Ann fights back!

[DeclinetoState]

AMBULANCE CHASER GETS REAR-ENDED BY ANN COULTER -
I'm so ashamed, I can't stop laughing!

Click SEE VIDEO CLIP HERE! (http://johnedwards.com/r/6662/22570)


JOHN “28,000 SQUARE FOOT HOUSE” EDWARDS NEEDS YOUR MONEY.>

Dear [Supporter],

Did you hear about Anne Coulter's speech this afternoon attacking John? A friend just forwarded me the video and it's one of the worst moments in American politics I've seen.

I can't bring myself to even repeat her comments. Her shameless display of bigotry is so outrageous you actually have to see for yourself:
This is just a taste of the filth that the right-wing machine is gearing up to throw at us. And now that it's begun, we have a choice: Do we sit back, or do we fight back?

I say we fight. Help us raise $100,000 in "Coulter Cash" this week to show every would-be Republican mouthpiece that their bigoted attacks will not intimidate this campaign. I just threw in 100 bucks. Will you join me? Just click here.:

Coulter's attack was no accident. It happened on national television at one of the year's biggest conservative conferences. Dick Cheney and most of the Republican candidates were in the audience. She was even introduced by Mitt Romney.

John was singled out for a personal attack because the Republican establishment knows he poses the greatest threat to their power. Since they have nothing real to use against him, Coulter's resorting to the classic right-wing strategy of riling up hate to smear a progressive champion. And the Republican attack dogs will keep playing this despicable trick as long as they think it works.

But this time, you and I can change the game.

If we can raise $100,000 in "Coulter Cash" this week, we can show that bigotry will only backfire on those who use it. John is not the first progressive leader to face this kind of slime, but together, we can make sure he is one of the last.

Tonight, I've put in 100 bucks of "Coulter Cash" to get us started. Can you match me, or chip in whatever you can afford? Just click here:

http://johnedwards.com/r/6665/22570:

Thanks,

David Bonior Campaign Manager John Edwards for President

IT'S ALWAYS GOOD TO DIVERT BONIOR FROM HIS PRINCIPAL PASTIME WHICH IS FRONTING FOR ARAB TERRORISTS.AnnCoulter.com (http://www.anncoulter.com/cgi-local/welcome.cgi)

[libertyman]

While part of me want to say "YOU GO, GIRL!" to Ann, the rest of me believes that those of us on the political Right should quit stooping to the gutter that the Lefties love to wallow in.

It's kinda nice to see our side take a few swipes @ the enemy every now & then, but you gotta remember that the MSM is on their side, not ours. Wouldn't it be better if we show a little class rather than sinking down to their level?

But I gotta admit that it does feel good.....

[DeclinetoState]

I'd rather she fight back than apologize.

[Apollo5600]

Why apologize to commies from hell?

[libertyman]

I'd rather she fight back than apologize.

When it comes to apologizing, either do I....not in the least! The MSM will soak it up & throw it back at us.

[Tazeeyore]

And this is percieved as ugly when every democrat calls Bush a dimwit, stupid, a liar etc:? I don't think so. It is time for Republicans to let the dems have it with both barrels and damn the MSM. They trash us even when we show class so what the hell......let er riiiiiiip.

[DesertFox]

What the Tazman said.

[Lubbock]

Someone needs to point the doper over to the original Coulter thread on this subject.

The "rest of him" might get a little different perspective on just who's in the "gutter."

[Naturalized-Texan]

Ann Coulter for president!

[BuckeyeMike]

Been readin' that Bonior bullshit, and I'm trying to understand the correlation between the percieved ramifications of what Annie said and Bonior asking everbody to send money. OK, so he gets his $100,000,....??? now what?............what the hell "statement" has been made? What is this money to be used for in conjunction with the Coulter statement?..WTF??????

[Bold_Fighter]

So much waste. 100k. Geez. And to think of the people that will go too. Busy Body type A American Ianfu marketing whores and "cool suave guys" that snort coke off of strippers butts.

[Bold_Fighter]

edwards...married

ann....not

hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm


This is what was said on a local talk show today, I called in and told them off but they hung up on me...imagine that!

[cerebraldebris]

edwards...married


That's what they call a "beard"... :D

[cerebraldebris]

Her joke was very mild compared to the verbal vomit that pours forth from the mouths of just about every loathsome, sniveling pansy-ass liberal out there.

Libertyman: No disrespect to your kind hearted call for class, but I feel like there's a time for class, and a time for just flat out knocking someone's d*** in the dirt. The lunacy of the left has gone on much too long. Pandering to these snakes and tolerance of their despicable behavior is why we are where we are now. Again, your higher road approach is admirable, but in this case, it's high time they get a little taste of their own medicine...
IMHO.

[Bold_Fighter]

Companies to pull ads from Coulter's Web site


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WASHINGTON (CNN) -- At least three major companies want their ads pulled from Ann Coulter's Web site, following customer complaints about the right-wing commentator referring to Democratic presidential candidate John Edwards as a "faggot."
Verizon, Sallie Mae and Georgia-based NetBank each said they didn't know their ads were on AnnCoulter.com until they received the complaints.
A diarist at the liberal blog DailyKos.com posted contact information for dozens of companies with ads on Coulter's site after the commentator made her remarks about Edwards at the Conservative Political Action Conference in Washington on Friday. (Full story (http://www.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/03/04/coulter.edwards/index.html))



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[S-T]

the rest of me believes that those of us on the political Right should quit stooping to the gutter that the Lefties love to wallow in.

I'll repeat what I said in the other thread.

"I've criticized Coulter before when I think she's gone over-the-top with her rhetoric. This time, however, Coulter was pointing out how silly the Left is when they foam at the mouth every time she says something."

The swipe at Edwards was a clear reference to her earlier statement about Algore and how the Left went into convulsions after that remark.

I criticized Coulter when she called Algore a "total fag" and I stand by that criticism, even though I did wind up taking myself far too seriously in that thread.

:D :D :D

I do not think that what she said about Edwards was all that bad given the context of the statement. Context matters.

Should she have said it? No. It didn't add anything productive, won't change anyone's mind, and serves to energize and motivate the Left. Politically speaking, it was a dumb thing to say. I would have strongly advised her not to use that line had I spoke to her before she went on stage. I just don't think the outrage is at all proportional to what she said.

[DoctorDoom]

Verizon is a corporate hotbed of hypocrisy.

(Los Angeles, CA)- Nearly a thousand angry parents and grandparents deluged Verizon Communications with calls and e-mails yesterday, protesting a Verizon DSL commercial called "Homework" which they say denigrates fathers.

The commercial depicts a father trying--and failing--to help his young daughter with her homework. The daughter, annoyed by her father, looks to her mother to get the father to leave. The mother tells the father to go wash the dog, commands him to "leave her alone,” and then yells at him when he is slow to comply.

The protesters were called to action by nationally-syndicated radio talk show host Glenn Sacks, host of His Side with Glenn Sacks.

Sacks told listeners that he "doesn't think Verizon means any harm" but that "like many... they have developed...a moral blind spot towards disparaging males." He added:

"Research shows how indispensable fathers are to their children's well-being....it is tremendously damaging to convince kids that their father is an idiot or that fathers are worthless."Verizon Bombarded By Protests Over Anti-Father Ad (http://www.mensnewsdaily.com/archive/newswire/news2004/1104/110904-verizon.htm)

A mother attempts to help her son with his homework, and fails. The son is annoyed with his mother's ignorance, and turns to his father with a look which says "obviously females can't do math--get her out of here." The father tells the mother to go wash the dishes. When she is slow to comply, he orders her away from her son, and then he yells at her.

Is it a Public Service Announcement from the National Coalition Against Domestic Violence? A clip from a documentary about life in the 1880s? No, it is a regularly aired commercial from one of America's largest companies. The difference is that in the real ad it is the father who is portrayed as ignorant and useless as he tries to help his daughter.

This week 2,000 of my radio show listeners sent letters to Verizon Communications protesting the insulting portrayal of the father in its commercial "Homework." Our protest has been covered by over 300 newspapers and media outlets. The Verizon ad's message is clear, and it's a common one on the TV screen--dad is dumb, dad is useless, mom is smarter than dad, hell, even an eight year-old girl is smarter than dad.Why I Launched the Campaign Against Verizon's Anti-Father Ad (http://www.glennsacks.com/why_i_launched_verizon.htm)

Verizon - "My partner and I are employed at Verizon. Verizon celebrates and recognizes the diverse cultures of its employees. I was most impressed with Verizon's policy of nondiscrimination, which fosters and recognizes the value of each individual and embraces our diverse culture. This policy of nondiscrimination is evident in Verizon's same-sex partner health insurance coverage. Verizon recognizes our GLBT groups and listens to our concerns. Every June, Verizon flies our rainbow flag at many high-profile locations in celebration of GLBT pride. Many "family" members of our community work there and share my opinion."Members' choice: the most gay-friendly companies (http://www.gay.com/business/article.html?coll=fin_article&sernum=311&page=25)

Ann doesn't need that company as an advertizer.

