Principal May Be Charged in Cat Killings

[DeclinetoState]

Oct 15, 11:02 AM (ET)


INDUS, Minn. (AP) - A school principal has resigned and could face felony firearm charges after he shot and killed two orphaned kittens on school property last month.

Wade Pilloud, who resigned as principal of the K-12 Indus school, 40 miles west of International Falls, said he shot the kittens to spare them from starving to death after their mother was killed in an animal trap.

Pilloud said the shooting, which occurred on school grounds, endangered no one.

"I have bred cats, and I currently own two myself," he wrote Friday in an e-mail to the Minneapolis Star Tribune. "I am not a cat hater. I did not want the animals to suffer."My Way News (http://apnews.myway.com/article/20061015/D8KP4QUG0.html)

Couldn't he have taken them to a vet and had them euthanized?

[Wolfcounsel]

At least it wasn't that DEA guy who shot himself during a gun safety demonstration.

[DesertFox]

Better he shoot hizself than me.

Wait a minute. I wasn't even there.

. . .

STILL better he shoot hizself than me.

[Lubbock]

Something is terribly wrong with an individual who couldn't simply pick the kitten up, put them in a box and take them to a vet to be put to sleep, or, if he didn't want to foot the vet bill, he could have taken them to the SPCA or local animal shelter.

Something is seriously off balance and wrong with someone who shoots kittens.

And he did it on public school property.

[TheIrishman]

Shooting kittens. A disgrace! He should have tied them in a bag and thrown them in the lake like everyone else.

[Riverboat]

And he did it on public school property.Now, THAT'S the part that might catch the attention of school board members and the district's lawyer.

[Lubbock]

My point exactly!

That's what'll get him canned.

Discharging a firearm on school property? Oh, he's in big trouble.

[HomeschoolrsRUs]

DISCHARGING a firearm? What about BRINGING a firearm on school property? I thought schools were supposed to be gun-free zones, and zero-tolerance locations. What would make him think bringing a gun on school property for the sole purpose of shooting little kittens, okay? Something's not right with this picture! Why just yesterday my family went to Walmart SuperCenter and there was a lady in front of the store GIVING AWAY kittens for free. I guess he must be a pro-choicer ... you know, "They're better off dead, as they would have lived a life of unwant and hardship."

This Principal DESERVES to be DISCHARGED.

[Taylor]

The principle deserves to be fired. He could have given the kittens away for free. Instead he killed them.

[Republican_Legion]

If I lived in that town I would have shot that principal and see how he likes it then. If it had been dogs he would have been in jail by now. I wouldnt mind going to jail for shooting that principal, maybe even the PETAphiles would pay for my lawyer.

[HooverWasRight]

At least it wasn't that DEA guy who shot himself during a gun safety demonstration.

LOL

[HooverWasRight]

Shooting kittens. A disgrace! He should have tied them in a bag and thrown them in the lake like everyone else.


LMAO

[TechnoPrincess]

Yes, bringing and firing a gun on school property is a felony in all states. Whether or not killing the kittens is a crime depends on local laws. Either way this gentleman made a serious error in judgement and should not be allowed to retain his position or work in the educational system ever again.

[Charity]

DISCHARGING a firearm? What about BRINGING a firearm on school property?
Bingo!

[DeclinetoState]

The kittens may have been too young to survive without their mother. However, there are more humane ways of putting them out of their misery than blasting them with a gun, especially on school property.

[Republican_Legion]

He should have tied them in a bag and thrown them in the lake like everyone else.

Someone should have tied you into bag and thrown you into a lake.
You probally tortured animals as a kid you sick ****.

[Timberwolf]

RL...is it such a stretch for you to recognize "sarcasm" when you read it?

[2nd_Amendment]

Wow. This thread is a wonderful example of just how conservative some of this site is these days.

First: Gun Free and "Zero Tolerance" are leftist phrases for victim disarmament zones and "We'll get you for anything we don't approve of". Rattling off such terms as if they have validity or respectability is a disgrace.

Second: Taking them to a vet or popping them with a .22 is the same thing. Dead cats. In point of fact, the bullet is generally quicker and less painful. Injection can and often does result in a slow, muscle-crunching death, especially if the tech(your vet won't be doing it, just FYI) is less than skilled.

Lastly, what IS IT in this day and age that everyone seems to believe everyone should find someone else to take care of every damn thing that happens?!?!? "OH MY! Take (insert item, issue or event here) to a 'professional'"? Jesus wept.

Some of you nervous nellies DO understand that most of the rest of the US still shoots stray cats(and dogs) on site, right? Engangered species eating the chickens? Some protected critter dumping the trash cans? Hence the creation of the term Shoot, Shovel and Shaddup.

You also realize that as recently as 15 years ago or less guns on school grounds were common? I bought my first shotgun on the bus on the way to school. Kept in my locker. Brought it back and sold it on the bus in the evening a few days later. Buck knives on belts, rifles in racks, shotguns in the corner of the principal's office during deer season, student shooting classes and leagues... All THAT was the norm. This sissyfied gun free/zero tolerance/take it to a pro PC crap is the recent leftist corruption of our children. Nothing more.

Now, if you will excuse me, there is a furball in the front yard that has been killing doves and I am about to splatter it all over the place with the new SOCOMII.

Maybe someone would like to call the damn cops on me?

Where's the barfing smiley? Bloody hell...

[BEST45CAL]

RL...is it such a stretch for you to recognize "sarcasm" when you read it?

Yeah, it probably is a stretch, now. I think he's bent out of shape that the Angels and Padres didn't make it to the World Series. lol
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[2nd_Amendment]

If I lived in that town I would have shot that principal and see how he likes it then. If it had been dogs he would have been in jail by now. I wouldnt mind going to jail for killing that principal, maybe even the PETAphiles would pay for my lawyer.

I can't even express the level of insanity the above reveals. You are going to commit murder over two stray and probably sickly cats? You don't see a problem here?

You think shooting stray dogs gets you arrested? Not in most of rural America, sorry to break it to you.

You'd actually like PETA's help in getting out of such blithering idiocy?

Claim sarcasm and/or deny the above post as the mad ravings of someone who hacked your account. Please. :rolleyes:

[BEST45CAL]

I can't even express the level of insanity the above reveals. You are going to commit murder over two stray and probably sickly cats? You don't see a problem here?

You think shooting stray dogs gets you arrested? Not in most of rural America, sorry to break it to you.

You'd actually like PETA's help in getting out of such blithering idiocy?

Claim sarcasm and/or deny the above post as the mad ravings of someone who hacked your account. Please. :rolleyes:

Yeah, and their s/n might really be DEMOCRAT_LEGION! lol

[Republican_Legion]

I can't even express the level of insanity the above reveals. You are going to commit murder over two stray and probably sickly cats? You don't see a problem here?

You think shooting stray dogs gets you arrested? Not in most of rural America, sorry to break it to you.

You'd actually like PETA's help in getting out of such blithering idiocy?

Claim sarcasm and/or deny the above post as the mad ravings of someone who hacked your account. Please. :rolleyes:

Maybe I was also being sarcastic about my upset and anger at what some madman did to little baby kittens that he could have taken to a shelter etc but he decided to do what was more easy and shoot them. Maybe I was disgusted at someone who makes jokes about killing kittens.

