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DesertFox
10-12-2006, 07:27 PM
Juan Williams
latimes.com
12 Oct 06


WHY NOT just go ahead and call me an Uncle Tom and a sellout? Why bother with trying to put a new coat of paint on the same old personal attacks by saying that I am "demeaning black people," that I'm the "black Ann Coulter" and a turncoat against the cause of racial progress for black people in the United States?

That's a sampling of the nastiness flying at me since I wrote a book that holds today's civil rights leaders accountable for serious problems inside black America. I've suggested that many poor people are capable of helping themselves by graduating high school, keeping a job and having children when they're married and ready to be parents.

It is easier to attack me than to deal with some hard facts. Here I go again, but let's look at the facts.

More (http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/la-oe-williams12oct12,0,1064817.story?coll=la-opinion-rightrail)

DesertFox
10-12-2006, 07:30 PM
Juan's finding out what it's like to cross his liberal buds, and doesn't seem to relish it.

Timberwolf
10-12-2006, 08:07 PM
Yet I'm condemned for asking why today's prominent civil rights leaders, such as Jesse Jackson, Al Sharpton and Maxine Waters, are not dealing with these problems. They prefer to call for more government programs and more white guilt.

And yet a poll done by the Pew Research Center a week after Hurricane Katrina found that two-thirds of black Americans agree with 75% of white Americans who say that too many poor people are overly dependent on government programs. In other words, a clear majority of the nation, including most black people, are saying that the poor need to look in the mirror and halt self-defeating behavior.
Amen, Juan...and just so you know, the problems that you cite cut across racial boundaries. It applies to everyone, regardless of color, stuck on the 'entitlement merry-go-round'.

DesertFox
10-12-2006, 08:13 PM
Only took Juan, what -- 30 years? -- to figure that out. Dude quick on the uptake for a liberal.

BarkleUSA
10-12-2006, 10:01 PM
Juan is discovering the true meaning of “speak truth to power”.

African Americans have been dipping into the White Guilt well for 40 years and the well is drying up quickly.

DoctorDoom
10-12-2006, 10:05 PM
Keep having your epiphany, Juan. We'd welcome another prominent black conservative to counteract the Jackson/Sharpton/Bond/Mfume cadre of race pimps and extortionists. There's real freedom off of the liberal plantation.

BarkleUSA
10-12-2006, 10:33 PM
As Harriet Tubman once said when asked why many southern blacks didn’t leave the plantation after the Civil War she answered, “ ‘cause they didn’t know they was slaves.”

Juan has finally figured it all out and his massers (Jackson, Sharpton, the Demorcatic Part, etc.) are not happy with him.

Wyatt_Junker
10-12-2006, 11:54 PM
WHY NOT just go ahead and call me an Uncle Tom and a sellout? Why bother with trying to put a new coat of paint on the same old personal attacks by saying that I am "demeaning black people," that I'm the "black Ann Coulter" and a turncoat against the cause of racial progress for black people in the United States!

That's a sampling of the nastiness flying at me since I wrote a book that holds today's civil rights leaders accountable for serious problems inside black America!

From the personal pronouns alone, I can tell that Juan feels betrayed. It looks authentic. I find it cute. Poor, poor Juan. Sometimes I forget how sweet lefties are. How blind their idealism really is, or, in his case, was.

His newfound epiphany is adorable. He's like a puppy first learning potty training. Betraying the lib base is like shitting on the rug. And then getting struck across the face with a scrolled up newspaper. Your master yelling "No! Bad dog!" Poor Juan. He piddled on a liberal myth.

When sweet innocence is suddenly snapped, finding out that playing the R card is less like real racism and more like the glee a rapist gets when he plows into your moral hymen. Juan is going through puberty. Poor Juan. He is growing up. Perhaps we could supply him with a box of tampons? A training bra. There will be a lot more bumps and bruises along the way than this.

What a fabulously late bloomer. I commend him, but I also find these folks slow on the draw. Compare that with someone like Chomsky and Juan looks incredibly evolved and a fast learner. So, I suppose its relative in a way.

Its as if he just discovered the phrase 'Uncle Tom' for the very first time. He never really understood it fully until he was slapped across the face with it. The betrayal of getting burned. Getting your cherry popped and then kicked out of bed. Its like a virgin *whooo* touched for the very first time. Like a viiiirgin. Just your heartbeat, next to mine *whoa oh oh*

Welcome to the dark side, brother.