[Warlady]

The only problem I have is that Ann's remarks totally erased any other good that came out of that conference. The media is only talking about "what Ann said". For that I'd like to bitch slap her.

[DoctorDoom]

No doubt the asswipes of the MSM will play it up to the hilt, ala Foley. However, if we must walk on eggshells because of what those lying, treasonous bastards might say, while they give the libeRATs a free pass to carry on a 24/7 campaign of hatred, mockery and venom, then they have won.

IMO, we lost in 2006 because our side was pissing its pants in fear of being attacked in the media. Being "nice" doesn't work.

Republicans take note:

• You cannot be nice to RATs;
• You cannot compromise with RATs;
• The RATs will never love you;
• The RATs will never like you;
• The RATs cannot be trusted;
• The RATs define bipartisan as you agreeing with them;
• The MSM hate you and everything you represent;
• The MSM will never give you fair, objective coverage;
• The MSM will lie about you at every opportunity;
• The MSM is the unpaid RAT propaganda ministry;
• The RATs and the MSM are traitors who will sell out America to destroy you;
• Your only option with RATs and the MSM is to deal with them as with rabid animals;
• America wants conservative leaders, not RAT Lites;
• If you're RINOs, you're worse than RATs;
• If you're moderates, go slit your throats and put yourselves out of our misery;
• If you abandon your supporters, don't expect them to support you;
• If you lie to your constituencies, you'll be looking for a job when your term is up;
• You'll have the next 19 months of RATs showing their true nature; if you don't exploit it, screw you.

[DoctorDoom]

And how are you faring, gentle lady?

[Warlady]

And how are you faring, gentle lady?

Obviously better than Ann. Oh what am I thinking? Ann is fine and dandy. It's the Republican party that is smarting. What is it with us that we seem compelled to jump from the frying pan into the fire...well at least some of us do. Sometimes saying what you feel or think whenever you feel like it only feels good for the brief laugh it gets. About two seconds. The damage just isn't worth it in my estimation. I learned that from 20 years experience being a "corporate wife". Man there were times when I wanted to cut through the political bullshit and cut loose on some Dilberts... Anyway, I digress. What Ann Coulter does sometimes is hurt Republicans and the party. I adore her and her attitude but there is a time and place for everything. She being a big L Libertarian hasn't seemed to learn that the media will take her out of context and burn us all.

How are you doing my dear Doc?

[S-T]

The media is only talking about "what Ann said". For that I'd like to bitch slap her.

Fair Warlady, that is not fair. The media is going to glom on to the most controversial thing said. If the MSM didn't find something to stir up, they would have ignored the conference completely. The MSM is basically an arm of the Democrat party.

[Lubbock]

If Ann had said the sky is blue, the grass is green, and God is in His heaven, the Criminal Liberal Media would have glommed onto that statement and made it controversy.

The truth of the matter is, a Conservative can't say anything without the media making controversy of it, and the subject matter matters not.

As numerous individuals have pointed out, Ann is not in charge of anyone's campaign, she's not a member of congress, she's not in the running for a seat on the High Court. She's a columnist.

Frank Rich --Uber Liberal, is a columnist.

Has anyone checked out his rhetoric lately? Frank Rich makes Ann Coulter look absolutely tame, and no one raises a stink. No one even raises an eyebrow, much less a stink.

Praise God for Ann Coulter. If she were a man, she would clank when she walks. And the truth of the mater is, she is one of the few from the Right who has any guts at all, and that goes for candidates, campaign managers, members of congress, and those in the running for a seat on the High Court.

[Phil Osophical]

Conservative Republicans should be elated and enormously proud to have a perceptive and gracious lady in the persona of Ann Coulter who is willing to make personal financial sacrifices and has the courage and determination to fight back, turn the tables on and give Democrats a dose of their own poisonous medicine. The Democratic propaganda machine unleashes vicious, hateful, malicious, mischievous and mean-spirited attacks against white conservatives on an hourly basis. Democrats gleefully and with utter impunity besmirch and bully and intimidate conservatives by calling them racists, bigots, insensitive, intolerable, hicks, hillbillies, bumpkins, uncultured, uneducated hayseeds. With the exception of Ann Coulter, no conservative has had the courage to fire back at them. Ann is doing the bidding for all true conservatives. She is defending and standing up for all true conservatives. She alone is fighting their battles against overwhelming odds. Ann Coulter is an exceptional conservative. While all other prominent conservatives are demonstrating to the world that they are passive, cowardly little sheltered mama's boys and utterly paralyzed and intimidated by political correctness, Ann knows the value of fighting fire with fire, viciousness with viciousness, tit for tat. Whenever conservatives do nothing to defend themselves from wicked liberal lies and barrages of hateful Democratic attacks, it creates the public illusion of being guilty of all accusations.Some self-righteous "conservatives" say conservative Republicans should not "stoop to the level of Ann Coulter." This is a war to wrest control of our nation from hate-mongering Democrats. Retaliation is fully justified. Conservatives have been passive little pious wimps for much too long. Glory and victory to Ann Coulter!Take it to the streets!

[DeclinetoState]

Hillary's fake Southern accent, which arguably demeans and disparages perhaps a quarter or more of all Americans (and I'm not a Southerner), as well as Bill Maher's suggestion that Dick Cheney should die, are far more offensive than anything Ann Coulter might have said about 5-10% of the population.

[Lazarus]

But dontcha just love how Edward's campaign manager dealt with the situation... He turns to the Left, and in classic Ambulance-Chaser, Shyster fashion, tries to use the situation to raise a quick $100k, with no hint at the purpose the money will be put to...

Which, IMO, is well in keeping with the piece of white trash lawyer this man is trying to put in the Whitehouse...

I'd love to be a fly on the wall when these non-thinking, leftist radical sheep send in their contributions... I'd love to get my hands on that list of names and addresses...:D

[Pennville_Bill]

What the Tazman said.

Hear! Hear!

Me too..........

I also find it interesting, although not surprising that the MSM has been very circumspect concerning Bill Mahrer's comments wishing Vice-president Cheney dead. So typical of them: Right wing name calling is bad, but a lefty making a VP death wish is acceptable currency apparently........ I know I'm preaching to the choir here, but still I wonder if these purported word smiths can spell H-Y-P-O-C-R-I-S-Y???

[Warlady]

Hillary's fake Southern accent, which arguably demeans and disparages perhaps a quarter or more of all Americans (and I'm not a Southerner), as well as Bill Maher's suggestion that Dick Cheney should die, are far more offensive than anything Ann Coulter might have said about 5-10% of the population.

I can't argue with that but we're supposed to be better than they are. I never said what she said was offensive. It was just rude. Now she's trying to claim that what she "really" meant by using the word faggot was the same as calling him a woos. Does she really think we're that dumb? I love Ann...have read almost all of her books but she doesn't have to go out of her way to make conservatives look mean. Yeah, she's right but that doesn't make what she said okay. She has a responsibility because of her celebrity. She is a representative of the Republican party. I just wish she would clean up her language a little. She can fight the good fight without giving them ammo for no good reason is all I'm saying.

[Warlady]

If Ann had said the sky is blue, the grass is green, and God is in His heaven, the Criminal Liberal Media would have glommed onto that statement and made it controversy.

The truth of the matter is, a Conservative can't say anything without the media making controversy of it, and the subject matter matters not.

As numerous individuals have pointed out, Ann is not in charge of anyone's campaign, she's not a member of congress, she's not in the running for a seat on the High Court. She's a columnist.

Frank Rich --Uber Liberal, is a columnist.

Has anyone checked out his rhetoric lately? Frank Rich makes Ann Coulter look absolutely tame, and no one raises a stink. No one even raises an eyebrow, much less a stink.

Praise God for Ann Coulter. If she were a man, she would clank when she walks. And the truth of the mater is, she is one of the few from the Right who has any guts at all, and that goes for candidates, campaign managers, members of congress, and those in the running for a seat on the High Court.

Lubbock, CSPAN and Fox news were/are covering the CPAC conference. But instead of being able to discuss the meat of the conference (our mission, our goals and tenets) they're swamped with discussing Ann Coulter's comments. I would rather have no media coverage than this shit. I can't believe no one can get my point.

