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DesertFox
01-07-2007, 12:18 PM
Terry Eagleton

[Eagleton is a Marxist -- but as you'll see from reading this lengthy article, he is a learned, honest Marxist rather than a Dawkins-type Marxist]

Imagine someone holding forth on biology whose only knowledge of the subject is the Book of British Birds, and you have a rough idea of what it feels like to read Richard Dawkins on theology. Card-carrying rationalists like Dawkins, who is the nearest thing to a professional atheist we have had since Bertrand Russell, are in one sense the least well-equipped to understand what they castigate, since they don’t believe there is anything there to be understood, or at least anything worth understanding. This is why they invariably come up with vulgar caricatures of religious faith that would make a first-year theology student wince. The more they detest religion, the more ill-informed their criticisms of it tend to be. If they were asked to pass judgment on phenomenology or the geopolitics of South Asia, they would no doubt bone up on the question as assiduously as they could. When it comes to theology, however, any shoddy old travesty will pass muster. These days, theology is the queen of the sciences in a rather less august sense of the word than in its medieval heyday.

Dawkins on God is rather like those right-wing Cambridge dons who filed eagerly into the Senate House some years ago to non-placet Jacques Derrida for an honorary degree. Very few of them, one suspects, had read more than a few pages of his work, and even that judgment might be excessively charitable. Yet they would doubtless have been horrified to receive an essay on Hume from a student who had not read his Treatise of Human Nature. There are always topics on which otherwise scrupulous minds will cave in with scarcely a struggle to the grossest prejudice. For a lot of academic psychologists, it is Jacques Lacan; for Oxbridge philosophers it is Heidegger; for former citizens of the Soviet bloc it is the writings of Marx; for militant rationalists it is religion.

What, one wonders, are Dawkins’s views on the epistemological differences between Aquinas and Duns Scotus? Has he read Eriugena on subjectivity, Rahner on grace or Moltmann on hope? Has he even heard of them? Or does he imagine like a bumptious young barrister that you can defeat the opposition while being complacently ignorant of its toughest case? Dawkins, it appears, has sometimes been told by theologians that he sets up straw men only to bowl them over, a charge he rebuts in this book; but if The God Delusion is anything to go by, they are absolutely right. As far as theology goes, Dawkins has an enormous amount in common with Ian Paisley and American TV evangelists. Both parties agree pretty much on what religion is; it’s just that Dawkins rejects it while Oral Roberts and his unctuous tribe grow fat on it.

A molehill of instances out of a mountain of them will have to suffice. Dawkins considers that all faith is blind faith, and that Christian and Muslim children are brought up to believe unquestioningly. Not even the dim-witted clerics who knocked me about at grammar school thought that. For mainstream Christianity, reason, argument and honest doubt have always played an integral role in belief. (Where, given that he invites us at one point to question everything, is Dawkins’s own critique of science, objectivity, liberalism, atheism and the like?) Reason, to be sure, doesn’t go all the way down for believers, but it doesn’t for most sensitive, civilised non-religious types either. Even Richard Dawkins lives more by faith than by reason. We hold many beliefs that have no unimpeachably rational justification, but are nonetheless reasonable to entertain. Only positivists think that ‘rational’ means ‘scientific’. Dawkins rejects the surely reasonable case that science and religion are not in competition on the grounds that this insulates religion from rational inquiry. But this is a mistake: to claim that science and religion pose different questions to the world is not to suggest that if the bones of Jesus were discovered in Palestine, the pope should get himself down to the dole queue as fast as possible. It is rather to claim that while faith, rather like love, must involve factual knowledge, it is not reducible to it.

More (http://www.lrb.co.uk/v28/n20/print/eagl01_.html)

DesertFox
01-07-2007, 12:18 PM
This is a Hall of Fame article.

DesertFox
01-07-2007, 12:29 PM
Further along in the article: Dawkins, who is as obsessed with the mechanics of Creation as his Creationist opponents, understands nothing of these traditional doctrines. Nor does he understand that because God is transcendent of us (which is another way of saying that he did not have to bring us about), he is free of any neurotic need for us and wants simply to be allowed to love us. Dawkins’s God, by contrast, is Satanic. Satan (‘accuser’ in Hebrew) is the misrecognition of God as Big Daddy and punitive judge, and Dawkins’s God is precisely such a repulsive superego. This false consciousness is overthrown in the person of Jesus, who reveals the Father as friend and lover rather than judge. Dawkins’s Supreme Being is the God of those who seek to avert divine wrath by sacrificing animals, being choosy in their diet and being impeccably well behaved. They cannot accept the scandal that God loves them just as they are, in all their moral shabbiness. This is one reason St Paul remarks that the law is cursed. Dawkins sees Christianity in terms of a narrowly legalistic notion of atonement – of a brutally vindictive God sacrificing his own child in recompense for being offended – and describes the belief as vicious and obnoxious. It’s a safe bet that the Archbishop of Canterbury couldn’t agree more. It was the imperial Roman state, not God, that murdered Jesus. ...

Dawkins tends to see religion and fundamentalist religion as one and the same. This is not only grotesquely false; it is also a device to outflank any more reflective kind of faith by implying that it belongs to the coterie and not to the mass. The huge numbers of believers who hold something like the theology I outlined above can thus be conveniently lumped with rednecks who murder abortionists and malign homosexuals.

DoctorDoom
01-07-2007, 01:50 PM
It's good to see that pompous ass get a thorough comeuppance once in a while. Thanks for the link, brer DF. It's a keeper.