[Republican_Legion]

Yeah, it probably is a stretch, now. I think he's bent out of shape that the Angels and Padres didn't make it to the World Series. lol
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And your Oakland Assholes got eliminated by Detroit.:evilgrin:

[HomeschoolrsRUs]

Wow. This thread is a wonderful example of just how conservative some of this site is these days.

Wow. This post is a wonderful example of just how cruel some conservatives really can be these days. No wonder we conservatives get a reputation for being "mean-spirited."

First: Gun Free and "Zero Tolerance" are leftist phrases for victim disarmament zones and "We'll get you for anything we don't approve of". Rattling off such terms as if they have validity or respectability is a disgrace.

First: Whether or not you like it, "gun-free" and "zero-tolerance" zones DO exist. I would love to see it abolished too, but I don't wan't it eliminated just so a principal can bring his gun to school and kill kittens. At the very least, this shows an EXTREME case of bad decision making.

Second: Taking them to a vet or popping them with a .22 is the same thing. Dead cats. In point of fact, the bullet is generally quicker and less painful. Injection can and often does result in a slow, muscle-crunching death, especially if the tech(your vet won't be doing it, just FYI) is less than skilled.

I absolutely understand definding one's livestock and/or property from wild, feral or uncontrolled animals. Actually, I can even understand using a bullet on truly sick/dying animals (my FIL took care of my SIL's dog when she was too sick for recovery).

Don't know about where you're from, but down here (at least all that I'm aware of), but we don't just "off" our strays with a bullet to the head (just for being stray) -- we just drive them to the local animal shelter, or if we have no vehicle, we call them and they come and pick the critter (i.e. stray cat/dog) up. Whether or not a bullet is "generally quicker and less painful," to me is not the point ... at least in the animal shelter they have a CHANCE of being adopted out. I fault IDIOTS who refuse to spay and neuter their animals -- it's certainly not the animal's fault they exist. Just because one CAN do something, doesn't mean we should nor does it make it morally right.

Lastly, what IS IT in this day and age that everyone seems to believe everyone should find someone else to take care of every damn thing that happens?!?!? "OH MY! Take (insert item, issue or event here) to a 'professional'"? Jesus wept.

Gee, in this case, there is an entity(entities) whose sole purpose is to take care of such things: Pound, Animal Shelter, Animal Rescue. Why is it that some people cannot accept there's just some things that aren't decent (morally acceptable) to do -- principals shooting kittens on school property is one of them.

Some of you nervous nellies DO understand that most of the rest of the US still shoots stray cats(and dogs) on site, right? Engangered species eating the chickens? Some protected critter dumping the trash cans?

For the record, I am not a nervous nelly -- but I DO understand that most of us wouldn't want school principals shooting stray cats and dogs on school property, get it?

Endangered species eating the chickens? I have no problem with it. Some protected critter dumping the trash cans? Ditto. But I don't believe kittens are quite the same as cougars, bears, or raccoons, in the sense that they WEREN'T eating the chickens, they WEREN'T dumping the trash cans -- they were just existing.

. . . Shaddup.

Take your own advice.

You also realize that as recently as 15 years ago or less guns on school grounds were common? I bought my first shotgun on the bus on the way to school. Kept in my locker. Brought it back and sold it on the bus in the evening a few days later. Buck knives on belts, rifles in racks, shotguns in the corner of the principal's office during deer season, student shooting classes and leagues... All THAT was the norm. This sissyfied gun free/zero tolerance/take it to a pro PC crap is the recent leftist corruption of our children. Nothing more.

I absolutely agree with all of that, however there really is no excuse for deliberate animal cruelty such as this, when there is a viable option. If it were young boys out killing (i.e. shooting) cats for fun, would you uphold that as honorable as well? Sorry -- we may be charged with dominion over the animals, but that doesn't mean we have carte blanche to unreasonably cruel treatment. All he had to do was call the animal control people -- or better yet, I bet if he would have asked around, some parent might have taken the kittens off his hands for a pet, or they would have taken them to the pound/shelter.

Now, if you will excuse me, there is a furball in the front yard that has been killing doves and I am about to splatter it all over the place with the new SOCOMII.

I have no problem with that -- they are causing havoc, unlike the kittens who were merely existing.

Maybe someone would like to call the damn cops on me?

Not me.

Where's the barfing smiley? Bloody hell...

:rolleyes:

[English_Tessa287]

why did he have a gun on him in the first place and does thios town not have anywhere to take abandoned animals like here in the uk we have the RSPCA which take in animals and people can adopt them

[2nd_Amendment]

OK, I'll try a different angle to try and draw something out here...

Why is it "morally unacceptable" to shoot two stray kittens? But it IS morally acceptable to shove them in a box, haul them "X" miles and dump them in a bright, strange smelling enviroment to be injected with chemicals that may or may not kill them as efficiently as the bullet?

Why is it an error in judgement to bring a pistol to school, or use it effectively? You know that a school shooting a while back was stopped by an armed principal, correct? And one of the big name shootings was ended mid-stream by an armed individual on campus... Is it simply an error in judgement because he violated the pointless law? Or because he got caught?

In either case, by that definition every one of us is certainly making a lot of judgement errors every day. The nanny-statists want it that way...

BTW, Shoot,Shovel and Shaddup is a very wise saying regarding dealing with the Endangered Species Act. Not an effort to tell anyone here to be quiet...though some probably should...

[2nd_Amendment]

why did he have a gun on him in the first place and does thios town not have anywhere to take abandoned animals like here in the uk we have the RSPCA which take in animals and people can adopt them

We are still a somewhat free people here across the pond. We carry firearms and *gasp* we even use them sometimes. As for taking them (the cats) to some random animal-disposal unit(which is what shelters actually are if you look at the stats for most areas), that's what we are trying to decide here.

[2nd_Amendment]

Maybe I was also being sarcastic about my upset and anger at what some madman did to little baby kittens that he could have taken to a shelter etc but he decided to do what was more easy and shoot them. Maybe I was disgusted at someone who makes jokes about killing kittens.

For the love of God! Why do people get so emotional and tear-stained over CATS!!?!?? The things were dead one way or the other. They could starve, he could shoot them or a tech could dope them. Either of the latter is better than the former... God knows there's six billion more of the feral, obnoxious, bird-killing little machines out there.

As for cat jokes...

What do you call 10 kittens in a burlap sack at the bottom of a pond?

A good start...

[Rhino]

Yes, bringing and firing a gun on school property is a felony in all states.The 1990 federal law was overturned. Unless a new one was passed, it depends on the state. Apparently Minnesota has such a law though, stupid as such laws are.

[BEST45CAL]

And your Oakland Assholes got eliminated by Detroit.:evilgrin:

Well, no. I routed for Detroit LOL

My team didn't make it to the playoffs.

[BEST45CAL]

For the love of God! Why do people get so emotional and tear-stained over CATS!!?!?? The things were dead one way or the other. They could starve, he could shoot them or a tech could dope them. Either of the latter is better than the former... God knows there's six billion more of the feral, obnoxious, bird-killing little machines out there.