[Warlady]

And this is percieved as ugly when every democrat calls Bush a dimwit, stupid, a liar etc:? I don't think so. It is time for Republicans to let the dems have it with both barrels and damn the MSM. They trash us even when we show class so what the hell......let er riiiiiiip.

Taz, I really don't want to stoop quite to their level. Ann is one of the best sheeple sharpshooter's on the planet and she can do it without using the kind of language the left uses. She's speaking to the choir when she should be speaking to the independents. Oh hell. I give up. :smirky: :biggrin:

[nene]

Ann made the mistake of using "happy hour" language on the job. She should know better by now.

[DoctorDoom]

I concur that it was not the best arena for using the term, and it's very doubtful that Ann will do that again. The power of the RAT-arse-kissing media to blow everything totally out of proportion in order to benefit the RATs has again been made abundantly clear.

Re the $100K "Poor Breck Boy" scam, is he behind on his monthly power bill for the Chapel Hill country club that he calls home? (This is where he who insults Americans as selfish lives.)

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Like AlBore, I really don't care where or how the Breck Boy lives. However, like AlBore, it becomes a valid target when he makes public statements that expose his hypocrisy.

CHAPEL HILL, N.C. (AP) -- Democratic presidential hopeful John Edwards says Jesus would be appalled at how the United States has ignored the plight of the suffering, and that he believes children should have private time to pray at school.

Edwards, in an interview with the Web site Beliefnet.com, said Jesus would be most upset with the selfishness of Americans and the country's willingness to go to war "when it's not necessary."Edwards: Jesus Would Be 'Appalled' (http://www.breitbart.com/news/2007/03/05/D8NM9S8O2.html)

How many of our poor could be fed by the millions that he is spending for that opulent, "richer than thou" estate?

RATs make me ill.

[Suzie]

What exactly does she mean by this?

COULTER: It isn't offensive to gays. It has nothing to do with gays. It's a schoolyard taunt, meaning wuss. And unless you're telling me that John Edwards is gay, it was not applied to a gay person. SOURCE (http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,256949,00.html)Sounds to me like she is backing off of it. Have any of you ever heard that word used to describe anything other than someone being gay?

Just looking at the posts here we all know that's EXACTLY what that word is ALWAYS applied to mean.

I am with you Warlady. Good to see you posting.:)

[DeclinetoState]

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I see a lot of cleared land, meaning possible soil erosion and, in any event, trees that have probably been chopped down behind his little cottage. Does Algore know how much of a contribution the Breck Boy is making to global <del>warming</del> climate change?

[DeclinetoState]

I also count three (3) SUVs and a pickup.

[MrSanity]

The only problem I have is that Ann's remarks totally erased any other good that came out of that conference. The media is only talking about "what Ann said". For that I'd like to bitch slap her.I don't hit ladies, under any circumstance, but other than that, I agree. Does anyone even know that Mitt Romney - our most promising conservative - won in the straw poll? Shouldn't that be relevant? And what about the OTHER speeches? Of course, Tancredo's speech has been completely ignored everywhere else as far as I can tell. I'm disappointed that the "conservative media" hasn't paid any attention to him.

[MrSanity]

I see a lot of cleared land, meaning possible soil erosion and, in any event, trees that have probably been chopped down behind his little cottage. Does Algore know how much of a contribution the Breck Boy is making to global <DEL>warming</DEL> climate change?Ain't capitalism grand?

[Suzie]

I don't hit ladies, under any circumstance, but other than that, I agree. Does anyone even know that Mitt Romney - our most promising conservative - won in the straw poll? Shouldn't that be relevant? And what about the OTHER speeches? Of course, Tancredo's speech has been completely ignored everywhere else as far as I can tell. I'm disappointed that the "conservative media" hasn't paid any attention to him.

Blame Ann, they are too busy defending her to have time for anything else. As much as I love Sean Hannity he has spent a great majority of his TV and radio show trying to let her explain what she said. I turned it off. I think this is even making Sean look bad because he would normally cover all those things you are talking about if she had not done this. Now Sean feels like he has to balance the argument, and seems to be doing it by letting Ann show she doesn't even know what the word means. We all know what that word means look at the posts here, every single barb is a gay reference, and she is trying to say it isn't.

Yeah the Democrats have been doing it, and look how well they have done in the last few elections. Most people don't like this kind of stuff, and if the conservatives support this kind of stuff it's going to cost the GOP just as much as it has the dems. There are plenty of things to say about Edwards that point out why he would be a lousy president, this just looks like she can't think of any so she calls him a childish name.

[DeclinetoState]

I don't hit ladies, under any circumstance, . . .I wouldn't mind giving Ann a spankin'. I would only use my bare hand . . .

[Wyatt_Junker]

Why is this a controversy?

Edwards likes to bend from the waist down and play leap frog on Polk Street.

He looks the part, like a very real bonafide faggot.

What's all the hubbub?

Is a rock a rock?

Call things what they are.

Do not feel ashamed.


John John is a FAGGOT.

[MrSanity]

I wouldn't mind giving Ann a spankin'. I would only use my bare hand . . .Oh, well in that case!

I thought we were talking about a slap in the face!

That's what I thought a "bitchslap" was... but our English language is constantly evolving, isn't it ever? "Faggot" used to mean a pile of wood, "gay" used to mean content, and "Democrat" used to mean someone who had a little integrity.

[MrSanity]

RESPONSE TO COULTER COMMENTS
ALEXANDRIA, VA – The American Conservative Union and the Conservative Political Action Conference today issued the following statement:

The just completed 2007 Conservative Political Action Conference on March 1 – 3, 2007, was the largest in the 34 year history of the event, featuring 33 panels on a variety of public policy issues, 24 stand alone speakers including public officials, writers, student activists, media personalities and comedians.

ACU, the event’s primary sponsor and CPAC strive to provide a platform and forum for a variety of differing views and personalities. ACU and CPAC do not condone or endorse every speaker or their comments at the conference. As such, ACU and CPAC leave it to our audience to determine whether comments are appropriate or not.

Ann Coulter is known for comments that can be both provocative and outrageous. That was certainly the case in her 2007 CPAC appearance and previous ones as well. But as a point of clarification, let me make it clear that ACU and CPAC do not condone or endorse the use of hate speech,” said David A. Keene, ACU Chairman.

I think they handled the situation as best as they could have.

[Air-Warrior]

The only problem I have is that Ann's remarks totally erased any other good that came out of that conference. The media is only talking about "what Ann said". For that I'd like to bitch slap her.Blaming her for the media's predictable reaction? That's hardly reasonable...especially when contemplating smacking her.

It's a good thing she said what she said. It gives us opportunity, when libs come at us with crocodile tears, to open the can of worms all the way and lay out their party's acidic comments over the entire Bush presidency. I don't think the battle should go scoreless for our side...

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[BuckeyeMike]

Why is this a controversy?

Edwards likes to bend from the waist down and play leap frog on Polk Street.


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I wonder if he always "completes the leap"?

[Apollo5600]

Sounds to me like she is backing off of it. Have any of you ever heard that word used to describe anything other than someone being gay?

Yes, I used to call my friends in school fags all the time, I even had one long time friend I'd refer to as Fagbait. Usually it meant Homosexual, wussy, pitiful, womanly, etc. But you can be a wussy and not gay you know.

Guess that makes me a bigot...

[Federal Farmer]

Lubbock, CSPAN and Fox news were/are covering the CPAC conference. But instead of being able to discuss the meat of the conference (our mission, our goals and tenets) they're swamped with discussing Ann Coulter's comments. I would rather have no media coverage than this shit. I can't believe no one can get my point.
If it's any consolation, I do, and I agree Warlady. But then I've never been a fan of Ann anyway.

[Suzie]

Yes, I used to call my friends in school fags all the time, I even had one long time friend I'd refer to as Fagbait. Usually it meant Homosexual, wussy, pitiful, womanly, etc. But you can be a wussy and not gay you know.

Guess that makes me a bigot...


No that makes you a kid who used name calling in school. Most of us probably did that at one time or another as you say "in school". But we mature enough to tell them what really ticks us off and make a point, otherwise it's not really accomplishing anything. And as Warlady pointed out this just brings attention to nothing other than her calling him a name. I too would rather have the MSM ignore it and let the Sean Hannity types cover the good things said. But as it stands now, his show is being eat up by her trying to explain why she resorts to name calling when there are big ISSUES that Edwards supports that would make a far better and more productive point.

[DeclinetoState]

Let's remember, though, that Ann didn't explicitly call Edwards a "faggot." She used the word and his name in the same sentence, but did so in such a way that, if somebody wanted to suggest he was a homosexual, they would have to say it in their own words--or misquote her.

I think the Democrats will be over a barrel about this by the time all is said and done.

