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Gonzo67
09-11-2006, 07:20 PM
Well? What did ya think?

Political posturing or genuine sincerity?

Timberwolf
09-11-2006, 07:22 PM
Hoping for the latter, fearing it's the former...

BarkleUSA
09-11-2006, 07:24 PM
:claps:

…on the War on Terror
"America did not ask for this war, and every American wishes it were over," Bush said. "The war is not over - and it will not be over until either we or the extremists emerge victorious."

…on Cut n Run
"Whatever mistakes have been made in Iraq, the worst mistake would be to think that if we pulled out, the terrorists would leave us alone," the president said. "They will not leave us alone. They will follow us."

…on the “Peaceful Religion”
He said Islamic radicals are trying to build an empire "where women are prisoners in their homes, men are beaten for missing prayer meetings and terrorists have a safe haven to plan and launch attacks on America and other civilized nations."
Source… (http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/S/SEPT_11_BUSH?SITE=7219&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2006-09-11-17-34-44)

Lubbock
09-11-2006, 07:33 PM
Come on, Wolf!

There was no political posturing in that speech.

Did you notice that he stumbled over only one word, and that was a Proper Name?

That's one of the best indicators that he's speaking from the heart; when he doesn't stumble over his words.

Riverboat
09-11-2006, 07:48 PM
It was the best speech I've ever heard him deliver. He laid out all the major points with the forceful directness one would expect from a Texan. No hemming or hawing, none of that unseemly half-giggle I hear too often when he's addressing a group. It was a solid dose of straight-talk for a nation that needs to hear the truth.

Naturalized-Texan
09-11-2006, 08:36 PM
Great speech!

Gonzo67
09-11-2006, 08:43 PM
I think it's one of his better moments. Let the Libs and the Anti-American assholes choke on it for a while.

TSawyer2112
09-11-2006, 08:59 PM
What? No Reid or Pelosi rebuttal to show what big patriots they and their fellow libs are? After all, isn't that their stance: the patriotism of dissention? If you can't lead, obstruct? Never fear. I am sure the NYT editorial page will provide the lib/al qaeda rebuttal.

Lubbock
09-11-2006, 09:21 PM
A text of President Bush's address Monday evening, as provided by the White House:

Bush: Good evening. Five years ago, this date _ September the 11th _ was seared into America/s memory. Nineteen men attacked us with a barbarity unequaled in our history. They murdered people of all colors, creeds, and nationalities _ and made war upon the entire free world. Since that day, America and her allies have taken the offensive in a war unlike any we have fought before. Today, we are safer, but we are not yet safe. On this solemn night, I have asked for some of your time to discuss the nature of the threat still before us, what we are doing to protect our nation ... and the building of a more hopeful Middle East (http://search.breitbart.com/q?s=%22Middle+East%22&sid=breitbart.com) that holds the key to peace for America and the world.

On 9/11, our nation saw the face of evil. Yet on that awful day, we also witnessed something distinctly American: ordinary citizens rising to the occasion, and responding with extraordinary acts of courage. We saw courage in office workers who were trapped on the high floors of burning skyscrapers _ and called home so that their last words to their families would be of comfort and love. We saw courage in passengers aboard Flight 93, who recited the 23rd Psalm _ and then charged the cockpit. And we saw courage in the Pentagon staff who made it out of the flames and smoke _ and ran back in to answer cries for help. On this day, we remember the innocent who lost their lives _ and we pay tribute to those who gave their lives so that others might live.

For many of our citizens, the wounds of that morning are still fresh. I have met firefighters and police officers who choke up at the memory of fallen comrades. I have stood with families gathered on a grassy field in Pennsylvania, who take bittersweet pride in loved ones who refused to be victims _ and gave America our first victory in the war on terror. And I have sat beside young mothers with children who are now five-years-old _ and still long for the daddies who will never cradle them in their arms. Out of this suffering, we resolve to honor every man and woman lost. And we seek their lasting memorial in a safer and more hopeful world.

