Proof of what I said

[Maggie_T]

Here's Gallagher's article on the liberal callers after the quasi-9/11. The ones I mentioned in my thread "Ok, here's the thing." Read and weep.

The Left has no answer to London plot
By Mike Gallagher
Friday, August 11, 2006


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And then there was Amanda.

She was calling from Colorado, and she chastised me for embracing violence as a solution to violence. “You right-wingers love blood and guts and you never have any sympathy for the other side”, she said. “The other side?” I asked. “You mean the terrorists?” She responded with a sneer in her voice: “You just don’t understand. They feel that WE’RE the terrorists. You conservatives are wrong in defining this war as something between good and evil.”

I had just about had enough. “Amanda, let me ask you something”, I said. “Do you consider the 19 hijackers of 9/11 evil?” Long pause. “No, I do not,” she replied. “We should look at ourselves to discover what we did to make them hate us so much. This is all our fault.”
Make no mistake, this woman was serious. I actually told her I hoped she was a comedienne, someone making a prank call to a national radio show. She assured me that she was not. So I had to ask her what she did for a living. Her answer will haunt me for a long, long time: “I’m a schoolteacher.”

Yes, Mike. It will haunt me too.

Your tax dollars at work, guys.

Link (http://townhall.com/columnists/MikeGallagher/2006/08/11/the_left_has_no_answer_to_london_plot)

[Rhino]

Jeez!

[Eagle1]

that is about par with everything the NEA stands for

[kkkron]

I actually agree with a small part of what she says: that they see us as the terrorists. Her statement that the war is not 'good vs. evil' could do with some modification. The war is indeed 'good vs. evil', but it isn't as if every soldier on our side is good and every soldier on their side is evil. We all know that the Islamic militants (aka terrorists) use some seriously heavy propaganda, so their fighters actually believe all that crazy stuff about Americans eating babies etc.

[Maggie_T]

I actually agree with a small part of what she says

Of course, you do! White Guilt-ridden liberals all share the same putrid mindset.

Why am I not surprised. :rolleyes:

[Lubbock]

He's 16 years old. He's not old enough to be a "White Guilt-ridden liberal". He's young and wilfully stupid; by his own admission, he's too lazy to study or learn anything on his own; rather, he relies on what he reads as opinion on the internet for an education.

[Maggie_T]

Oh, he's old enough, Lub. Didn't you read his last "opus" in the "OK, here's the thing" thread? You missed a good one. He believes that allowing Islamofascist to kill him is a noble moral thing to do. I kid you not. Check it out.

White liberals are taught from birth that the Western world they are part of is at the root of all evil. Just like Christians are baptized at an early age, so are lefties indoctrinated from the start to hate themselves for "the bad things" that their respective countries have allegedly done to poor, oppressed, dark-skinned "cultures" on the other side of the world.

[Lubbock]

Yeah, I read it. That's one for the ages, not soon to be forgotten.

[BarkleUSA]

Amanda is not unique. Consider how many voted for Gore and then Kerry and you begin to get some idea as to the scope and magnitude of this very disturbing psychotic disorder.

LIS (Liberal Induced Stupor) afflicts millions whose minds are no longer capable of making moral distinction. Like a blind person unable to see images, a LIS victim’s moral compass spins like a carrousel.

Consider the following:

If Amanda were on a transatlantic flight with her children and Mohamed (the one not subjected to TSA search due to rules against profiling) suddenly stood up and announced that he was going to blow up the airliner, Amanda would no doubt hope (and probably pray for the first time in her Godless life) that a federal air-marshal was onboard to rescue her.

You see, Amanda’s LIS psychosis has permitted her to intellectualize in a detached-from-reality way that all things are equal. But when faced with the reality that Mohammed wants to kill 280 innocent passengers and that the air-marshal will selflessly lay down his life to protect them, she is slapped out of her LIS to the cold hard reality of the world we live in and the pure heartless evil we face.

She no doubt would try to reason with Mohammed but would quickly realize (as blood shoots from her 5 year old daughter’s carotid artery) that Mohammed takes perverse pleasure in killing “infidels”.

As the air-marshal squeezes off five rapid shots at Mohammed’s cranium (and his brain tissue is all over her “Bush Lied, People Died” tee-shirt) Amanda would no doubt awake from her LIS and appreciate that one man stood tall against evil.

