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Seabee
01-15-2007, 07:49 PM
Before I get started this is an OPED piece and I realize that it is probably in the wrong forum. But so many posts, tonight, have started out with one topic and most have seemed to diverge on this one. I figured let's get it consolidated.

Many of the regular posters on this board have made coherent observations of the situation, that we as Americans, are in. Then there is the other group, the ones more concerned with finding shadows that do not exsist, running down the government because they might be doing something that is inconveniencing them, and finally the ones who sicken me the most, the people who are more worried about political gain and will use this war as a tool to furhter their goals.

We have long ago established that the government in this country is not perfect, we have a bloated Federal bureacracy, by American standards, massive spending, foreign competitors gaining on us, illegal immigrants out the wazoo, crime probelms in our inner cities, etc. I could go on and on, but there is one threat that will overshadow them all in a few years. It is one of survival against a people who look at us as the Devil, Satan incarnate. In no uncertain terms they have de-humanized every man, woman, and child in this country, by making us the visage of the universe's most vile and disgusting creature. Why? If we are sub-human in their eyes their is no guilt or responsibility for our wholesale slaughter. They would not be murdering children, they would be aleviating the peaceful Muslim realm of little Satans, how can that be bad if you are a Muslim.? It is time to come come to grips that this is the mentality we are up against, one of zealotry, religious facisim, murder, and every other evil your mind can possibly conjure.

To those here at home, yes we have social and economic problems. But, we have no more than we have had in the past, the only thing that has changed is the American populace. Everything that we are accustomed to is push button, we want what we want now. How does this effect our mindset on war? War is a long drawn out process of move counter move amd unlike most wars in the past, this is one of ideology. There are no definable borders, their is no precise enemy, we can be fighting anywhere at anytime. Nothing is certain in what we are facing. Unlike WW2, Vietnam, and wars in the past we had a face to associate the evil with. But in this new war we have many faces and many places. It is new, fluid and perhaps most disturbing, we can be fighting it right here on our own soil very easily. We must be patient in our expectations of victory, it will never be absolute, it will more than likely end when the blood bath is so wide spread that even they will no longer have the stomach to fight.

To the opportunists, you are the only creatures in this world that are more pugnacious than the enemy which we face. It is you who would look for chinks in the armor of our country to advance your own pathetic agenda. Whether it be the treatment of enemy combatants at Guantanamo, so called abuses at Abu Girab, idiotic observations that our government is out to get our civil liberties, or even the simple question of why are we fighting. In the final analysis we are in a war that will consume you too if we lose. Do those on the Left actually think they are doing the right thing for this country? Do the likes of George Soros, Michael Moore, John Kerry, and even misguided Al Gore, think that they know what's best or even care? The response is a simple "NO." They sit high in their ivory towers dispensing their so called moral justice while a horde is sneaking in to blow the tower up.

Finally the task of victory will not fall to the politicians, nor Hollywood, nor corporate America. It will be the ones it has always been, the people. It will be us who suffer the loses, it will be us who endure the hardships, it will be ours to bear the Cross. But like in the past we will destroy the tyranny and carry on smartly, and in God's name victory will be our's to earn, no one else.

DoctorDoom
01-15-2007, 08:44 PM
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jan
01-15-2007, 09:08 PM
Amen.

Maggie_T
01-16-2007, 05:07 PM
Do those on the Left actually think they are doing the right thing for this country? Do the likes of George Soros, Michael Moore, John Kerry, and even misguided Al Gore, think that they know what's best or even care?

Yes. They are firmly convinced that they know best, and that therefore, they should be in power.

They also firmly believe that America is the Great Satan (you thought that was only an Islamofascist belief?), the ugly imperialist devil, and that she needs to be brought down a peg or two hundred.

Don't take my word for it. Ask any leftist.

CountryGent
01-16-2007, 05:09 PM
Bravo Zulu Seabee.........:thumb::thumb::thumb:

DesertFox
01-16-2007, 05:12 PM
Anybody else wonderin' what 'bravo zulo' means? :question:

CountryGent
01-16-2007, 05:13 PM
Anybody else wonderin' what 'bravo zulo' means? :question:

LOL!! Navy slang for "WELL DONE" !!!:biggrin::biggrin:

DeclinetoState
01-16-2007, 07:16 PM
The problem with saying, "We are at war," is that libs will (at least partly correctly) point out that Bush stood underneath a banner saying "Mission Accomplished" years ago, right after the fall of Baghdad. Even if Bush didn't "authorize" it, they will argue that he seemed to agree with or condone it. Given that, isn't it dishonest of him and conservatives to now say, several years later, that we are still "at war"?

DoctorDoom
01-16-2007, 07:20 PM
The mission WAS accomplished when the liberation ended. Everything thereafter has been the result of terrorists trying to undo it.

Seabee
01-16-2007, 07:23 PM
That statement might be slightly credible if I had made a reference to Iraq as being the war in question. But as the OPED states, it is the overall war with Muslim extremists. Not just Iraq.

IloveJackBauer
01-17-2007, 12:35 AM
In World War2, "winning the war" meant getting unconditional surrenders from german government, japan government, and having hitler tried for his war crimes

In iraq, would "winning the war" mean getting an unconditional surrender from the Iraq government and having saddam being tried for war crimes? or is there something else we need to do to "win" the war?