DoctorDoom
10-13-2006, 12:49 AM
When he suffers the way Clarence Thomas has done for not kissing the butts of the race baiters, then he will have arrived.

LightHorseman
10-13-2006, 01:03 AM
today's prominent civil rights leaders, such as Jesse Jackson,

Jesse Jackson is a civil rights leader???

Venus de Smilo
10-13-2006, 04:38 AM
Juan deserves accolades and support, not catty hyperbole, for finally speaking the truth. To my knowledge, he was never a flaming, far-left wingnut in the first place, at least not during the probably ten years that I've been aware of his presence on the pundit stage.

I don't understand why some conservatives are ridiculing him. We need more like him. What he says is true. Conservatives are supposed to embrace truth. It's that simple.

PaulRevere
10-13-2006, 07:39 AM
Good point, Venus. You are right, except it's too much fun making fun of him. Thus ~

Juan knows what it felt like in the old days for a black man to have his hood pulled off in the middle of a Klan rally.

Okay, now I will congratulate Juan on his brave step off the plantation. Keep walking, Juan, and don't look back! You have friends on this side!

Peachdiane
10-13-2006, 08:15 AM
Liberals (especially whites) mock and disparage black conservatives like Juan along with Thomas Sowell, Walter Williams, Alan Keyes, and many others just because they don't fit into the liberal template. I refuse to stoop down to their level and do the same. Press on Juan!

Oh :btw: one of the best quotes EVER:

"...they said that I had sold out and Uncle Tom. And I said well, they deserve to have that view. But I have my thoughts. And I think they're race-hustling poverty pimps." -- J.C. Watts

DesertFox
10-13-2006, 09:09 AM
While it's true he's never been anywhere near as bad as most liberals and lib commentators, Juan's done his share of race pimping thru the years, too.

Wyatt_Junker
10-13-2006, 10:15 AM
Juan deserves accolades and support, not catty hyperbole, for finally speaking the truth.

Meow.

I know, I know.

But I like Purina!

You're right, of course, but its so hard when you finally see someone like Juan come to the light. Its like a retard in remission. You want to give him a high five, but then there's all those hilarious videos when he was running in the Special Olympics with drool running down his mouth.

I prefer the black conservatives that come rolling out of the womb without chains on their brain. Ward Connerly. Clarence Thomas. George Jefferson. Hardcore brothers with so much more soul than Spike Jones that they fart fried chicken'n biscuit. Being black is organic. Not ideological. Not political. All it means is that you tan easier than my lily white ass!

DesertFox
10-13-2006, 10:21 AM
But your lily white ass is so -- white.

Bluemoon_Rising
10-13-2006, 10:25 AM
Liberals (especially whites) mock and disparage black conservatives like Juan along with Thomas Sowell, Walter Williams, Alan Keyes, and many others just because they don't fit into the liberal template. I refuse to stoop down to their level and do the same. Press on Juan!

Oh :btw: one of the best quotes EVER:

Keyes . . . hmm. Dude turned out to be one the most colossal errors in judgment I ever made. A few years back I should have taken the advice of a fella who went by the name of DesertRat.

Hold your pity for Sowell and Williams; they're way past it . . . above and beyond it. They're not crying on anyone's sleeve and never have. Life's a kick, a wonderful blessing. They're men, Americans, historians, scholars and pundits. . . . Oh, yeah, they also happen to be black.

Poor Juan. He still wants to be a black man who just happens to be a pundit.

Hey, Juan!

Step off!

Go on! Step off!

Do it!

Yeah.

Yeah.

That’s it.

Now close your eyes and take a deep breath.

Good.

Now hold it.

Hold it.

Hold it.

Hold it.

Yeah.

Good.

Now let it out slowly.

That’s it.

Slowly.

Slowly.

Good.

Now open your eyes.

No, no, no, no! Don’t look back!

That’s it. There you go.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Now look around.

Don’t rush it!

Nice and slow.

That’s it.

That’s it.

Easy now.

Yeah.

Easy.

Easy.
.
.
.
.
.

Bam!

How’s it feel to be an American?

Wyatt_Junker
10-13-2006, 10:26 AM
But your lily white ass is so -- white.
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Pitch white. Irish eggshell white. Cellular ivory. With a smattering of albino and a smidgeon of Norwegian invisibility. Aryan snobbery. Like those paint samples from the Ralph Lauren collection. I shit oppression and hegemony.