Unfortunately, Amanda and the millions that suffer from LIS can not be instantly cured short of a reality event episode as described above. The best we can hope for is to try to educate those still reachable through reason and conservative education.

Above all, LIS suffers should not be permitted to teach our children because the disease can be spread to younger children with weaker minds.

[Black Phoenix]

I actually agree with a small part of what she says: that they see us as the terrorists. Her statement that the war is not 'good vs. evil' could do with some modification. The war is indeed 'good vs. evil', but it isn't as if every soldier on our side is good and every soldier on their side is evil. We all know that the Islamic militants (aka terrorists) use some seriously heavy propaganda, so their fighters actually believe all that crazy stuff about Americans eating babies etc.


I realize some of these people are brainwashed, but that doesn't make them total victums. These aren't children, and many of them aren't even isolated. Those 19 terrorists spent how long in this country and they never figured out we don't consider human babies a delicacy? These 19 people were intelligent enough to go through a flight school, so don't dare tell me they weren't intelligent enough to read and use deductive logic. Many of the others we're talking about are explosives experts and often are well trained for their positions, learning how to subvert our security and compete with our soldiers.

These aren't the ignorant peasents our ansestors were... but even then, lets think about that. Why aren't we all still ignorant peasents? Could it have something to do with our ansestors not being content to stay that way? Say what you want about our civilizations, but those in Europe and Canada and America over here, weren't set free by outside forces, and often we faced even greater danger than the Arabs for our freedom. The Arabs could do the same things, but they've allowed their spirits to be broken and their minds to be enslaved.

I feel sorry for how much they have to over come, but am always struck with how much motive there is to over come it, yet so few of them ever try. Literally, under Saddam, you weren't necessarily any better off if you cooperated or rebelled, so why not rebel? But it didn't happen that way, the "greate Satan" had to come a liberate them. (Ever notice how that particular retorhic of America being the "great Satan" has died down in Iraq? Wonder... if no one believes it now... did they really believe it then?)

[Lubbock]

Phoenix, you've got a lot more compassion and understanding than necessary.

I just want the bastards dead, and I don't much care about their brainwashing or what they have to overcome, or how we go about making them dead: Daisy Cutters, Cluster Bombs, Bunker Busters or nukes. It's all the same to me.

[Black Phoenix]

How much compassion did you get out of what I just said? I pretty much declared them all stuck in a rut and said it was their fault... that's compassion?

[UnkHiram]

Bullshitite

Nothing Justifies or excuses flying airplanes into buildings. I am sorry that their life aint been a bed of roses but if they had overthrown the midevel clerical tyrants that ruled them their life would have been better. It's not America's fault that our land has been blessed with Resourses and People that refused to accept tyranny. It's their fault they were willing to accept that crap!

You wanna feel sorry for someone, feel sorry for the little 6 year old girl who's Dad was slaughtered on the morning of 9-11 just because he was an American! Feel sorry for the 19 year old expentant mother who's husband has just died in Afghanstan protecting our freedom from Al Quida and the Taliban. You want to feel sorry for someone, feel sorry for the little 16 year old muslim girl who will never have any rights so long as those fanatical lunatics control her nation!

You want to sympathise with the Terrorists? I suggest you shut the Flip up because I dont want to hear it until they stop strapping bombs on their children and sending them out to murder innocent people. As far as I am concerned these Islamic Facists dont deserve the compasion I would show a rabid dog. If that offends you, TOO FORKING BAD!

[Maggie_T]

Bullshitite

Nothing Justifies or excuses flying airplanes into buildings. I am sorry that their life aint been a bed of roses but if they had overthrown the midevel clerical tyrants that ruled them their life would have been better. It's not America's fault that our land has been blessed with Resourses and People that refused to accept tyranny. It's their fault they were willing to accept that crap!

You wanna feel sorry for someone, feel sorry for the little 6 year old girl who's Dad was slaughtered on the morning of 9-11 just because he was an American! Feel sorry for the 19 year old expentant mother who's husband has just died in Afghanstan protecting our freedom from Al Quida and the Taliban. You want to feel sorry for someone, feel sorry for the little 16 year old muslim girl who will never have any rights so long as those fanatical lunatics control her nation!

You want to sympathise with the Terrorists? I suggest you shut the Flip up because I dont want to hear it until they stop strapping bombs on their children and sending them out to murder innocent people. As far as I am concerned these Islamic Facists dont deserve the compasion I would show a rabid dog. If that offends you, TOO FORKING BAD!


