Patsy Ramsey Has Passed Away

[Longhorn_Platinum]

:unsmile: Just announced on Fox News. JonBenet's mother is dead.

[Lubbock]

I've been watching this breaking new story all over the internet, and watching comments at different sites.

My opinion will probably be unpopular, but I never believed John and Patsy Ramsey had anything to do with that little girl's murder.

It was a stranger-killing.

[Un Con Troll Able]

It must have been hell for them to lose their daughter and then be thought widely of as being her killer.

[Wolfcounsel]

I think three people were involved, including the son. It's a pedophile case turned more rotten. My opinion.

[DesertFox]

I agree with Wolfie, but since it´s his opinion, he can defend it against all the shouters. :evilgrin:

[DeclinetoState]

I think three people were involved, including the son. It's a pedophile case turned more rotten. My opinion.This case must drive libs mad, since they haven't yet found a way to blame it on Bush.

Or have they?

[Beowulf]

I'm still leaning in the direction of it was the mother and father who killed the little girl. I guess only God will know. Should be interesting to see what he decides for her.

[brilliantLiberal]

I do not believe she was innocent. There were too many irregularities, too much depravity. Those people were, at best, sick and were most likely murderers.

[Incident_command]

I think three people were involved, including the son. It's a pedophile case turned more rotten. My opinion.

Could be. I dont know for sure but I lean that way too.

What they are guilty of without a doubt, is dressing up a child to look like a high dollar call girl, and then having her act like one also.


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[Republican_Legion]

I think it was a simple case of "Celebrity Parent Syndrome" where the parents are obcessed with making their child/children become 'stars' and often abuse them or put them in dangerous atmospheres.

Drew barrymoore(parents put her around drugs), Tatum Oneil(dad molested her), Melanie grifith(Tatum Oneils dad molested her), Michael Jackson(his dad probally molested him), Corey Feldman(another child star who was molested), Macali Colkin(parents use him as source of income and he was known to be with Mjackson), Gary Coleman(another tale of greedy parents using kid as income).

The Ramseys I suspect the dad was a pedophile and possibly the mom and I suspect the mom got jeolous and killed the girl. What the Hell kind of parents does that with a kid by dressing them up as a hooker ?

[HooverWasRight]

Republican (NiFong) Legion :rolleyes:

[Republican_Legion]

Republican (NiFong) Legion :rolleyes:

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And what was hoover right about ?

[Lubbock]

I knew my opinion would not be the same as most of you. That's okay.

Here's what I believe: someday the DNA recovered from the child's undergarments will be matched. A pedophile will slip up and his DNA will end up in a data bank and the DNA will be matched.

Doesn't make me right. Doesn't make me wrong. It's just what I believe.

What follows is Lou Smit's letter to Alex Hunter when he resigned from the investigation. Remember, Smit was hired by the DA's office in an effort to clear up the mess that the Boulder police had made of the case. Lou Smit was stonewalled at every turn by the police deaprtment, and finally he quit.

Here's the letter.

Dear Alex:

It is with great reluctance and regret that I submit this letter of resignation. Even though I want to continue to participate in the official investigation and assist in finding the killer of JonBenet, I find that I cannot in good conscience be a part of the persecution of innocent people. It would be highly improper and unethical for me to stay when I so strongly believe this.

It has been almost 19 months since we talked that day in your office and you asked me to assist you in this investigation. It has turned out to be more of a challenge than either one of us anticipated. When we first met I told you that my style of approaching an investigation is from the concept of not working a particular theory, but working the case. Detectives collect and record information from many sources, analyze it, couple that with their experience and training and let "the case" tell them where to go. This process may take days, weeks or years, depending on the direction the case tells you to go. Sometimes you must investigate "many paths" in order to find the killer. It is not a political speed contest where expediency should outweigh justice, where "resolving" the case is solving the case.