I agree we are at war, I just dont know yet what we have to do to "win" it.

Trau
01-18-2007, 01:45 PM
The mission WAS accomplished when the occupation ended. Everything thereafter has been the result of terrorists trying to undo it.

The occupation ended? No.

Anyway, few people have a people have a problem with the actual act of overthrowing Saddam Hussein with the initial invasion. Everything after that, however, has revealed that no one with any stroke in the administration gave any consideration to what was supposed to happen in the aftermath.

This should have been clear to all of us when Never Served Wolfowitz called General Shinseki's suggestion that 500,000 troops would be needed to occupy Iraq "ridiculous".

If Bush truly cared about America and the future of the Middle East, he would resign. "Miserable Failure" doesn't even begin to describe his administration's handling of post-invasion Iraq. How is it acceptable to you people that entire towns and cities in Iraq are in the hands of terrorists or insurgents?

DoctorDoom
01-18-2007, 01:52 PM
The occupation ended? No.I used the wrong word. It's one of the hazards of composing posts simultaneously on a couple of boards. I have amended it with the correct word.

Seabee
01-18-2007, 04:18 PM
How is it acceptable to you people that entire towns and cities in Iraq are in the hands of terrorists or insurgents?

I do not think that entire cities and towns occupied by terrorists is accecptable to anyone here in this forum. At least anyone with any sense. I have not seen anything but criticisim of how Post War Iraq is being handled by the Administration due to political cowtowing to the Looney Left. Remember it was the likes of the Left that empowered the Cindy Sheehans of the world which has caused the war to become politicized. This is not a reprieve of the Administration for its complicity in the situation. This is an admonishment of the Left for their part in the development of this occupation also.

S-T
01-20-2007, 08:29 PM
"Miserable Failure" doesn't even begin to describe his administration's handling of post-invasion Iraq.

If "miserable failure (http://www.michaelmoore.com)" doesn't describe the way Bush has handled the war overall, it certainly describes how he has dealt with Moqtada al-Sadr. Why is Moqtada al-Sadr still alive?

I fear we're gonna lose this war for the same reason we lost Vietnam - the nation does not have the political will to win it. The Terrorists can't win on the battlefield, but they can win in the opinion polls and in the halls of Congress. If we don't have the will to do whatever it takes to win the thing, why are we still there? Why should our troops be sent to be maimed and killed in a war this country has no intention of winning?

We should have more respect for our troops than that. Take off the chains, let them obliterate the terrorists, and put Moqtada al-Sadr in the ground. If we're not willing to do that, then get out. I am just fed up.

d'urville
01-21-2007, 03:10 AM
Yeah, Muqtada al-Sadr"s followers infiltrated the security with Saddam Hussein's execution, chanted "Muqtada" and taunted Saddam,filmed itand circulated it all over Arab TV and the internet. Could have just followed them when they left.

I'm tired of the anti-war crowd complainting about Iraq. Bush never "lied" about WMD's, Sadaam is gone, and it never was about the oil. It's as if this entire country is comprised of wannabee military strategists, they just repeat the same thing over and over.

“We should have never gone to Iraq in the first place.” Using this as a pullout reason is like debating the best course of action during open-heart surgery, then walking out of the operating room without making sure the heart is beating and stitching the patient up.

http://article.nationalreview.com/?q=YzQ0MjBkNWI2Zjk1MDA0MWFjMDY1NzhjN2RhMTkwYmI=

This war has to be fought, better now than later, hope the troop surge was guided by policy makers, not the pollsters.

Trau
01-21-2007, 02:52 PM
I do not think that entire cities and towns occupied by terrorists is accecptable to anyone here in this forum. At least anyone with any sense. I have not seen anything but criticisim of how Post War Iraq is being handled by the Administration due to political cowtowing to the Looney Left. Remember it was the likes of the Left that empowered the Cindy Sheehans of the world which has caused the war to become politicized. This is not a reprieve of the Administration for its complicity in the situation. This is an admonishment of the Left for their part in the development of this occupation also.

The Left kept the Bush administration from listening to what the military was saying before we even invaded? Did the Left make Rumsfeld fire everyone who disagreed with him until he found people who didn't?

Do you think there was anything wrong that this administration did that wasn't supposedly the Left's fault?

Maggie_T
01-21-2007, 03:10 PM
Do you think there was anything wrong that this administration did that wasn't supposedly the Left's fault?


Oh, perish the thought. We all know the left is never wrong. :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

RED
01-21-2007, 05:42 PM
Do you think there was anything wrong that this administration did that wasn't supposedly the Left's fault?

Well, of course the fault is with the Administration because it was their choice to follow the rules of leftist political correctness. So yes, it's the Administrations fault for pussyfooting around. One can only wishful think (because that's all one can do) that the new rules of engagement, (yet to be implemented) will not include political correctness. We'll know that if the leftist traitors are marching en masse complaining about our tactics. In any event, you can be assured of one thing. The left will be rooting for America to lose and hoping for an increased casualty count. :flame: