him. Unless that was him in a different picture I saw. And I wasn't saying anything "bad about gay people in general. I have a few friends that are gay. Though we have an understanding... they don't give me details about what they do at home, they don't flaunt their "gay" in front of me, and they don't expect me to give them a kiss goodbye, and I do the same in return. They know I don't agree with "homosexuality", but they also know I don't dislike them nor "shun" them because they are "homosexual". So again, speak of what you know.


Next I am not a conspiracy theorist i have already explained the reason for my SN but you can think what you like, I agree with your generalization of a "PCT", I assure you I am far from that, thanks for the "benefit of the doubt" guy. It means a whole lot to me.


Ok, I had to go back and read my post to figure this one out. Again, this one was my fault. As I stated before, as busy as my life is, when I type a post, I usually have about 30 other things going on that I am working on, doing, taking care of, etc. the line:


But then, we're willing to give you the benefit of the doubt.


Was supposed to read:

But then, we're willing to give THEM the benefit of the doubt.

When I make a post, I type it in, and then run the spell check on it. Spell check did not alert me to that error since "you" was spelled correctly.

I was not attempting to say YOU were a "conspiracy theorist", I was merely using an analogy that you would understand and relate to being a "conspiracy BUFF". So, I'll have to give you that one as well, since the misunderstanding resulted from my use of the wrong word.


Its clear from your picture and posts that you are a redneck and act like one so I would suspect such an outburst. Ill refrain from any "generalzations" about your type because I dont need an enemy and up to now I respected you.
Oh by the way, your fourth paragraph makes zero sense. Its starts with "I wonder if what Ive heard.." but fails to make a point or any sense grammatically.
Seems to me your the ignorant one, you dont know me so dont try to critique me, I notice you have a habit of doing that to people here. Go write another a hate letter to the priest who marches at funerals against Homos or watch the History channel, leave me alone Zo.


Ok, I had to quote this last block all as one, because it's just choked full of inconsistencies, I hardly know where to begin....

Ok, in the third paragraph, you correctly inform me that I don't know you, so I should not try to critique you... yet in the FIRST paragraph, you apparently DO know me, as you've figured out, without ever having met me, that I am a red-neck, and you know how I act in public... hmmm, hypocrisy at it's finest perhaps?

For you're information, I am FAR from a red-neck. "Free Spirit" may be more closer to the mark. I dress how I want to dress, not what the latest fashion dictates, nor what my friends are wearing. I do the things I like to do.. not "whats popular in main steam society" or what others around me think is fun. As far as I can tell, most "Red Necks" enjoy NASCAR (which I despise), they enjoy "Professional Wrestling" (which I feel is a total joke and simply watching it will lower your IQ 30 points per minute). So as you can see, right from the start, my "Red Neck Credibility" has fallen drastically. So, in your own words, you don't know me, don't try to critique me. :) ... moving on...

In the second paragraph of that quote, you tell me that at one point I didn't make any sense. And you're correct. Again, as I told you, typing fast, multitasking, etc, if it can't be captured by spell check, it is possible a mistake will get away from me.

Where I said I wonder if what I heard... It was supposed to read:

I wonder if what I heard is true...

Spell check didn't inform me that I left off the rest of my thought. But, here we have you yet again displaying your immense hypocrisy. You want to attempt to use grammatical errors to prove your superiority, yet you're fighting the battle unarmed. Myself, when I call a person on their post, I call them on what they SAY, I don't "nit pick" at spelling errors. I don't call them an idiot because they spell the word THEIR as "thier", but yet there's far too many people here who seem to feel they just HAVE to pick shit apart, and apparently, you want to join their ranks. So lets start picking some posts apart shall we?


and she doesnt count


There's an apostrophe in the word DOESN'T. Try using punctuation, thats what it's there for.