Alex, even though I have been unable to actively investigate, I have been in a position to collect, record and analyze every piece of information given to your office in the course of this investigation. I believe that I know this case better than anyone does. I know what has been investigated and what hasn't, what evidence exists and what doesn't, what information has been leaked and what hasn't. I am a detective with a proven record of successful investigations. I have looked at the murder of JonBenet Ramsey through the eyes of age and experience and a thorough knowledge of the case.

At this point in the investigation "the case" tells me that John and Patsy Ramsey did not kill their daughter, that a very dangerous killer is still out there and no one is actively looking for him. There are still many areas of investigation which must be explored before life and death decisions are made.

When I was hired I had no agenda one way or the other, my allegiance was to the case, not the Police Department nor John and Patsy Ramsey. My agenda has not changed. I only desire to be able to investigate the case and find the killer of JonBenet and will continue to do so as long as I am able. The chances of catching him working from the "outside looking in" are very slim, but I have a great "Partner" who I'm sure will lead the way. There is no doubt that I will be facing a great deal of opposition and ridicule in the future, because I intend to stand with this family and somehow help them through this and find the killer of their daughter. Perhaps others who believe this will also help.

The Boulder Police Department has many fine and dedicated men and women who also want justice for JonBenet. They are just going in the wrong direction and have been since day one of the investigation. Instead of letting the case tell them which way to go, they have elected to follow a theory and let their theory direct them rather than allowing the evidence to direct them. The case tells me that there is substantial, credible, evidence of an intruder and lack of evidence that the parents are involved. If this is true, they too are tragic victims whose misery has been compounded by a misdirected and flawed investigation, unsubstantiated leaks, rumors and accusations.

I have worked in this profession for the past 32 years and have always been loyal to it, the men and women in it, and what it represents, because I believed that justice had always prevailed. In this case, however, I believe that justice is not being served, that innocent people are being targeted and could be charged with a murder they did not commit.

The law enforcement Code of Ethics states it very well. My fundamental duty is to "serve mankind; to safeguard lives and property; to protect the innocent against deception, the weak against oppression or intimidation, the peaceful against violence or disorder. To respect the constitutional rights of all men to liberty, equality and justice." This applies not only to JonBenet but to her mother and father as well.

I want to thank you and the others in the office for the wonderful support and treatment I have received. You have a great DA's office and the men and woman who work with you are some of the most honest and dedicated people I have ever met. My life has been enriched because of this memorable time together. I have especially enjoyed working closely with Peter Hofstrom and Trip DeMuth, who also have dedicated so much of their lives to this case. I have never met two more fair, honest and dedicated defenders of our system.
Alex, you are in such a difficult decision. The media and peer pressure are incredible. You are inundated with conflicting facts and information, and "expert" opinions. And now you have an old detective telling you that the Ramseys did not do it and to wait and investigate this case more thoroughly before a very tragic mistake would be made. What a double travesty it could be; an innocent person indicted, and a vicious killer on the loose to prey on another innocent child and no one to stop him.
History will be the judge as to how we conducted ourselves and how we handled our responsibilities.

Shoes, shoes, the victim's shoes, who will stand in the victim's shoes?

Good Luck to you and your fine office and may God bless you in the awesome decisions you must soon make.

Sincerely,
Detective Lou Smit
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[HomeschoolrsRUs]

I knew my opinion would not be the same as most of you. That's okay.

Here's what I believe: someday the DNA recovered from the child's undergarments will be matched. A pedophile will slip up and his DNA will end up in a data bank and the DNA will be matched.

Doesn't make me right. Doesn't make me wrong. It's just what I believe.

Lubbock, you're not out in the field by yourself, I too do not believe the parents were involved. Call it a gut feeling, or whatever, but of all the coverage I've seen and the different "investigations" and what has been leaked (deliberately and/or accidentally), as well as my firm belief that the case was mishandled from the get-go, leads me away from the parents (no matter how dysfunctional, weird, and suspicious acting).