[Tazeeyore]

Warlady, I see your point but the fact is that most independents either think that Ann was on target or they believe she is malevolent. She won't change very many of them one way or the other. It is really up to our candidates to bring important policy differences to light not Ann's. But your right that she could use a little more tact.

[Suzie]

And if she used more tact she could be heard more and maybe convince people to take a better position on issues. You can say this doesn't matter all you want but the fact is the more you repel the worse it is for those you are perceived to represent. Just look at the last elections and all the mudslingers on the dem side from Michael Moore to Dan Rather. She is NOT helping get the conservative view out there because now she will be heard even less...


Papers drop Coulter column after Edwards slur (http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/media_coulter_dc;_ylt=AoDdB0dfs08SYkvbhoQjixEDW7oF ) Reuters - 1 hour, 20 minutes ago Avg. Rating: 4.7 NEW YORK (Reuters) - Three newspapers said this week they will drop Ann Coulter's column after the conservative author referred to U.S. Democratic presidential candidate John Edwards as a "faggot."

[Lubbock]

We've had this Ann Coulter food fight many, many, many times in the past, and if I live to be a hundred, I will never understand why some people believe Conservatives should just sit down, shut up and take the crap that is handed out by the Left.

I will never understand where rolling over and playing dead for the Left gets us, or where some people think it's supposed to get us.

The more you you take it on the chin --and in the teeth, and on the nose, and in the ass, and between the eyes from the Left, the more nasty they become.

I'm just glad there is one person out there with a National Voice who calls their hand and hands it back to them as good as they give.

Some people just never get enough of being abused and demonized by the Left.

I had enough of it long before Ann Couler ever became a public figure, but there wasn't anyone to call a faggot a faggot back when Ronald Reagan was being demonized and blamed for the AIDS epidemic . . .

The nasty, nasty Left deserve every word they get from Ann Coulter. It seems that she's the only one with guts enough to point out the hypocracy.

Dealing with the Left is like dealing with Muslims: the nicer you try to be to them, the bigger threat they become.

I'm tired of being hammered into PC Pussification. It's damned high time that someone got up on his or her hind legs and fought back. Give it back to them like they dish it out.

Give it to them again, Ann, and watch the wimps whine and piss and whimper and moan and cry and wet their pink lace panties.

[Suzie]

The point you are missing is that they will never hear it. If she isn't invited to events like this again. Her column is being dropped. She loses money by being less published. She "gave it" to herself because she is losing more than Edwards right now, if she had gone after him for something with substance instead of calling him a name THAT would be cutting thru the "crap" from the left, she just called him a childish name and anyone can do that. It doesn't point out anything.

[Timberwolf]

Pointing out the ridiculous by BEING ridiculous...or is the BreckBoy REALLY queer? She's not losing a thing...if anything, she's endeared herself even more to those who like her.

She once said (paraphrase), "We need to be nice to those who want to kill us, because if we make them mad, they'll want to kill us?" Same logic she was applying to muzzies applies to liberals. They ALREADY hate us...what are they gonna do, hate us MORE? Like I care.

I've been on the receiving end of a liberal diatribe. Did *I* sit there and take it? Not on your life. By the time I got done with the dizzy bitch, her head was spinning. One does not give an inch with these brain damaged twits. To do so only emboldens them.

Kick their butts, Annie...so they have to wear their sphincters like a hat.

[Suzie]

I don't think he said anything at all about her one way or the other. Is she just picking random liberals to make comments about? If so that goes back to the maturity issue. She's lost advertising, she's lost 3 sources of publication and that equals a loss of income.

[Timberwolf]

The Mountain Press in Sevierville, Tennessee, The Oakland Press in Michigan and the Lancaster New Era in Pennsylvania said they would stop running Coulter's syndicated column because of the comment she made last week.
If we were talking about the Wall Street Journal, National Review, Washington Times and the NY Post, you'd have a point.

[Suzie]

And what has it done to really stick it to Edwards? What has he lost in this? All of the press on this has focused on her, just as Warlady said. This made no gains for conservatives and Edwards is out nothing ... so why? There were more important things that could have been covered from that meeting than helping Ann Coulter sell books to people who probably would have bought them anyway.

[Timberwolf]

She wasn't attempting to "stick it" to anybody...she was exposing the ridiculousness of the PC DBM...and, right on cue, the DBM blew it out of proportion.

[d'urville]

Those three newspapers are caving into pressure from Soros-fronted groups:

Gay-Rights Group Now Targeting Individual Coulter Clients

March 08, 2007
NEW YORK The Human Rights Campaign — which claims to be the largest civil rights organization working for gay equality — says more than 20,000 people have written Universal Press Syndicate since the HRC Tuesday night launched a letter-writing campaign criticizing Ann Coulter’s use of the word “faggot” in a Friday speech.

Now, the HRC is urging people to contact individual newspapers that run Coulter’s column. The new campaign was announced late Wednesday afternoon.

Universal distributes Coulter’s column to about 100 papers. E&P reported Wednesday that two more dailies have dropped Coulter, bringing to at least three the total for the week. But Universal says it has no plans to end its relationship with the columnist.


http://www.sweetness-light.com/archive/gay-rights-group-seeks-to-silence-coulter-ban-her-column

This is a predicitable reaction from the left - suppression from their allies in the MSM. That'll be end up being ineffective, too.

They don't understand or care to understand how syndication works, but I'm sure Ann Coulter appreciates the extra publicity.

[Apollo5600]

I seem to remember these series of events occuring to Ann before... Yet, she's still here... Hmmmmmmm.

[Reagan4Life]

The problem with coulter is that not just MSM, but potential converts to the conservative cause are going to miss the real guts of the matter, because its all about Ann, Ann, and Ann, not the underlying issues. She is doing more to further her own ego, rather than help the rest of us rescue this country from the grips of the liberals.

[MrSanity]

While I think Coulter's little joke was juvenile, it was almost as inappropriate as John Edwards putting the spotlight on Mary Cheney during the 2004 Vice Presidential Debate, just for being a lesbian.

If anything, Edwards got "Cheneyed."

[MrSanity]

COULTER: I give a lot of speeches out in America, I frequently visit America, and Americans are pretty freaked out about somebody going to rehab for using a word, and that's of course what I was referring to. And I don't think there's anything offensive about any variation of faggy, faggotry, faggot, fag. It's a schoolyard taunt. It means -- it means wussy. It means, you know, Hillary giving a speech in a fake Southern drawl -- that's faggy. A trial lawyer who weeps before juries is faggy. Lifetime-type TV, faggy. Everyone understood I was not literally calling -- well, I was not calling -- well, for one thing, I wasn't calling John Edwards anything. That was the whole point. I couldn't talk about him, his life's work, his appeasement policies, his wimpiness on foreign policy, because that word is out of bounds. So, in point of fact, I called John Edwards nothing. I said I couldn't even discuss him because using any variation of that totally excellent word would send me into rehab.

[...]

HANNITY: Let me ask this, Ann, in this regard: If other people interpret that word differently -- so, for example, they view it, well, that's a taunt against the gay lifestyle. That's how they view it. And they're saying, all right, well, Ann Coulter is --

COULTER: Well, the thing is -- one is, yes, it can be used that way, I gather that's the way Isaiah Washington used it, That, I think, is an incorrect of the word -- use of the word. I still don't think you should be sent to rehab for it. But no one thinks that's what I was saying. I was talking about the Democrats, that I couldn't discuss them without using the word, everyone knows, and John Edwards particularly with the whole two Americas --

[Lubbock]

The problem with coulter is that not just MSM, but potential converts to the conservative cause are going to miss the real guts of the matter, because its all about Ann, Ann, and Ann, not the underlying issues. She is doing more to further her own ego, rather than help the rest of us rescue this country from the grips of the liberals.

Horse hockey!

Until Conservatives find their danglies, the country will not be rescued, and as long as Conservatives who have a National Voice continue to buy into the bullcorn that we can play nice with the Libs and make them love us, the country will remain unrecued.

And we will continue to have our speech censored. If we keep going, at this rate, the Libs will publish a list of words every January 1 that will send us to jail if used outside the confines of our own homes.

Faggot will be one of those words.

How much longer are you going to allow the Libs to dictate your speech?

How far are you willing to go to play nice, trying to make the Libs love you.

[Timberwolf]

Danglies?? http://www.freeconservatives.com/vb/images/icons/biglaugh.gif Perfect!! :thumb:

Now, if Edwards HAD any, he wouldn't be such a fag!! LOL

Wonderful rebuttal, Lubbock...got me in stitches!!

