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Rhino
12-19-2006, 08:16 AM
Egg-Toss Prank Turns Deadly in Ohio

Tuesday, December 19, 2006

By ANDREW WELSH-HUGGINS, Associated Press Writer

COLUMBUS, Ohio — It was the sort of commonplace misbehavior that raises blood pressure across the nation's roads: kids, out after midnight, egging cars along a busy thoroughfare.

This time, though, the mischief turned deadly. The driver of a targeted gray Jeep barreled after the boys and someone inside pulled a gun, firing multiple shots that killed 14-year-old Danny Crawford.

Police are still seeking the gunman more than two weeks after Crawford's death. They have interviewed the Jeep's owner but aren't saying if that person is a suspect.

"I'd like to know where he is. I'd like to know why he won't come out and admit what he did," said the teen's mother, Kelly Crawford, 35, a Fredericksburg, Va., office worker.

Crawford, raised in Virginia, where he lived with his mother, had moved to Columbus over the summer to be with his father. He decided to stay for the school year, attending eighth grade at a middle school a few minutes from his house.

"We're just wondering why it happened to him and why would somebody even think to do that?" Hannah Pulse, 13, a friend, said of Crawford's slaying.....http://www.foxnews.com/wires/2006Dec19/0,4670,DeadlyPrank,00.html

DoctorDoom
12-19-2006, 08:49 AM
I say tough shit. One hopes that the little bastards that survived will have second thoughts about imperilling drivers with their bullshit.

The details tell it all: mother and father living apart, no parental authority and supervision, life in an urban sewer, kids running wild.

The boys shouldn't have been throwing eggs at cars, said other teens from the area. But they also said nothing the boys did justified a fatal shooting.

"That's what kids do, they have fun on the weekends," said Kwon Wright, 16, a sophomore at nearby West High School. "That's what him and his boys was up to _ having fun doing what they do."Since when is it "fun" to throw things at vehicles in heavy traffic, endangering drivers and passengers? BTW, Kwon, you might want to consider cracking your English textbook once in a while. It might prevent your saying. "That's what him and his boys was up to ..." to a reporter.

We're raising a generation of mindless meatsacks.

Rhino
12-19-2006, 08:55 AM
Yuh huh.

Nutrider99
12-19-2006, 09:56 AM
"He was hanging around the wrong people, honestly."
In other words he was an unsupervised punk.

The boys shouldn't have been throwing eggs at cars, said other teens from the area. But they also said nothing the boys did justified a fatal shooting.
What he deserved was to have his ass kicked royally, but surrounded by his friends, that would have been unsafe for the driver.

"That's what kids do, they have fun on the weekends," said Kwon Wright, 16, a sophomore at nearby West High School.
Vandalizing other people's property is fun?

"That's what him and his boys was up to _ having fun doing what they do."
Two guesses. 1. Kwon is black. 2. the "victim" was just another punk "gangsta" wannabe

It was after midnight when the shooting happened. The teens were on a lighted church parking lot where it was common for kids to play basketball or roller-skate, and adults were nearby.
Why didn't someone tell the punks to get their asses to bed, ESPECIALLY when they started throwing eggs?

Nope. Sorry. No sympathy for him. I don't justify what the driver did, but he was attacked by punks and responded.

Wolfcounsel
12-19-2006, 10:01 AM
"What he deserved was to have his ass kicked royally, but surrounded by his friends, that would have been unsafe for the driver." --Nutrider99

I don't mind a scared shitless audience watching me pound the hell out of a turd. I'll tell them if they wait their turn I'll show them a little mercy.

DeclinetoState
12-19-2006, 10:56 AM
http://www.mysanantonio.com/specials/spurschamps/slideshows/spursmavericksgame3/images/10.jpg

Danny Crawford doesn't look 14 in this pic.

{Tap on shoulder; whisper in the ear . . .}

Oh, it wasn't that Danny Crawford. My bad. :blush:

DeclinetoState
12-19-2006, 11:09 AM
http://www.dispatch.com/2006/12/05/20061205-Pc-A1-0600.jpg

Danny Crawford, 14

Rhino
12-19-2006, 11:23 AM
You mean, the victim/perp. He may not have deserved to be shot, but he did take action to instigate the conflict, so he certainly isn't an unwitting or totally innocent victim.