My ONLY desire for this situation, is that one day the truth will come out. IF it is found that the dad (and/or mom) had anything to do with it, Mr. Ramsey should be prosecuted and held accountable (do they have the death penalty in Colorado?), and/or ANYONE having anything deliberately to do with this heinous act.

[Longhorn_Platinum]

:unsmile: I recall a retired investigator coming out of retirement, to help with the case. He found evidence of a break-in through a cellar window, that was previously overlooked, as well as other clues that seemed to indicate the perp was not a family member. I'm with those who believe in the Ramseys's innocence.

[Wolfcounsel]

"Here's what I believe: someday the DNA recovered from the child's undergarments will be matched. A pedophile will slip up and his DNA will end up in a data bank and the DNA will be matched." --Lubbock

Has any other little girl around the Colorado area been molested and murdered since JonBenet, and her murderer not been found?

From early in the morning to later that afternoon, no search was made of the house. Why?

Anyway. There are more discrepancies, and a different thread might be needed. I have no feeling about Patsy's death. May JonBenet rest in peace.

[HooverWasRight]

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And what was hoover right about ?

Isn't that a bit of a stretch. I mean you've got the father cho-moing on the little girl with the ole lady watching...You have no evidence.
Just like Nifong in the Duke case.

[Republican_Legion]

Isn't that a bit of a stretch. I mean you've got the father cho-moing on the little girl with the ole lady watching...You have no evidence.
Just like Nifong in the Duke case.

I never implied it was "proven fact" and never once said theres evidence.
I stated it was what I believed happend and if you cant understand that then I suggest you shut your trap and return to the DU.





PS: What was hoover right about ?

lol

[Wolfcounsel]

"He found evidence of a break-in through a cellar window, that was previously overlooked, as well as other clues that seemed to indicate the perp was not a family member. I'm with those who believe in the Ramseys's innocence." --Longhorn_Platinum

The (not-in-a-hurry) ransom kidnapper(s) leaving the sexually-molested body inside the house still with the noose around the neck, the duct tape on JonBenet's mouth with Patsy's hair on it, Burke's identified voice at the end of the 911 call by Patsy ("What do we do now, mom?"), after Patsy told police Burke was still asleep. The "break-in" could have been done by the father. Please google the timeline yourselves, or don't.

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[Peachdiane]

As a parent, it pains me to quickly point the finger to other parents who lost a child. But, I don't believe for a minute the parents were completely innocent. There's so many mixed stories they gave (the pineapple, etc) and the police got no cooperation whatsoever from the Ramsey family, who very quickly circled the wagons, hired lawyers, etc.

I have a good relationship with the local police and I just think had it been one of my children, I'd be doing everything in my power to cooperate and help them, not hinder. Just my thoughts.... they know and the secret went with the mom.

R.I.P. JonBenet

[RightTurns]

I'm sorry to hear of her passing and don't think that any politics need be invovled.

Those who think otherwise, can just read about Fred Phelps war and his protests against the deaths of military personnel.

[HooverWasRight]

I never implied it was "proven fact" and never once said theres evidence.
I stated it was what I believed happend and if you cant understand that then I suggest you shut your trap and return to the DU.
PS: What was hoover right about ?

lol

That's pretty big talk, don't yah think?

Perhaps you could report me to Naturalized Texan and he can ban me. LOL

[Lubbock]

" . . . I'm sorry to hear of her passing and don't think that any politics need be invovled.

Those who think otherwise, can just read about Fred Phelps war and his protests against the deaths of military personnel. . . . "

That wins the ward for the dumbest post of the month. Perhaps the entire year. It's certainly the dumbest thing I've seen in the short time that I've been a member of this community.

It'll take some doin' to top that.

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[RightTurns]

" . . . I'm sorry to hear of her passing and don't think that any politics need be invovled.

Those who think otherwise, can just read about Fred Phelps war and his protests against the deaths of military personnel. . . . "

That wins the ward for the dumbest post of the month. Perhaps the entire year. It's certainly the dumbest thing I've seen in the short time that I've been a member of this community.