Because cats are cute and cuddly. They're adorable little fuzz balls that make baby noises and will lick your face with their sandpaper tongues. People like to cuddle them because they're the size of a real baby. They make cute sounds like purring, chuffing and chirping. They make good pets for the elderly because they don't need to be walked. A cat will bring you much joy and give you love in return...even if they are natural born killers. lol

Hey, don't get me wrong. I have owned over 30 cats throughout the years and I don't have a problem with the ones that aren't feral. I know that the ferals are a huge problem in some areas, but it's not right to paint all cats with the feral brush.

Ronnie, a natural born killer, sleeping.

[Peachdiane]

For the love of God! Why do people get so emotional and tear-stained over CATS!!?!??

I love dogs and am no fan of cats and don't wish to be a cat owner but God entrusted humans to care for our animals (yes including CATS). We are to be stewards in the best way possible.

Don't know about where you're from, but down here (at least all that I'm aware of), but we don't just "off" our strays with a bullet to the head (just for being stray)

Complete agreement there. I will shoot livestock to put them out of their misery, or a dog that has been mauled by a bear and has no chance of recovery. That's completely different from taking a healthy animal (in this case, kittens) and offing them. :flame:

You also realize that as recently as 15 years ago or less guns on school grounds were common?

Yes, we had trucks with visible gun racks...

This sissyfied gun free/zero tolerance/take it to a pro PC crap is the recent leftist corruption of our children. Nothing more

Agreed with you there and I hate zero tolerance. Still doesn't justify (as HMS stated) deliberate animal cruelty.

We found out the man who planted the dynamite in my dad's car was a huge fan of deliberate animal cruelty. Pulled wings off of flies, shot kittens and puppies for the heck of it, and it escalated to cruel behavior with humans. This principal is sending the message to kids what he did was fine and dandy and it's not.

[Rhino]

I know that the ferals are a huge problem in some areas, but it's not right to paint all cats with the feral brush.I dunno. Mine viciously attacks the dogs. She could be dangerous.

http://home.earthlink.net/~simmoh/images/dixnpeach.jpg

[Rhino]

Yep, an obvious killer.

http://home.earthlink.net/~simmoh/images/P9040012.JPG

[Charity]

http://216.77.188.54/coDataImages/p/Groups/303/303627/folders/232906/1934354MVC-003S.JPG

[Rhino]

http://home.earthlink.net/~simmoh/images/P1260042.JPG

[HomeschoolrsRUs]

OK, I'll try a different angle to try and draw something out here...

Thanks, but no thanks, you've drawn a perfectly crystal clear picture already.

Why is it "morally unacceptable" to shoot two stray kittens? But it IS morally acceptable to shove them in a box, haul them "X" miles and dump them in a bright, strange smelling enviroment to be injected with chemicals that may or may not kill them as efficiently as the bullet?

Perhaps because like another group of take-this-to-the-extreme-ists (pro-abortion supporters), you make false assumptions based on unknown factors. You assume that if one WERE to shove them in a box and haul them "X" miles, that the facility WOULD be "a bright, strange smelling enviroment" and they WOULD be "injected with chemicals that may or may not kill them as efficiently as the bullet". I've been to our local animal shelter, several times (even back where the cages and enclosures are), and it is clean and not at all chemical smelling. I also took the opportunity to ask about adoption rates (when I asked we just happened to be there to adopt a kitty for my daughter), and while they were not as I would have hoped, at least some ARE being adopted out not to await a date with a needle. I happen to believe A chance (at adoption at the shelter), than NO chance (a bullet to the head). (BTW, I take it you don't watch Animal Planet -- there are a couple of shows detailing the efforts of such individuals at shelters and animal care facilities which go to great lengths to help in situations such as this.)

Why is it an error in judgement to bring a pistol to school, or use it effectively? You know that a school shooting a while back was stopped by an armed principal, correct? And one of the big name shootings was ended mid-stream by an armed individual on campus... Is it simply an error in judgement because he violated the pointless law? Or because he got caught?

He's in error because he went to an EXTREME to handle a situation that didn't require it. I have no problem with the gun on campus as protection, but he, nor the rest of the student body, needed protection from a couple of kittens. If YOU can't see the difference, I'M not the one with the moral clarity problem.

In either case, by that definition every one of us is certainly making a lot of judgement errors every day. The nanny-statists want it that way...

Some people go to extreme's, when a simple answer is right before their nose -- the principals actions indicate he is one, and your words seem to suggest you would be another.


Look, I get the picture, you don't like cats -- still no reason to advocate animal cruelty such as this. There are just too many valid, more appropriate alternatives to address this situation that DON'T include a firearm. Guns are great things, I own several as to the rest of the members of my family, but they aren't meant to solve EVERY problem -- surely one's brain would work just as, if not more, effectively and less destructively, especially in this case.

BTW, Shoot,Shovel and Shaddup is a very wise saying regarding dealing with the Endangered Species Act. Not an effort to tell anyone here to be quiet...though some probably should...

I don't believe I disagreed with "Shoot, Shovel, and Shaddup" under the right circumstances, I merely suggested, in regards to THIS issue, you take the last part (word) of that phrase and personally apply it.

[Lubbock]

Well, y'all have been dealing with him since March of 2001, through 8,244 posts. I've only just begun to learn what a screwball he is.

[Rhino]

But he's a loveable screwball.

Sorta like a little kitten. LOL!

[Peachdiane]

Sorta like a little kitten. LOL!

In that case, good thing most of us deal with them in a more humane way...

[HomeschoolrsRUs]

In that case, good thing most of us deal with them in a more humane way...

GREAT point, Peach, :thumb:

[BEST45CAL]

http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a385/Nonie3234/CatGun2.jpghttp://members.cox.net/pkostura/pauls_wacky_world005003.jpg

these cats are "trained" killers lmao

[Rhino]

It's an epidemic!

Wis. Man Charged With Kitten Abuse

Tuesday, October 17, 2006

OSHKOSH, Wisconsin — A 49-year-old man has been charged with two counts of felony animal abuse after authorities discovered two decapitated kittens at his home.

Winnebago County Assistant District Attorney Christian Gossett told local broadcaster WLUK-TV on Tuesday that the kittens were found over the weekend in a garbage bag at Donald Agrell's home after authorities received an anonymous tip.......http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,221577,00.html

[BEST45CAL]

It's an epidemic!

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,221577,00.html

What in the hell is going on? Is he practicing to be a terrorist?

[Lubbock]

It's an epidemic!

. . . and it's all George W's fault.

[Charity]

http://images.quizilla.com/O/Owly/1067004542_Folder2004.jpg

[Charity]

http://www.thecatgallery.com/images/kitten-arrested.jpg

[Charity]

http://www.thecatgallery.com/images/praying-cat-2.JPG

[Rhino]

Dressing a cat up like that should be abuse too.

[Charity]

http://www.thecatgallery.com/images/finger-cat-2.JPG

[Rhino]

Charity, how many cats you got? LOL!

[Charity]

http://www.thecatgallery.com/images/cat-kitten-mouse-bounce.gif

[Charity]

Charity, how many cats you got? LOL!
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I have way too many cats, dogs horses and chickens LOL.
I do love kitty cats so much though.