[Suzie]

The problem with coulter is that not just MSM, but potential converts to the conservative cause are going to miss the real guts of the matter, because its all about Ann, Ann, and Ann, not the underlying issues. She is doing more to further her own ego, rather than help the rest of us rescue this country from the grips of the liberals.

That doesn't sell books though, being a public spectacle does. Trash talk is big money, when you are trying to get people pay you to hear what you think. If it doesn't matter to conservatives that she trampled all the good speeches that day, and they don't care about losing the country to liberals as long as someone gets in a good swipe to giggle at a candidate, even if it has nothing to do with their issues or their abilities, the GOP is going to lose and lose big, because it's the problem the dems have had the past several years. They like the personal attack and getting the media to feed off of them, but it sure doesn't get them elected. Now the conservatives supporting her must think it has worked so well for them losing in all the recent elections why don't we give it a try and see how badly we can lose.

I see why you chose your name, boy do I miss the Reagan years.

[Maggie_T]

Obviously better than Ann. Oh what am I thinking? Ann is fine and dandy. It's the Republican party that is smarting. What is it with us that we seem compelled to jump from the frying pan into the fire...well at least some of us do. Sometimes saying what you feel or think whenever you feel like it only feels good for the brief laugh it gets. About two seconds. The damage just isn't worth it in my estimation. I learned that from 20 years experience being a "corporate wife". Man there were times when I wanted to cut through the political bullshit and cut loose on some Dilberts... Anyway, I digress. What Ann Coulter does sometimes is hurt Republicans and the party. I adore her and her attitude but there is a time and place for everything. She being a big L Libertarian hasn't seemed to learn that the media will take her out of context and burn us all.



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I can't argue with that but we're supposed to be better than they are. I never said what she said was offensive. It was just rude. Now she's trying to claim that what she "really" meant by using the word faggot was the same as calling him a woos. Does she really think we're that dumb? I love Ann...have read almost all of her books but she doesn't have to go out of her way to make conservatives look mean. Yeah, she's right but that doesn't make what she said okay. She has a responsibility because of her celebrity. She is a representative of the Republican party. I just wish she would clean up her language a little. She can fight the good fight without giving them ammo for no good reason is all I'm saying.

Warlady, welcome back. :wave: So good to have you back.


My dear, you know I love you to death and agree with you 99% of the time.

But this time I strongly disagree with you, and others here who turned on Ann.

In the first place, it is nor surprising to me that Ann stole the show at CPAC. It was not her fault. In spite of her allegedly over-the-top remarks, she was a much more interesting figure than any of the candidates. The Republican party has been shooting itself in the foot since 2004. If someone has an acceptable explanation for that, I'm all ears. But DON'T blame Ann for Republicans' dismal performance of late, which has been infuriating 'pub voters, feeling which the CPAC may have failed to dispell.

I shouldn't opine since I was not there. But it occurs to me that maybe what Ann said was much more interesting than the unconvincing prattle of the candidates, if what they had to say resembled anything I've been hearing lately.

For the record, I'm not going to start arguing the merits - or lack thereof - of the different candidates. That is the subject of a separate thread.

But I am dismayed at the GOP. I cannot believe it is actually encouraging candidates like John McCain and Rudy Giuliani. Unless the jokers at the GOP come up with a genuine, real, no-nonsense conservative candidate, I'm voting Constitution Party in 2008.


In the second place, I am sick to death of hearing how we are "supposed to be better than they." Oh, yeah, and it's paid handsomely, hasn't it. :flame:

Now if letting demunists get away with giving you a bloody nose day in, day out, "because we are better than they," makes you feel virtuous and superior, well, what can I say. To each his own. Or like Barnaum said "There's one born every minute."

Personally, I'm done playing nice to demunists. I'm done "being better than they." What has that solved? Did it make demunists respect us more? No. Has it improved the tone of the political debate? No. Will it? No. And if anyone here believes the opposite, I'll have what you're having.

Ann Coulter is the only person who is willing to put up a fight, to give liberals a taste of their own medicine. Look at our elected officials' performance of late. Bending over backwards to appease the press and their demunist counterparts. Yes, that's exactly what they've been doing, including the president. You want to excoricate me for saying that? Be my guest. Ban me, if that makes you feel better. It won't stop it from being the truth.

I am disgusted and appalled at the way conservatives have turned on Ann. Hugh Hewitt, whom I used to love, now wants Ann to be forbidden from speaking at colleges. He must know that that is one of the ways she makes a living. And yet, he wants to deprive her of that because of the hysteria the media created over Ann's remark. Hey, with censorious conservatives like that, who the bloody hell needs liberals. :flame:

Michelle Malkin, who wrote a book about the way she is persecuted and insulted by liberals, reacted almost like Rosie O'Donnell.

The only one who stuck with Ann is Mike Gallagher and for that, he has my gratitude and respect. AND that of his thousands of listeners, I may add. Yesterday, he read some of the e-mails he got from his audience, including one from a homosexual who said he thought Ann's remark was funny, and all the fuss was much ado about nothing. Everyone was thanking Gallagher for standing behind Ann.

While Republicans are busy "being better" than liberals (and getting their ass kicked for their trouble), voters all over the country are bloody fed up with that silly, pretentious attitude. They want someone to stand up to liberals and give them a taste of their own medicine. Instead, they get a blue-nosed, tight-assed, holier-than-thou attitude from their elected officials and fellow-voters. No wonder they love Ann!

As long as this country has to suffer scum like Bill Maher, Ted Rall, Howard Dean, Ted Kennedy, Al Franken, Michael Moore, Janeane Garofalo, Julianne Malveaux, etc. getting away with insulting conservatives and wishing their death (out loud), I will continue to defend, support, and encourage Ann Coulter.

You can all put your nose up and sniff in disapproval, if you want. You might as well get your kicks while you can, because the "satisfaction" of being "better than liberals" just might be the only thing left to you, and sooner than you think, too. Enjoy, I say. But DON'T expect me to agree.

And don't come back to me with the lame "Do you want to be like them?" idiocy. Like parents trying to scare a kid into behaving herself. I've heard that tiresome argument a milllion times, and I was unconvinced every time.

I'm afraid I may have offended some of my fellow Freecers with my post, including my dear friend of years, Warlady. Well, all I can do is say I'm sorry. But I won't change my mind because I feel very strongly about this.

I'll quote Mike Gallagher when he said "I'm not going to cave with the rest of the weenie liberals and pompous conservatives who like to eat their own. I think Ann Coulter is gutsy and terrific. Besides, she's a commentator, not a U.S. Senator."

Good night.

[BuckeyeMike]

You go Magster.....I ran outta cheeks a long, loooonng time ago too!

[noncom]

I know it's always evil to try and analyze liberal hatred, but stop and THINK about this for a second:

Why is "faggot" an evil word in the first place?

Because it is insufficiently reverential toward a particular sexual fetish?

Michelle Malkin threw a snit fit because the term "faggot" is inappropriate to use around children. Well, think about it, why SHOULD we use a term that makes homosexual anal sex fetishists more appealing to children? Calling the homosexual fetish "gay" is basically the same thing as calling it "super happy fun time." It begs the questions that all good liberals want children to ask.

And when an evil sinner uses a word that makes homosexual fetishism sound like something DIRTY?

PERISH THE THOUGHT!

The sky darkens, the Heavens quake, and a giant hole opens up to swallow the evil sinner into the bowels of the earth -- never to be seen or heard from again. This isn't just run of the mill Political Correctness; it's Dante's Inferno and the Crucible rolled into one.

[Timberwolf]

Maggie...rock on! :thumb:

I, too, am fed up with "that silly, pretentious attitude"...have been for some time.

You post is one for the archives...I truly hope you cut & paste it (with a few edits for context) into an email and send it to the RNC, so they know where you stand.

[DoctorDoom]

I'll quote Mike Gallagher when he said "I'm not going to cave with the rest of the weenie liberals and pompous conservatives who like to eat their own. I think Ann Coulter is gutsy and terrific. Besides, she's a commentator, not a U.S. Senator."Yep, it does restrict her. Were she a liberal politician:

And then there’s Rumsfeld who said of Iraq “We have our good days and our bad days.” We should put this S.O.B. up against a wall and say “This is one of our bad days” and pull the trigger.
-- Members of the St. Petersburg Democratic Club

He’s one more mistake away from not having any kneecaps.
-- James Carville on Ken Starr

I hate the Republicans and everything they stand for . . .
-- Howard Dean

Davis and the Jews, No Good for the Black Belt
-- Alabama Democratic congressional incumbent Earl Hilliard, on challenger, Artur Davis

Even the most-jaded political watchers have been stunned by the level of raw viciousness unleashed by Democrats against sitting Connecticut Governor John G. Rowland.