Since the horror of 9/11, we have learned a great deal about the enemy. We have learned that they are evil and kill without mercy _ but not without purpose. We have learned that they form a global network of extremists who are driven by a perverted vision of Islam _ a totalitarian ideology that hates freedom, rejects tolerance and despises all dissent. And we have learned that their goal is to build a radical Islamic empire where women are prisoners in their homes, men are beaten for missing prayer meetings, and terrorists have a safe haven to plan and launch attacks on America and other civilized nations. The war against this enemy is more than a military conflict. It is the decisive ideological struggle of the 21st century, and the calling of our generation.

Our nation is being tested in a way that we have not been since the start of the Cold War. We saw what a handful of our enemies can do with box-cutters and plane tickets. We hear their threats to launch even more terrible attacks on our people. And we know that if they were able to get their hands on weapons of mass destruction (http://search.breitbart.com/q?s=%22weapons+of+mass+destruction%22&sid=breitbart.com), they would use them against us. We face an enemy determined to bring death and suffering into our homes. America did not ask for this war, and every American wishes it were over. So do I. But the war is not over _ and it will not be over until either we or the extremists emerge victorious. If we do not defeat these enemies now, we will leave our children to face a Middle East overrun by terrorist states and radical dictators armed with nuclear weapons (http://search.breitbart.com/q?s=%22nuclear+weapons%22&sid=breitbart.com). We are in a war that will set the course for this new century _ and determine the destiny of millions across the world.

For America, 9/11 was more than a tragedy _ it changed the way we look at the world. On September the 11th, we resolved that we would go on the offense against our enemies _ and we would not distinguish between the terrorists and those who harbor or support them. So we helped drive the Taliban from power in Afghanistan. We put al-Qaida on the run, and killed or captured most of those who planned the 9/11 attacks _ including the man believed to be the mastermind, Khalid Sheikh Mohammed. He and other suspected terrorists have been questioned by the Central Intelligence Agency _ and they have provided valuable information that has helped stop attacks in America and across the world. Now these men have been transferred to Guantanamo Bay, so they can be held to account for their actions. Osama bin Laden (http://search.breitbart.com/q?s=%22Osama+bin+Laden%22&sid=breitbart.com) and other terrorists are still in hiding. Our message to them is clear: No matter how long it takes, America will find you, and we will bring you to justice.

On September the 11th, we learned that America must confront threats before they reach our shores _ whether those threats come from terrorist networks or terrorist states. I am often asked why we are in Iraq when Saddam Hussein (http://search.breitbart.com/q?s=%22Saddam+Hussein%22&sid=breitbart.com) was not responsible for the 9/11 attacks. The answer is that the regime of Saddam Hussein was a clear threat. My administration, the Congress and the United Nations saw the threat _ and after 9/11, Saddam's regime posed a risk that the world could not afford to take. The world is safer because Saddam Hussein is no longer in power. And now the challenge is to help the Iraqi people build a democracy that fulfills the dreams of the nearly 12 million Iraqis who came out to vote in free elections last December.

Al-Qaida and other extremists from across the world have come to Iraq to stop the rise of a free society in the heart of the Middle East. They have joined the remnants of Saddam's regime and other armed groups to foment sectarian violence and drive us out. Our enemies in Iraq are tough and they are committed _ but so are Iraqi and coalition forces. We are adapting to stay ahead of the enemy _ and we are carrying out a clear plan to ensure that a democratic Iraq succeeds.

We are training Iraqi troops so they can defend their nation. We are helping Iraq's unity government grow in strength and serve its people. We will not leave until this work is done. Whatever mistakes have been made in Iraq, the worst mistake would be to think that if we pulled out, the terrorists would leave us alone. They will not leave us alone. They will follow us. The safety of America depends on the outcome of the battle in the streets of Baghdad. Osama bin Laden calls this fight "the third world war" _ and he says that victory for the terrorists in Iraq will mean America's "defeat and disgrace forever."

If we yield Iraq to men like Bin Laden, our enemies will be emboldened ... they will gain a new safe haven ... and they will use Iraq's resources to fuel their extremist movement. We will not allow this to happen. America will stay in the fight. Iraq will be a free nation, and a strong ally in the war on terror.

We can be confident that our coalition will succeed _ because the Iraqi people have been steadfast in the face of unspeakable violence. And we can be confident in victory _ because of the skill and resolve of America's armed forces. Every one of our troops is a volunteer, and since the attacks of September the 11th, more than 1.6 million Americans have stepped forward to put on our nation's uniform. In Iraq, Afghanistan and other fronts in the war on terror, the men and women of our military are making great sacrifices to keep us safe. Some have suffered terrible injuries _ and nearly 3,000 have given their lives. America cherishes their memory. We pray for their families. And we will never back down from the work they have begun.

We also honor those who toil day and night to keep our homeland safe _ and we are giving them the tools they need to protect our people. We have created the Department of Homeland Security. We have torn down the wall that kept law enforcement and intelligence from sharing information ... we have tightened security at our airports, seaports, and borders ... and we have created new programs to monitor enemy bank records and phone calls. Thanks to the hard work of our law enforcement and intelligence professionals, we have broken up terrorist cells in our midst and saved American lives.

Five years after 9/11, our enemies have not succeeded in launching another attack on our soil _ but they have not been idle. Al-Qaida and those inspired by its hateful ideology have carried out terrorist attacks in more than two dozen nations. And just last month, they were foiled in a plot to blow up passenger planes headed for the United States. They remain determined to attack America and kill our citizens _ and we are determined to stop them. We will continue to give the men and women who protect us every resource and legal authority they need to do their jobs.

In the first days after the 9/11 attacks, I promised to use every element of national power to fight the terrorists wherever we find them. One of the strongest weapons in our arsenal is the power of freedom. The terrorists fear freedom as much as they do our firepower. They are thrown into panic at the sight of an old man pulling the election lever, of girls enrolling in school or families worshipping God in their own traditions. They know that given a choice, people will choose freedom over their extremist ideology. So their answer is to deny people this choice by raging against the forces of freedom and moderation. This struggle has been called a clash of civilizations. In truth, it is a struggle for civilization. We are fighting to maintain the way of life enjoyed by free nations. And we are fighting for the possibility that good and decent people across the Middle East can raise up societies based on freedom, and tolerance, and personal dignity.

We are now in the early hours of this struggle between tyranny and freedom. Amid the violence, some question whether the people of the Middle East want their freedom _ and whether the forces of moderation can prevail. For 60 years, these doubts guided our policies in the Middle East. And then, on a bright September morning, it became clear that the calm we saw in the Middle East was only a mirage. Years of pursuing stability to promote peace had left us with neither. So we changed our policies, and committed America's influence in the world to advancing freedom and democracy as the great alternatives to repression and radicalism.

With our help, the people of the Middle East are now stepping forward to claim their freedom. From Kabul to Baghdad to Beirut, there are brave men and women risking their lives each day for the same freedoms that we enjoy. And they have one question for us: Do we have the confidence to do in the Middle East what our fathers and grandfathers accomplished in Europe and Asia? By standing with democratic leaders and reformers, by giving voice to the hopes of decent men and women, we are offering a path away from radicalism. And we are enlisting the most powerful force for peace and moderation in the Middle East: the desire of millions to be free.

Across the broader Middle East, the extremists are fighting to prevent such a future. Yet America has confronted evil before, and we have defeated it _ sometimes at the cost of thousands of good men in a single battle. When Franklin Roosevelt vowed to defeat two enemies across two oceans, he could not have foreseen D-Day and Iwo Jima _ but he would not have been surprised at the outcome. When Harry Truman promised American support for free peoples resisting Soviet aggression, he could not have foreseen the rise of the Berlin Wall _ but he would not have been surprised to see it brought down. Throughout our history, America has seen liberty challenged _ and every time, we have seen liberty triumph with sacrifice and determination.

At the start of this young century, America looks to the day when the people of the Middle East leave the desert of despotism for the fertile gardens of liberty _ and resume their rightful place in a world of peace and prosperity. We look to the day when the nations of that region recognize that their greatest resource is not the oil in the ground _ but the talent and creativity of their people. We look to the day when moms and dads throughout the Middle East see a future of hope and opportunity for their children. And when that good day comes, the clouds of war will part the appeal of radicalism will decline ... and we will leave our children with a better and safer world. On this solemn anniversary, we rededicate ourselves to this cause. Our nation has endured trials _ and we face a difficult road ahead. Winning this war will require the determined efforts of a unified country. And we must put aside our differences, and work together to meet the test that history has given us. We will defeat our enemies we will protect our people ... and we will lead the 21st century into a shining age of human liberty.

Earlier this year, I traveled to the United States Military Academy. I was there to deliver the commencement address to the first class to arrive at West Point after the attacks of September the 11th. That day I met a proud mom named RoseEllen Dowdell. She was there to watch her son Patrick accept his commission in the finest Army the world has ever known. A few weeks earlier, RoseEllen had watched her other son, James, graduate from the Fire Academy in New York City (http://search.breitbart.com/q?s=%22New+York+City%22&sid=breitbart.com). On both these days, her thoughts turned to someone who was not there to share the moment: her husband, Kevin Dowdell. Kevin was one of the 343 firefighters who rushed to the burning towers of the World Trade Center on September the 11th _ and never came home. His sons lost their father that day _ but not the passion for service he instilled in them. Here is what RoseEllen says about her boys, "As a mother, I cross my fingers and pray all the time for their safety _ but as worried as I am, I am also proud _ and I know their dad would be too."

Our nation is blessed to have young Americans like these _ and we will need them. Dangerous enemies have declared their intention to destroy our way of life. They are not the first to try _ and their fate will be the same as those who tried before _ 9/11 showed us why. The attacks were meant to bring us to our knees, and they did _ but not in the way the terrorists intended. Americans united in prayer ... came to the aid of neighbors in need ... and resolved that our enemies would not have the last word. The spirit of our people is the source of America's strength. And we go forward with trust in that spirit, confidence in our purpose _ and faith in a loving God who made us to be free.
Thank you, and may God bless you.

Patriot Heart
09-11-2006, 09:32 PM
Thanks for posting that Lubbock, I was only able to hear bits and pieces today.......

Teenager
09-11-2006, 10:03 PM
I missed the address. Lubbock, thanks for posting that...

Marcster
09-11-2006, 10:12 PM
none of that unseemly half-giggle I hear too often when he's addressing a group.
Glad I am not the only person who is bothered by that. As much as I like GWB, the strange smiles at the wrong times really bothered me (in other speeches, not this one).

USPatriot8320
09-11-2006, 10:12 PM
I watched the address and about 2 hours of the news afterward... I don't know what I think/feel about it yet. It was one of the President's better moments tho. The call for unity is what grabbed my attention, we need that again....

Apollo5600
09-11-2006, 10:19 PM
It was great, I saw it live. His speech tonight was definently one of his best. I happened to switch to MSNBC and that Matthew "something" and a lib were already at work taking apart the speech. It makes me sick, these scum, if they had their way Iraq would be given over to the hands of terrorists. And why? Because they care more about their own political advancement than the lives of Americans.

Trau
09-11-2006, 11:07 PM
I can't get positively excited by the words of politicians.

Lubbock
09-11-2006, 11:28 PM
Nobody's asking you to.

Wyatt_Junker
09-12-2006, 01:20 AM
I watched the address and about 2 hours of the news afterward... I don't know what I think/feel about it yet. It was one of the President's better moments tho. The call for unity is what grabbed my attention, we need that again....


No.

Wyatt_Junker
09-12-2006, 01:23 AM
I can't get positively excited by the words of politicians.

I agree with our resident dumbshit here. For once, he's right. I fart Bushisms quite regularly in my sleep as they have now gone subliminal. I don't even hear them anymore.

I don't want words anymore. They make me tired.

I want bombs. Big powerful scary bombs. A lot of them. And I want to employ them.

Like rain, only much hotter.

Maggie_T
09-12-2006, 09:06 AM
I can't get positively excited by the words of politicians.

I'm not surprised. You spend too much time congratulating yourself for your own words to listen - never mind understand - what others say. :rolleyes:

ConspiracyBuff
09-12-2006, 11:01 PM
Good, solid speech. Poignant points.

BarkleUSA
09-12-2006, 11:27 PM
…just heard Dick Durban saying the Dem talking point that Bush mentioning Iraq on 9-11 was “inappropriate”. Guess FDR mentioning Europe on Perl Harbor day would seems “inappropriate” to these mental-midgets.

They just don’t get it!

If OBL himself declares that Iraq is the central front of Al Qaida’s jihad against infidels, how can Durbin remain so fu#king CLUELESS. Or would Durbin rather be fighting them on Main Street here in the US?

Marcster
09-13-2006, 06:41 AM
...how can Durbin remain so fu#king CLUELESS. Or would Durbin rather be fighting them on Main Street here in the US?
Because he wants to remain clueless, at least publicly... They choose not to connect the dots.

And they are so engrossed in regaining their power that they'd gladly let terrorists take control of Main St. USA because that would mean that they'd get to blame Bush for not doing enough!

DoctorDoom
09-13-2006, 07:39 AM
Exactly! They've already sold their souls. It's not surprising that they'd sell America out to its enemies for power.

Rhino
09-13-2006, 09:00 AM
Bush AddressThe White House
1600 Pennsylvania Avenue NW
Washington, DC 20500

Naturalized-Texan
09-13-2006, 09:43 AM
The lefties who claim that the Iraq campaign is not part of the War on Terror are lying. And worse, they know that they are lying and don't care.

Aethariel
09-13-2006, 10:53 AM
and faith in a loving God who made us to be free.
Thank you, and may God bless you.<!-- / message -->

Boo. It's a pity he had to end such an important address with an insult to basic American ideals. It gets kind of hard to take the President seriously when he pretends to care about America, but really only gives a shit about a conservative, theocratic wet dream.

Naturalized-Texan
09-13-2006, 11:10 AM
Aethariel: Slither back into your sewer and stay there.

Rhino
09-13-2006, 11:15 AM
God is a basic American ideal. What rock have you been hiding under?

"...the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them..."

"...all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator..."

"...with a firm reliance on the protection of Divine Providence..."

"...the transcendent law of nature and of nature's God, which declares that the safety and happiness of society are the objects at which all political institutions aim, and to which all such institutions must be sacrificed..."

"Whereas it is the duty of all nations to acknowledge the providence of Almighty God, to obey His will, to be grateful for His benefits, and humbly to implore His protection and favor . . ."

Marcster
09-13-2006, 11:26 AM
Rhino... you forgot about "In God we trust", "One Nation, under God", and "So help me God".

DoctorDoom
09-13-2006, 12:38 PM
Assholiel is and always has been a heathen troll. He drops in to deposit his "freethinker" turds and then goes away to look in a mirror and congratulate himself on how very clever he is.

gnome
09-13-2006, 01:39 PM
I've seen (as observed here already) that Bush can come off differently in speeches at different times. I've always speculated that the difference was in whether he had prepared remarks.

At other times, I wonder if he uses an audio prompter rather than a teleprompter. Nothing particularly wrong with that; it may be a personal preference for him. But it could account for some of the unusual pauses.

gnome
09-13-2006, 01:43 PM
The lefties who claim that the Iraq campaign is not part of the War on Terror are lying. And worse, they know that they are lying and don't care.