DesertFox
10-13-2006, 10:27 AM
Yep. Desertrat was right about Keyes. I blew that one, too.

DesertFox
10-13-2006, 10:28 AM
Wyatt, tell us about the unbearable whiteness of being.

Wyatt_Junker
10-13-2006, 10:29 AM
Keyes . . . hmm. Dude turned out to be one the most colossal errors in judgment I ever made. A few years back I should have taken the advice of a fella who went by the name of DesertRat.

Hold your pity for Sowell and Williams; they're way past it . . . above and beyond it. They're not crying on anyone's sleeve and never have. Life's a kick, a wonderful blessing. They're men, Americans, historians, scholars and pundits. . . . Oh, yeah, they also happen to be black.

Poor Juan. He still wants to be a black man who just happens to be a pundit.

Hey, Juan!

Step off!

Go on! Step off!

Do it!

Yeah.

Yeah.

That’s it.

Now close your eyes and take a deep breath.

Good.

Now hold it.

Hold it.

Hold it.

Hold it.

Yeah.

Good.

Now let it out slowly.

That’s it.

Slowly.

Slowly.

Good.

Now open your eyes.

No, no, no, no! Don’t look back!

That’s it. There you go.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Now look around.

Don’t rush it!

Nice and slow.

That’s it.

That’s it.

Easy now.

Yeah.

Easy.

Easy.
.
.
.
.
.

Bam!

How’s it feel to be an American?

I like that. A bit of Emeril there at the end.

Dude best be steppin for seriously. And I don't mean the break-a dancin in your pants in.

Wyatt_Junker
10-13-2006, 10:32 AM
Yep. Desertrat was right about Keyes. I blew that one, too.

Keyes went south when those dark circles developed from outta nowhere around his eyes raccoon-style.

It looked medical.

Dude was seriously illin.

Maybe his adrenaline gland was peterin out. Sumpin.

Boy looked like shit.

Peachdiane
10-13-2006, 10:34 AM
And what did DesertRat say about Keyes? :question:

ANYONE, even Keyes, would be better than Obama!

Bluemoon_Rising
10-13-2006, 10:39 AM
Meow.

I know, I know.

But I like Purina!

You're right, of course, but its so hard when you finally see someone like Juan come to the light. Its like a retard in remission. You want to give him a high five, but then there's all those hilarious videos when he was running in the Special Olympics with drool running down his mouth.

I prefer the black conservatives that come rolling out of the womb without chains on their brain. Ward Connerly. Clarence Thomas. George Jefferson. Hardcore brothers with so much more soul than Spike Jones that they fart fried chicken'n biscuit. Being black is organic. Not ideological. Not political. All it means is that you tan easier than my lily white ass!

LMAO! Whew! I think I ruptured something.

Wyatt, have you got a license for that?

You nailed it, bro.

Bluemoon_Rising
10-13-2006, 11:19 AM
And what did DesertRat say about Keyes? :question:

ANYONE, even Keyes, would be better than Obama!

Keyes is a bright guy and eloquent. I just thought he was more than that.

Dude started givin' us the ol' smile and shoe shine, started whinin' when things got a little rough. Dude was runnin' as a conservative. Next thing I know, he's a black man with hole in his ass that couldn't be plugged, leaking that stuff at one end and crocodile droppin's at the other.

DesertFox
10-13-2006, 11:51 AM
Yeah. You could tell, when the going got rough, that Keyes hadn't held elective office before. He essentially did the same thing Perot did in 92 -- invented a reason to duck out.

Pennville_Bill
10-13-2006, 02:46 PM
I think the best conservative black epiphany I ever read was written in 2000 by J. J. Johnson, and it went like this:

I Don’t Want to be Black Anymore
J.J. Johnson - Written: 02.28.00

It's not working, folks.

I have tried to do everything I can to be the African-American I’m supposed to be, but I just cannot continue. I am hereby resigning myself from the Black Race. And before I get death threats from my Black brethren out there, hear me out.

I have almost made it through another Black history month, in which I’m supposed to do all I can to insult White people for 28 days. I guess I should even say the Black History month is a racial conspiracy by White people since they only gave us 28 (or 29) days to rip their dignity to shreds, while the other months have 30 or 31 days. I guess it’s just another example of the Black man not getting his fair share.

Frankly, many of my Black brothas and sistas’ are starting to… well... embarrass me. Can I turn on the television and not hear some Black liberal puke complaining about something?

I’ll start there – television. First we had the NAACP (Notorious African American Communist Pigs) lambasting Hollywood for not having enough Blacks in front of (or behind) the cameras. “We don’t see enough Black folk on TV.” An economic boycott is threatened, the ugly “R” word is used, and Hollywood (you know, those rich White guys) capitulate. Did anyone ask were the accusations true? And if so, who really cares?

Whenever I turn my television to watch my favorite programs, I see plenty of very wealthy and successful Black men excelling in their trade/craft. But I guess the NFL, the NBA, and Major League baseball doesn’t count. It must be just me. I guess the "quota kings and queens" don’t count those folks. Then another “study” comes out. This one says, “While Blacks are over-represented on television, they are still given only minor roles, or are on screen for less than 5 seconds at a time.” And, of course, this too is unfair. The easy defense against this eternal whining was for anyone to just mention three letters: B.E.T

That’s right, Black Entertainment Television, where you can get all the Blackness you want, 24/7 with all those Black folks in front of (and behind) all those cameras. Gee, only about 60 million cable viewers can see that.

I guess it’s just me. Maybe Momma didn’t raise me right. Now we have that flag issue in Dixie. Most folks thought if they just took down that flag, all this controversy would just go away. After all, it’s a horrible reminder of slavery.

Strange, I can’t find a Black person in this country who can remember being a slave. I also can’t find one White person in the country who will admit to owning slaves. In fact, most of the Whites in this country (according to my investigation) had ancestors who landed on these shores long after slavery ended in North America. And I can’t repeat what some of those Irish folks told me. But, for one month I’m supposed to hate the Confederate flag. Not just waving over the South Carolina Statehouse, but on police cars in Mississippi and in front of livestock shows in Houston. I’m supposed to call for the changing of the names of bridges in Virginia, parks in Tennessee and the defacing of portraits of General Lee. I’m even supposed to support Rep. King’s (R-NY) demonizing of every Southerner in the halls on Congress. I’m supposed to support and endorse all of this because I’m a Black man.

Yes, boycott South Carolina. Boycott the entire South until they get their “minds right.” This means, no Blacks (like me) should do any business with the South period. So, to that Black businessman in Memphis, sorry. Hope you can get some of those racist White folks to patronize your store. The NAACP says I can’t go there.

About the family reunion this year in South Carolina – forget it. Nope, not me. Our un-elected Black leadership says we gotta boycott. Don’t worry, I’ll explain to that Black soul food caterer in Columbia that the reason he’s losing so much business this year is because of a piece of cloth hanging over the capitol building. He’ll understand.

And Florida… we’ll have to leave you out, too. You see, Governor Jeb Bush enacted a program called “One Florida” in which anyone who finishes in the top 20% of his or her class gets a scholarship to a public University in Florida. I can’t figure it out for the life of me, but according to my Black leaders, that’s racist, too. The NAACP head (case) says we’ll boycott Florida until that’s changed. By the way, isn’t it interesting that the same people who say we should boycott everything economically are the same people who say Blacks are economically deprived in this “White dominated” society? What they’re telling me is that Black people are too stupid to make it into the top 20% of the graduating class, and that most Black people are too stupid to see through their lies. And most of these self-appointed Black leaders probably NEVER made it into the top 20% of anything. But nevertheless, they’re my leaders. Dan Rather, Tom Brokaw, Peter Jennings, Bill Bradley and Al Gore say they are, and since all these self-appointed “oracles” are White, they must be right.

Even Secret Service is getting into the act. Some of these guys, even though they get to guard the President and the Vice President, say they haven’t got the promotions they deserve. Where’s the dignity? I guess those White Secret Service agents get to guard folks more important.

Here’s a suggestion for the Black Secret Service agents who guard those important White folks (from the south): Wanna become heroes and restore your dignity? Quit. That’ll teach ‘em.

As a Black man, I’m told I should pin my hopes on making it rich when the NAACP gets their “fair share” from suing all those guns dealers. After all it’s those gun dealers’ fault for all those Black folks shooting all those Black folks. Perhaps next year, they’ll be suing bed-sheet makers, rope manufactures, and the South American drug cartels.

I have asked my Black leaders to sue the ATF, since the only product in America that “requires” you to list your race before purchasing it is a firearm. They haven’t returned my call. But then again, the right to keep and bear arms isn’t listed under “civil rights” anyway, is it?