Dont be a hippocrite


Again... DON'T.. appostrophy... once is an oversight, twice is just plain lazy. And so you know, the word HYPOCRITE has a "Y" in it. Spell check, it's a wonderful thing.


and no i dont "honestly" think all strong women are lesbo's,


hmmm DON'T.... I know you're not afraid of USING the apostrophe, since you used it in the word "lesbo's". So whats the excuse? You just DON'T know there is supposed to be one in that word? You screwed it up once in the first 3 sentences of your post. Twice is lazy... 3 times? We're approaching stupidity.


these werent strong women


Ok, finally, a new word... WEREN'T Perhaps it's just because you DON'T know the proper usage.. when combining two words, like WERE NOT into one word, such as WEREN'T, the apostrophe takes the place of the "O" in NOT. It's the same as when you combine words like DO and NOT into DON'T. Now, this does not only happen for the letter "O". Notice when I used the word "IT'S" that is: IT and IS combined into IT'S. The apostrophe now replaces the letter "I". Ok, you follow? LET'S (LET and US combined into LET'S) continue...


Third My girlfriend is in


Just a small note, the "M" in the word "my" should not be capitalized. Of course, a spell checker would not likely have pointed that out, since the word is spelled correctly. Though, judging by the missing apostrophes through out your post, I'm willing to assume you don't use a spell checker.

Here's some great advice for you. If you're going to spend time nit-picking about grammatical mistakes in OTHER people's post, you really should get yourself a spell checker... It will make you appear less foolish. It's kind of silly to attempt to verbally slam someone about grammatical errors when your own post slamming them is RIDDLED with mistakes.

I will not continue to highlight and point out all your grammatical mistakes through out your post, since to do so would take FAR too long. But let me just leave you with one final point:

it's SO not "ZO" There's an S there. If you need to, you can LOOK at the keyboard when you type, we won't know.

Now, as you seemed to form an inaccurate assumption, I'll clear it up for you now. I don't consider you an "enemy". Nor do I hate, dislike, or even so much as "think negatively" of you in any way. I disagreed with a comment you made, nothing more. Life is far too short to hate, and the world is so full of people more worthy of my scorn and hatred. There are really very few people I can honestly say that I "hate". Such a strong emotion as that I reserve for people like Osama bin Laden, Saddam Insane, and the Kennedy Klan. (Misspelling of "Clan" intentional, used to equate them with the hate group KKK). Dislike, being a lesser form of "hate" I also reserve for the truly deserving... like Hollywood notables that can't keep their noses where they belong, and arrogant, self righteous and egotistically bloated gas bags like George Clooney, Rush Limbaugh, etc..

So trust me, you'd have to REALLY screw up before I would say that I even "dislike" you. Don't equate me not liking something you say with not liking you.

With me, there is no "guessing". If I think you're a slimy piece of shit, rest assured, I will not sugar coat it. I'll tell you exactly that. Until then, don't "assume" anything.. you know what the say about it... "Never assume, when you do, you make an ass out of Uma Thurman."

So, is that the response you were looking for? I know it's not a "simple yes or no", but it'll have to do. After all, you know us obnoxious red-necks, always running off at the mouth...

[Rink]

I predict this thread will be heading to the Flame Wars here very soon.

Oya now for the 'dumb-shit' references

Klingon - 'QIp-nach' (Stupid-head)

Yiddish (gotta love this one) 'Dumshtik drek' (Dumb-Shit-head)

[Unity]

Kathy hits on a good point, one I should have made better.
I have 0 problem with a female cop, firefighter, marine, what have you, as long as they can do the job. I hold men to the same standard.

Exactly. Succinct, reasonable, I love it. ;)

Anecdotally speaking, I did a brief stint working as a volunteer EMT for a couple of months before I schlepped off to Europe. (Bear with me for a moment. I know the thread is about police officers, but EMS works closely with the police force and it's on that basis that I've had the most interaction with cops.) My experience with female EMTs and cops was more or less the same as my experience with their male counterparts: some were c*nts, some were friendly, some were brilliant at their job, and others were terrible. The exception came when a female coworker of mine pulled me aside and warned me that should I pursue EMS as a career, I would ALWAYS have to deal with those people who assumed that I would be bad at my job because I was female. Women in physical, male-dominated careers are under more pressure than most people realize; every good female cop, firefighter, or EMT/medic suffers twice for the damage done by bad apples.

The only notable experience I had with a female cop was when one planted herself physically between me and an aggressive patient who was getting more belligerent by the moment- even though the officer in question was no bigger than I am. Thank heavens that in Pennsylvania, police officers are dispatched to medical calls as well. I could have hugged her for her willingness to put herself in danger for my sake, but that's the police for you. I would have felt absolutely the same if she had been male.