No bloody kidding! Hear, hear, Unk. :claps:

[DesertFox]

Nothing Justifies or excuses flying airplanes into buildings.Not even if the Dixie Twits are aboard giving personal attention to Bill Clinton as Al Gore works on his next power point presentation and Hillary's in the back admiring the boobs that that there sculptor put on that statue of Helen Thomas?





Go for it, FISTED

[dPrasse]

Awful tempting scenario , DF ....

[BarkleUSA]

You can bet if Bill, Hill and Al are on a plane, they would make damn sure there were no Muslims anywhere near it, let alone onboard. For the rest of us, we gotta sit between Yousiff and Rashid after watching them board without being searched due to anti-profiling rules.

[Black Phoenix]

Could someone please tell what of what I said was compassionate? Yea, I know what was happening over there and it wasn't good, so what? My point was, no one over there was trying to fix it until we have to came along to save the day before the muslims took the world down with em'. It's easy to say there was nothing more Saddam could have done to stop rebellion, but in the end, reallly, there was nothing more he could have done to CAUSE rebellion... but where was the rebellion? These people just let tyrants walk all over them.

Yea Saddam needed to go, but why didn't they do it themselves? I guess in the end, unlike our ansestors, they just didn't have the guts, or the heart or the conviction. I feel compassion for the women and children caught in the cross fire. But after a while, I'm running out of compassion for their men who do so little to stop it. The muslims know their nations are crap, and so what if they think the rest of the world is worse, why don't they at least fix where they are? I thought when you cornered an animal it normally turns vicious, but the muslims just roll over and die.

It don't get much more hateful than that. Will these people ever stand up for themselves?

There is an old saying that peace imposed by others cannot last. In Iraq I hope this is not the case... but in the end, what can I say? These people hate eachother. I see no one on either side reaching out, just more throwing blame. Bush is doing the right thing and so are our troops, but in the end, the same people who did nothing to free themselves, and did nothing but fight eachother once they were free, will be the ones we count on to make the new Iraq work... I hope this all works out, but I don't know that it will.

A friend of mine suggested Isreal control Iraq in the end... the might be a good idea. Otherwise, until these people get some conviction, we're gonna have to just keep saving the day.

[Black Phoenix]

No sooner did I say what I said, then I thought about something. Afganistan. They had a horrible situation to, and they were muslim dominated to, but they joined us to overthrow the evil Taliban. The Northern forces of Afganistan help EARN their freedom, something the Iraqies had simply given to them. They're working against the Taliban, and are seeming to recognize the enemy as the enemy, and not just a different belief system. Iraq is like a man saved from suicide. Sure it was right to save him, sure it's right to continue to help him, but it should be a long time before he's in control of his life again.

[gnome]

I don't believe you can characterize leftism based on the rantings of one nutty caller. It tells you nothing of the character of the group as a whole. I doubt you could find one in twenty liberals that will tell you that the 9-11 hijackers weren't evil.

[Kathy29]

The other 19 would say yes they were evil BUT. They were driven to it by blah blah and it's all our fault. Or, there were no hijackers, they were all CIA agents.

[Lubbock]

" . . . I don't believe you can characterize leftism based on the rantings of one nutty caller. . . . "

Oh, if only it were ONE nutty caller!

Just a few days back we had a thread about one third [or some such ridiculous ratio] of the US population believing the 9/11 attacks were engineered by Bush.

This nation is shot through with NUTTY CALLERS.

One thing I have noticed since the UK airline bombing plot has been exposed is that more and more people are calling for the "Moderates" here in the US to speak out more forcefully against Radical Islam.

Of course, it should also be noted that no "Moderate" is speaking out.

All I hear so far is CAIR and their ilk [terrorists in three piece suits, in my opinion] slamming Bush for daring to utter the phrase "Islamic facism".

That's our "Moderates".

And if you think about it, the "Moderates" don't sound as half-cracked as some of our elected officials --Symphia McNinny for one.

Did anyone happen to see her Black Muslim security force on election night spouting the most outrageous, nasty anti-semetic rhetoric, blaming the JEEEEEEWS for Symphia's defeat?

[gnome]

The other 19 would say yes they were evil BUT. They were driven to it by blah blah and it's all our fault. Or, there were no hijackers, they were all CIA agents.

