Italy's Materazzi admits insulting Zidane

[DeclinetoState]

Fox Sports (http://msn.foxsports.com/soccer/story/5775564)
MILAN, Italy (AP) - Marco Materazzi admits he insulted Zinedine Zidane before the France captain head-butted him in the World Cup final. Materazzi denies calling him a "terrorist."

"I did insult him, it's true," Materazzi said in Tuesday's Gazzetta dello Sport. "But I categorically did not call him a terrorist. I'm not cultured and I don't even know what an Islamic terrorist is."Sure, you don't.

[CzechPrince]

I like Zidane a lot as a player, I was shocked at what he did, but from the reports of the Italian player calling him, "The son of a terrorist dirty whore," I can't say I blame him. Zidane has always had a classy, upstanding reputation.

[BEST45CAL]

I like Zidane a lot as a player, I was shocked at what he did, but from the reports of the Italian player calling him, "The son of a terrorist dirty whore," I can't say I blame him. Zidane has always had a classy, upstanding reputation.

Even if that's what the Italian said, it's still not a good excuse or reason.

If anyone would know about the "head games" (no pun intended) and other forms of intimidation that professionals play with each other, it would be Zidane. After playing for as long as he has, I'm sure he's heard every dirty name and insult in the book. So the for him to say that he headbutted the Italian for calling him names is an extremely lame excuse. I think Zidane's bull$hitting about that because that makes him sound like a fcukin' child on a playground crying to his teacher. Trying to shift the blame of losing the game from himself and put it on the Italians.

I do, however, believe that he was frustrated with the game because they could only manage one goal and he just lost his cool. I don't think it would have mattered what the Italian said to him because the Italian was making (taunting, intimidating) physical contact with Zidane just before the headbutt. I think the headbutt was more of a "keep your fckin' hands to yourself" kind of thang.

IMHO

[Republican_Legion]

Zidane should have been playing for the Algerian team.
How many french were actually on team france ? 2...1...0 ? ROFL

Then there was the penalty kick in the first few minutes of the game that clearly wasnt supposed to happen after 1000 replays before and after the game, but the french got lucky none of the refs saw it and france scored a goal. Had france not gotten that free goal they most certainly would never have made it to overtime.

Towards the end the Algerians(France) dominated control of the ball and Italians were running 'Tired' but managed to hold out with their Legionarii defense but when it came to the end the Algerians(France) were short of Zidane for penalty kicks because he lost his friggin mind showing the true nature of himself.

However even with the way the Italians appeared to be tired the French made the claim that the Italians were dopped up. Is it becoming french tradition to use the claim 'they were dopped up' whenever they lose a sport ? Remember the claims they made when they lost 'Tour De France' ?

Zindane and Beckam imo are world cup 2006 biggest losers/poor-sports.

[matt]

Zidane should have been playing for the Algerian team.
Why? He was born in France. I'm of Irish descent, does this make me less of an American?


How many french were actually on team france ? 2...1...0 ? ROFL
Just looking at the 11 starters:

Bartez: Born in France
Gallas: Born in France
Thuram: Born in Guadaloupe, an island owned by France
Sagnol: Born in France
Vieira: Born in Senegal, moved to France at age 8.
Abidal: Born in France
Makélélé: Born in Zaire, moved to France at age 4.
Zidane: Born in France
Ribéry: Born in France
Malouda: Born in French Guiana, a department of France
Henry: Born in France

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I don't know about you, but I'm hard pressed to find any ringers there, unless the FFF is recruiting at age 8 nowadays.


Then there was the penalty kick in the first few minutes of the game that clearly wasnt supposed to happen after 1000 replays before and after the game, but the french got lucky none of the refs saw it and france scored a goal.
This isn't limited to just the French. All throughout the tourney poor calls were made. We can only hope FIFA modifies some policies to address it.


Had france not gotten that free goal they most certainly would never have made it to overtime.
Except that they controlled the pace of the game and had far more shot attempts than Italy. Who knows what would have happened without that penalty.


Towards the end the Algerians(France)
Not a single one of them is from Algeria.

showing the true nature of himself.
This must have been the first game you've ever watched him play, then.


However even with the way the Italians appeared to be tired the French made the claim that the Italians were dopped up. Is it becoming french tradition to use the claim 'they were dopped up' whenever they lose a sport ? Remember the claims they made when they lost 'Tour De France' ?
I haven't seen this claim anywhere, except on this forum.