"Death to the prince of darkness!" the invocation speaker publicly declared at the state's recent Democratic Convention.

"In fact, I know things about him that I don't choose to bring out in public today, that I have observed with my own eyes. He is a snake!" the speaker said of Rowland.'DEATH TO THE PRINCE OF DARKNESS!' (http://www.papillonsartpalace.com/deatDhto.htm)

"Renee Mullins (voice over): I’m Renee Mullins, James Byrd’s daughter. On June 7, 1998 in Texas my father was killed. He was beaten, chained, and then dragged 3 miles to his death, all because he was black. So when Governor George W. Bush refused to support hate-crime legislation, it was like my father was killed all over again. Call Governor George W. Bush and tell him to support hate-crime legislation. We won’t be dragged away from our future."
-- NAACP National Voter Fund

"Byrd Vote-TV" - 30 sec. TV spot run in AR, GA, IL, KY, MI, MO, NJ, OH, PA and WI starting Oct. 25, 2000.

"I’m Renee Mullins. My father was James Byrd, Jr. I still have nightmares thinking about him, the day three men chained him behind their pickup truck and dragged him three miles over pavement. I can see skin being torn away from his body. I can hear him gasping for air. I can feel the tears in his eyes, the struggle of his brain as images of his life painfully bang through his head as the links of a heavy chain clinched around his ankles dragging him bump by bump until he was decapitated. [pause]

"On June 7, 1998 this happened to my father, all because he was black. I went to Governor George W. Bush and begged him to help pass a hate crimes bill. He just told me no. I'm doing this commercial to ask you to call Governor Bush at 512-X and tell him to introduce a hate crimes bill in Texas. Let him know that our community won't be dragged down by hate crimes.
-- Male Voice: Funded by Americans for Equality, a project of the NAACP National Voter Fund.NAACP-NVF Ad "Byrd Vote-T.V." Oct. 2000 (http://www.gwu.edu/~action/ads2/adnaacp.html)

WASHINGTON –– Click on a Democratic National Committee Web site and watch an animated image of President Bush pushing a wheelchair-bound individual off a cliff.

Not once, but twice.

Designed as a combination attack on Social Security and fund-raising appeal, the cartoon says, "Bush and Republicans still want to push their privatization plans through Congress." The narration is audible above the noise of a woman shrieking in horror as her wheelchair crashes.

Republicans, who deny they favor privatizing Social Security, swiftly attacked the move by Democrats.

"Democrats typically resort to scaring seniors through half-truths and outright lies in an election year, but creating videos that depict the President rolling wheelchair-confined seniors off of cliffs is absolutely reprehensible, even for them," said Rep. Tom Davis, R-Va., chairman of the House GOP campaign committee.

A spokesman for the Democratic National Committee, Bill Buck, called the cartoon a "humorous take on a serious issue."

Another official, Maria Cardona, said it "absolutely" would remain on the Web site. "The truth hurts," she said of the GOP.Congress Campaigning With Cartoons (http://www.papillonsartpalace.com/demoHScrat.htm)

Rumsfeld should be shot to death. Kenneth Starr should have had his kneecaps shattered. Dean hates Republicans just because they're Republicans. Earl Hilliard is anti-Semitic. CT governor Rowland is a demon and a snake who needs to be killed. And George W. Bush supported lynching of blacks and kills the elderly.

Still, I have to admit that they didn't say "faggot".

[DoctorDoom]

Do they hang low? (http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v349/DocDoom777/Videos/?action=view&current=HANG-LOW.flv)

[Federal Farmer]

From my perspective it is not about being better then them, it is about the nature of the beast. Progressives and socialists are demagogues; demagogues have always and always will shrill and shout and appeal to the masses' emotions and prejudices. Conservatives appeal with sound argument. As Russell Kirk put it at the beginning of The Conservative Mind, the book that helped begin the modern American conservative movement, "Edmund Burke, the greatest of modern conservative thinkers, was not ashamed to acknowledge the allegiance of humble men whose sureties are prejudice and prescription; for, with affection, he likened them to cattle under the English oaks, deaf to the insects of radical innovation. But the conservative principle has been defended, these past two centuries, by men of learning and genius."

One can imagine Burke quietly reflecting upon and then writing Reflections on the Revolution in France when a couple of years later those who made the revolution would put one another to the guillotine in France. Both prophetic and humorous from my perspective. And revealing of the true nature of the beast, stripped of all its fur.

As far as Ann Coulter being the only one out there fighting, she, a creation of the media, fights other media creations. The MSM is about nothing but ratings which are gotten through being the "best" at entertaining. And entertaining it is as I get at least one good belly laugh a day from the MSM. Those fighting at the grass-roots level trying to proselytize others, those working in campaigns, those fighting in courts; from my perspective, these are the ones fighting for the conservative perspective.

[Maggie_T]

Maggie...rock on! :thumb:

I, too, am fed up with "that silly, pretentious attitude"...have been for some time.

You post is one for the archives...I truly hope you cut & paste it (with a few edits for context) into an email and send it to the RNC, so they know where you stand.


You know, wolfie, I just might to that. ;)

Farmer, you are being extremely unfair to Ann Coulter as well as to all the conservative talk show hosts out there. They fight as good a fight as the grassroot people. They send out a message that was all but unknown in times when the MSM had the monopoly of the news. Rush did a lot for the conservative movement, as do Sean Hannity, Mike Gallagher, Laura Ingraham, and so many others.

If they were not effective, the demunists would not be so desperate to pass the Fairness Act farce. But they are. Think about that.

[noncom]

... I am sick to death of hearing how we are "supposed to be better than they." Oh, yeah, and it's paid handsomely, hasn't it. :flame:

Now if letting demunists get away with giving you a bloody nose day in, day out, "because we are better than they," makes you feel virtuous and superior, well, what can I say. To each his own. Or like Barnaum said "There's one born every minute."

Personally, I'm done playing nice to demunists. I'm done "being better than they." What has that solved? Did it make demunists respect us more? No. Has it improved the tone of the political debate? No. Will it? No....
Always being "nice" regardless of the opposition's tactics isn't a sign of maturity; it's a sign of cowardice.

Using personal insults against liberals is like using violence against terrorists: When someone only understands one language, then that's the only one the rational person ever uses in response.

Liberals publically pride themselves on rejecting reason and making decisions based solely on their feelings. So to liberals, ALL arguments are ALWAYS personal; there can never be any other kind - ever. And trying to have a logical argument with an illogical opponent is like trying to teach a cat to scuba dive by giving it written instructions -- the goal is inherently inimical to their nature, and the medium is utterly incomprehensible to them. All you'll get for your effort is some very well-deserved abuse.

In other words: it is impossible to argue with liberals; all you can ever do is make fun of them - and Ann Coulter does that as well as anyone I know of.

[Suzie]

Using personal insults against liberals is like using violence against terrorists: When someone only understands one language, then that's the only one the rational person ever uses in response.

I agree with you on that. Only problem with that is she wasn't responding to anything, Edwards wasn't arguing with her, he wasn't even there ... nor was she responding to anything he said.

[Air-Warrior]

The problem with coulter is that not just MSM, but potential converts to the conservative cause are going to miss the real guts of the matter, because its all about Ann, Ann, and Ann, not the underlying issues. She is doing more to further her own ego, rather than help the rest of us rescue this country from the grips of the liberals.Seriously though,

Who wants MORE pantywaist conservatives in the party? :listen:

Those that lack spine or the ability to scoff at the opposition in total disdain? :listen:

If "converts" are at a sticking point because of "Annie-get-yer-gun's" fortitude...they can just stay in limpwrist land and be counted among the enemy. :limp:

[noncom]

I agree with you on that. Only problem with that is she wasn't responding to anything, Edwards wasn't arguing with her, he wasn't even there ... nor was she responding to anything he said.
About half of the point of the conference was to set an agenda and work on our own machinery -- the other half was talking about and responding to the what the left is doing and saying.

I know the TV has told us - hundreds of times by now - that this comment was the ONLY thing that Ann Coulter said at the conference. But that's probably not true, is it?

And, besides, what if that actually were true anyway? Should the fact that this was a jibe among friends make it somehow MORE subject to Politically Correct censure than if it had been shouted into his face?

If that's the attidude that some conservatives are taking now, then I'll quit listening to (and, more importantly, talking to) everyone who feels that way and hunt for Ann Coulter on pirate radio if I have to.

[Suzie]

You just made Warlady's point. There is a REASON that's all we heard about this meeting and it's because of Ann. There were good speeches made that day, and even we conservatives who WANT to hear what they had to say aren't hearing it because of this. Edwards has a lot of problems and if she had actually made a point about one of them you can bet the media wouldn't have picked it up. Ann herself calls this a "school yard taunt", yeah well there is a time and place for everything, and we are missing the things we do want to hear from this all for one word she knew wouldn't help make any points or address any issues for liberals OR conservatives ... but it might help her sell books, but that wasn't the point of this meeting now was it?