I wonder if there's any way to make a fair bet about this.

[dPrasse]

Yea Saddam needed to go, but why didn't they do it themselves? I guess in the end, unlike our ansestors, they just didn't have the guts, or the heart or the conviction.

The last uprising in Iraq , vs Sadman , Bush I did nothing but wring his hands .. we didn't even offer air support .... the uprising before ended with entire villages being gassed with the non-existant WMD ...

just how were the peasants , with no outside support supposed to over throw the entire Iraqi govt ??

the notion is just as silly as saying ther Indians should have over thrown Washington from their Reservations ...

[Lubbock]

" . . . I wonder if there's any way to make a fair bet about this. . . . "

Jeez, gnome!!!

Do you ever read a newspaper or listen to the radio/television?

You are seeing and hearing only what you want to see and hear. Nothing more.

Has to be, otherwise, you wouldn't even ask a question like that.

Pull your head out of the sand and start paying attention to the world around you.

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[Maggie_T]

I don't believe you can characterize leftism based on the rantings of one nutty caller. It tells you nothing of the character of the group as a whole. I doubt you could find one in twenty liberals that will tell you that the 9-11 hijackers weren't evil.


Gnome, I'll tell you the same thing I told Borgia and kron and markus. It's no good trying to convince us that the "nutty callers" are few and far between among lefties. Sorry if it grieves you, mate.

We all know the character of the group as a whole. Courtesy of the groups themselves, mind you. We heard what ANSWER, the ACLU, La Raza, MECHA, Cindy Sheehan, and so many others like them have said and continue saying. And no, they do not believe the 9/11 hijackers were evil. They believe that America is evil and that they hijackers are justified in what they do.

I know you will deny this, gnome. Please yourself. It will not cease to be the truth just because you don't want to admit it. You keep some pretty nasty company, my friend. The fact that you may not think like them makes no difference.

You continue to vote democrat because you think that you are helping the poor, fighting the evil big corporations, and conserving the environment.

Well, my friend, what you're really voting for is George Soros, for Kos, for ANSWER, the ACLU, La Raza, MECHA, and all the rest of the anti-America/Blame-America-First groups. They are the ones who hold the purse strings, you know. They are the ones who give money to the democrat party. They are the ones who force the democrat party further to the left every day.

That is what you vote for, gnome. Of course, I understand your insistent denial of the truth. It makes it easier for you to vote for the "compassionate party, who helps the little guy, who wants peace, and who loves little furry animals." Voting for them makes you feel good about yourself. (shrugs) Please yourself, mate.

Just don't deceive yourself - and certainly don't try to fool us - into believing that rabid, hateful leftists are few and far between. The fact will not go away just because you close your eyes to it.

[BarkleUSA]

Gnome, you might do well to consider listening to Maggie T.

We have state sponsored radical Islam today because Jimmy Carter permitted the Islamic revolution to take place in Iran and continued to do nothing while they held our hostages for 444 days.

We have 3.00 gas today because the left has blocked drilling for oil, building new refineries and nuclear power plants for the past 30 years.

We have an angry underachieving criminal black subclass in America today because of the left’s “War on Poverty” which has condemned generations to despair waiting on the nanny state to provide for them.

We had 9-11 because the Clinton administration allowed attack after attack on America and our interests to go unanswered. OBL himself viewed us as weak because of Bill Clinton’s lack of response.

Every problem we face today is a direct result of people like you believing that the left have the answer.

The left has NEVER been right about anything, not once.

You have it exactly backwards about the “nutty caller” giving the left a bad name.

[Naturalized-Texan]

We have an angry underachieving criminal black subclass in America today because of the left’s “War on Poverty” which has condemned generations to despair waiting on the nanny state to provide for them.
Right!

The goal of all liberal programs is to produce ever-increasing numbers of poor and ignorant people dependent on government handouts. The so-called War on Poverty is an excellent example.

[Wyatt_Junker]

Did anyone happen to see her Black Muslim security force on election night spouting the most outrageous, nasty anti-semetic rhetoric, blaming the JEEEEEEWS for Symphia's defeat?

You mean THIS (http://littlegreenfootballs.com/weblog/?entry=22044&only)?

[Maggie_T]

Yep. Gotta love those "non-racist" blacks, like McKinney and her thugs.

For these people, there is only one kind of racism that counts: racism against them, as perceived by them.