Zindane and Beckam imo are world cup 2006 biggest losers/poor-sports.
You clearly haven't seen C. Ronaldo or half the other divers out there. Aside from this incident, Zidane played superbly and still managed to win the golden ball award for outstanding individual effort.

My view of the incident is that one loses most physical and mental strength after 110+ minutes of solid running in 90 degree heat, and becomes prone to making such costly mistakes.

[DeclinetoState]

If Materazzi did insult Zidane's religion (even if Zidane is a "non-practicing Muslim"), he'd better watch his back. There might be a fatwa or two issued against him in the near future.

[BEST45CAL]

oh fcuk them. lol

[CzechPrince]

Why? He was born in France. I'm of Irish descent, does this make me less of an American?

Just looking at the 11 starters:

Bartez: Born in France
Gallas: Born in France
Thuram: Born in Guadaloupe, an island owned by France
Sagnol: Born in France
Vieira: Born in Senegal, moved to France at age 8.
Abidal: Born in France
Makélélé: Born in Zaire, moved to France at age 4.
Zidane: Born in France
Ribéry: Born in France
Malouda: Born in French Guiana, a department of France
Henry: Born in France

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I don't know about you, but I'm hard pressed to find any ringers there, unless the FFF is recruiting at age 8 nowadays.

This isn't limited to just the French. All throughout the tourney poor calls were made. We can only hope FIFA modifies some policies to address it.

Except that they controlled the pace of the game and had far more shot attempts than Italy. Who knows what would have happened without that penalty.

Not a single one of them is from Algeria.

This must have been the first game you've ever watched him play, then.

I haven't seen this claim anywhere, except on this forum.


You clearly haven't seen C. Ronaldo or half the other divers out there. Aside from this incident, Zidane played superbly and still managed to win the golden ball award for outstanding individual effort.

My view of the incident is that one loses most physical and mental strength after 110+ minutes of solid running in 90 degree heat, and becomes prone to making such costly mistakes.

Well, I logged on to post something similar of this calibur, but I see there is no need to. :claps:

[Republican_Legion]

Why? He was born in France. I'm of Irish descent, does this make me less of an American?

Just looking at the 11 starters:

Bartez: Born in France
Gallas: Born in France
Thuram: Born in Guadaloupe, an island owned by France
Sagnol: Born in France
Vieira: Born in Senegal, moved to France at age 8.
Abidal: Born in France
Makélélé: Born in Zaire, moved to France at age 4.
Zidane: Born in France
Ribéry: Born in France
Malouda: Born in French Guiana, a department of France
Henry: Born in France

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I don't know about you, but I'm hard pressed to find any ringers there, unless the FFF is recruiting at age 8 nowadays.

This isn't limited to just the French. All throughout the tourney poor calls were made. We can only hope FIFA modifies some policies to address it.

Except that they controlled the pace of the game and had far more shot attempts than Italy. Who knows what would have happened without that penalty.

Not a single one of them is from Algeria.

This must have been the first game you've ever watched him play, then.

I haven't seen this claim anywhere, except on this forum.


You clearly haven't seen C. Ronaldo or half the other divers out there. Aside from this incident, Zidane played superbly and still managed to win the golden ball award for outstanding individual effort.

My view of the incident is that one loses most physical and mental strength after 110+ minutes of solid running in 90 degree heat, and becomes prone to making such costly mistakes.

There is no such thing as an 'american' race or ethnicity, americans are many differnt ethnicitys and races and are born here or legal citzens.
Team USA can have players of any background and if citzens they are truely representing the USA and its culture.

French is an ethnicity and is the majority of france. Most of the players on Frances team are none of that and represent the islamic take over of france.

America is the country without its own main ethnic group since there is so many with ethnicitys of German,British,Irish,Polish,Chinese,japanese etc. America is the country of multi race and mutli culture.

France has its own ethnic group but cant seem to get players of that group to represent their team.

Germany, Italy, Portugal, England etc have manage to use mostly their own people to represent their teams.

For example an american is someone who could be of any ethnic or race while a Frenchman is one of french descent while one from france of a Algerian is not a frenchman but rather an Algerian Frenchman because if he was born there or is legal citzen.