DeclinetoState
12-19-2006, 11:41 AM
I'm sure that we'll find out the kids were simply protesting the war in Iraq or efforts to curb illegal immigration and that they meant no harm and that all of this is really the fault of George W. Bush and/or Republicans and/or conservatives.

:(

JOEVIKING
12-19-2006, 12:52 PM
So none of you ever Egg-ed Cars or threw snowballs at them as a Kid?
I find it hard to believe that none of you ever rebelled when you were a Teen

Rhino
12-19-2006, 01:01 PM
I did, and I deserved what I got in return. I said he didn't deserve to get shot, but that he wasn't innocent, just as I was not when I commited such rebellious acts as a teen. And no, I never egged a car. Snowballs are not at all the same thing, as they don't typically do to a car what eggs can do.

JOEVIKING
12-19-2006, 01:09 PM
I think snowballs are worse. Especially if packed real tight they could actually break a window. I know Eggs can eat the paint, but that is only if the owner doesn't wash it off.

While I agree (Now being an adult) it is wrong to throw eggs or snowballs at cars, it's far from deserving of being shot and then being treated as the criminal.

I know most of you don't believe he deserved to die, but nor do you feel any smypathy for him. That's just heartless and cold.

Rhino
12-19-2006, 01:25 PM
I feel some sympathy for him, and particularly for his family. In fact, I have nothing against him at all. My ire is provoked more by a media that depicts him as a completely unwitting, innocent victim of an uprovoked attack, when he really was not. Bad actions generate consequences, and while the consequences in this instance were incredibly out of proportion with the action itself, simply ignoring the bad actions does a disservice and may even allow other similar incidents to occur. We live in a society where personal responsibility is repeatedly downplayed. Continuing to downplay or ignore it will just make things worse, and very likely facilitate future incidents like this. He most certainly did not deserve what he got, but he shares a small portion of the blame by engaging in such acts, and other kids should be aware of that, and take note.

JOEVIKING
12-19-2006, 01:36 PM
I feel some sympathy for him, and particularly for his family. In fact, I have nothing against him at all. My ire is provoked more by a media that depicts him as a completely unwitting, innocent victim of an uprovoked attack, when he really was not. Bad actions generate consequences, and while the consequences in this instance were incredibly out of proportion with the action itself, simply ignoring the bad actions does a disservice and may even allow other similar incidents to occur. We live in a society where personal responsibility is repeatedly downplayed. Continuing to downplay or ignore it will just make things worse, and very likely facilitate future incidents like this. He most certainly did not deserve what he got, but he shares a small portion of the blame by engaging in such acts, and other kids should be aware of that, and take note.

While I see what your saying, I still think most posters on this thread are being a bit heartless and cold.

I haven't read any of the media's stories or seen it on TV, I just seen it here.

Wolfcounsel
12-19-2006, 01:38 PM
"So none of you ever Egg-ed Cars or threw snowballs at them as a Kid?
I find it hard to believe that none of you ever rebelled when you were a Teen" --JOEVIKING

"While I agree (Now being an adult) it is wrong to throw eggs or snowballs at cars, it's far from deserving of being shot and then being treated as the criminal.

I know most of you don't believe he deserved to die, but nor do you feel any smypathy for him. That's just heartless and cold." --JOEVIKING

I was not a rebel as a teen. I enjoyed harmless fun that did not annoy normal people or psychos who shoot for the slightest reason. You're right. I don't feel any sympathy for him. You dance to the music, you pay the piper. On a sidetrack, do you believe a kid has the right to play on a neighborhood street, and drivers are supposed to slow down when they see kids playing? Even psychos, and those drivers on drugs or alcohol?

JOEVIKING
12-19-2006, 01:56 PM
"So none of you ever Egg-ed Cars or threw snowballs at them as a Kid?
I find it hard to believe that none of you ever rebelled when you were a Teen" --JOEVIKING

"While I agree (Now being an adult) it is wrong to throw eggs or snowballs at cars, it's far from deserving of being shot and then being treated as the criminal.