[Air-Warrior]

You just made Warlady's point. There is a REASON that's all we heard about this meeting and it's because of Ann. There were good speeches made that day, and even we conservatives who WANT to hear what they had to say aren't hearing it because of this. Edwards has a lot of problems and if she had actually made a point about one of them you can bet the media wouldn't have picked it up. Ann herself calls this a "school yard taunt", yeah well there is a time and place for everything, and we are missing the things we do want to hear from this all for one word she knew wouldn't help make any points or address any issues for liberals OR conservatives ... but it might help her sell books, but that wasn't the point of this meeting now was it?Wouldn't have mattered if she hadn't even shown up. Were you somehow expecting a favorable coverage from the news networks?

[Suzie]

Wouldn't have mattered if she hadn't even shown up. Were you somehow expecting a favorable coverage from the news networks?

No, but Sean Hannity and some others would have covered it. Instead we got gobs of his show eat up by Ann trying to explain to us what the word faggot means.

[Maggie_T]

Oh, come on, Suzie. The media only covered what Ann said because they would NOT cover the "good things" that the candidates had to say.

I know, I know. You're going to tell me that if Ann had kept her pie shut, none of this would have happened. I disagree. They would have looked - AND found - the fly in the ointment anyway. They would have gone and twisted the candidates' words to mean something bad. This is the DRIVE-BY MEDIA, in case you have forgotten.

Whatever Ann would have said would have been used against her.

No. The only problem here is that the usual Coulterphobes on the left went after her because they hate her, and the Coulterphobes on the right played right into the hands of those on the left by tearing their clothes and messing their hair, and tearing Ann a new one, instead of pooh-poohing it, as liberals would have done had the shoe been on the other foot.

The problem is that too many conservatives go to their mirror mirror on the wall every day, to hear how they are better than them all. It's all vanity, you know. "I am so nice. I am so decent. I am so much better than liberals." And while they preen in front of their mirror on the wall, conservative voters clamor for a leader that will have the onions to fight back.

Don't force me to say that some conservatives are as capable of being Pharisees as liberals are. Please.

[DeclinetoState]

I have to agree with Maggie on this one. The conservative conference would have gotten maybe thirty seconds of time on the evening newscasts if Ann had not spouted off about Edwards (unless someone else said something that could be interpreted as equally or nearly equally outrageous). If conservatives say something positive, they're ignored. If they say something negative or controversial, it's all over the news.

:(

[Suzie]

Well Warlady hit it spot on with her post and she has this site to support the conservative view. She certainly knows her stuff.

[Air-Warrior]

No, but Sean Hannity and some others would have covered it. Instead we got gobs of his show eat up by Ann trying to explain to us what the word faggot means.That's weakness on their part. Thanks for reminding me what a weenie Sean Hannity is (and a Giulianni stooge).

[Air-Warrior]

I know it's always evil to try and analyze liberal hatred, but stop and THINK about this for a second:

Why is "faggot" an evil word in the first place?

Because it is insufficiently reverential toward a particular sexual fetish?

Michelle Malkin threw a snit fit because the term "faggot" is inappropriate to use around children. Well, think about it, why SHOULD we use a term that makes homosexual anal sex fetishists more appealing to children? Calling the homosexual fetish "gay" is basically the same thing as calling it "super happy fun time." It begs the questions that all good liberals want children to ask.

And when an evil sinner uses a word that makes homosexual fetishism sound like something DIRTY?

PERISH THE THOUGHT!

The sky darkens, the Heavens quake, and a giant hole opens up to swallow the evil sinner into the bowels of the earth -- never to be seen or heard from again. This isn't just run of the mill Political Correctness; it's Dante's Inferno and the Crucible rolled into one.:claps:

You're the same noncom from the old Protest Warrior forum?

[Suzie]

That's weakness on their part. Thanks for reminding me what a weenie Sean Hannity is (and a Giulianni stooge).

After giving her air time for this I have to agree with you, it really makes him look bad.

[Maggie_T]

Suzie, take a deep breath. Your hatred of Ann makes that of liberals' pale in comparison.

And I hate to tell you this, but you are in a very small minority.

[noncom]

There is a REASON that's all we heard about this meeting and it's because of Ann.
Ann Coulter is precisely as responsible for creating modern Political Correctness and the rabid media circus surrounding her remark as the Dutch newspaper was responsible for the bombings their Allah cartoons "caused."

We are all subject in one degree or another to propaganda.

Of course we all "know" that anyone who utters the word faggot in public is evil. But WHY do we know that?

Ann Coulter didn't create that feeling in us. Ann Coulter has not forced anyone to feel anything. All she has done is given us a choice: we have an opportunity for reflection on the REASON we feel the way we feel about a word;

...or we can simply turn our minds off and revel in the warmth of the vitriol someone else has spent years building up inside our hindbrains - and join in the comraderie of the mob.

Now you say that the more people who jump on the bandwagon to criticize Ann Coulter, the more that proves how incredibly awful she is. That kind of thought can only travel in one direction down a very narrow path.

This is a terrific indulgence: the more angry people get, the more that justifies each person's hatred.

It's easy to understand why people would want to feel that way, but there is no possible reason to hold Ann Coulter responsible for the mob's "logic."

[Suzie]

Obviously better than Ann. Oh what am I thinking? Ann is fine and dandy. It's the Republican party that is smarting. What is it with us that we seem compelled to jump from the frying pan into the fire...well at least some of us do. Sometimes saying what you feel or think whenever you feel like it only feels good for the brief laugh it gets. About two seconds. The damage just isn't worth it in my estimation. I learned that from 20 years experience being a "corporate wife". Man there were times when I wanted to cut through the political bullshit and cut loose on some Dilberts... Anyway, I digress. What Ann Coulter does sometimes is hurt Republicans and the party. I adore her and her attitude but there is a time and place for everything. She being a big L Libertarian hasn't seemed to learn that the media will take her out of context and burn us all.

How are you doing my dear Doc?

That pretty much sums it up for me too. Maybe it's because I have grown up military my whole life and you have to be able to deal with even the idiots in a civil manner or everything fails. Publicly you make a point if you have an argument.

[Maggie_T]

Noncom, you make perfect sense. Unfortunately, Ann is hated as much by liberals as she is hated by some people in the GOP. Both groups suffer from an incurable case of Brahmin Complex: they are too perfect, too superior, too patrician to tolerate those who like to call things by their proper name.

[Maggie_T]

That pretty much sums it up for me too. Maybe it's because I have grown up military my whole life and you have to be able to deal with even the idiots in a civil manner or ...

... or maybe growing up military only taught you to take orders without question or thought.

[Suzie]

... or maybe growing up military only taught you to take orders without question or thought.

Wow, is that what you think of our military?

[Maggie_T]

No. That's what I think of you.

[noncom]

I have to agree with Maggie on this one. The conservative conference would have gotten maybe thirty seconds of time on the evening newscasts if Ann had not spouted off about Edwards (unless someone else said something that could be interpreted as equally or nearly equally outrageous). If conservatives say something positive, they're ignored. If they say something negative or controversial, it's all over the news.
That's the media for you: damned if you're a conservative; damned if you're not a liberal. And that's somehow Ann Coulter's fault? Yeah, I'm just not buying it.

Did anybody see the new South Park this week? The media is trying to turn Ann Coulter into "that faggot girl." Since she's now an abused minority, she should be entitled to federal legislation to protect her from that kind of hateful and insulting language.

[Suzie]

Gee wonder who I am getting my orders from in one post I am in a "very small minority" you would think I would be jumping on the majority bandwagon here since I am not capable of "thinking for myself".

[Maggie_T]

Oh, for crying out loud, Suze. Get over yourself.

You deserved my comment. You made a deliberate attempt at twisting my words into a slur against our military and I was NOT going to let you get away with it.

This is all old news. Big Bad Ann has been excoricated by everyone and sunder. She won't scare you anymore.

Jeez.

[USPatriot8320]

She's been dropped by atleast 4 newspapers, and lost quite a chunk of change in advertising already.

[Maggie_T]

I bet. Death by censorship. And liberals excel at that sort of thing.

Now, if Rosie O'Donnell had said something along those lines about a conservative, liberals would have pooh-poohed it and screeched about her freedom of speech.

[MrSanity]

She's been dropped by atleast 4 newspapers, and lost quite a chunk of change in advertising already.Oh, she'll be back.

Somehow she's been able to survive much worse than this one.