Americans are Americans
French are French
Germans are Germans
Mexicans are Mexicans
Algerians are Algerians
Russians are Russians

I regard myself as an American because America has no ethnicity bearing the name 'American' and even with the native americans they come from different tribes such as navajo and peublos and eskimos. So there really is no 'American'. If I was born in france but my background was mexican I would regard myself as a Mexican Frenchman.

As such my background actually is mexican and german and I'd go by being an American since there is no 'American' race or ethnicity.

FYI the French come from the germanic tribe known as the 'Franks' who settled in what is called modern 'France'. Of course to your knowledge and belief they probally came from algeria. :rolleyes:

Of course then theres the word 'Nationality' which if ur born in algeria or france your nationality is of the country you are born in while you might not be of the ethnicity of your countrys name.

Todays political correction nazis regard if ur a terrorist from the middle east such as that mousoui(911 linked terrorist) and have legal citzenship in the France your ethnic group is French.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ethnic_groups
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_people

[matt]

There is no such thing as an 'american' race or ethnicity, americans are many differnt ethnicitys and races and are born here or legal citzens.

Team USA can have players of any background and if citzens they are truely representing the USA and its culture.

French is an ethnicity and is the majority of france. Most of the players on Frances team are none of that and represent the islamic take over of france.

America is the country without its own main ethnic group since there is so many with ethnicitys of German,British,Irish,Polish,Chinese,japanese etc. America is the country of multi race and mutli culture.

France has its own ethnic group but cant seem to get players of that group to represent their team.

Germany, Italy, Portugal, England etc have manage to use mostly their own people to represent their teams.

This is the worst back-peddling argument I've ever seen. You're attacking the ethnic background of their players, despite the fact that all but two were born in French land. Even this argument doesn't wash:

Bartez: French descent
Gallas: Guadeloupian descent (French island)
Thuram: Guadeloupian descent (French island)
Sagnol: French descent
Vieira: Senagalese
Abidal: Martiniquan descent (French Island)
Makélélé: Zaire
Zidane: Algerian descent (French providence until 1960's)
Ribéry: French descent
Malouda: French Guiana (department of France)
Henry: Martiniquan and Guadeloupian descent
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I don't even know why I bothered to look up their ethnicities as your premise is absurd to begin with., but as you can see, Zidane is the only starter born in France not of French or French-territoreal descent, and even that's a stretch given that his parents emigrated while Algeria was French.


<snipped drivel=""><snip>snippedI don't need a history lesson. I'm not the one making absurd claims.


Todays political correction nazis regard if ur a terrorist from the middle east such as that mousoui(911 linked terrorist) and have legal citzenship in the France your ethnic group is French.
No, it's that if you are born in France you are a French national and therefore qualify to play on their national team. I'm pretty sure they take team members on skill, not race. By the way, it's "your". Are you really so lazy as to not type out the preceding two characters?</snip></snipped>

[DeclinetoState]

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[Dowple]

When I hear the word "Frenchman", I know what I expect. It's some White roman catholic guy with a big moustache, a beret, sitting on a stone wall, playing a concertina, smelling like garlic, with a glass of red wine in one hand and a cigarette in the other. He looks a lot like THIS guy:

http://www.sherlockmagazine.it/imgbank/RUBRICHE/poirotvolto.jpg

He is NOT a muslim, NOT an Arab or Afro-Caribbean, NOT a raggae playing knot head, and NOT at ALL like someone like THIS:

http://english.people.com.cn/200607/11/images/fft2.jpg

[Crusader]

"My act is not forgivable," Zidane said. "But they must also punish the true guilty party, and the guilty party is the one who provokes."

For the record, I know nothing of Zidane aside from his position as an athlete. However, that comment seems to denote a fairly typical Islamic mentality.:question:

[Republican_Legion]

When I hear the word "Frenchman", I know what I expect. It's some White roman catholic guy with a big moustache, a beret, sitting on a stone wall, playing a concertina, smelling like garlic, with a glass of red wine in one hand and a cigarette in the other.

Exactly.

When I hear the word American I think of someone who is Black,White,Yellow,Brown or Red.
When I hear the word mexicano I think of someone who is mexican.
When I hear the term 'A German' I think of someone who is German..Not Turkish !

Its pretty sad after centurys of south western europe keeping the 'Moorish Muslim Invaders' out of their lands and now they completly open their gates to them.

Spain would have never had that train bombing if they had never let the 'Moors' back in.

[matt]

"My act is not forgivable," Zidane said. "But they must also punish the true guilty party, and the guilty party is the one who provokes."