It'll take some doin' to top that. Then why don't you add it to your avatar or personal quote or something?

ANY conservative who wishes for the demise or ill-will on a famliy dealing with a death, in no conservative that I wish to deal with.

Patsy Ramsey is dead. What more do you want?

[Lubbock]

Are you drunk?

What in the world are you talking about?

" . . . ANY conservative who wishes for the demise or ill-will on a famliy dealing with a death, in no conservative that I wish to deal with. . . . "

Are you drunk or on crack?

Or are you just nuts!?!

" . . . Then why don't you add it to your avatar or personal quote or something? . . . "

What are you talking about?

[RightTurns]

Are you drunk?

What in the world are you talking about?

" . . . ANY conservative who wishes for the demise or ill-will on a famliy dealing with a death, in no conservative that I wish to deal with. . . . "

Are you drunk or on crack?

Or are you just nuts!?!

" . . . Then why don't you add it to your avatar or personal quote or something? . . . "

What are you talking about? Why don't you grow up and smell the flowers?

[Lubbock]

Why don't you try reading this thread from the first post to the last?

[BEST45CAL]

I just remember that initial investigation being conducted by a bunch of clowns. But the most glaring thing that still sticks in my mind about that whole thing, is that there were no footprints in the snow leading to or from the residence. Plus, the Ramseys hired an attorney before anybody else knew little Jon Benet was dead.

[Lubbock]

Just for the record:

After Jonbnet was autopsied, the Boulder police refused to release her body for burial until one or the other of the Ramseys "confessed" to the murder. They held the child's body hostage, in other words. That's when the Ramseys were advised by a family friend who just happened to be an attorney, to hire a criminal attorney.

In the initial days after the murder, there was so much false reporting, so much was put out that was just pure speculation, and even more pure fabrication on the part of the medida. It stuck.

The only thing I can equate it to is the Elizabeth Smart abduction. The media [and the public] had everyone in the Smart family convicted. So much was pure fabrication. Example: one of the uncles had a computer full of child pornography [lie], thus he had murdered the girl; neither assertion by the media was true.

Had that little girl not been found alive, people would believe to this day that someone in the Smart family had killed her.

I'm not saying the Ramseys did it. I'm not saying they didn't. I'm just saying that you have to sift fact from fiction, and there has been way too much fiction that has surrounded this case.

Geraldo Rivera was the worst offender.

[Rink]

I'm not even gonna speculate on this, as we ALL could speculate till doomesday and never truly get to the truth of the matter.

So I withhold my opinion over the Ramsays, their child is dead and now the mother is dead.

Nuff is enough.

I wont say my POV as to who is or isnt 'guilty' I'm not a juror, they arent in a court of law now, and this is moot.

Moot untill someone gets a lead from somewhere, untill then.... again its moot to speculate all over the place on this.

[HomeschoolrsRUs]

The sad part is a little girl was brutally murdered, a family was forever damaged (regardless of whether they did it or not), and now her mother died a horrible death. http://www.freeconservatives.com/vb/images/icons/shake000.gif

[TechnoPrincess]

The sad part is a little girl was brutally murdered, a family was forever damaged (regardless of whether they did it or not), and now her mother died a horrible death. http://www.freeconservatives.com/vb/images/icons/shake000.gif

Exactly HMS!

[Republican_Legion]

That's pretty big talk, don't yah think?

Perhaps you could report me to Naturalized Texan and he can ban me. LOL

Are you here for anything other then trying to piss people off ?

[HooverWasRight]

Are you here for anything other then trying to piss people off ?

Well......

[Longhorn_Platinum]

:unsmile: That's a very deep subject.

[True Grace]

For anyone who has cable, this looks like it might be interesting.

http://www.courttv.com/onair/shows/specials/jonbenet_anatomy_of_a_cold_case.html