[JohnSteel]

White liberals are taught from birth that the Western world they are part of is at the root of all evil. Just like Christians are baptized at an early age, so are lefties indoctrinated from the start to hate themselves for "the bad things" that their respective countries have allegedly done to poor, oppressed, dark-skinned "cultures" on the other side of the world.
This is very true. People don't realize it but it's very common in mainstream entertainment and news sources. It's subtle but noticable if you pay attention to what your looking at.

[Black Phoenix]

The last uprising in Iraq , vs Sadman , Bush I did nothing but wring his hands .. we didn't even offer air support .... the uprising before ended with entire villages being gassed with the non-existant WMD ...

just how were the peasants , with no outside support supposed to over throw the entire Iraqi govt ??

the notion is just as silly as saying ther Indians should have over thrown Washington from their Reservations ...


Bush one initiated a war on Iraq, but your right, he didn't over throw Saddam. It is unfortuanate we didn't come in and save the day back then, perhaps we could have gotten more support, in fact I doubt that little, however, no one helped us when we wanted to be free. (Well... France a little, but no, not that much.)

Oh and on the Indians... they tried and gave it their all and lost. Happens. I respect that they tried, because what happened after a while was wrong, some of the indians were bad, I'll grant you that, and they had to be delt with, but we crossed the line somewhere... our relations with the indians were complicated, but yea they did fight back, and... so did we and it kinda went back and forth both sides doing things they probably aren't proud of now. But really, your correlation failed because actually, they did stand up, and actually, for a while, they had quite an effect. Why do you think we even made reservations?

In any case, we did save the day now... what difference did it make? Ever heard of a Sunnie reaching out to a Sheitte in Iraq, even once? These people are not earning their freedom... they're not even trying and is it ever aggrivating. Ya know, maybe they are all just like a bunch of abused children... but if that be the case, we shouldn't be leaving for another ten maybe thirteen years!

Saddam did so much to those people, and you know it. The theory is you can only push a man so far, but these guys had no breaking point. And if you don't think they knew how to sacrifice... what do you call suicide bombing? They suicide bomb in order to keep a conflict going but to save their entire nation they did nothing.

And ya know what? Shut up about Bush I. We did have a war with Iraq during his presidency, but back then this was all just begining. Where was Clinton? This is the son of Bush 1 and he finnished the job.

In the end I hope I'm wrong and just not seeing it, but these people, even when they get freedom they just keep going. Look at Pakistan. Who did they elect in their free elections... Hamas! Given the chance, they decided to pick a worse party.

[Maggie_T]

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[Naturalized-Texan]

Black Phoenix: You're right. Bush 1 did not carry the Gulf War to the point of removing Saddam, but there were 2 reasons why he couldn't:

1) The UN ONLY authorized the removal of Iraqi forces from Kuwait.

2) The Democrat Congress would have defunded the war immediately had Bush 1 tried to press on to Baghdad to remove Saddam.

[Maggie_T]

I want to ask gnome and company something.

Hasn't it ever struck you guys as odd that those people who try to win your vote, and /or your confidence, by telling you that they are for "the little guy" (you), and by vilifying big corporations, and promising to take away from "the evil rich" to give to you, are themselves millionaires several times over, and/or owners of big companies themselves? (Soros, Ted Kennedy, John Kerry, the Hollywood cadre, Diane Feinstein - oh, yes, she's a millionaire; her husband is in big buisness with the Chicoms; didn't you know?)

Doesn't it bother you in the slightest to know that these people get around in their own private jets, SUVs, Hummers, yachts, and what not, and live in huge mansions that take tons of enegy to keep warm/cool, while they urge you to layer sweaters in winter, use palm fans in summer, ride in small cars, and wash your clothes by hand, in order to conserver energy and keep the environment clean?

Aren't you at all miffed at these people for making one set of rules for you, and an entirely different set of rules for themselves? And that the two sets are NOT interchangable?

Hang on a mo ... oh, no ... please don't tell me you actually believe these people when they tell you that they live by the same rules they created exclusively for you. No, no human being should be cursed with so much brain damage.

I am sorry for you, guys. So very, very sorry.

Lord, talk about one being born every minute.