[Rhino]

I'd have more if it wouldn't cause a divorce.

[Charity]

LOL me too Rhino :-)

[2nd_Amendment]

Well, y'all have been dealing with him since March of 2001, through 8,244 posts. I've only just begun to learn what a screwball he is.

And yet it took you only 2400 posts in 4 months...2400 posts in FOUR MONTHS?!?!?!?!?!?... to demonstrate your own screwiness.

[2nd_Amendment]

Thanks, but no thanks, you've drawn a perfectly crystal clear picture already.

Actually I am trying to get one of you to present a logical support for your emotion-based opinions. Has nothing to do with any picture I am attempting to draw.

Perhaps because like another group of take-this-to-the-extreme-ists (pro-abortion supporters), you make false assumptions based on unknown factors.

Talk about an effort to poison the well. Link me to baby killers because I don't agree with your view regarding a cat. One of the more ludicrous things I've seen lately. Try not to do that again, k?

You assume that if one WERE to shove them in a box and haul them "X" miles, that the facility WOULD be "a bright, strange smelling enviroment" and they WOULD be "injected with chemicals that may or may not kill them as efficiently as the bullet".

So, you accuse me of taking something to an extreme in order to bizarrely throw abortionists into the mix, then you fail to support it. 2 kittens? You want to move them. they will be going in a container and such a container will almost certainly be a box. Since I doubt very many places have the animal shelter or vet clinic bordering the school we can also safely state they would then be traveling "X"(an unknown number) of miles. Once there, unless the clinic or shelter is very substandard, it will be bright, unfamilar and strange smelling(I said nothing abouT antiseptic/chemical) to a young cat.

I've been to our local animal shelter, several times (even back where the cages and enclosures are), and it is clean and not at all chemical smelling. I also took the opportunity to ask about adoption rates (when I asked we just happened to be there to adopt a kitty for my daughter), and while they were not as I would have hoped, at least some ARE being adopted out not to await a date with a needle.

My sister ran ours. Friends of mine currently run it. We've been involved in horse rescues and such for years. The bulk of them are clean, bright, chemical smelling and have a 1/3 or lower adoption rate. Cats have an almost zero adoption rate because there are so many of them.

When you get time, show me where I went to an extreme in the above, ok?

I happen to believe A chance (at adoption at the shelter), than NO chance (a bullet to the head). (BTW, I take it you don't watch Animal Planet -- there are a couple of shows detailing the efforts of such individuals at shelters and animal care facilities which go to great lengths to help in situations such as this.)

I believe if individuals took more immediate responsibility, in dealing with something like this and in preventing the breeding to start with we'd have a much better world. And no, I don't watch any TV. Life is too short to poison it with Hollyweird crap.

He's in error because he went to an EXTREME to handle a situation that didn't require it.

And THIS is what I was trying to draw out. WHY is it an extreme? In whose opinion? Based on what social world view? Are we defining his actions by current leftist defined standards, or the more normal ones of 20 or 50 years ago? It appears to me to label him extreme is a modernist view.

If he had beat them with a hammer, stuffed them in a sack, run over them with the car, etc THAT would be extreme. Dispatching them in a fast, efficient and almost certainly painless method is not extreme. It's a judgement call. One that we would have heard nothing of 20 years ago.

I have no problem with the gun on campus as protection, but he, nor the rest of the student body, needed protection from a couple of kittens. If YOU can't see the difference, I'M not the one with the moral clarity problem.

The issue isn't defense and the link you offer here is illogical. The issue was/is a humane dispatching of two animals with nothing but the most dysmal of prospects ahead of them otherwise.

Some people go to extreme's, when a simple answer is right before their nose -- the principals actions indicate he is one, and your words seem to suggest you would be another.

And to me it is the emotion-driven, logic-free gut reaction shown here that appears extreme. Perspective is a funny thing, isn't it?


Look, I get the picture, you don't like cats --

Mine is currently curled up in the corner of my library with our last remaining Bantam hen(Toastersetter, named such because she sneaks in the house and camps on the toaster) whom I don't currently have the heart to toss outside right now since another feral feline offed her best pal, Jinny the Guinea, last night.

still no reason to advocate animal cruelty such as this.

There's the gist of the issue I was trying to draw out. A quick, painless, efficient dispatching of an animal under the right moral motivation is by definition NOT cruelty. I see nothing in the principals actions that shows he did anything otherwise. Think on that a moment before you lambast me again...

There are just too many valid, more appropriate alternatives to address this situation that DON'T include a firearm. Guns are great things, I own several as to the rest of the members of my family, but they aren't meant to solve EVERY problem -- surely one's brain would work just as, if not more, effectively and less destructively, especially in this case.

The end result is still two dead cats. Change the method to a syringe full of (insert drug of choice here) or whatever. Would your reaction still be the same without the firearm? If not then you need to re-evaluate your position and how it is being colored by influences you would otherwise reject.

I don't believe I disagreed with "Shoot, Shovel, and Shaddup" under the right circumstances, I merely suggested, in regards to THIS issue, you take the last part (word) of that phrase and personally apply it.

I clarified in an effort to make certain you did not perceive an ad hom on my part. Since you MEANT it as an ad hom directed at me I'll let you fill in the blanks on my reconsidered opinion...

[HomeschoolrsRUs]

Extreme is taking a gun to school to kill two kittens.

Reasonable is calling the animal shelter/pound, or taking them their one's self, or finding someone else who would.

This isn't about being anti-gun, I am not. This isn't about excepting leftist mores, I don't.

You twist my words, and I refuse to play that game. I've said my piece.

[Timberwolf]

Pardon my crudeness, but isn't it clear that he was just tryin' to knock off a little pussy? http://www.freeconservatives.com/vb/images/icons/bunny000.gif

*ducks and covers*

[2nd_Amendment]

Extreme is taking a gun to school to kill two kittens.

I was unaware he took the gun to school to kill cats. In fact, he had the gun for defense, like many others. It was simply convenient to use it in this instance. That is a MAJOR difference.

Reasonable is calling the animal shelter/pound, or taking them their one's self, or finding someone else who would.

I'll ask you again: Why? What is it that has you so fixated on this? Let me tell you what I was told tonite by people who know: Kittens have a zero adoption rate. Unless they are some unusual breed or an exceptional adult it just doesn't happen. Meanwhile, people who have been involved in animal rescue, past and present, had NO ISSUE with this story.

So again, what IS it with this? Personally I find it at least slightly bizarre to pack around a couple starving cats so someone else can spend tax dollars to inject them with something that paralyzes their autonomous reflexes and essentially suffocates them.

This isn't about being anti-gun, I am not. This isn't about excepting leftist mores, I don't.

I don't see anywhere I said anything about you being anti-gun. OTOH it is certainly somewhat about society being anti-gun. that isn't even in question. As for whether you accept leftist mores or not, it appears you have them ingrained to some extent.

You twist my words, and I refuse to play that game. I've said my piece.

Why is it nobody can debate any more? People voice their opinions, no matter how unsupportable or emotion-laden and then insist everyone who disagres is twisting their words or "extremist" or some such drivel. Sorry, I didn't twist anything and you haven't really answered anything. if you want to cut and run then just say so. Really makes no difference to me, I was just hoping to have an illogical reaction put into a logical framework.

Guess that can't be done.

[Charity]

Pardon my crudeness, but isn't it clear that he was just tryin' to knock off a little pussy?
http://www.conservababes.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/snicker.gif

[Incident_command]

I was unaware he took the gun to school to kill cats. In fact, he had the gun for defense, like many others. It was simply convenient to use it in this instance. That is a MAJOR difference.

I have no problem with getting rid of strays like that. But IMO to call what he did a good use of judgement is reaching. If he brought the gun for defense then he should have used it only for that. The way things are today with guns and schools the dude should have known it would raise a fuss right or wrong.

[TechnoPrincess]

The 1990 federal law was overturned. Unless a new one was passed, it depends on the state. Apparently Minnesota has such a law though, stupid as such laws are.

I was under the impression that all states had some form of law and the 1990 law just put them all together under one standard law. Since I'm only really current on Illinois law though, I may be mistaken.

In Illinois it is a felony and carries severe jail time, no matter who the person is that brings it on the property. The only caviat in the law is that if a principal finds a firearm on a student/visitor, he/she may hold it unloaded in a locked office until the local law enforcement arive.

[TechnoPrincess]

I'll ask you again: Why? What is it that has you so fixated on this? Let me tell you what I was told tonite by people who know: Kittens have a zero adoption rate. Unless they are some unusual breed or an exceptional adult it just doesn't happen. Meanwhile, people who have been involved in animal rescue, past and present, had NO ISSUE with this story.

I would disagree that cats/kittens have a ZERO adoption rate. Both in my previous city, the one I live in now and the I work in there are no-kill shelters where kittens are adopted every day. In most cases, they can't keep them in the cages long enough for them to get over 10 weeks old (in Illinois they have to be over 8 to even legally put them up for adoption in a shelter). Most vets offices also will take in unwanted kittens and find them a shelter to live in. And the kittens in the no-kill shelters are not cheap because they have been spayed/nuetered and have all their shots. The one in my old town was $180 for a girl and $140 for a boy. Dogs they had a problem getting rid of because mostly they were larger breeds, but they NEVER had problems getting rid of cats. In fact in both the county I live in and the city I work in they are currently asking for unwanted kittens because of high demand. Now, maybe in YOUR area kittens are unwanted, but that is not true everywhere. I've worked in these shelters I know, so I am unimpressed by your "people in the know".

Additionally I know SEVERAL people who work in animal care who were depply disturbed by this incident. The kittens could have been saved and adopted out, they weren't definitely going to die. Any good vet NEVER wants to see an animal die and if there is any chance it can be saved they will work hard to do so. However, there are cases where they can't be saved - Di's example of a dog being attacked by a bear - and in that case they will humanely put them to sleep.

Apparently you only speak to people who agree with you.

Personally, my concern is that what he did was illegal. He should not have taken the gun on school grounds, regardless of his motivation. He should suffer the consequences of his action. I think his judgement was poor. As for the kittens, I am sorry that he felt that he had to do that. But that is his own cross to bear.

[2nd_Amendment]

I have no problem with getting rid of strays like that. But IMO to call what he did a good use of judgement is reaching. If he brought the gun for defense then he should have used it only for that. The way things are today with guns and schools the dude should have known it would raise a fuss right or wrong.

OK, that I have to agree with. He SHOULD have known what to expect. OTOH, maybe he had reason to think it would not turn out like this? Locally we still have firearms around the public and the private school. We just don't TALK about it...

[2nd_Amendment]

Apparently you only speak to people who agree with you.

One could say the same about you. As for adoption rates, from looking at the stats years ago you must be in an anomalous region. Cat adoptions are always low(barring rare breeds and such as I mentioned). Dogs adopt much better and big dogs usually as well as little ones. The idea of PAYING to adopt cats would completely kill adoptions. Good grief, you can get Siamese and Persians for free...

Personally, my concern is that what he did was illegal.

This is even less important than the cat issue itself. He violated a stupid and unconstituional law. There is no justification for any action against him.

He should not have taken the gun on school grounds, regardless of his motivation.

Because some leftys made up a stupid law? Who cares.

He should suffer the consequences of his action.

Yep, we should all give him a standing ovation for snubbing the leftists.

I think his judgement was poor.

Well intentioned but probably poor, yes.

As for the kittens, I am sorry that he felt that he had to do that. But that is his own cross to bear.

I doubt he'll be losing any sleep over that part of it.

[TechnoPrincess]

So it's OK to break any law if you don't agree with it? That's a dangerous precedent

[Republican_Legion]

Yep, we should all give him a standing ovation for snubbing the leftists.

Wow now someone believes cats are leftists. Someone obviously forgot his medication today.

[Republican_Legion]

I doubt he'll be losing any sleep over that part of it.

For animal abusers yes they wont lose any sleep over it. PETA is long known to commit criminal acts such as mass murdering animals and this thing the principal did seems very PETA-ish. Leftists always regard life as unimportant and saving life as a last resort.

[Republican_Legion]

One could say the same about you. As for adoption rates, from looking at the stats years ago you must be in an anomalous region. Cat adoptions are always low(barring rare breeds and such as I mentioned). Dogs adopt much better and big dogs usually as well as little ones. The idea of PAYING to adopt cats would completely kill adoptions. Good grief, you can get Siamese and Persians for free..


Thats full of shit and you know it. I have been to most of the shelters in my county and most them were out of kittens and puppys. Truth is that kittens and puppys are the most adopted compared to full grown dogs and cats. Last december when my cat died of lymphoma I went out looking for kitten to adopt and all the shelters and pet stores had no kittens or puppys left. Perhaps you should get out more then being in your gun rack shack all day.

First it was your support for racists like Pat Buchanan and now this.

[2nd_Amendment]

So it's OK to break any law if you don't agree with it? That's a dangerous precedent

Not only do we all do this, we also break laws we don't even know about. We are a nation of criminals. It's intended to be that way these days. Criminals are easy to control...

Let me see, so far today I have broken the speed limit, deliberately trashed an official mailing from the DNR, wore my pistol while picking the kids up at school and, oh yeah, shot a 'possum... I'm not sure but i think there's a season for those greasy little SOB's...

Point being, yes, some laws are absurd and just, simply, wrong. Disobeying them is a duty.

[2nd_Amendment]

Wow now someone believes cats are leftists. Someone obviously forgot his medication today.

Thank you for providing the dumbest single post of the day. We'll keep this on file for Dumbest Post of the Week. Seriously...think about it. :rolleyes:

[2nd_Amendment]

For animal abusers yes they wont lose any sleep over it. PETA is long known to commit criminal acts such as mass murdering animals and this thing the principal did seems very PETA-ish. Leftists always regard life as unimportant and saving life as a last resort.

And here's the runner-up. When and if someone figures out this disjointed mumble it may even slip quietly into the number one slot.

[2nd_Amendment]

Thats full of shit and you know it. I have been to most of the shelters in my county and most them were out of kittens and puppys. Truth is that kittens and puppys are the most adopted compared to full grown dogs and cats. Last december when my cat died of lymphoma I went out looking for kitten to adopt and all the shelters and pet stores had no kittens or puppys left. Perhaps you should get out more then being in your gun rack shack all day.