I had to think a minute to decide my opinion. I don't believe it was a significant front in the WoT at the time we invaded. However, it has clearly attracted Muslim terrorists since then. I believe everyone would prefer that hadn't happened, it would probably be easier to set up a new government, but nonetheless they're there now. So, it has to be considered part of the war against militant islamic zealots now.

Peachdiane
09-13-2006, 01:49 PM
I've seen (as observed here already) that Bush can come off differently in speeches at different times. I've always speculated that the difference was in whether he had prepared remarks.

All I can say is, I'd rather listen to Bush than that stiff, Gore.

DesertFox
09-13-2006, 02:00 PM
Political posturing or genuine sincerity?Yes.

Naturalized-Texan
09-13-2006, 02:18 PM
I had to think a minute to decide my opinion. I don't believe it was a significant front in the WoT at the time we invaded.
You can't really believe that nonsense. The Iraq campaign was an essential and integral part of the WoT from the very beginning. The Iraq campaign was from the beginning as much a part of the WoT as the D-Day invasion of Normandy was a part of WW II.

Rhino
09-13-2006, 03:13 PM
Rhino... you forgot about "In God we trust", "One Nation, under God", and "So help me God".True, but those came later. I was sticking with the original founders' stuff.

gnome
09-13-2006, 04:05 PM
You can't really believe that nonsense. The Iraq campaign was an essential and integral part of the WoT from the very beginning. The Iraq campaign was from the beginning as much a part of the WoT as the D-Day invasion of Normandy was a part of WW II.

You are correct if you mean in the broadest sense that having a presence in Iraq is strategically useful in engaging terrorists in the middle eastern area. What I mean is that it wasn't high on the list of terrorist-harboring nations.

d'urville
09-13-2006, 04:16 PM
I thought this speech was excellent, perfect length and tone. The opposition has criticized it as "political posturing", big surprise there.

Hussien's Iraq was one of the biggest supporters of state-sponsored terrorism at the time.

The lefties who claim that the Iraq campaign is not part of the War on Terror are lying. And worse, they know that they are lying and don't care.

They're trying to destroy any linkage between Iraq and the WoT and shift all the focus to the war in Iraq in hopes that that miracle happens for them this November, but it won't.

Trau
09-13-2006, 06:08 PM
I'm not surprised. You spend too much time congratulating yourself for your own words to listen - never mind understand - what others say. :rolleyes:

There's more to politicians than understanding their words. Being a politician is a character flaw, make no mistake, and I make exceptions for no one.

BuckeyeMike
09-13-2006, 06:30 PM
I think it was a poor choice of words to say that the war on terror wouldn't be over until we or the terrorists are victorious.....what gives with the "or the terrorists are victorious" BS?
It ain't over until we f**kin' says it's over"!

Naturalized-Texan
09-13-2006, 06:34 PM
You are correct if you mean in the broadest sense that having a presence in Iraq is strategically useful in engaging terrorists in the middle eastern area. What I mean is that it wasn't high on the list of terrorist-harboring nations.
Wrong! Saddam was known to have harbored, trained, financed, and armed terrorists, including al Qaeda terrorists. In fact, there is strong circumstantial evidence that at least some of the 9/11 terrorists were trained at Salman Pak, about 25 miles south of Baghdad.

Naturalized-Texan
09-13-2006, 06:39 PM
I thought this speech was excellent, perfect length and tone. The opposition has criticized it as "political posturing", big surprise there.

Hussien's Iraq was one of the biggest supporters of state-sponsored terrorism at the time.

They're trying to destroy any linkage between Iraq and the WoT and shift all the focus to the war in Iraq in hopes that that miracle happens for them this November, but it won't.
Iraq is an integral part of the War on Terror. Lefties are also lying that Bush, Cheney, et al. claimed that there was a link between Saddam and the 9/11 attacks. No one in the Administration ever said any such thing.