Africa's inferno

[DesertFox]

In the Darfur region of Sudan, civilians are raped and killed, not for land or goods, but because of who they are. The killing is an end in itself.

A humanitarian disaster is unfolding right now in the Darfur region of Sudan, and it could be prevented. More than 300,000 people, most of them ethnically African, have been killed in the past two years. Some 3.3 million have been forced to flee into camps as a campaign of terror by Janjaweed militias and the army of the government of Sudan clears large areas of the region. The campaign is co-ordinated and systematic. NGOs that hope to give limited help are themselves subject to intimidation. The latest reports suggest that up to 40 per cent of those designated ethnically African cannot be protected.

Rebels fighting the government have also attacked camps and killed civilians. There is, however, an utter disparity in power and violence perpetrated, between the rebel groups and the government/Janjaweed forces. Moreover, the government deploys an overtly Arab-supremacist ideology, chillingly expressed in Janjaweed chants of "Kill the blacks, kill the slaves", and evidence exists of written orders from the government "to change the demography of Darfur and empty it of African tribes".

More (http://www.newstatesman.com/200701150028)

[DesertFox]

It's Rwanda all over again and we're ignoring it all over again. So is everybody else.

[cerberus]

Agreed. We should intervene to stop it, now. "Never Again" should not only apply to the Jewish Holocaust.

[DoctorDoom]

Liberals love to feel good about themselves by spouting such piffle, but they monomaniacally oppose the liberation of Iraq, where equally nightmarish conditions existed.

Fact time: if we decided to go into Darfur, the same liberals who are advocating action would be screeching and wailing about "quagmire" and "another Vietnam".

[DesertFox]

Yep. We should still try.

[cerberus]

Of course we should get involved DF. I had high hopes when Sec. Powell finally called it genocide, but after that.....nothing. So much for action I suppose. Africa and Africans, are, and apparently always will be less important.
I always said the greatest stain on Clinton's Presidency was his total failure to do a damn thing about Rwanda.

[DoctorDoom]

Anything that a liberal supports is automatically suspect.

[PaulRevere]

It may be his greatest stain, in your opinion, Cerby, but everyone else remembers another stain.

This is just another example of the inept UN collectively wringing it's hands and unable to do anything about it: Cambodia, Rwanda, Iraq, Bosnia, Kosovo, Timor, and on and on and on.

[DesertFox]

Yeah. The UN better watch what it wishes for. America might do again what we did under Reagan and not pay those thieves for a few years. Then they won't be able to have so much fun raping little African kids and ripping off UN programs meant to feed the starving.

[Rhino]

It may be his greatest stain, in your opinion, Cerby, but everyone else remembers another stain.Yeah, "stain" probably wasn't the best choice of words. :D

[Kathy30]

Isn't this a case of freedom of religion. It is the arab's religious belief that they must empty the land of infidels. The tribes just happen to be the infidels in the way, this time.

I can't see your average liberal supporting infidels over muslims.

[Maggie_T]

Yeah, "stain" probably wasn't the best choice of words. :D


Well, that depends on which stain you are referring to. Blow Job Clinton's "legacy" is as spotted as a leopard's hide. :lol:

[cerberus]

Anything that a liberal supports is automatically suspect.
How about something substantive for once? No? What a shock. I suppose you're just content to let the genocide continue. Very well. At least we know where you stand.

[Wolfcounsel]

"It's Rwanda all over again and we're ignoring it all over again. So is everybody else." --DesertFox

As a start, when you have no weapons to defend yourself, at least fight back with your bare hands. If you win, you got yourself a weapon! In Rwanda, the blowing up of the radio station spouting off about killing the cockroaches did not come to fruition. I wonder what needs to be blown up in this case.

[cerberus]

It may be his greatest stain, in your opinion, Cerby, but everyone else remembers another stain.
Yeah, "stain" probably wasn't the best choice of words. :D

Well, that depends on which stain you are referring to. Blow Job Clinton's "legacy" is as spotted as a leopard's hide. :lol:
The obsession never ends does it? Thousands of people are dying and fellatio that happened years ago is still the topic of choice.

This is just another example of the inept UN collectively wringing it's hands and unable to do anything about it: Cambodia, Rwanda, Iraq, Bosnia, Kosovo, Timor, and on and on and on. You blame the UN as though it had some independent power to act. The UN at the end of the day, is simply a collection of independent states; if they choose not to act, or cannot then nothing gets done. The UN relies on the contribution of members. No contribution, no action. The job was passed off to the African Union which clearly doesn't have the capacity to do the job. If the US promised to send material support (logistical support, material, aircraft etc), I'm sure it would be welcome.

It's simply amazing how some people on this board are so blinded by ideology that they can take almost any issue, even a tragic one such as this, and boil it down to: blame Clinton, blame the UN and blame "liberals", but very little substantive discussion is put forth. It's also very disappointing .

[DesertFox]

Cerb, it never ceases to amaze me how you completely miss the point, every single time. Clinton and his liberal buddies ARE the UN, and they deserve all the degrading comments that can possibly be heaped on them. It does America no good (nor Africa) to send material aid, give money, contribute anything at all, because whatever we send will get siphoned off into the hands of a Kofi Annan or his son, an Idi Amin, a Robert Mugabe, et al ad nauseum -- all people Bill Clinton and Al Gore and every other liberal on the planet screamed and howled that we should be working thru, got all nasty about when Reagan refused to ante up America's share of the theft spoils, on and on and on.

That you refuse to get it isn't, I suppose, any big deal. That you continue to whine and bitch about OUR pointing it out, and our heaping well-earned abuse on Clinton and Sandy Burglar and their band of merry thieves -- well, that just shows you liberals never fail to miss the point that matters. Which is: The UN is a gigantic piece of shit. It's organized theft on the grand scale, and my taxes are paying for it and you liberals, the ones at the top, have your hands out, too. The UN isn't anywhere near as helpless as you make it out. It sends troops to Africa, and then those same troops rape little kids. Doesn't matter to you, does it? People like you elected Bill Clinton, known by then to be a serial rapist. See the connection? Rapists in Africa and a rapist in the White House who wants us to send more American money to the UN and shut up about it while he seduces young silly girls by the power of his office? Total corruption. That's what the UN is about, and it's what Bill Clinton and his wife are about. That's why we're not "over" Clinton. He's still here, still loved by the Left, still getting blowjobs from silly young girls and still hoping he gets to run the UN someday.

We're not shutting up for you or any other idiot liberal, cerberus. You don't like it, go somewhere else. I for one am fed up with you.

[Rhino]

Okay, cerb. I'll bite. What exactly do you think we should do?

[DoctorDoom]

How about something substantive for once? No? What a shock. I suppose you're just content to let the genocide continue. Very well. At least we know where you stand.How about your telling us why you liberal numbnuts insist that we go into Darfur to prevent genocide, but screamed your lame asses off when we went into Iraq to prevent genocide?

"Iraq wasn't posing a danger to America." Iraq invaded Kuwait, supported terrorism, and threatened the security of the middle east, but you liberal arseholes have been bellowing since day one of the liberation. What dangers does Darfur pose to anyone else that justify our invasion?

Or do you support military actions only until they occur?

Take your crap elsewhere, troll. You're becoming obnoxious.

[Wolfcounsel]

"Or do you support military actions only until they occur?" --DoctorDoom, to cerberus

Isn't that what Hanoi Johnny does?