I know most of you don't believe he deserved to die, but nor do you feel any smypathy for him. That's just heartless and cold." --JOEVIKING

I was not a rebel as a teen. I enjoyed harmless fun that did not annoy normal people or psychos who shoot for the slightest reason. You're right. I don't feel any sympathy for him. You dance to the music, you pay the piper. On a sidetrack, do you believe a kid has the right to play on a neighborhood street, and drivers are supposed to slow down when they see kids playing? Even psychos, and those drivers on drugs or alcohol?

Well, I guess that depends on the type of Neighborhood. If it's a city block, no they should stay off the streets. If it's a subburban town, sure why not.

Wolfcounsel
12-19-2006, 02:06 PM
"Well, I guess that depends on the type of Neighborhood. If it's a city block, no they should stay off the streets. If it's a subburban town, sure why not." --JOEVIKING

You chose--unwisely. Psychos, drugged, or drunk drivers do not tend to believe suburban streets filled with children playing are off-limits to their stupor.<!-- / message -->

JOEVIKING
12-19-2006, 02:39 PM
"Well, I guess that depends on the type of Neighborhood. If it's a city block, no they should stay off the streets. If it's a subburban town, sure why not." --JOEVIKING

You chose--unwisely. Psychos, drugged, or drunk drivers do not tend to believe suburban streets filled with children playing are off-limits to their stupor.<!-- / message -->


Wow, we never have that problem in our town.
Last time a driver hit anyone on a residential street in our town would be, actually can't think of a time.

DoctorDoom
12-19-2006, 02:59 PM
While I see what your saying, I still think most posters on this thread are being a bit heartless and cold.And? Sorry, kid, but my heart does not bleed all over my sleeve for the poor, innocent, misjudged little choir boy. Throwing anything at moving vehicles presents an unacceptable hazard.

So none of you ever Egg-ed Cars or threw snowballs at them as a Kid?I for one did not. OTOH, I was intelligent and educated enough to have constructive things to do with my free time.

I find it hard to believe that none of you ever rebelled when you were a Teen.Harmless rebelliousness is expected of zit-poppers. Vandalism and reckless behavior in the name of "fun" are NOT. What "him and his boys was up to" pissed off the wrong person. Ergo, him won't be egging any more cars.

Peachdiane
12-19-2006, 03:05 PM
How many accidents have been caused by 'harmless pranks?' A lot, I bet you. It's a crime against property to hit a vehicle with something that could cause an accident, not to mention $$$$ worth of damage. Boy I tell you, if any punk dares throw anything at my truck while I'm driving, I presume he's trying to kill me/us and I WILL respond accordingly.

Spare me the tears. I have NO pity for the 'victim' here.

The_Fireman
12-19-2006, 04:04 PM
Eggs are food or for making baby chickens.They are not for throwing.I cannot find any pity for this SOB,Mainly because I own a 1998 Mitsubshi Mirage that has been "egged" and I can tell what it will do.I could also tell you what I would have done to the one that did it if I could have found him.He would not have egged another one for a long time.

HomeschoolrsRUs
12-19-2006, 09:37 PM
I'm sorry if this sounds cold, cruel, and heartless, but "harmless pranks" are anything but. Just because SOME people have gotten away with such things (as egging cars, snowballs, etc.) doesn't make it okay, nor should we just brush off these types of incidents as "boys will be boys" or "childish pranks." What kind of message do we send to OTHER children when we make such excuses for inexcusable behavior?

We had a "harmless prank" occur down here too, only the perpetrator was not the one killed. Instead it was an innocent officer of the law who stopped to move something (a) "pranster(s)" had put int he street. Did HE deserve to die because of a "harmless prank"?

Police Forums & Law Enforcement Forums @ Officer.com - Gainesville police officer killed (http://forums.officer.com/forums/showthread.php?t=7217)

GAINESVILLE, Fla. -- (AP) -- A 17-year-old struck and killed a police officer who stopped to roll a baseball batting cage out of a road early Monday.

< snip, snip >

Police believe the batting cage, that weighs between 200 and 300 pounds, was placed in the road by pranksters.



Actions have consequences -- and one never knows what those might entail. Obviously this young man (from the OP) had no idea what price his "harmless prank" would call for. Sometimes in life we don't get a "do-over". http://www.freeconservatives.com/vb/images/icons/icon9.gif