Right Turns, if I may ask, what do you do for a living? You say you have a lot of experience with the police, but from the way you've been speaking I gather you're not a cop yourself. :)

[ConspiracyBuff]

Oh Gonz.....

Well, I was willing to ignore your comments as you know nothing of what you speak, but it's apparent all you're attempting here with this latest post is spoiling for a fight. So in response:


Actually an Apology would have been nice. It's beyond you I can tell.

Ok, vocabulary time... don't use a word unless you know what it means.
OBVIOUS: Easily perceived or understood; quite apparent. Easily seen through because of a lack of subtlety; transparent.


It's obvious you think your some sort of English teacher. Was that proper usage Mr.Zo? For your information, I teach English as a foreign language. I know the meaning and it was quite clear, obvious in fact, that I was joking. Now, I planned on posting a more logical and thoughtful post-which I did-in the near future.

So while you were pinning the "dyke" label on the female officers, where is your scorn for the "little queen bitch" that lead the retreat?


The joke was only relevant to the women cops. See in a past thread I mentioned how all the female Cops in my town are Dykes. When i posted that little allusion here I didn't realize you would be offended, sorry.

Before you say it, next time I will think about it because someone may be offended.

The pictures you posted in the "picture thread" have been changed, what, is it two or three times now? When I read that thread, the pictures I saw of you were ALL male. You with a few different males. The first batch you posted didn't have any females that I saw. If I missed one, or didn't notice, thats possible. Since I don't spend every waking moment in a quest to find out all I can about you, I more than likely just gave a quick look at the pics you posted, as I did with the pics everyone else on that thread posted.

Well, Gonzo I'm sure you went back and noticed your mistake. Seeing as how every "batch" had females and none of them were by myself. Which I might add, isn't possible since someone had to have taken the picture. My girlfriend is with me in some of them, and others it is just her. Sure some are just friends that are guys but what's your point? Oh there wasnt one?

See you cant just admit that you attempted to label me as a loner, PCT who doesn't get girls. The problem was the evidence you cited was contradictory and ignorant at best. Since you only, to your own admittance, breezed through the thread you shouldn't go around like your some sort of expert on it, referencing it to prove some casual but nonetheless insulting argument.

, I did not make it a point of spending 20 minutes on each persons post to study each picture of them in an attempt to sear the images of every user here that posted into my brain.

Well Golly Jee, I would hope you had better things to do with your time.

Having never met your girlfriend, I'll just have to take you're word that she's all you say she is. Though at my age, I will say that I've dated, gone out with, been intimate with, etc, more WOMEN than you'll probably ever have the pleasure of knowing in your entire life. When you get close to having 40 years on your head, come back and tell me more of your "life experience". Until then, try to live a little life first.


I dont remember saying she was all that. However, I was a little ticked and so maybe I made some sort of implication. I know your 40 years old, I'm sure you've had girls, but you are the one with the insults and I was just responding. Why are you quoting "life experience" Mr. English? I never used those words. Quoting them implies that I said them.

They know I don't agree with "homosexuality", but they also know I don't dislike them nor "shun" them because they are "homosexual". So again, speak of what you know.
From Last Post

If you honestly feel that any strong, self assured woman has to be a Dyke, then I understand why every picture I see of you has been you alone, or you with nothing but guys (and one guy that looks a little light on the feet himself I might add). From First Post

Seems a little bit contradictory, I'm not surprised though. You were trying to imply that I'm gay because i was in a picture with a person who looks "light on the feet". Don't lie. So now we have: Im gay, Alone, A PCT and I dont interact with girls.


Originally Posted by CB
Its clear from your picture and posts that you are a redneck and act like one so I would suspect such an outburst. Ill refrain from any "generalzations" about your type because I dont need an enemy and up to now I respected you.


Gonzo-Ok, in the third paragraph, you correctly inform me that I don't know you, so I should not try to critique you... yet in the FIRST paragraph, you apparently DO know me, as you've figured out, without ever having met me, that I am a red-neck, and you know how I act in public... hmmm, hypocrisy at it's finest perhaps?


Hmmm... how does "pictures and posts" turn into into me telling you how you act in public? Im just referring to on this forum. You have admitted that your a redneck anyways. As a matter of fact you admitted it on the picture thread to Teenager, I remember it vividly for some reason, maybe because after seeing your pics, it just clicked. I didnt think you were ashamed of that, you seem proud.