First it was your support for racists like Pat Buchanan and now this.

And lastly, we have this mess.

You are a leftist troll, aren't you? Seriously, you can't write, you can't stay on topic, you can't get beyond the personal observation and you are utterly defined by emotional knee-jerk outbursts. You really need to try and get a grip. Oh, and read for comprehension. Oh, and get out some yourself, that line was maybe the most laughable one so far.

Wow.

[BEST45CAL]

One could say the same about you. As for adoption rates, from looking at the stats years ago you must be in an anomalous region. Cat adoptions are always low(barring rare breeds and such as I mentioned). Dogs adopt much better and big dogs usually as well as little ones. The idea of PAYING to adopt cats would completely kill adoptions. Good grief, you can get Siamese and Persians for free...

Wow...that was probably one of the most outrageous things I've ever read on here. LOL

Of course you have to PAY to adopt a cat, rare breed or not! Even if it comes from a cattery, you still pay. They don't give them away, bro! The only way to get a FREE cat is to catch a stray. I mean, if you don't believe me, we've got a receipt and adoption papers to prove it. Our cat cost us $75, in fact. And I'm sure the cattery owners would scoff at the idea that Siamese and Persians should be given away for nothing. LOL

Your obvious hatred toward cats has completely obliterated your ability to think clearly regarding this issue.

Cats out number dogs by 20%. Now THAT is a fact.

[2nd_Amendment]

Dude, there are adds on the WalMart bulletin board for kittens right now. Last week my stepdaughter was whining for a siamese...which was listed on the bulletin board. I remember seeing one for THREE Persians! I almost got one of those myself. Free. To Give Away.

I remeber seeing a Calico at the pet store in College Mall in Bloomington a couple years ago. I asked the girl there if people actually bought cats like that(we had just given away a litter including a couple Calicos). She said "Not usually". This in Bloomington, the Berkely of the Midwest.

Anyway, paying for the shots and vet bills is not the same as paying for the animal(ie, you give a grand for a dog, then pay the rest. You get the cat for free and pay the bills). All this, as I said, not always applying to rare breeds and such. But really, who was the last person you know that paid for a random tabby?

BTW, include feral cats and they outnumber dogs probably two to one.

[2nd_Amendment]

BTW, my fuzzball, photo from earlier today. Emilia Airheart, aka Emmy, Emmycat, Emms and That-damn-fuzzball-shed-on-my-bookshelf-again! Yeah, I really hate cats. And yeah, you can bet we got her for free. It was mewling outside the bedroom window 7 years ago, wet skin and bones in December so I wrapped it up in a towel and left it on the bed for the wife when she came home on lunch. Made me brownie points.

BTW, I found three of her siblings a couple days later. I lived in town then so i did not dispatch them myself. Took them to the animal "shelter". None of them were adopted... But hey, that's not a case in point, of course...

*sigh*

[BEST45CAL]

Dude, there are adds on the WalMart bulletin board for kittens right now. Last week my stepdaughter was whining for a siamese...which was listed on the bulletin board. I remember seeing one for THREE Persians! I almost got one of those myself. Free. To Give Away.

I remeber seeing a Calico at the pet store in College Mall in Bloomington a couple years ago. I asked the girl there if people actually bought cats like that(we had just given away a litter including a couple Calicos). She said "Not usually". This in Bloomington, the Berkely of the Midwest.

Anyway, paying for the shots and vet bills is not the same as paying for the animal(ie, you give a grand for a dog, then pay the rest. You get the cat for free and pay the bills). All this, as I said, not always applying to rare breeds and such. But really, who was the last person you know that paid for a random tabby?

BTW, include feral cats and they outnumber dogs probably two to one.

Oh, okay. I didn't take that into consideration. I've never used a bulletin board as a source for finding pets, but again, that is a source that I didn't think of. My wife and I scoured the Internet for our cat. After all of that research, we finally ended up at a farmer's market type gathering sponsored by one of the local pet shelters. We adopted "Ronnie" (a Maine Coon) from a foster pet family over 2 years ago. This way we are assured that he's got all of his shots and has no physical defects. Whether you pay for the dog first and then for his medical fees, or pay for a cat's spay/neuter/adoption fee and get the cat free, you pay, one way or another. I understand what you're saying, now.

As for our "Ronster," part of his "reduced" adoption fees go toward the neutering and the rest is for the shelter. Newborn kittens usually cost more than older cats. He was 4 months old when we got him, so they reduced his price. Older cats are harder to place.

[Rhino]

Cats do have a much lower adoption rate than dogs, to include kittens, though kittens do stand a much better chance than adult cats. Some shelters simply won't take cats because they can't get them adopted. I've seen my local shelters have to put numerous cats and kittens down due to low adoption rates. According to them the problem isn't a lower overall demand for kittens. It's because one can find a plethora of free kittens from neighbors, friends or strangers. Given that there are so many free kittens available, few people want to pay to adopt one from a shelter. Our first cat was a stray that we adopted from a shelter. She was not overly friendly at first and initially pierced part of my hand for me, hence her name of Tiger. Our current cat is an adopted barn kitten. The barn kitten ended up costing as much as the shelter adoption once we got all the shots, spaying, etc. But many people can only see that up front initial cost, which tends to steer them away from shelters. Many of them also don't provide the care they should, so they avoid those costs entirely. Then they end up with sick cats, or kittens that they need to give away.

[Lazarus]

I dont understand what all this hysteria is all about...

Firstly, I read nothing in the initial post that indicated that animal cruelty was involved at all... In fact the post implies that the man's motivation was mercy... If Im reading that post wrong, please do point this out to me...

Secondly, I dont consider shooting an animal to be a cruel way of disposing of it - just the opposite, IMO, its probably one the the most merciful and quick deaths one can give an animal... Why is it acceptable to shoot deer and quail but not cats? Is it a subjective approach because we share our homes with cats and dogs?

Thirdly, there seems to be an overwhelming willingness among the the majority of the posters here to condemn this man strictly on the very limited info reported in the initial post... We dont know the full details of the situation where the event occurred... We dont even know if there is even an animal shelter near the place where the event occurred... Not all vets will take in strays, and I have even had animal shelters inform me that they were no longer accepting strays due to their own overcrowding... This is common in rural areas like where I live...

So bottom line is, this man is being condemned based on scant info, the type that is generally purposefully published by the media for its shock value alone - which I suspect was the movation of the media outlet involved... If we all knew all the facts of the situation, many of us, possibly even the majority of us, MAY have acted in precisely the same way...

And yes, I admit, I might feel differently if it was puppies instead of kittens, because Im a dog lover... But in the end, the same principle applies: We dont know all the facts - we only know what this news source chose to tell us... And there are probably 50 reasons why this man may have acted in an entirely merciful way...

Now...... Having said all that, if the issue here is the fact that a school prinicple brought a firearm on school property, then change the title of this thread and let's debate the wisdom, or lack there of, of THAT act... But let's not use that as an argument against shooting the kittens - the two are totally separate issues... Let's try to remain objective...

[Rhino]

I dont understand what all this hysteria is all about......He used an eeeeeevil gun. That guarantees hysteria, at least in the leftist media.