It’s okay. We’ll just sue the gun-makers instead. That’ll teach them to not sell guns to us Black folks (so we can get gunned down for reaching for a wallet.) Yes, if we just sue a few more White folks, harass and slander the rest, one day – maybe one day--we won’t have to put a prefix in front of the word “American” anymore.

Well, I’m not waiting for that. I have done everything to try to advance the cause of personal freedom as a Black man, and to enjoy the liberty that my parents fought for, but it is just not working. These White people are just too smart for me. They made sure that I never had to wait at a Denny’s restaurant longer than anyone else does. Some of them hired me for simply having the brains to do the job. Some of them (the real sneaky ones) had the gall to judge me by the content of my character, and not the color of my skin. They’ve paid me in dollars with White slave-owners' photos on them. And, damn them, they made me earn it first.

They have allowed me to own my own business. They even went so far as to steal tax dollars from other White people to make sure I got an education – so I could like…make it in this world.

What an evil plot. Since there is almost no reason to bitch about anything anymore, it must be…institutional racism.

I am through being used. I am fed up with trying to conform. This year, when I fill out my Census form, I will let them know that I quit. I wish to no longer be a Black American. I want nothing to do with race baiting, whining, pandering for more tax dollars; family breakdowns, and the Al Sharptons of the world.

I don’t want to be Black anymore.

I am somebody, and I don’t need Jessie Jackson to tell me that. My father already did.

I don’t want to be Black anymore.

I refuse to be used as a statistic to get more left-wing socialists into Congress.

I don’t want to be Black anymore.

There is no need to make me part of a “protected group” as the California Governor recently stated. I can protect myself, thank you.

I don’t want to be Black anymore.

Please do not feel sorry for me anymore, White folks. That liberal pity-party really insults me, anyway.

I don’t want to be Black anymore.

You Democrats don’t have to act like you like me. I know it’s an election year. I am tired of being the Black “sheep” of the party. Leave me alone.

I don’t want to be Black anymore.

If it means disgracing my own heritage by insulting Southern history…

I don’t want to be Black anymore.

Since making the same statements Martin Luther King, Jr. made in 1963 are now considered “racist” and “insensitive…”

I don’t want to be Black anymore.

If it means more innocent White people are forced to go through “sensitivity training…”

I don’t want to be Black anymore.

If it means that everyone loses their freedom of speech, freedom to peaceably assemble, and their right to keep and bear arms…

I don’t want to be Black anymore.

If it means being a ward of the State, rather than a Child of God…

I don’t want to be Black anymore.

I’ll sign the papers, dammit. I’ll file the lawsuit. I’ll start the boycott this time. I have every right. I am sick of these media-selected Black prostitutes making a mockery out of my country, out of everything America stands for. I’m sick of them giving everyone else a reason to hate me.

I quit.

I no longer want a prefix in from of my label. From this point forward, I, J.J. Johnson, DEMAND that I be simply called…

…American.

DesertFox
10-13-2006, 02:55 PM
Hall of Fame, here we come.

Bluemoon_Rising
10-18-2006, 09:52 PM
:claps:

MrSanity
10-24-2006, 11:52 AM
Wow, what a great thread.

I'm at a loss for words.

Rhino
10-24-2006, 12:22 PM
A link for that.

http://www.sierratimes.com/archive/jj/edjj022800.htm

CzechPrince
10-31-2006, 09:49 PM
A link for that.

http://www.sierratimes.com/archive/jj/edjj022800.htm

I remember showing this article in a political debate my freshman year of high school. Good words never go old.

EdmundDantes
11-01-2006, 06:25 AM
Juan's finding out what it's like to cross his liberal buds, and doesn't seem to relish it.

give the man credit for speaking the truth like it or not! He should have a beer with Bill Cosby, I'm sure they would have a lot to talk about.

Air-Warrior
11-03-2006, 07:58 AM
:claps: I hafta ask, is this the same skinny "Dyn-O-Mite" guy from the "Good Times" sitcom?

Who'da thunk it?

DesertFox
11-03-2006, 12:44 PM
Juan Williams is a pundit. I don't think he's in any sitcoms.

Rhino
11-03-2006, 12:49 PM
I hafta ask, is this the same skinny "Dyn-O-Mite" guy from the "Good Times" sitcom?That was Jimmie Walker.