The Pope is sorry - for what?

[Kathy30]

http://today.reuters.com/news/articlenews.aspx?type=worldNews&storyid=2006-09-16T151600Z_01_L16121346_RTRUKOC_0_US-POPE-ISLAM.xml&src=rss&rpc=22

The Vatican has issued a statement that the Pope is sorry that muslims are so crazy. Since the muzzies have demanded the Pope apologize personally, and since the Pope is NOT sorry for saying what he did, the apoligy is likely to result in more muslim violence.

[Maggie_T]

"The Pope spoke like a politician rather than as a man of religion," Erdogan said in televised remarks.


And the "Religion of Peace" acts like blood-thirsty terrorism. Your point?


The New York Times said in an editorial the Pope must issue a "deep and persuasive" apology for quotes used in his speech.

The New York Times can kiss my Catholic ass. :flame: As soon as THEY issue a deep and persuasive apology for every slur and insult they flung at Christian conservatives in general, and Bush in particular, I might, if I feel like it, consider the idea of the Pope apologizing to bloody terrorists.


But Bertone said the Pontiff "had absolutely no intention" of presenting Emperor Manuel's opinions on Islam as his own.

There. Take that as apology. That's more, so much more, than these bastards deserve.

Of, please God. Give the Pope the strengh not to cave in to the Liberal/Islamofascist Coallition. Please, Lord. Please?

[EveningStar]

The Pope: "I'm sorry that I upset you people so much that you decided to firebomb several churches."

[DoctorDoom]

A realistic "apology": "I am very sorry that you hell-bound, camel-raping assholes are wasting oxygen and need to be exterminated like the f'ing parasites that you are. I am also sorry that your god is a bloodthirsty pagan idol who fellates pigs and eats ham sandwiches, and that your prophet was a child-molesting lunatic who should have been beheaded before he started hallucinating and ranting that bullshit in the Koran."

[Kathy30]

You have a way with words Doctor Doom. It gets right to the point and says it all.

[Longhorn_Platinum]

:unsmile: There is only one God. His name is not "Allah". Mohammed is not His prophet.

[dPrasse]

well , Emperor Manuel Paleologos II had it correct so many centuries ago ...
the Jihadist Muzzie Terrorists are NOT some fringe group taking the Koran out of context ... the are a main fixture of Islam ...

I love the Muzzie reaction ...

"We are not violent , now who can we kill or what church can we bomb or which street is best to riot on ..."

They prove the Popes point ...
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[EveningStar]

A realistic "apology": "I am very sorry that you hell-bound, camel-raping assholes are wasting oxygen and need to be exterminated like the f'ing parasites that you are. I am also sorry that your god is a bloodthirsty pagan idol who fellates pigs and eats ham sandwiches, and that your prophet was a child-molesting lunatic who should have been beheaded before he started hallucinating and ranting that bullshit in the Koran."
This post alone makes this thread a HOF contender.

[Maggie_T]

Well, I've just heard it on TV that the Pope apologized to the towelheads.

Is ANYONE going to defend us from this scourge that is Islamofascism?! Do ANY of our alleged "leaders" have the pair to stand up to these 7th century barbarians? Or are they all going to fold like Chinese fans and force us all to be slaughtered in the name of Allah?! :flame:

I went to church today firmly decided to walk away if any mention of a papal apology was made (Lord knows I have to endure all sorts of whinings about "let us pray for understanding among nations", etc. every Sunday). I was surprised that none was made. Now I know why. :flame:

I called a radio talk show this morning on the subject and gave them a thick piece of my mind.

That's it. I've had it. I am sick to death, fed to the back teeth, with all this suicidal ONE-SIDED nonsense about forgiveness, understanding, tolerance, etc. I intend to defend myself, my country, my loved ones, my values, my beliefs, my fellow country men and women, my friends. And if I have to send some people to our Creator before their time is up for that, so be it. The Lord and I will just have to agree to disagree on this issue.

Forgive me, Lord. You want me to be a wuss ... beg Your pardon, You want me to be meek, and I just do not have it in me. Just have mercy on me.

I just cannot deal with this anymore today. I'll go back to my house chores (they say honest work always takes your mind off your troubles for some time, at least), I'll do some shopping, and I'll dine with friends tonight, and tomorrow will be another day.

[Maggie_T]

Bumperoo

[Timberwolf]

Forgive them (the muzzies that is...not y'all), Father, for they know not what they do. We need to pray for the muslims. They have been deceived by the prince of lies. Our God is far more powerful than theirs...agreed? Then why should we waste our time and effort cursing them, when we could petition God for protection against them? Remember...HIS will be done, not ours. Whether we like it or not, NOTHING happens without God LETTING it happen.

I do not understand God's will, but I know everything that is happening, as I type this, is happening in order to bring HIS PERFECT WILL into being.

That being said, I will defend myself, my family, my friends, my acquaintances and my country from the delusional camel jockeys...but, I am going to be praying for them to come to the Truth, too.

[Beowulf]

If the pope can't say it, I will.