Bluemoon_Rising
01-07-2007, 03:38 PM
Dawkins' juvenile repudiations of the God idea, that vicious sense of superiority typical of poorly socialized children and the ferociously ill-informed, is only marginally more sophisticated than that of a Rosy O’Donnell or a Bill Marh.

As you say, Fox, Eagleton is a Marxist, but he is not entirely mad, though one wonders how it is he fails to recognize that unencumbered capitalism is the only just and inevitable economic arrangement consistent with the God who empowers us “to be ourselves”, free and joyous in His life and creative will for as long as this phase of theological history persists.

The following is a brilliant juxtaposition of observations, which includes one of the very few made by Marx with which I agree, though for an obviously different reason, leading to an entirely different conclusion.

It is, in the words of the late Dominican theologian Herbert McCabe, that if you don’t love you’re dead, and if you do, they’ll kill you. Here, then, is your pie in the sky and opium of the people. It was, of course, Marx who coined that last phrase; but Marx, who in the same passage describes religion as the ‘heart of a heartless world, the soul of soulless conditions’, was rather more judicious and dialectical in his judgment on it than the lunging, flailing, mispunching Dawkins.

Still, Paul says it best: "We are sheep for the slaughter."

For the sake of argument, if what Marx insists is really nothing more than “the opiate of the masses”, than it is in fact the heart of the only god worth following, the only delusion worth living, the only honorable and courageous path in a rotten world. But that would seem to be an absurdity. How could honor and courage be inconsistent with actuality? No. Christ’s sacrifice -- God’s solution -- is infinitely more sensible and radical than the delusions of the materialists. Christ’s scatological mission is not the stuff of material or historical dialectics; it’s not the stuff of do-gooders, the stuff of utopians. But for a few exceptions, it sure is hell is not the dime-store theology of TV evangelism. Christ is not in the business of transforming the world. He did not give his flesh to be torn to shreds and nailed to a cross in order to make the world a better place. He came to take His sheep out of it. Through Christ, the Father condemned the world, discarded it and began anew.

As for Dawkins, he’s just another religious zealot -- a carnival act, a tramp -- hanging onto the decaying remnants of the only god that suits him: a heap of dust.

DesertFox
01-07-2007, 09:51 PM
Superb comments, Moon. I was waiting for you to comment before copying this to the Hall of Fame.

Bluemoon_Rising
01-09-2007, 12:48 AM
Superb comments, Moon. I was waiting for you to comment before copying this to the Hall of Fame.

Well, not only that, but the excerpt you pulled out gets at the very "heart" of the matter that Eagleton is about -- Marxist or no Marxist.

I've encountered the likes of Eagleton before -- Marxist who are not atheists. Not only that but I've even told such that they are so close to Christ that their house would burn down if their heats got any closer to what Christ's all about. I'm about 20-80 with these sort of leftists. Most of them immediately shake their heads and walk away. The others -- when I tell them they've got it right except for the mercy of God and the necessity that He make it all anew in Christ -- shake their heads and ask me what the hell I'm talking about? But they don't walk away. Not immediately. Maybe a third of those who remain get it. Okay with me. It isn’t my will or my power of persuasion that counts, just God's truth.

The next obstacle is getting them to see Jesus without their social economics.

For crying out loud, man, can’t you just let people be people with respect to what they may or may not accomplish economically on their guts, their intestinal fortitude?

DesertFox
01-09-2007, 01:39 PM
Dawkins’s God ... is Satanic. Satan (‘accuser’ in Hebrew) is the misrecognition of God as Big Daddy and punitive judgeHe's talkin' 'bout Allah and Islam here.

Nutrider99
02-19-2007, 03:59 PM
Dawkins will believe in God very soon. Not soon enough, I'm afraid.

DoctorDoom
02-19-2007, 06:31 PM
Sadly true. Hell is chock full of ex-atheists. Fortunately, I became one on this side of the fence.

Maggie_T
02-24-2007, 08:18 PM
*S N O R T*

I went to Borders today. I was looking at the bestsellers sections when suddenly I felt this whoosh as something went past me and made a bee-line for Dawkins' book. It was the expectedly ugly, fat, unkempt feminazi, who looked like she'd spent the night in the laundry basket. You see a lot of those here in Maine.

Maggie_T
02-24-2007, 08:48 PM
It is truly surprising to me to find a Marxist that is not an atheist into the bargain.

Unlike Moon, I never encountered a Marxist that was not screechingly anti-religion. I guess the sort of Marxists I ran across in the course of my life were drawn to that philosopy more for its rejection of religion, than for its views on economy.

This Eagleton person reminds me of Christopher Hitchens. While undoubtedly a lefty, he is not a knee-jerk one. I will always remember with delight Hitchens' written bitch-slap to Michael Moore and his Farenheit 911.

Interesting. Thank you for the link, Fox.

DesertFox
02-24-2007, 09:04 PM
I don't know that Eagleton IS religious or a Catholic or what. I do know that anyone who is going to seriously criticize a religion should know it inside out so that he aims at the proper targets and then hits them. People such as Dawkins are rife on the Left, taking on subjects they know little about. Algore on climate. Steven Jay Gould on intelligence. Dawkins on God. Linus Pauling on vitamins. Feminists on sex.

Maggie_T
02-25-2007, 08:35 AM
Oh, I never implied that Eagleton was religious in any way. But - like Hitchens on the WOT - at least he has the sense to inform himself on the subject before he opines, which is a heck more than can be said for the average, foaming-at-the-mouth commie.

DesertFox
02-25-2007, 09:22 AM
Exactly.