Giuliani Inspired Plan for Border Control

[maxparrish]

Rudi Giuliani informed Hannity listeners that he did not support an actual fence across our southern border. Why? Because, it "can't be built" or "if it can it would have to be built by illegals". He favors, as does the leadership of the Republican party, a "virtual fence" to check on the type of criminals and others who might be trying to cross.

Now that I see how smart, insightful, and practical the anti- fence opponents are, I want to explain to the rest of my freeper friends why Mel, Rudi, McCain, Hagel, Brownback, etc. are correct and why we, the benighted rank and file masses, are woefully ignorant fools.

Suppose we had a 2000 mile security fencing system (two parallel fences with a patrol road down the center) across the whole border, complete with vehicle ditch's, posted guards, dogs, and cameras. OBVIOUSLY that would totally ineffective at stopping unarmed civilians and would provide no security.

However creating a "virtual fence" of camera monitoring would be very effective, especially if it were just limited to trouble spots. In fact, a limited "virtual fence" is almost as good as no monitoring at all (which we now know is perfect).

I am not sure y'all understand how good this idea is. Virtual fencing could be part of a complex system. Imagine it...virtual guards, vitual towers, virtual jeeps, virtual guns, and EVEN virtual dogs...amazing. Do you realize how intimidating it will be when a 3D hologram steps up to a party of AK47 armed drug smugglers and says "I am virtual officer #9837..bzzzzz....please show your passport to that cactus bush with the camera....bzzzzzz".

And if they run or drive off, the virtual dogs can chase them, barking and snarling. (We can even make the 3D dogs speak Spanish)

Still as McCain has explained the most secure border is no border at all....that makes perfect sense "War is Peace...Hate is Love...Border Security is No Border..."

:yummy:

[CountryGent]

Land mines are a whole lot cheaper than any fence......and we have millions of those damn things in storage already.:D:D:D

[Federal Farmer]

Still as McCain has explained the most secure border is no border at all....that makes perfect sense "War is Peace...Hate is Love...Border Security is No Border...":yummy:
We should just make Mexico the 51st state; then we'd only need to patrol the much smaller borders with Guatemala and Belize. Makes perfect sense, don't it?

[dPrasse]

Isn't that what the North American Union is about ? Dissolving our borders and making us one big happy socialist family ? The Globalist slip truth in amongst their blathering ...

[Rhino]

(We can even make the 3D dogs speak Spanish)LOL!

[HomeschoolrsRUs]

I am not sure y'all understand how good this idea is. Virtual fencing could be part of a complex system. Imagine it...virtual guards, vitual towers, virtual jeeps, virtual guns, and EVEN virtual dogs...amazing. Do you realize how intimidating it will be when a 3D hologram steps up to a party of AK47 armed drug smugglers and says "I am virtual officer #9837..bzzzzz....please show your passport to that cactus bush with the camera....bzzzzzz".

And if they run or drive off, the virtual dogs can chase them, barking and snarling. (We can even make the 3D dogs speak Spanish)

:yikes:
THE KING HAS NO CLOTHES!

[maxparrish]

LOL!

Glad to hear you are in agreement. I think the spanish speaking dogs could really improve our image; we could also have nearby cacti move its hips and talk, one needled limb on hip, and the other limb pointing the way on trails.

For example:

Pete the 3D cacti: "Halt border crosser...where are you going"?

Smuggler: "Ummmm I chusss want to take a waalllk and maybbeee to go ssseee Mr. Bush of Oz."

Pete: "A Bush?" "WELL, you can go there (points one way with right limb); or there (points the other way with left limb); or both ways (limbs cross to point each way).

Smuggler: "Thank you Senior Cacti. Goodbye now"

Pete: "Think nothing of it...but remember there are demoralized border patrol lions and INS paper tigers and minutemen bears".

Smuggler: Essss okay, I have my assualt rifle from China and 50 compadres behind me.

Pete: "In that case, good luck"

Pete waves to them as the party snakes its way through the desert, bales of drugs on the porter's heads, to the promised land of opportunity. Music cuts in with....

"Happy Trails to you, untill we meet again...happy trails to you, keep smilin' until then...Who cares about the clouds when we're together? ...Just sing a song and bring the sunny weather... Happy trails to you, 'till we meet again ".

Credits Roll:

McCain Productions
,,,,

[Patrick Henry]

:yikes:

THE KING HAS VIRTUAL CLOTHES!


Fixed.

[dPrasse]

Maybe we could have a roving "Invisible Swordsman" too !
Just say the secret chant , fire a virtual gun in the air and Shazam !

Invisible back up for the virtual dogs ...

[Patrick Henry]

I would also lock-up the offenders in virtual jails.

[LadyHawke]

We should just make Mexico the 51st state;

The Reconquistas don't miss a chance to tell us they're going to "take back" America's southwest.
Imagine the insanity if Americans started talking "seriously" about annexing Mexico as our 51st state (where English, and the American dollar would be mandatory, of course, and all residents would be expected to give over their jobs, homes, etc to any American that wanted them.)
You'd hear the screaming all the way from "Chi-hua-hua". Maybe we should pass the word around, and "fight fire with fire".

Viva La Migra!
LadyHawke

[Patrick Henry]

The Reconquistas don't miss a chance to tell us they're going to "take back" America's southwest.
Imagine the insanity if Americans started talking "seriously" about annexing Mexico as our 51st state (where English, and the American dollar would be mandatory, of course, and all residents would be expected to give over their jobs, homes, etc to any American that wanted them.)
You'd hear the screaming all the way from "Chi-hua-hua". Maybe we should pass the word around, and "fight fire with fire".

Viva La Migra!
LadyHawke

In keeping with Rudy's theme... it should be a 'virtual' state.

[dPrasse]

In keeping with Rudy's theme... it should be a 'virtual' state.

That pretty much sums up the North American Union ... a virtual Socialist state ...

[Patrick Henry]

That pretty much sums up the North American Union ... a virtual Socialist state ...

Can we elect Rudy to run this virtual state and a conservative to run the real one?

[dPrasse]

Now we have a plan I can support !!

Rudy will be our Max Headroom ?
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/7/7b/MaxheadroomMpegMan.jpg/200px-MaxheadroomMpegMan.jpg

[Beowulf]

Beo's border solution:
http://static.flickr.com/25/44001996_3ba537a918.jpg
A few hundred of them as needed and something like this along the border:
http://www1.istockphoto.com/file_thumbview_approve/607939/2/istockphoto_607939_berlin_wall.jpg

[Kathy30]

I cannot bring myself to vote for Guliani. He's just another open borders advocate. If it comes to him and a democrat, I'll vote democrat. A democrat president will embolden the middle eastern terrorists to the point where they'll feel safe having cells operate freely and openly doing whatever they want within the US. It may take that kind of exposure to end the democrat threat once and for all.

[Longhorn_Platinum]

:unsmile: As much as I like Kathy30's idea, the drawback is that the demonic rats will use their time in office to pack our court system with clueless, moslem-coddling wackos that we'll be at least thirty years trying to get rid of. Besides, I swore I wouldn't vote democrat for any reason for at least 20 years, after the way they tried to steal the 2000 election.

[Beowulf]

Kathy, for the same reasons LP used, I couldn't vote for a Democrat but I WOULD vote the Constitutionalists Party. I've said it before and I'll say it again, "consider the alternative" won't be on my radar in 2008.

[dPrasse]

Beo's border solution:


Somebody could get hurt !!
Do we have enough prison space to lockup the Border Guards actually harming illegals ?

Do we have enough land to GIVE to illegals for compensation of being scared ??

[Patrick Henry]

Kathy, for the same reasons LP used, I couldn't vote for a Democrat but I WOULD vote the Constitutionalists Party. I've said it before and I'll say it again, "consider the alternative" won't be on my radar in 2008.

My sentiments exactly! :thumb:

[BuckeyeMike]

Gawd, I'm sick of hearing this POS Giuliani's name already!

[Patrick Henry]

Gawd, I'm sick of hearing this POS Giuliani's name already!

Would a little more make-up and a new wig change your mind?

[BuckeyeMike]

Not a chance!

[omegatrump]

Vote Constitution party. Keep your conscience clean.

[Rhino]

Too isolationist.

[DesertFox]

Too absurd.

[Beowulf]

Too isolationist.
And the problem with Isolationism is??????????

[BuckeyeMike]

Whut Beo said!

[Rhino]

And the problem with Isolationism is??????????Lots. I'm sure you've heard all the arguments before, so I won't repeat them here. Suffice it to say, though it's a very appealing idea, America cannot simply stand on it's own.

[Republican_Legion]

And the problem with Isolationism is??????????

Having read some of your opinions on the issue in the past I tend to side with Isolationism. I see where it goes strong with enforcing the border as Tancredo and Hunter agree on defeating NAFTA.

[BuckeyeMike]

Lots. I'm sure you've heard all the arguments before, so I won't repeat them here. Suffice it to say, though it's a very appealing idea, America cannot simply stand on it's own.

It could if every damned eviro wacko, green nazi, blame America first, liberal
puke had the livin' shit kicked outta him/her and made to sit down and STFU!

[uncommon1]

It could if every damned eviro wacko, green nazi, blame America first, liberal
puke had the livin' shit kicked outta him/her and made to sit down and STFU!


I love it that we conservatives have a whole lot of passion. Mike, you say so much and with so few words, and the best part is, so many of us feel the same way. :claps:

[Rhino]

It could if every damned eviro wacko, green nazi, blame America first, liberal
puke had the livin' shit kicked outta him/her and made to sit down and STFU!As I said, it's appealing, but it isn't workable.

[BuckeyeMike]

I love it that we conservatives have a whole lot of passion. Mike, you say so much and with so few words, and the best part is, so many of us feel the same way. :claps:

I aim to please! Thank you!

[BuckeyeMike]

As I said, it's appealing, but it isn't workable.



Riiiiiiiiiiight!

[sunsettommy]

Lots. I'm sure you've heard all the arguments before, so I won't repeat them here. Suffice it to say, though it's a very appealing idea, America cannot simply stand on it's own.

Riiiiiiiiiiight!

As I said, it's appealing, but it isn't workable.

And the problem with Isolationism is??????????

Too absurd.

Too isolationist.

Vote Constitution party. Keep your conscience clean.

I aim to please! Thank you!

Whut Beo said!

Not a chance!

My sentiments exactly!

LOL!

[CzechPrince]

Having read some of your opinions on the issue in the past I tend to side with Isolationism. I see where it goes strong with enforcing the border as Tancredo and Hunter agree on defeating NAFTA.


Tarrifs, protectionsim, and taxes do not help economies, including our own.

[Republican_Legion]

Tarrifs, protectionsim, and taxes do not help economies, including our own.

And building the 'North American Union' with Canada and Mexico doesnt help our economy either. Another EURO clone eventually coming our way.

[Beowulf]

Lots. I'm sure you've heard all the arguments before, so I won't repeat them here. Suffice it to say, though it's a very appealing idea, America cannot simply stand on it's own.

We could if we really wanted to. Of that I have no doubt. We have more than enough resources to be on our own, a solid workforce and if our military is here from places abroad, no one would dare threaten.
We are dependent on other countries because through politics we have MADE ourselves that way. I guarantee you, we isolate ourselves from the rest of the world and it won't be long before at least a few countries start begging for help as our money is no longer there!

[Rhino]

Wouldn't have to worry about the military. Without raw materials from abroad, they wouldn't have much equipment left to fight with anyway.

[Faithful_Servant]

I like the idea of a virtual fence, just arm it with guns that people could pay an hourly fee to run from the comfort of thier own home. Any time an illegal is hit, the operator gets a free hour.

[maxparrish]

Tarrifs, protectionsim, and taxes do not help economies, including our own.

That's a bit funny coming from a country's citizen that a few years ago decided that it was not even happy with the people within its own borders and split up into the Czech Republic and Slovakia...

Somehow these rights of self-determination never apply to Americans...

[CzechPrince]

That's a bit funny coming from a country's citizen

I'm an American citizen as well.

that a few years ago decided that it was not even happy with the people within its own borders and split up into the Czech Republic and Slovakia...

Even though I would love reunification, the split was mutual. I fail to see how this has anything do with me supporting free trade. You act as if the Czech and Slovak Republics do not have close ties and relationships with one another. And the only people the Czechs have a problem with mainly in the country are the Roma (Gypsies), but that's another topic.


Somehow these rights of self-determination never apply to Americans...

Tarrifs, Taxes, Government controls on American busniesses and people is not self determination. Free and open markets, capitalism, and free trade are the foundation for a strong economy.

I challenge you to look at any country that has ever embraced protectionsim and a command economy and look where it has ended up, then contrast that to a nation like America, who prides itself on Capitalism and the Free market. And yet, we now have people who want the government to pull the already too-tight noose further on American busniesses. Enough is enough.

[libertyman]

Still as McCain has explained the most secure border is no border at all....that makes perfect sense "War is Peace...Hate is Love...Border Security is No Border..."

:yummy:

Y;all better take McCain seriously here, folks...this is definitely some straight talk: he & the rest of his CFR cronies are dead serious about eliminating our borders w/ Mexico & Canada!