The religion of Islam is violent and not one of peace as they say. In fact, it is evil, promoting the berating of women as 3rd class citizens and the execution of non-Muslims.

Any Arabs who feel offended can come to my doorstep if they have the fortitude to do so.

[Maggie_T]

Forgive them (the muzzies that is...not y'all), Father, for they know not what they do. We need to pray for the muslims. They have been deceived by the prince of lies. Our God is far more powerful than theirs...agreed? Then why should we waste our time and effort cursing them, when we could petition God for protection against them? Remember...HIS will be done, not ours. Whether we like it or not, NOTHING happens without God LETTING it happen.

Wolfie, I understand where you're comming from. But does that mean that we should just fold like a congressman's spine and do nothing? Just let Islamofascists do what they want. God will teach them in due time.

Sorry, I can't agree. Oh, I agree that God will have the last word, no doubt about that. But I'll be dammed if I'm going to sit on my butt and let 7th century barbarians take over.

God also said that He helps he who helps himself. I apologize beforehand if I misunderstood you, Wolf. But your paragraph sounds like the one by that stupid liberal Brit who brayed "Do you prefer to live knowing you killed someone, or do you prefer to die knowing you did the morally right thing?" or some such imbecility.

I do not understand God's will, but I know everything that is happening, as I type this, is happening in order to bring HIS PERFECT WILL into being.

Amen. Having said that, I intend to give the Lord a helping hand. Yes, I know He does not need it, but I'll do it nevertheless. No big deal. On me.

That being said, I will defend myself, my family, my friends, my acquaintances and my country from the delusional camel jockeys...but, I am going to be praying for them to come to the Truth, too.

Well, you're a better person than I, Wolf, I must say.

[Peachdiane]

God also said that He helps he who helps himself.

That reminds me... Last night, I saw a brief flash of the Simpsons last night. I didn't see the whole episode but the people were calling on Jesus to help and he said, "No, I help those who help themselves."

Anyway this is exactly why it makes me crazy when Libs bring up acts commited in the name of Christianity by non-Christians. Every time Islam is criticized by a person in the public eye, deadly violence ensues. True Christians and Jewish people don't get violent when criticized.

[Maggie_T]

What drives me bonkers is when schmucks (either liberal or Islamofascist) start braying about THE CRUSADES. :rolleyes:

Hey, imbeciles. That was CENTURIES ago. We don't do that anymore. The only ones who haven't gotten over that are Islamofascists.

[Incident_command]

And the Pope stands alone. Not one other leader has the BALLS to defend him or what he said. Once more Islam has won a battle.:flame:

[Kathy30]

We need a new Crusades. We shouldn't run away from it, but embrace it. The Crusades were undertaken to purge Europe and Jerusalem of muslims. The world needs another housecleaning.

I do not care if there are muslims who do not support their radical elements. Too bad for them. Like it was too bad for the Germans who didn't support the nazis, or Japanese who didn't like what the Emperor was doing. We didn't care then and we shouldn't care now. Innocent people on BOTH sides of a war get hurt and die. The muslims are no different than anyone else.

[markus3622]

You folks amaze me.

[Kathy30]

And the Pope stands alone. Not one other leader has the BALLS to defend him or what he said. Once more Islam has won a battle.:flame:

Tell him how you feel. If leaders won't defend the Pope that doesn't mean no one else can.

lev@lev.va

[markus3622]

What drives me bonkers is when schmucks (either liberal or Islamofascist) start braying about THE CRUSADES. :rolleyes:

Hey, imbeciles. That was CENTURIES ago. We don't do that anymore. The only ones who haven't gotten over that are Islamofascists.

We need a new Crusades. We shouldn't run away from it, but embrace it. The Crusades were undertaken to purge Europe and Jerusalem of muslims. The world needs another housecleaning.

I just thought those two posts should go side by side.

[Peachdiane]

What drives me bonkers is when schmucks (either liberal or Islamofascist) start braying about THE CRUSADES. :rolleyes:

Hey, imbeciles. That was CENTURIES ago. We don't do that anymore. The only ones who haven't gotten over that are Islamofascists.

Yeah, I was thinking of that lame argument too. For starters, the Crusades were DEFENSIVE, which is what the Libs aren't getting. The Crusades were a direct response to Muslim aggression—an attempt to turn back or defend against Muslim conquests of Christian lands.

[Incident_command]

You folks amaze me.

How so

[Wolfcounsel]

"You folks amaze me." --markus3622

And the tantrum-thowing imbeciles don't amaze you?

[Kathy30]

Self-defense always amazes a lib.

[markus3622]

They also amaze me Wolfcounsel. I understand there's a lot of hyperbole on the internet, and so perhaps I shouldn't take it seriously but what's written is appalling.

"I am very sorry that you hell-bound, camel-raping assholes are wasting oxygen and need to be exterminated like the f'ing parasites that you are" -Doctor Dooms supports a holocaust orders of magnitude greater than that perpetrated by Hitler. In fact, one member views it as "Hall of Fame" material.

"Or are they all going to fold like Chinese fans and force us all to be slaughtered in the name of Allah?!" Now I believe Al Qa'eda and Islamic terrorism to be a real threat that needs to be eradicated. However, Islamic terrorists have so far succeeded in killing, what, 5,000 americans. Is there a remote possibility that "all will be slaugtered in the name of Allah", or that "7th Century Barbarians will take over"?

"For starters, the Crusades were DEFENSIVE, which is what the Libs aren't getting." - Well, to say that the Crusades were either defensive or offensive would be ridiculously simplistic to a number of military campaigns that took place over 200 years, and witnessed terrible atrocities on both sides.

I'll be the first to say that Islam is a silly, backwards religion. Being a manmade institution (we can all agree on that), Islam can be as violent or as peaceful as individuals want it to be. That being said, calls for a religious war against 1.3 billion Muslims, most of whom want to live in peace, are crazy. It would be an unwinnable war, that would go against all standards of civilized behaviour and could not be justified in any way. I refer to Just War Theory.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Just_War_tradition

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[Maggie_T]

You folks amaze me.


A little more respect here, ducky. We are the ones who will probably save your sorry butts ... once again.

Use-To-Be-Great Britain has folded like a Chinese fan, like the rest of Europe. She's playing opposites: criminals are the good guys, who have to be pampered and protected. Heaven help the poor policeman who risks his life to put a criminal in jail, where he belongs! If he puts the criminal sod's life in danger, he's history! I have no doubt that that applies to terrorists as well.

Sorry, mate. When your country goes back to being if only a shadow of what she used to be, then you can come riding your high horse and taking the high moral tone. And maybe, maybe, we'll give you five minutes of our time.

Right now, I suggest you go and read the Koran and/or try to learn Arabic or something. You'll need it pretty soon.

[markus3622]

Alright, let's tackle this question of Muslims in Britain, seeing as you brought it up.

The current UK population is 60 million. The Muslim population is 1.5million. The current US population is 300 million. The Muslim population 5.8 million according to World Almanac. In short, the chances of either country having anything approaching muslim majorities in the next 100 years is miniscule. Are you learning Arabic to be safe?

The reason I can adopt a moral tone, is that I'm not advocating a religious war.

[Maggie_T]

I have no intention whatsoever of learning Arabic, wearing a burka, or worshipping that perversion of a religion they call Islam.

And I have the slight suspicion that come the moment, Americans will tell liberals (both the local and foreign variety) to STFU, and they will deal with Islamofascism like they did with the other fascism.

So spare me your numbers, ducky. It only makes it worse for you. To think that you are in the majority and still you allow a bunch of diaperhead (yes, I said diaperheads; sue me) to lead you by the nose.

Shame on you. I feel sorry for you, Europeans. A pity born or contempt, not compassion, you understand.

[markus3622]

And I have the slight suspicion that come the moment, Americans will tell liberals (both the local and foreign variety) to STFU, and they will deal with Islamofascism like they did with the other fascism.

If history serves me correct, wasn't it liberals that stood up to the other fascism and conservatives who were happy to appease (broadly speaking at least, until 1941)?

So spare me your numbers, ducky. It only makes it worse for you. To think that you are in the majority and still you allow a bunch of diaperhead (yes, I said diaperheads; sue me) to lead you by the nose.

On what specific basis are British people being led by the nose by Muslims? What policy measures, other than allowing Muslims to live in the UK (as the US does) are we adopting that Americans aren't?

[Kathy30]

muslims aren't 1.5 million but 1.5 BILLION. They are approaching majorities in Germany and in France already.

Britian has made great changes to accommodate the muslims. It is a crime to speak out against islam at all. Last week alone, hospital have adopted surgical burkas for islamic women.

The United States has made accommodations to islam in US cities as some cities with only 20% muslim getting the city to allow the call to prayers throughout the night and early morning.

Canada has bowed to islamic pressure and incorporated portions of sharia law into their civil code.

muslims simply threaten violence and suicide bombs and countries cave almost without a word against such foolish actions. The Pope has stood up against islam. I'm not a Catholic, but he has certainly risen more than a few notches in my book.

[Republican_Legion]

If history serves me correct, wasn't it liberals that stood up to the other fascism and conservatives who were happy to appease (broadly speaking at least, until 1941)?



On what specific basis are British people being led by the nose by Muslims? What policy measures, other than allowing Muslims to live in the UK (as the US does) are we adopting that Americans aren't?

Churchill was a conservative and he stood up against Hitler.

[Lubbock]

marcus, you don't understand two things:

1.) Terrorism attacks the soul of a nation and the souls of the people who occupy that nation; and,

2.) Sooner or later, the civilized world will strike back in-kind against Terrorism.

As regards 2.), when the strike back begins, I suggest you duck and cover because it's going to get real nasty, real quick, and we all know how you Libs react to anyone or any nation taking a firm stand to defend themself/itself.


It's coming.

If the Death Cult Diaperheads don't sit down and shut up soon, this "Pope Thing" may be the spark.

I just don't think anyone or any group of people can go around calling for the assassination of the Pope and hope to survive for very long.

It's one thing to call for the death of the President of the United States of America, or to call for Death to America; you can get away with that because most of the rest of the world is on your side, but going after the Pope is a whole other can of worms.

If there's any Muslim-Voice-Of-Reason with any influence at all, that person better be calming these Death Cultists down --to at least a dull roar, before War-In-Earnest breaks out.

[Maggie_T]

If history serves me correct, wasn't it liberals that stood up to the other fascism and conservatives who were happy to appease (broadly speaking at least, until 1941)?

Don't you DARE compare yourself to old-fashioned liberals. You are neo-liberals, at best. You have nothing in common with real liberals. You're a bunch of dried-up, decadent has-beens who stole words like liberal, progressive, compassionate, that fit you like a square peg fits a round hole, to disguise that you are socialists, even communists.

Liberals, indeed. That's a laugh.

On what specific basis are British people being led by the nose by Muslims? What policy measures, other than allowing Muslims to live in the UK (as the US does) are we adopting that Americans aren't?

You are doing much more than allowing them to live in your country. You are allowing them to scare the shit out of you to the point that nobody can even call them terrorist, or utter the slightest criticism in their general direction. You allow them to gradually overtake your country under some pathetic justification that you are being "tolerant, compassionate, pro-multiculturalist." Your country doesn't even know it's own history anymore.

Read Londonistan. But you won't. And if you do, you'll accuse Melanie Philips of being racist, bigoted, etc.

Oh, I know your ilk, markus. You forget that we are afflicted by the same kind of vermin here, in America. Liberals are the same all over the world: cowardly, stupid, ignorant, pusillanimous, weak, decadent, arrogant (with nothing to account for it), intolerant, high-faluting, pedantic, self-centered, rotted with self-loathing and white guilt ... I could go on, but I'm sure even you get my meaning.

Personally, I am sick of you all.

[DoctorDoom]

You folks amaze me.You libs bore me.

[Lubbock]

Ahhhhhhhh . . .

Now I get it.


Somewhere along the way, I missed the fact that marcus is a Brit. That explains it.

Not that we don't have our own yellow-bellies here at home --we do, but marcus being a Brit makes this Lib-yada-yada he posts easier to digest.

[Wolfcounsel]

"...calls for a religious war against 1.3 billion Muslims, most of whom want to live in peace, are crazy. It would be an unwinnable war, that would go against all standards of civilized behaviour and could not be justified in any way. I refer to Just War Theory." --markus3622

This would be a just war, to eradicate every damned Muslim from the face of the Earth, because there is no Muslim that approaches the standard of human on this planet. He is only a creature from Hell, living with his thumbs up his ass and allowing his violent brethren to commit atrocities, or he is one of them outright. The next group to eradicate are the cheerleaders for these parasites. We eradicate them along with their friends, or we eradicate them after the Muslim annihilation. Don't dare to call this genocide either. The cockroaches are from every damned race and ethnic group, and everybody knows it.

[Maggie_T]

It would be an unwinnable war, that would go against all standards of civilized behaviour and could not be justified in any way.

There. That's all liberals want to hear. No can do. "We can't do it, so we won't even try. Let them take over, if they want. Western civilization has to go, anyway. We've been too mean, too imperialistic. Besides, we're better than them, blah, blah, blah." Incidentally, isn't that a bit discriminating? Funny how they are ready to get killed so as not to be discriminating, and then, right there, they go and say something like that. Liberals are NOT very smart.

I wouldn't give a damn if European and American liberals chose to go that way. Problem is, they'll drag us all behind them. And that is unacceptable.

[DeclinetoState]

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[PatrioticAmerican]

Seems markus is direly concerned with our views than he is with terrorists' actions. Yup. He's a lib.

[heikediguoren]

Don't you DARE compare yourself to old-fashioned liberals. You are neo-liberals, at best. You have nothing in common with real liberals. You're a bunch of dried-up, decadent has-beens who stole words like liberal, progressive, compassionate, that fit you like a square peg fits a round hole, to disguise that you are socialists, even communists.


Careful now. It sounds like you almost complimented Depression-era liberals, who increased the scope of government through the New Deal and Social Security. "Stole words like liberal"? That sounds like you want that word back. You don't want that, now, do you? If you don't keep your ideology consistent, then you run the risk of...flip-flopping.

[Trau]

They are approaching majorities in Germany and in France already.

GARBAGE. There are three million Muslims in Germany; Germany has a population of 82 million people. France has between five and ten percent of its people as Muslims. These are nowhere near majorities.

We all recognizes the threat that Islam poses to Europe, but lets be honest.

[markus3622]

Churchill was a conservative and he stood up against Hitler.

I thought someone would bring Churchill up. He underlines the point. He was a pariah in the Conservative Party for warning about Hitler for years. Many on the right viewed Hitler as a valuable bulwark against Communism.

[markus3622]

Don't you DARE compare yourself to old-fashioned liberals. You are neo-liberals, at best. You have nothing in common with real liberals. You're a bunch of dried-up, decadent has-beens who stole words like liberal, progressive, compassionate, that fit you like a square peg fits a round hole, to disguise that you are socialists, even communists.



I thought Reagan and Thatcher were neo-liberals. It's all getting confusing. Were the 1940s conservatives now liberals, and the 1940s liberals now conservatives? Why shouldn't I be proud of a liberal heritage, that stretches back through the Labour Party, JFK, Roosevelt the Liberals under Lloyd George, Gladstone, and Mill. Just because it doesn't fit into your worldview, why shouldn't we be honest and say it was liberals that stood up to fascism. Why should we pretend it didn't happen?



You are doing much more than allowing them to live in your country. You are allowing them to scare the shit out of you to the point that nobody can even call them terrorist, or utter the slightest criticism in their general direction. You allow them to gradually overtake your country under some pathetic justification that you are being "tolerant, compassionate, pro-multiculturalist." Your country doesn't even know it's own history anymore.

Read Londonistan. But you won't. And if you do, you'll accuse Melanie Philips of being racist, bigoted, etc.



There's nothing actually specific there, is there? Just general rants about allowing Muslims to "overtake" the country.

[markus3622]

There. That's all liberals want to hear. No can do. "We can't do it, so we won't even try. Let them take over, if they want. Western civilization has to go, anyway. We've been too mean, too imperialistic. Besides, we're better than them, blah, blah, blah." Incidentally, isn't that a bit discriminating? Funny how they are ready to get killed so as not to be discriminating, and then, right there, they go and say something like that. Liberals are NOT very smart.



You're deliberately missing the point. Trying to eradicate 1.3 billion Muslims isn't about lacking the "can-do" attitude. It's about the morality behind it. Even though it would be logistically impossible, it would be the greatest crime ever perpertrated by mankind.

Hitler wouldn't have been justified in commiting the holocaust, even if some Jews had burned the Reichstag.

You seem to suggesting that there are two options.

1) Commit holocaust against 1.3 billion people
2) Be eradicated by Muslim invaders.

I can't believe I'm even bothering to discuss with someone whether genocide is a good or bad thing.

[Wolfcounsel]

"I can't believe I'm even bothering to discuss with someone whether genocide is a good or bad thing." --markus3622

Any idiot can become a Muslim. One does not have to be a certain race or of any specific ethnic group. It is not genocide to kill every Muslim AND cheerleader who gets in the way of freedom. And it is completely possible to kill every single one of the cockroaches.

[Lubbock]

"I can't believe I'm even bothering to discuss with someone whether genocide is a good or bad thing." --markus3622

Then why are you doing it?

If the members of this forum are so odious, and our opinions don't meet with your approval, why don't you just go away? Go find yourself a forum that meets your standards for intellectual brilliance and leave we poor, ignorant unwashed masses to our delusions?

It's the only thing that makes sense to me.

Out of the millions of web sites, surely there must be at least one Terrorist Support site where you can find like-minded people to have discussions with.

[markus3622]

"I can't believe I'm even bothering to discuss with someone whether genocide is a good or bad thing." --markus3622

Any idiot can become a Muslim. One does not have to be a certain race or of any specific ethnic group. It is not genocide to kill every Muslim AND cheerleader who gets in the way of freedom. And it is completely possible to kill every single one of the cockroaches.

Actually, it is genocide. I'm going to quote from the Genocide Convention, Article II of 1948.

In the present Convention, genocide means any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group, as such:
(a) Killing members of the group;
(b) Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group;
(c) Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part;
(d) Imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group;
(e) Forcibly transferring children of the group to another group.

If the members of this forum are so odious, and our opinions don't meet with your approval, why don't you just go away?

Because this website is called FreeConservatives.com. There is nothing conservative, christian, moral, decent or in the best tradition of America about advocating genocide. It shouldn't be up to me as a British liberal to defend American Conservative values, but if you won't I may have to.

[Wolfcounsel]

From markus3622's link above--

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What kind of an idiot believes religious affiliation is genetic? Not calling you an idiot, markus. I'm calling the imbeciles who made the distinction idiots.

[Lubbock]

There is everything conservative, christian, moral, and decent about eradicating evil.

Liberals can't/don't/won't recognize evil when they come eye to eye with it.

How on earth can Liberals can look at the stated goals of Islam and not recognize evil, is beyond anything I can comprehend.

[markus3622]

From markus3622's link above--

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What kind of an idiot believes religious affiliation is genetic? Not calling you an diot, markus. I'm calling the imbeciles who made the distinction idiots.

Why should genetics be the factor, knowing what we know scientifically about race? Genocide has nothing to do with genetics. The definition covers Christians being killed in China, as well as racial groups. It doesn't make it ok to kill some people because they're not part of some extended family.

[markus3622]

There is everything conservative, christian, moral, and decent about eradicating evil.

Liberals can't/don't/won't recognize evil when they come eye to eye with it.

How on earth can Liberals can look at the stated goals of Islam and not recognize evil, is beyond anything I can comprehend.

And genocide is evil. I struggle to see how you can't recognise that. Do you have any Muslim friends?

Please note, I see radical Islam as a real threat.

[Wolfcounsel]

"The definition covers Christians being killed in China, as well as racial groups. It doesn't make it ok to kill some people because they're not part of some extended family." --markus3622

Christians are being killed there because they are Christian. I am for killing Muslims, because a true Islamic believer finds it okay to murder the non-believer, and only a dumbass would give the peaceful ones a chance to co-exist. They are the people from the devil's butthole, farted out to make Hell on Earth.


"Please note, I see radical Islam as a real threat." --markus3622, to Lubbock

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[markus3622]

Wolfcounsel, do you have any muslim friends?

[markus3622]

Do you want to kill them before they kill you, or what?

In WW2 we didn't go out and decide to kill all Germans, Japanese, and Italians. In the same way, I don't believe the solution to radical islam is to kill all muslims.

[Wolfcounsel]

"Wolfcounsel, do you have any muslim friends?" --marjus3622

I don't have any Muslim friends. I don't hang around with people who are anal-retentive or believe it is okay to call Jews pigs and apes, or who believe it is okay to lie to an infidel or murder one, or who believe a Muslim who dies while killing an infidel is guaranteed 72 virgins in Paradise, or who believes the testimony of two women is worth that of one man, or that women's inheritance equals one half of a man's. Hey. I can go on and fill up these pages with Islamic bullshit, but, why?

[Wolfcounsel]

"In WW2 we didn't go out and decide to kill all Germans, Japanese, and Italians. In the same way, I don't believe the solution to radical islam is to kill all muslims." --markus3622

In a war against the camel humpers, I will target every Muslim or person who decides to act as a shield for a fanatic, or anyone who is forced to act as a shield.

[Lubbock]

I have friends from my years of living in Pakistan, with whom I still correspond. I wouldn't call them Muslim, although they are Pakistani; I never knew of them attending Mosque or practicing the Muslim faith. I think they would consider themselves Muslim.

Why?

" . . . In WW2 we didn't go out and decide to kill all Germans, Japanese, and Italians. . . . "

Really?

We didn't?

History tells me that we killed enough of them to make them want to quit killing us.

And my history also tell me that we weren't at war with Italy. If the history books are right, we liberated Italy, just as we did France, Germany, and saved England from Hitler.

For a Brit, you're not very well versed in your own history.

[markus3622]

I have friends from my years of living in Pakistan, with whom I still correspond. I wouldn't call them Muslim, although they are Pakistani; I never knew of them attending Mosque or practicing the Muslim faith. I think they would consider themselves Muslim.

Why? Because then you'll know not all muslims want to kill you.



Really?


Yes

We didn't? That's right, we didn't.



And my history also tell me that we weren't at war with Italy.

Well, your history book must be wrong then. Mussolini declared war on Britain in 1940 and was one of the axis powers until 1943.
For a Brit, you're not very well versed in your own history.

It appears I know it better than you.

[Kathy30]

No one suggests killing all musllims. At least I don't think so. We never killed all the Germans or all the Japanese. We never even killed all the Native Americans. Islam, in its current state has to go. Peaceful muslims would appreciate that as much as the peaceful Germans appreciated getting rid of the Nazis.

[markus3622]

No one suggests killing all musllims. At least I don't think so.

This would be a just war, to eradicate every damned Muslim from the face of the Earth, because there is no Muslim that approaches the standard of human on this planet

Having said that, you have advocated a war on Islam ("we need a new crusades"). How would you define victory in such a war?

[Lubbock]

Yep.

Mussolini did declare war on Britan.

[Wolfcounsel]

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"Having said that, you have advocated a war on Islam ("we need a new crusades"). How would you define victory in such a war?" --markus3622

Yes, I have. I would target every Muslim AND SYMPATHIZER (something you haven't stated I advocate). How does one sympathize? Easy. Just wrap your loving arms around any Muslim in my gunsight. I would define victory in such a war as when every damned mullah, imam, and assahola demanded of every Muslim complete surrender to common sense and received it.

[markus3622]

Forced deconversions from Islam then?

[Kathy30]

Having said that, you have advocated a war on Islam ("we need a new crusades"). How would you define victory in such a war?

When every believer in militant islam is dead. When the koran is rewritten and reinterpreted. When no madrassas exists anywhere in the world.

[Wolfcounsel]

"Forced deconversions from Islam then?" --markus3622

No. I would make it illegal for their damned religion to spout hate, division and murder as being permissible against women and non-believers. It would be The Koran, second edition. I am certain Muslim women would prefer being equal to the Muslim man. "Take it or die!" would be the plan.

[DoctorDoom]

Forced deconversions from Islam then?If being dispatched to the next life counts as "deconversion" ...

[Peachdiane]

Having said that, you have advocated a war on Islam ("we need a new crusades").

I advocate a war on the cult of death. Take a look at this very tiny list of terrorism and tell me why we shouldn't advocate such a war against the death cultists.


April 1980
Iranian Arabs seized the Iranian embassy in London, taking twenty-six people hostage. Two hostages were killed on May 5. Special forces stormed the embassy, rescuing the remaining hostages and killing five of the six terrorists. Much of the embassy was destroyed by fire.

May 1982
Abu Nidal terrorists critically injured the Israeli ambassador to the United Kingdom in an attack in London. The shooting caused the government of Israel to launch an invasion of Lebanon in the "Peace for Galilee" operation.

July 1982
Eleven persons were killed on July 20, 1982 in Regency Park and Hyde Park in London by bombs planted by the Provisional Irish Republican Army (PIRA), a Northern Ireland terrorist organization which is trying to force the U.K. out of Northern Ireland so that Ulster can be united with the Republic of Ireland.

August 1982
Gunmen threw a grenade into a restaurant in Paris and then opened fire with automatic weapons, killing six people and wounding twenty-seven. Two of the dead and two of the wounded were Americans. Action Directe claimed, and then denied, responsibility for the attack.

April 1983
A car bomb exploded in front of the U.S. embassy in Beirut, killing sixty-three people, including seventeen Americans. More than one hundred others were wounded. Islamic Jihad claimed responsibility, calling the bombing "part of the Islamic revolution." Iran subsequently denied having any role in the attack.

Oct 1983
Terrorists bombed the U.S. Marine compound in Beirut, causing the largest loss of U.S. military personnel in a single event since the Vietnam War. The blast, which killed 241, was carried out by Muslim militias after U.S. warships intervened in Lebanon's civil war.

Dec 1983
Harrod's department store in London was bombed on December 16, by the northern Ireland terrorist organization Provisional Irish Republican Army (PIRA). The bombing killed five, including one U.S. citizen, and injured ninety-one others.

Sept 1984
Fourteen people were killed and seventy were wounded when a van loaded with four hundred pounds of explosives drove past the checkpoint in front of the U.S. embassy annex in Awkar and exploded. The driver of the van was shot and killed by British security guards. Islamic Jihad claimed responsibility for the bombing in a call to the media.

June 1985
A bomb exploded on an Air India flight over the North Atlantic following its departure from Canada, killing all three hundred twenty-nine passengers on board. A second bomb exploded at Narita Airport in Japan, killing two people. Sikh extremists claimed responsibility for both bombings.

July 1985
Abu Nidal terrorists bombed a British Airways ticket office in Madrid, killing one person and injuring twenty-seven. A TWA office also was destroyed. The bombings apparently were in retaliation against President Reagan's threat the previous day to strike against terrorism.

Oct 1985
Four Palestinian gunmen hijacked the Italian cruise ship "Achille Lauro" off Alexandria, Egypt. While off the Syrian port of Tartus, the terrorists killed a wheelchair-bound American. Egypt and Italy negotiated the return of the ship and the remaining passengers. U.S. fighters intercepted an Egyptian jet carrying the hijackers and forced it down at a NATO base in Italy.

Nov 1985
An Egyptian jet was hijacked to Malta. Fifty-nine passengers, including one American, were killed when Egyptian troops stormed the plane in Malta on November 24.

April 1986
Four Americans were killed and nine people, including five Americans, were injured when a bomb exploded aboard TWA flight 840 as it traveled from Rome to Athens. The aircraft was able to land safely at Athens airport.

April 1986
Le Belle Disco, a nightclub in West Berlin frequented by U.S. servicemen, was bombed, killing two American soldiers and one Turkish woman. Two hundred others were wounded in the bombing. Libya was implicated in the bombing.

Sept 1986
Twenty-one Jewish worshipers were killed in Istanbul during an attack on a synagogue by an Abu Nidal terrorist team.

June 1987
A car bomb exploded outside the back gate of the U.S. Embassy in Rome and rockets were fired at the compound from across the street. One passerby was injured in the attacks.

Nov 1987
Korean Air Lines Flight 858 was blown up over the Andaman Sea near Burma by two North Korean agents, killing all 115 persons aboard.

Nov 1987
Thirteen people were killed in the Northern Ireland town of Enniskillen when the Provisional Irish Republican Army (PIRA) detonated a bomb during the town's observance of Remembrance Day.

Dec 1988
Pan Am Flight 103, outbound from London for New York with 259 people aboard, was destroyed by a bomb on December 21, 1988 while over Lockerbie, Scotland. All aboard the aircraft were killed as were eleven persons on the ground at Lockerbie.

Sept 1989
UTA Flight 772 from Chad was blown up by bomb while flying over the Sahara desert in Niger, killing all 171 passengers and crew onboard.

Feb 1993
Terrorism came to U.S. soil for the first time in the 1993 bombing of the World Trade Center, which killed six and injured 1,000. The mastermind was Ramzi Ahmed Yousef, a Pakistani militant trained in Afghanistan. Yousef was captured in 1995 in Pakistan. When he was brought to New York for trial, he bragged to FBI agents that he could have destroyed the complex if he'd had sufficient funds and equipment.

March 1995
Terrorists used chemical weapons for the first time when Aum Shinrikyo, also known as the Aum Supreme Truth, simultaneously released the chemical nerve agent sarin on several Tokyo subway trains. Twelve people were killed and up to 6,000 injured.