Oh, one more thing, guys. If you don't want to answer the question, we will more than understand. Just don't try to dodge it by throwing the question back to us (e.i. "Aren't you angry at Bush for lying ... being the 1st terrorist ... being a Nazi! Rant, rant, rant"

You'll only look childish and petulant. And anyway, I asked first. ;)

[Lubbock]

Picking up on what NT posted, there are some here who believe that a President operates in a vacuum.

I wish there was some way to purge that thinking.

[gnome]

I want to ask gnome and company something.

Hasn't it ever struck you guys as odd that those people who try to win your vote, and /or your confidence, by telling you that they are for "the little guy" (you), and by vilifying big corporations, and promising to take away from "the evil rich" to give to you, are themselves millionaires several times over, and/or owners of big companies themselves? (Soros, Ted Kennedy, John Kerry, the Hollywood cadre, Diane Feinstein - oh, yes, she's a millionaire; her husband is in big buisness with the Chicoms; didn't you know?)

Doesn't it bother you in the slightest to know that these people get around in their own private jets, SUVs, Hummers, yachts, and what not, and live in huge mansions that take tons of enegy to keep warm/cool, while they urge you to layer sweaters in winter, use palm fans in summer, ride in small cars, and wash your clothes by hand, in order to conserver energy and keep the environment clean?

Aren't you at all miffed at these people for making one set of rules for you, and an entirely different set of rules for themselves? And that the two sets are NOT interchangable?

Hang on a mo ... oh, no ... please don't tell me you actually believe these people when they tell you that they live by the same rules they created exclusively for you. No, no human being should be cursed with so much brain damage.

I am sorry for you, guys. So very, very sorry.

Lord, talk about one being born every minute.


Oh, one more thing, guys. If you don't want to answer the question, we will more than understand. Just don't try to dodge it by throwing the question back to us (e.i. "Aren't you angry at Bush for lying ... being the 1st terrorist ... being a Nazi! Rant, rant, rant"

You'll only look childish and petulant. And anyway, I asked first. ;)

I'll answer the question.

Yes, it bothers me a great deal. And no, I don't really believe them to be sincere. But when I look at the other side, I don't see much improvement. Most of the people offered up for me to vote for seem sleazy and untrustworthy.

I'd love to vote on character, but even trying gets too depressing. So far there are sleazeballs that everyone knows are sleazeballs, and sleazeballs that are pretty good at concealing it most of the time.

So for me, it becomes a game of predicting who is most likely to promote something slightly resembling what I want.

[Maggie_T]

I'll answer the question.

Yes, it bothers me a great deal. And no, I don't really believe them to be sincere. But when I look at the other side, I don't see much improvement. Most of the people offered up for me to vote for seem sleazy and untrustworthy.

I'd love to vote on character, but even trying gets too depressing. So far there are sleazeballs that everyone knows are sleazeballs, and sleazeballs that are pretty good at concealing it most of the time.

So for me, it becomes a game of predicting who is most likely to promote something slightly resembling what I want.


So you actually believe that John Kerry is less of a sleazeball than George Bush?! You think a gigolo extraordinaire (among other things) like Kerry is to be trusted more than Bush?! As markus would say, Really?! :eek:

I'm sorry, gnome, you have just lost whatever thread of respect I still had for you.

If you'd had the honesty to say "Look, I know they are sleazeballs, all of them. But the democrat party is the party of socialism/leftism/libralism/caring-for-the poor/whathaveyou, and politically, that's where I lean," I would have considered my question well answered.

But for you to come and tell me that Ted Kennedy, John Kerry, John Edwards (trial shyster extraordinaire), John Murtha, Charlie Rangel, The Clintons, Chucky Shumer, Cythia McKinney, Harry Reid, Nancy Pelosi, and the rest of the menagerie are more honorable than Republicans, is the most outrageously hypocritical attempt at coy fiddle-farting with the truth I have ever heard, and I've been around a long time.

Serves me right for asking. Please say no more.

[Maggie_T]

Oh, and gnome? If you continue to believe that the people I mentioned in the above list of Ali Baba's 40+ thieves are "less sleazeballs," you are the most unqualified person in the world to base your vote on character.

Sorry, mate. You really flunked that one.

[gnome]

I believe my opinion has been mistaken. I don't believe at all that democrat politicians are less sleazy than republican ones... my statement was that I see them as equally sleazy, and so I can't use "sleaziness" as the basis for my vote.