[Lazarus]

He used an eeeeeevil gun. That guarantees hysteria, at least in the leftist media.Buddy, I strongly suspect THAT was in fact the ultimate motivation behind the initial news article... Just another lefty example of the evil dangers posed by unregulated gun owners running amok... And if they can somehow imply that animal cruelty was tied into it, so much the better for their cause...

From the link in the initial post...Mastin [sheriff] said the shooting put no one in danger but said Pilloud used "poor discretion and poor timing," especially amid the growing fear of gun violence in schools.So ultimately this is just another case of political correctness out of control...

[Lubbock]

I don't think it's a case of political correctness out of control, and frankly, if one of my grandchildren was a student at that school, I would be questioning why this man had a gun on school property.

I probably wouldn't have felt that way a year ago --although, I would have been pretty disgusted about the killing of the kittens, but the gun on school property might not have bothered me all that much.

After what happened in Nickle Mines, I not just real comfortable with a principal having a gun at school without a whole lot of vetting.

I'm not against guns on school property if the guns are in the hands of qualified and authorized individuals.

Just the fact that this man would use the gun in his posession to kill the kittens tells me that he's about a half buble of plumb.

Something about this just doesn't sit right with me, and it's not just the killing of the kittens.

[Peachdiane]

Firstly, I read nothing in the initial post that indicated that animal cruelty was involved at all... In fact the post implies that the man's motivation was mercy... If Im reading that post wrong, please do point this out to me...

The man said he shot them so they wouldn't starve to death. I would agree it is a mercy killing if they were ill or mauled but they appeared to be healthy kittens. I'm just troubled he couldn't take them to a shelter or have a kid take them for free... kids around here are thrilled to get free kittens.

Secondly, I dont consider shooting an animal to be a cruel way of disposing of it - just the opposite, IMO, its probably one the the most merciful and quick deaths one can give an animal...

I agree...

Why is it acceptable to shoot deer and quail but not cats? Is it a subjective approach because we share our homes with cats and dogs?

Yeah I think that's the problem some of us are having... the element of "pet." Butterflies and cockroaches are both insects yet people want to spare butteflies. It's sort of like that here where that pet element merits more compassion....

[Rhino]

I don't think it's a case of political correctness out of control, and frankly, if one of my grandchildren was a student at that school, I would be questioning why this man had a gun on school property.I'd be looking to send my kids there. At least the entire school wouldn't be defenseless if some wacko did come in.

After what happened in Nickle Mines, I not just real comfortable with a principal having a gun at school without a whole lot of vetting.That's exactly why it would be safer. If the principal at Nickle Mines had had a gun, the deaths there likely would never have happened.

I'm not against guns on school property if the guns are in the hands of qualified and authorized individuals.Who said the principal wasn't?

Just the fact that this man would use the gun in his posession to kill the kittens tells me that he's about a half buble of plumb.That's not why he had it, which was mentioned above, so yours fears are allayed.

EDIT: Strike that. I mistakenly thought you were saying that killing the kittens was why he had the gun. Apologies for the mistake.

Something about this just doesn't sit right with me, and it's not just the killing of the kittens.The only thing that doesn't sit right with me is the gun free zone laws that prevent more principals from being able to defend their schools and their students from wackos. As far as his killing the cats goes, that was a really stupid thing to do. As was also mentioned above, he should have known better.

[Peachdiane]

Point being, yes, some laws are absurd and just, simply, wrong. Disobeying them is a duty.

I'm surprised to see you say that. I have a higher authority (God) and as I recall, I'm to obey the laws of the land whether I like them or not. For this reason I don't walk around town with a CCW. That'd go over real well with my kids. Load up mommy in the cop van!

[Rhino]

I didn't know you were antigun. And what happens if one of your kids is hurt or killed by some criminal? How well would that go over?

[Lubbock]

" . . . As far as his killing the cats goes, that was a really stupid thing to do. As was also mentioned above, he should have known better. . . . "

And that's my problem.

He should have known better, which says to me, this man probably has no business with a gun in his possession where children are present.

[Rhino]

" . . . As far as his killing the cats goes, that was a really stupid thing to do. As was also mentioned above, he should have known better. . . . "

And that's my problem.

He should have known better, which says to me, this man probably has no business with a gun in his possession where children are present.Now, that point I can see. I think this was just a simple lapse in judgement though. Besides, how would you qualify someone based on a possible future lapse in judgement? We'd have no cops, no military and no principals for that matter. Everyone has lapses in judgement sometimes, and it's practically impossible to predict whether or not they will be serious lapses. Even in the cases where a person does indicate a tendency towards serious mental lapses, how (or why) would they ever get to be a principal in the first place?

[Peachdiane]

I didn't know you were antigun.

I'm not, but the state of GA already took the kids away for one night to a foster home that wasn't equipped to deal with special needs because my ex-MIL alerted them I had a gun in the home. That was a nightmare and I was lucky to get them back.

If I were to get in trouble for breaking a CCW law here in IL, you can bet they'd throw them in some foster home or worse yet, my ex-husband.

And what happens if one of your kids is hurt or killed by some criminal? How well would that go over?

Not gonna happen on my turf.

[Rhino]

I was speaking hypothetically as a matter of principle. I didn't know you had a specific situation with special circumstances that you were referring to. Having a gun in the home is no grounds for removing kids, so I assume there were other circumstances involved. Absent that, I'd say it was time to hire a lawyer. I would.

[Wyatt_Junker]

The principal should have known better. He should have used a much more humane approach and placed bags over the kitty's heads and drowned them in the bottom of a rock quarry. Or just lop their heads off with a pair of Scripto scissors. Or, my favorite, laminate them while still alive. I'm sure the school must have a laminator. Its the poor man's taxidermy. And plus, they make some ridiculous faces when they come out the machine.

[Peachdiane]

Having a gun in the home is no grounds for removing kids, so I assume there were other circumstances involved. Absent that, I'd say it was time to hire a lawyer. I would.

I did and was damn lucky (and out 5k later to boot) to get them 24 hours later and no, there were no other circumstances. Georgia is full of power hungry LEFTIST black bitches who remove kids, yes, for even having a gun in the house. The director said they made a mistake so I was happy with the admission.

After I moved to IL, the ex-MIL called DFCS with LIES (all proven unfounded) but once a parent is called in, they're automatically guilty until proven innocent. I've already spent time and resources and retained a lawyer to fight her lies. The whole thing has taught me to respect the CCW laws here even if I loathe them and to try and work to get them changed.

[Rhino]

I'd be suing the MIL for damages and mental anguish.

[Lubbock]

" . . . the ex-MIL called DFCS with LIES (all proven unfounded) . . . "

In Texas, they put you in jail for that. They will absolutely put you behind bars for making a false allegation in a Child Protective Services case.

[Peachdiane]

Yeah I gave everything to the FBI. Unfortunately she lives in NY, not Texas.

[Peachdiane]

I'd be suing the MIL for damages and mental anguish.

I will as soon as soon as my cash flow problem reverses. :thumb:

[Lubbock]

This happened in Georgia and Illinois?

Don’t either of those states have laws governing retaliatory false allegations?