April 1995
At 9:03 AM, a truck bomb shattered the Alfred P Murrah Federal Building in downtown Oklahoma City, killing 168 people-including children playing in the building's day care center.

June 1996
The explosion of a fuel truck set off by terrorists outside the northern fence of the Khobar Towers complex near King Abdul Aziz Air Base, Saudi Arabia, killed 19 U.S. military service members and injured over 260.

Aug 1998
In Nairobi, Kenya a car bomb exploded behind the US Embassy, killing 291 persons and wounding about 5,000. Terrorists associated with Usama Bin Ladin' al-Qaida organization also detonated an extremely large truck bomb outside the US Embassy in Tanzania, killing 10 Tanzanians and injured 77 persons.

Sept 2001
America experiences its worst case of terrorism when Usama Bin Ladin trained and funded agents take over four domestic airliners. Two jets are flown into the Twin Towers of the World Trade Center, causing an estimated number of 3,000 people to lose their lives. A third plane is flown into the Pentagon, killing around 180 people. In western Pennsylvania the fourth hijacked jet crashes after passengers struggle with the terrorists.

Oct 2002
More than 180 people are killed in a double terrorist bombing in Bali, Indonesia. Over 300 people — many of whom were foreign tourists — are injured in the attack on a nightclub on the resort island. Jemaah Islamiyah, an Islamic extremist group allied with Al Qaeda, is believed to be behind the blasts

[markus3622]

I advocate a war on the cult of death. Take a look at this very tiny list of terrorism and tell me why we shouldn't advocate such a war against the death cultists.

What is the cult of death? Islam in general or islamic militants?

[DoctorDoom]

Islam. Its "holy" books command what terrorists do.

[Wolfcounsel]

"What is the cult of death? Islam in general or islamic militants?" --markus3622

Islam is the Cult of Death ,whether it has candy asses who do not follow what allah has "commanded" them to do, or whether it is jam-packed with camel humpers. It is also a scam made up by a pedophile.<!-- / message -->

[markus3622]

Therefore, the answer to Peachdiane's question is quite simple.

Take a look at this very tiny list of terrorism and tell me why we shouldn't advocate such a war against the death cultists.

Because Islam isn't responsible for the terrorism you cite.

[Kathy30]

Wrong. Islam is wholly and directly responsible for the cited terrorisim.

[markus3622]

Well, I'm listening to President Bush right now on the radio, and he would disagree with you.

[DoctorDoom]

Bush is being diplomatic.

[Maggie_T]

Guys, you're wasting your time. Markus is a liberal. New-Age liberal, neo-liberal, bloody liberal, whatever he wants to call himself. He's a socialist. He loves to think that all we have to do to combat Islamofascists is give them loads of money, hug them, join hands and sing Kumbaya. Yes, he's that naive. All liberals are.

His main problem is that he doesn't even acknowledge that his country has a problem (notice how he deliberately avoids the subject of Melanie Philips' Londonistan). He doesn't want to admit that Europe has been overtaken by Islamofascists. He wants "details." I mentioned one: the fact that nobody can say the slightest think against Islam, without Allah's thugs immediately going on a killing, blowing-things-up rampage. As shown in the original subject of this thread. He ignored it. Well, in my opinion, that's the worst. But leave it to a liberal not to realize the danger he's in. Or rather, leave it to a liberal to hide his head in the sand.

I have a lot more to say on the subject but I am at work. And anyway, what I have to say would be no news to you, and markus would just deny, or pooh-pooh, it.

So I will leave you with the tiresome, ever-frustrating task to trying to knock some sense into a person who is willfully blind to reality and yet thinks he is so superior because ... actually, I have no idea why he thinks he's so superior. Because he can babble about morality (a liberal; that's rich), "Just Wars", and so on? :rolleyes: Whatever.

See you tonight, guys. And may God give you patience. You'll need it.

[Peachdiane]

Because Islam isn't responsible for the terrorism you cite.

Of course it is. The death cult is not really about the cause it purports to serve. It's about the sheer pleasure of killing and dying. Islam is a DEATH CULT masquerading as a religion.

No wonder 'Islam' is so appealing to Leftists, criminals and psychopaths. We're supposed to get used to terrorism. Not me. You can give me all the shit in the world about “Islam means peace," or "There's moderate Muslims" but I turn on the TV, I surf the net (I've even looked at Islam sites) and see nothing but vile bloodshed from Muslims, what am I to believe…

If you expect me to buy into the notion that “Islam is peace”, then you and all your other peaceful Muslim friends better start policing your own selves. If not, well, we may need to kill these cultists then because that'll happen when pig fly. It seems like it's them, or it's us. I don't want another 9-11.

[Peachdiane]

His main problem is that he doesn't even acknowledge that his country has a problem (notice how he deliberately avoids the subject of Melanie Philips' Londonistan). He doesn't want to admit that Europe has been overtaken by Islamofascists.

'Course not. Dont'cha love how they put America under a microscope when they can't/won't even clean up their own bloody backyard?