[Maggie_T]

I believe my opinion has been mistaken. I don't believe at all that democrat politicians are less sleazy than republican ones... my statement was that I see them as equally sleazy, and so I can't use "sleaziness" as the basis for my vote.

Whoa! Slow the spin down, gnome. You'll break your neck at that speed. :D

This is what you said:

Most of the people offered up for me to vote for seem sleazy and untrustworthy.

Which means you DO use sleaziness as basis for your vote.

And then, this:

So far there are sleazeballs that everyone knows are sleazeballs, and sleazeballs that are pretty good at concealing it most of the time. So for me, it becomes a game of predicting who is most likely to promote something slightly resembling what I want.

Oh, so for you, it's a matter of concealing their sleaziness. A democrat could rape 10 year old girls in the "privacy" of his home and it would be just part of his private life. Just as long as he doesn't get caught.

That's why you vote for the Ted Kennedys, the John Kerrys, John Edwards, etc. Humonguous sleazebags, every one of them. But they make doe eyes about the poor and the environment, they say the right things (although it's mostly a case of talking the talk and making you walk the walk), they have a full head of hair. And with the help and complicity of the drive-by media, they almost succeed in keeping their sleaziness in check ... or in secret.

Nice going, mate. :D

[ProCon]

Whoa! Slow the spin down, gnome. You'll break your neck at that speed. :D

This is what you said:


Which means you DO use sleaziness as basis for your vote.

And then, this:


Oh, so for you, it's a matter of concealing their sleaziness.

To be fair, Gnome's postings seem to confirm he is choosing politicians who articulate his position most clearly. It seems he was pretty specific about NOT voting based on character. I don't read much in the way of spin there. I read that he votes Democratic because those candidates typically affirm the ideology that resonates with him, regardless of their moral fiber.

Now attacking why liberal ideology resonates with him is fair game!

[BarkleUSA]

Aside from looking at each individual politician’s “sleaze factor” there is a common sleaze that permeates all socialist politicians.

This sleaze is based on the foundation of their political power which is derived from the essential “Three Big Lies” of socialism:

1. “I care about the poor downtrodden huddled masses” - Insure that underachievement and deviate criminal behavior is rewarded or excused. Every government program and institution must be focused at extending and enlarging the underachieving deviate subclass. Educators that do not educate, free needles to promote drug abuse, moral relativism to excuse diviance, the war against the traditional family to promote perversion, the war against Christianity to promote abortion, etc.

2. “The other party is for the greedy rich.” – Divide the population so that the lower 51% are labeled the working poor and the upper 49% are the greedy rich. Reward the poor and punish the rich through regressive tax schemes to keep moving the bar lower and lower, growing your constituency. Remember John Edward’s “Two Americas” or Stalin’s “Workers party”.

3. “You are entitled to your piece of the pie” - Insure that the rage and despair of the underachieving deviate subclass is misdirected at the other political party. Personal Responsibility must be shifted to Collective Victimization. Use any differences (sex, religion, skin color, and gender) to exploit and fan the flames of discontent so that the underachieving deviate subclass will depend more and more on compassionate government handouts for their survival.

Everything Ted Kennedy, Nancy Pelosi, Hilary Clinton, Charlie Rangal and the rest do fall under one or more of the Big Lies. Every speech, every legislation, every spending program. It’s all sleaze.

[gnome]

Which means you DO use sleaziness as basis for your vote.

And then, this:



Oh, so for you, it's a matter of concealing their sleaziness. A democrat could rape 10 year old girls in the "privacy" of his home and it would be just part of his private life. Just as long as he doesn't get caught.

That's why you vote for the Ted Kennedys, the John Kerrys, John Edwards, etc. Humonguous sleazebags, every one of them. But they make doe eyes about the poor and the environment, they say the right things (although it's mostly a case of talking the talk and making you walk the walk), they have a full head of hair. And with the help and complicity of the drive-by media, they almost succeed in keeping their sleaziness in check ... or in secret.

Nice going, mate. :D

I mentioned the ones that conceal their sleaziness as a reason that it's NOT important to me to try to figure out who's worse. The ones that seem better usually aren't, anyway. In fact, it's the Republicans I'm loosely characterizing as being able to somewhat conceal their sleaziness.

But let me be more clear--all politicians seem like scum to me, whether they show it well or not... and so I don't try to vote based on that.

[Maggie_T]

Thank you, Barkle. As usual, brilliantly put.