[Rhino]

They might, but if the perpetrator lives in NY, it doesn't do much good.

[Peachdiane]

She called the CPS in NY and they called the CPS here.... One of the lies was that the children were living out of a truck. The man working for CPS walked in this house and said, 'You know, this doesn't look like a truck to me." I spoke with the NY police and they said, "Aw happens all the time." My ex, his mommy, and his wife are all LIARS. It's all they do and as a couple friends on here know, I am happen to be the target of their LIES.

No matter where one lives, a parent needs lots of money, good legal help, and lots of time, to fight lies.

[Rhino]

I will as soon as soon as my cash flow problem reverses. :thumb:Have you considered contingency?

[Peachdiane]

Honestly, I hadn't. But I will give the issue more serious thought. Thanks. :)

[Rhino]

Just be aware that it's not totally free, so ask for full disclosure and tracking of expenses, preferably in advance.

http://www.wisegeek.com/what-does-paying-a-lawyer-on-contingency-mean.htm

[Lubbock]

Well, Peach, I can only say, you have all of my sympathy.

At least the CPS workers where you live now are aware of the problem that your ex-"family" is causing you. Most Case Workers live by the "Once burned, twice learned" rule, so at this point, you probably could get away with living out of a truck. In other words, it's doubtful that CPS would ever investigate another allegation made by this bunch of LIARS.

It's just too bad they can't be prosecuted.

[Lazarus]

...Or, my favorite, laminate them while still alive. I'm sure the school must have a laminator. Its the poor man's taxidermy. And plus, they make some ridiculous faces when they come out the machine.:rotflmbo:

[Republican_Legion]

And lastly, we have this mess.

You are a leftist troll, aren't you? Seriously, you can't write, you can't stay on topic, you can't get beyond the personal observation and you are utterly defined by emotional knee-jerk outbursts. You really need to try and get a grip. Oh, and read for comprehension. Oh, and get out some yourself, that line was maybe the most laughable one so far.

Wow.

ROFL. Because I dont support your animal torture beliefs and your fondness of racist buchanan that qualifys me as a leftist ?
Seriously you need to calm down and take a chill pill.

Anyways your the Leftist 'Troll' who advocates 'Pro-Choice' on newborn animals.

[Republican_Legion]

Well, y'all have been dealing with him since March of 2001, through 8,244 posts. I've only just begun to learn what a screwball he is.

Well he did reveal himself as a racist a while back with his pal Pat Buchanan.

[Republican_Legion]

And yet it took you only 2400 posts in 4 months...2400 posts in FOUR MONTHS?!?!?!?!?!?... to demonstrate your own screwiness.

Why he sure lost his marbles on that post and he hasnt even come clean admiting he got carried away and was letting his anger out.

[Rhino]

Puppies generally have the highest adoption rates, followed by adult dogs. Kittens come after that, and adult cats generally have the lowest adoption rates. That can vary from shelter to shelter, but those are the most common rates. I've had several shelter operators tell me that's the norm.

...Personally, it was the most horrible thing in the world when it was your turn to pick the PTS list. We tried not to PTS ("put to sleep", euthanise) puppies, but somedays it was the only way to open up the required cage space. We tried not to PTS really sweet perfect dogs, but it also happened often. We tried not to PTS purebred dogs while we scrambled to contact breed rescues, but they often were not able to get to us in time or unable to take beautiful trained purebred dogs. Workers often took dogs home and fostered them until cage space issues were not so crucial, but that wasn't option most of the time. We called the no kill rescue groups, but usually they were overloaded too, and at that time there were none with a free standing shelter (there is one now with cage space for about 10 dogs and maybe that same number of cats).

There were days in the summer that two workers spent basically all day euthanising animals. Cats almost always had to be pts due to space, only the most outstanding cats were able to stay. We would come into work with cat traps piled up at the door from humane officers, stray or abandoned dogs tied to the fence and every kennel overloaded with mulitple dogs. It was a horrible, depressing job, and we were the only game in town....http://dogs.about.com/cs/rescue/l/blreality.htm

[Rhino]

Why he sure lost his marbles on that post and he hasnt even come clean admiting he got carried away and was letting his anger out.Actually, the exchange started with him saying it is preferable to shoot or euthanise them than to let them starve. I see nothing illogical about that. The simple fact that he doesn't like cats really takes nothing away from what he said. I love cats, but I agree with him that shooting or euthanising them is preferable to them starving. I agree that a shelter would have been a better choice, but statistically speaking, their chances of survival that way would still have been very slim. Still, it's a chance.

[2nd_Amendment]

I will as soon as soon as my cash flow problem reverses. :thumb:


Then cross that state line east of you and join us over here in Indiana, Free America. :)

[2nd_Amendment]

The principal should have known better. He should have used a much more humane approach and placed bags over the kitty's heads and drowned them in the bottom of a rock quarry. Or just lop their heads off with a pair of Scripto scissors. Or, my favorite, laminate them while still alive. I'm sure the school must have a laminator. Its the poor man's taxidermy. And plus, they make some ridiculous faces when they come out the machine.


BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :roar: :thumb: :claps:

[2nd_Amendment]

ROFL. Because I dont support your animal torture beliefs and your fondness of racist buchanan that qualifys me as a leftist ?
Seriously you need to calm down and take a chill pill.

Anyways your the Leftist 'Troll' who advocates 'Pro-Choice' on newborn animals.

Please show ANY example of animal torture within this thread AND any example of my support thereof ANYWHERE. Otherwise I'd ask Rhino, can you please slap this person around for me?

You clearly have not actually read what has been posted in this thread and you are clearly driven by a purely emotional reaction. Those are leftist traits. If you don't like the label then please don't act that way.

Your last line is bizarre. It is an example of a leftist mindset that gives animals the value of human beings. It is almost beyond bizarre and not the statement of any credible writer in a conservative forum.

[2nd_Amendment]

Well he did reveal himself as a racist a while back with his pal Pat Buchanan.

You have no shame at all, do you? That thread, like this one, as another example of you not reading and failing to grasp what was said. now you drag it out again and do nothing but embarrass yourself.

Good piece of advice: Think twice, post once.

[2nd_Amendment]

Why he sure lost his marbles on that post and he hasnt even come clean admiting he got carried away and was letting his anger out.

I assume Rhino set you straight there and you might actually read for comprehension on that one, eh? If not I'll "help you along" later myself...

[Rhino]

Good piece of advice: Think twice, post once.I bet that would work with carpentry too, with a minor modification.

[2nd_Amendment]

Ya think so? :D

[Timberwolf]

I still think he was just tryin' ta knock off a little pussy.

Republican Legion, you might wanna try 'gettin' some' yerself. Yer WAY to uptight. WAAAAY to uptight.

[Wolfcounsel]

"I still think he was just tryin' ta knock off a little pussy.

Republican Legion, you might wanna try 'gettin' some' yerself. Yer WAY to uptight. WAAAAY to uptight." --Timberwolf

Hmmm. I've been feeling uptight myself also. I think I'll follow your suggestion, TW. I know where I can find me about ten little cats, and I have a good cat hammer I've wanted to try out.:evilgrin:
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[2nd_Amendment]

Oh! You are in for it now! :D