I dress how I want to dress, not what the latest fashion dictates, nor what my friends are wearing. I do the things I like

You sound like a real pioneer. Im preety sure everyone does the things they like Zo.

Originally Posted by CB
Anyways these werent strong women you idiot, they ran from the scene, have you even read the story?
This is what I said......in response to this...
If you honestly feel that any strong, self assured woman has to be a Dyke,
To which you have now claimed.....

I never said the two women that ran WERE "Strong Women".

Then again you gave that one to me already.
And you're correct. Again, as I told you

Yup, thanks.

Here we go...
Myself, when I call a person on their post, I call them on what they SAY, I don't "nit pick" at spelling errors. I don't call them an idiot because they spell the word THEIR as "thier", but yet there's far too many people here who seem to feel they just HAVE to pick shit apart, and apparently, you want to join their ranks.

Vrooop, ok back to the real world. Lets be realistic, shall we? My post was 5 paragraphs long only talking about 'what you said'. The only mention of grammar wasnt even having to do with "spelling" ahaha or the word "their", can you please cite that for me? Or wait, Ill do it for you.

Underlined is the only part about grammar:

ConspiracyBuff-
Hahaha...First of all there Gonz all your pictures are with your Mom, and she doesnt count as having interaction with a girl, or yourself, so take a good look in the mirror. Dont be a hippocrite. Second that was an obvious joke and no i dont "honestly" think all strong women are lesbo's, it was in reference to a post in a past thread- your the ignorant one. Anyways these werent strong women you idiot, they ran from the scene, have you even read the story? Or did you just post to give advice to people here about PPO's and my joke? I love women cops, they can frisk me anytime....

Third My girlfriend is in my pictures pal, why dont you check my profile pic, or better yet the picture thread where I have pictures of/with my girlfriend- get a clue. Garanteed she is a better women then youve ever had, Im sure mommy is wonderful and all. I also explained if you know how to read that one of my roomates was gay and he is in some of the pictures because we didnt shun him to the corner.

Next I am not a conspiracy theorist i have already explained the reason for my SN but you can think what you like, I agree with your generalization of a "PCT", I assure you I am far from that, thanks for the "benefit of the doubt" guy. It means a whole lot to me.

Its clear from your picture and posts that you are a redneck and act like one so I would suspect such an outburst. Ill refrain from any "generalzations" about your type because I dont need an enemy and up to now I respected you.
Oh by the way, your fourth paragraph makes zero sense. Its starts with "I wonder if what Ive heard.." but fails to make a point or any sense grammatically.
Seems to me your the ignorant one, you dont know me so dont try to critique me, I notice you have a habit of doing that to people here. Go write another a hate letter to the priest who marches at funerals against Homos or watch the History channel, leave me alone Zo.<!-- / message --><!-- sig -->

Wheres the nit-picking? Or did you just run out of things to say yourself and decide to "join the ranks"? Considering the rest of your post is "nit-picking" at my laziness for not using an apostrophe....you get the point don't you?

By the way, who else have I nit-picked on? Can you cite it for me? To my knowledge I have dont it once, to Beowulf and he was quite appreciative. Once again, get a clue. Dont be a hypocrite (thanks for the correct spelling Mr.Spell Check). I usually have very few spelling mistakes and no, I never use spell check because I am good at spelling and I don't try to use words if I can't spell them, unlike some people.

It will make you appear less foolish. It's kind of silly to attempt to verbally slam someone about grammatical errors when your own post slamming them is RIDDLED with mistakes.

Once again I wrote one sentence (out of 5 paragraphs) which was in reference to one grammatical mistake you made because it made no sense, thats justified. I wanted to know what you meant. You cleared it up and you admitted you meant something different from what was stated, so you should be thankful. Instead you are trying to use it as a tool for criticizing but it makes you look foolish.

I will not continue to highlight and point out all your grammatical mistakes through out your post, since to do so would take FAR too long. But let me just leave you with one final point:

it's SO not "ZO" There's an S there. If you need to, you can LOOK at the keyboard when you type, we won't know.


Be honest ZO, you found every single mistake you could find, why lie about it."Well if I had the time, you know I'm a very busy guy and all, multi-tasking and what not, then I would point out all the grammatical mistakes but.........." BLAH- You pointed them all out and if there was more you would have kept going.

Next i wasn't saying, so, I was saying Zo, yes thats with a Z, it's not a mistake. It's Zo as in Gon[zo], get it?

There was no mistake or assumption, I never said you were an enemy; I said I didn't want to generalize so as not to form an enemy. I find most of your posts to be quite amusing or interesting. We have talked a length about various topics, which is why your insult struck me as odd and I needed to clear it up. I will try not to make sweeping generalizations, even if I am kidding (I should have used a joke emocon). I hope you can realize you were wrong too.

[Lubbock]

With all due respect, why don't y'all two take your private battle to private messages? Slapping at each other in public doesn't further the discourse on the subject matter, and it's really rather boring.

[ConspiracyBuff]

Your probably right. But I like to beat my opponents for the world to see that way you attack their pride too....that was a joke Gonzo before you have a temper tantrum....:)

Sorry Lubbock. Although Im preety sure you've had some slobber knockers on threads...you know- taking out Right Turns in 4 consecutive rounds, not sure why she bothers to keep getting up. I think she was KO'd recently though.

[ConspiracyBuff]

Or I could just go with the immature....."HE STARTED IT":)

[Lubbock]

God Almighty, don't I have enough problems refereeing my grandsons?

He started it!!! LOL

[RightTurns]

Interesting that nobody has disputed the crux of my argument, post #98:


But it was the original (male) cop who used deadly force and snuffed the perp. Is he small and weak?

The cops that were fired (females) were on probation.
The same would have occured if they had been two male cops.

The third cop (male) who ran away was not on probation, therefore, not fired (yet).

Your argument - that standards are being lowered and resulting in toxic equality - could be used against you. Could it be that standards are being changed in an effort to NOT automatically disqualify good candidates for the job?

[RightTurns]

The Vet dropped you on your head when you hatched, didn't he? Or have you just been hittin' the bottle a bit too much lately?
Cute. You still haven't responded to this:

No, the argument is about the actual qualifications for getting the job, not if one is qualified or not. If the actual qualifications for getting a cop job is that you're built like Bubba the linebacker, then little Miss Suzy Q need not apply. And Suzy Q could have been an excellent cop with proper tactical training. Same for metrosexual Ken.<!-- / message --><!-- sig -->

[RightTurns]

Just to get it straight: Are you saying men and women are not different? :question: Not a person in this thread has mentioned sexual equipment but you. No one has even suggested that anyone should not be a cop because she has indoor plumbing.

What everyone BUT you has talked about is the general huge difference in strength between men and women. Or are you going to deny that, too? :question: No, I'm not saying that men and women are not different. I said it's a no-brainer.

Yes, there is an huge difference between the strength of men and women. And there is a huge difference between actually experiencing what's it's like to menstruate, be pregnant and deliver a baby. So why should we put our confidences in male doctors who have NEVER experienced any of that? Because they can learn and train. The same thing that females can do in order to compete with Bubba the linebacker cop. Do you disagree with that?

[RightTurns]

"What's a DU?" --RightTurns

That's the forum I call Dumbasses Underground.I'm not familiar with that forum so I apologize for my ignorance.

[True Grace]

Yes, there is an huge difference between the strength of men and women. And there is a huge difference between actually experiencing what's it's like to menstruate, be pregnant and deliver a baby. So why should we put our confidences in male doctors who have NEVER experienced any of that? Because they can learn and train. The same thing that females can do

Are you telling me a doctor has to experience a brain tumor before he can operate on one?

Eh....never mind. Apparently I can't read. Thank God you aren't as bad as I thought for a moment. :rotflmbo:

But your example still makes no sense. There's a huge difference between intellect and brute physical strength. Women can learn and train, but they will never be as physically strong as men. That's just the way the cookie crumbles!

[Kathy29]

No. Suzy Q should not get the job, she's small and weak and only puts her life and the lives of fellow officers (not to mention the suspects) at risk. Neither should the Ken Doll for the same reasons.

Right Turns, the police who RAN AWAY knowing they were useless has a lot more smarts than you do. That's why they RAN AWAY!

[RightTurns]

Are you telling me a doctor has to experience a brain tumor before he can operate on one?

You line of reasoning is makes absolutely no sense. But I can't say I'm surprised. :rolleyes: You know, your little quips about me is like water falling off my back.

Does a female cop have to "experience" a beating from a big-bubba-perp before she can take him down with a tazer, a stungun, etc?

[RightTurns]

No. Suzy Q should not get the job, she's small and weak and only puts her life and the lives of fellow officers (not to mention the suspects) at risk. Neither should the Ken Doll for the same reasons.

Right Turns, the police who RAN AWAY knowing they were useless has a lot more smarts than you do. That's why they RAN AWAY! So Suzy Q puts the lives of fellow officers (male) who are the same size as them (males) in danger? What's your proof?

Those that ran away included a male. Care to respond to that?

[True Grace]

You know, your little quips about me is like water falling off my back.

Please excuse me while I wipe this cold, lonely tear from my eye....

Does a female cop have to "experience" a beating from a big-bubba-perp before she can take him down with a tazer, a stungun, etc?

Why in the world does a woman need to be taking down anyone with a tazer, stungun, etc?

Why are so many women so desperate to be men?

[RightTurns]

Right Turns, if I may ask, what do you do for a living? You say you have a lot of experience with the police, but from the way you've been speaking I gather you're not a cop yourself. :) No, I'm not a cop, although I went to school to become one. Turned out I have a degenerate eye disease that sorely affects my depth perception. Not very cool when driving a squad car. Therefore, I work behind the scenes at 911. Been working with cops, firefighters and EMS for a quarter of century.

[RightTurns]

Why in the world does a woman need to be taking down anyone with a tazer, stungun, etc?

Why are so many women so desperate to be men? Uhh, for the same reason that male cops take down perps with tazers, stunguns etc.

As far as their desire to be men, give me a break.
They have a desire to be cops. Period. Your submissive female attitude is nothing less than...weird.

[True Grace]

Your submissive female attitude is nothing less than...weird.

You think God's Word is weird?

Let me let you in on a little secret. God didn't give you a penis. Deal with it.

[Kathy29]

No, I'm not saying that men and women are not different. I said it's a no-brainer.

Yes, there is an huge difference between the strength of men and women. And there is a huge difference between actually experiencing what's it's like to menstruate, be pregnant and deliver a baby. So why should we put our confidences in male doctors who have NEVER experienced any of that? Because they can learn and train. The same thing that females can do in order to compete with Bubba the linebacker cop. Do you disagree with that?

Again your comparisons are wrong and generally worthless.

A male doctor can never learn and train to menstruate, be pregnant and deliver a baby. NEVER. EVER. They learn vastly different things and train on vastly different things. A woman who has had 11 children is not going to inherently know how to repair a fistula just because she had `` children! You cannot honestly imagine you are serious. A weak female is NEVER EVER going to pick Bubba the Linebacker up and throw him against the wall the way Bubba is going to do with her.

I don't know how many times defendants and suspects have to beat up on female police officers before we finally do away with toxic equality. One would think that the guy who wrestled the gun away from that female officer in the courthouse and escaped would be enough. But NOOOOO, the little twit who needed a passer by to rescue her should have been enough but NOOOOO. Female officers as well as male officers are trained to tackle and bring down an escaping suspect. Have you ever seen one of these smaller women do that? It's by the book, and the suspect drags the cop off. He's shaking his leg trying to shake her off, like a dog with a pesky flea, and she's hanging on screaming her head off for help.

Not every person can do whatever they feel like doing. A 5 foot guy is never going to be an NBA basketball player. No matter how perfectly he dribbles. A deaf from birth person is never going to sing opera at the Met. We need to stop forcing these square pegs into the round holes and give up on increasingly bizarre concepts of equality.

[RightTurns]

You think God's Word is weird?

Let me let you in on a little secret. God didn't give you a penis. Deal with it. Is this a religious forum or a conservative forum? You're twisiting everything around to your fundamentalist religious crap is no way to debate a topic.

BTW, where has God ever said that one needs a penis to compete in this world?

[True Grace]

Is this a religious forum or a conservative forum? You're twisiting everything around to your fundamentalist religious crap is no way to debate a topic.

BTW, where has God ever said that one needs a penis to compete in this world?

Ha! That's funny! A self-proclaimed Christian thinks God's Word is weird, and I am accused of twisting crap.

Seriously, RT, why the bitterness? Has your penis envy overshadowed your sense?

[HomeschoolrsRUs]

Not every person can do whate