For the record, I know nothing of Zidane aside from his position as an athlete. However, that comment seems to denote a fairly typical Islamic mentality.:question:


Considering that Zidane took a Christian wife, his kids all have Christian names, and that Kabyle Algerians are fairly secular and have fought against the current Algerian government and Arabic culture in general, I think it's safe to say he's not a bad guy.

Exactly.

When I hear the word American I think of someone who is Black,White,Yellow,Brown or Red.
When I hear the word mexicano I think of someone who is mexican.
When I hear the term 'A German' I think of someone who is German..Not Turkish !


See DeclineToState's point.


Its pretty sad after centurys of south western europe keeping the 'Moorish Muslim Invaders' out of their lands and now they completly open their gates to them.

As true as this may be, it is totally irrelevant to the point you were trying to make. The French players represent a sampling of French lands, not Muslim immigration. If you don't like the current ethic makeup of France's team, blame the last couple centuries of French colonization.

As for Dowple, I'm pretty sure he was being sarcastic. You'll not find that sort of stereotype any more than you'll find Cowboys in Texas. Most people there are decidedly normal westernized people.

[cerberus]

Don't even bother Matt, it's straight racism that's trying to be propped up as 'merely' ethnic bigotry. Either way it's narrow minded people making ignorant statments. Precious little will change that behavior.

[Dowple]

Sarcasm? No. Why is it that the traditional cultures of Europe and America are "racist" if they seek to preserve their national identities? Yet we must all get down and grovel at the "wonders" of mestizo culture in central and south America, at the "genius" of medieval Islam, at the "great black African" civilizations of Egypt and west Africa. If you neocons truly valued diversity, you would also appreciate the White civilizations and cultures of Europe and North America, as well, instead of wanting to turn them into some acultural, denationalized mass that echoes the plan for a "bronze continent" envisioned by mexican advocates for Aztlan.

[Crusader]

Considering that Zidane took a Christian wife, his kids all have Christian names, and that Kabyle Algerians are fairly secular and have fought against the current Algerian government and Arabic culture in general, I think it's safe to say he's not a bad guy.What religious belief does he ascribe to himself? :question:

Again, while I'm not suggesting that Zidane is a terrorist or sympathizer, the comment really does sum up the sort of mentality common in the Islamic world.

[ConspiracyBuff]

Back to the thread issue: FIFA has reacted to the Zidane claims:

FIFA has summoned both players for a hearing:

"
ZURICH, Switzerland (CNN) -- FIFA has launched disciplinary proceedings against Italy's World Cup-winning defender Marco Materazzi.
The world governing body said Thursday it had taken the decision following claims made by French captain Zinedine Zidane, who was sent off for head-butting Materazzi in the final.
Zidane told French TV on Wednesday that Materazzi had provoked him by continually insulting his mother and his sister.
The French player, who has now retired, is already under investigation by FIFA and its chief Sepp Blatter hinted that Zidane could be stripped of the tournament's best player award....."
http://edition.cnn.com/2006/SPORT/football/07/13/fifa.zidane/
(I know I didn't want to use CNN but I don't feel like searching for another articel--politics aren't involved (are they?)

[DeclinetoState]

This is over a week old now, but I hadn't seen it before today.

French soccer star Zinedine Zidane has spoken out about the red card incident in the World Cup final saying he head-butted Marco Materazzi after the Italian defender repeatedly insulted his mother and sister. Now Zidane's mother has joined the argument: she wants revenge.

It was perhaps the most shocking moment of this summer's World Cup in Germany: French midfielder Zinedine Zidane turned suddenly to head-butt Italian player Marco Materazzi in the chest, knocking him to the ground. France's captain subsequently was sent off for the seemingly inexplicable action only 10 minutes before the 34-year-old star planned to retire.

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It seems one person at least agrees with Zidane's refusal to apologize to Materazzi: Zidane's own mother, Malika. English tabloid The Mirror quotes Malika -- who is recovering from illness -- as telling friends: "I am utterly disgusted by what I have heard. I praise my son for defending his family's honour."

"No one should be subjected to such foul insults on or off the football pitch and I don't care if it was a World Cup Final. I have nothing but contempt for Materazzi and, if what he said is true, then I want his balls on a platter."
Source (http://service.spiegel.de/cache/international/0,1518,426531,00.html)