[noncom]

This is all old news. Big Bad Ann has been excoricated by everyone and sunder. She won't scare you anymore.
People with short attention spans were lucky to remember the one word that Ann Coulter used, let alone the entire sentence. She said that using the word "faggot" requires you to go into rehab.

Sadly, the issue of whether Political Incorrectness is officially classified as a mental illness in the United States of America today has now become a moot point. The only question remaining is what it will take to cure Ann Coulter of the horrible affliction which is so virulent (and potentially contagious) that she can no longer be allowed out in public.

We should get a poll going. I'm guessing the amount of grey matter they'll have to labotomize to make Ann Coulter "civil" enough to discuss politics on television would be enough to make up three smarter-than-average liberals.

[MrSanity]

Of Hate-Speech and Hypocrisy
By Patrick Goodenough
CNSNews.com Commentary
March 09, 2007

(Contains language that may be offensive to some readers.)

(CNSNews.com) - The left-wing Daily Kos blog has been driving a campaign to have companies pull ads from Ann Coulter's website after the conservative author used a slur in a recent speech, but leftist websites -- including Daily Kos -- have themselves used the offending word in the past.

Daily Kos postings have included the word "faggot" at least three times in recent years, as have other liberal blogs -- without apology, and without generating a furor.

[...]

Daily Kos itself has not shied away from the word. Nor has it removed postings that use it. Examples include:


a headline reading (http://www.cybercastnewsservice.org/cns/photo/2007/kos1.jpg): "Democrats and the faggot problem."
a headline asking (http://www.cybercastnewsservice.org/cns/photo/2007/kos5.jpg): "Who invited the little faggot?"
a headline reading (http://www.cybercastnewsservice.org/cns/photo/2007/kos6.jpg): "When is a faggot just a bundle of sticks?" (That posting goes on to ask, "What's up with the little sly gay jokes? Hmm? As I read the comments in discussions on DKos, there are times when I almost have to check and see if I accidentally stumbled into a Wingnut [right-wing] blog.")[...]

Bloggers aren't the only liberals to use the slur.

In 2003, Howard Dean's campaign manager was reported to have written a letter (http://www.outsports.com/forums/lofiversion/index.php/t11178.html) to the presidential campaign of fellow Democrat and rival Dick Gephardt, complaining that a member of the Gephardt team had called a Dean staffer a "faggot."They won't make the news anywhere else, so I might as well make it heard here.

http://www.cnsnews.com/ViewCommentary.asp?Page=/Commentary/archive/200703/COM20070309a.html

[Republican_Legion]

I'm not a big fan of calling people vulgar words but fag or faggot has become more used despite the acceptance of gay people.
I've heard gay people who have called someone a fag or used the word gay to describe something that got messed up.

The usage of the word among teens from my experience is to call someone a Fag who you know isnt gay but as a way of pointing out their stupidity or for being lame.

When a person says "Stop being a dick and get me my coffee" they are not refering to other 2 meanings of the word. Same thing goes for when you call something gay.

Anne Coulter imo should be more careful with her choice of words.
I think people are just overeacting to the whole thing.

[Federal Farmer]

Farmer, you are being extremely unfair to Ann Coulter as well as to all the conservative talk show hosts out there. They fight as good a fight as the grassroot people. They send out a message that was all but unknown in times when the MSM had the monopoly of the news. Rush did a lot for the conservative movement, as do Sean Hannity, Mike Gallagher, Laura Ingraham, and so many others.

If they were not effective, the demunists would not be so desperate to pass the Fairness Act farce. But they are. Think about that.
Maggie, the people I speak of helped build the movement and get Ronald Reagan into the White House; in those days people were being proselytized hence the Reagan Democrats, and without talk radio. I don't see new converts coming to the movement through what I perceive to be those who preach to the choir. From my perspective, success in getting the message out equals converts, and for lack of which I don't see conservatism winning in the political sphere, but rather having become stagnant; cases in point, is the federal government larger or smaller than it was in 1980? Has the equilibrium between the states and the federal government, built into the Constitution by the Founders, been restored? And these are the ideas that conservatives have preached for decades, certainly Reagan preached smaller government; but the answer to both questions is no. So where is the disconnect? Is it only that party politics now has the Republicans competing with the socialists for votes through offering bigger cradle to grave government? Or is it that the people look evermore to the federal government to "fix" things? I think its a little of both.

As F. A. Hayek put it, "But, as the socialists have for a long time been able to pull harder, the conservatives have tended to follow the socialist rather than the liberal direction and have adopted at appropriate intervals of time those ideas made respectable by radical propaganda," understanding "liberal" in the old sense. People can say whatever they wish on talk radio, but when they get off their cell phones, get out of their cars, and walk into the house what do they do? Ask Uncle Sam to fix it and the Republicans compete with the socialists to offer the "fix" at those "appropriate intervals" as Hayek put it. How effective then are conservatives in getting the message out? Case in point, a coworker came into my office after listening to Glen Beck and said "Yea, what we need is someone in the White House who can straighten this country out." I replied by saying no, that was not conservative thinking. Conservatives look to local institutions for most things that affect their daily lives; let the president have his foreign policy, Congress its military spending bill, and the Supreme Court sit and twiddle their thumbs until they die; leave the things that affect our daily lives to state, local, and private institutions. He got the point I was making, but why not prior? My suggestion is always that they turn off their radios and televisions and read some Kirk, Nisbet, Ropke, etc. Sometimes the light really does comes on.

Am I glad conservative talk radio exists? Certainly. Am I against most of the ideas that are implicit in Ann Coulter's message? Certainly not. But I think she'd do better work for the movement putting her law degree to use at the Center for Individual Rights and/or the Federalist Society, both of which she once did.

Where the "Fairness" Act is concerned, demagogues by their very nature are reactionary, the effectiveness of the message of their foes being irrelevant to the need of their "reactionary psychological makeup" to respond even if their foes' message is but a whimper. In the early days of this Republic the fight between nationalists and state rightists led to the nationalists getting the Alien and Sedition Acts passed. Never mind that the voices of the state rightists were already a whimper in comparison to the din of the nationalists. The Democrats who wish for this measure therein show their demagoguery. It is the nature of the beast.

Edit: in so far as using the word "faggot" I don't have a problem with it. I use that or "queer". I think they are more appropriate than the once untainted word "gay".

[USPatriot8320]

I know it sounds like a double standard, considering some of the things I post on here, but, I don't believe in censorship. I don't believe in trying to silence them, but enter into dialogue with them. I do not like what Ann says, but guess what? I don't read her books and very rarey do I read her column. Ann has the right to say how she feels, and people have the right to disagree. I do not believe in trying to silence some one, no matter how outrageous what that person says may be. Do I wish she used a different word? Yes, I do! That word is meant to be used one way and one way only. Not to many people smoke fags in America :-p But long story short, trying to silence or get Ann booted from the public light because she said the word faggot or fag or whatever, is un-American. It goes against our basic rights. People begin to silence one person and then the snowball effect occurs.

Edit: The only time I would consider censorship is if a public figure promotes violence or worse against a particular group of people's for no other reason than skin color, religion, sexual preference, ect.

[MrSanity]

I know it sounds like a double standard, considering some of the things I post on here, but, I don't believe in censorship. I don't believe in trying to silence them, but enter into dialogue with them. I do not like what Ann says, but guess what? I don't read her books and very rarey do I read her column. Ann has the right to say how she feels, and people have the right to disagree. I do not believe in trying to silence some one, no matter how outrageous what that person says may be. Do I wish she used a different word? Yes, I do! That word is meant to be used one way and one way only. Not to many people smoke fags in America :-p But long story short, trying to silence or get Ann booted from the public light because she said the word faggot or fag or whatever, is un-American. It goes against our basic rights. People begin to silence one person and then the snowball effect occurs.

Edit: The only time I would consider censorship is if a public figure promotes violence or worse against a particular group of people's for no other reason than skin color, religion, sexual preference, ect.
:claps:

Catch the irony: you don't have to like it to ignore it.

[USPatriot8320]

It's very similar to people who complain about TV shows or the radio... Just change the station...

[Maggie_T]

People with short attention spans were lucky to remember the one word that Ann Coulter used, let alone the entire sentence. She said that using the word "faggot" requires you to go into rehab.




And the hysterical hullaballoo that ensued over her remark proved her right, didn't it.

I'm surprised no one came up with the idea that she should go through sensitive training, or whatever they call it.

This too will pass. The press is busy - and will continue to be - with the riots that "tolerant" lefties are kicking up in South America on account of Bush's visit.

[Maggie_T]

Maggie, the people I speak of helped build the movement and get Ronald Reagan into the White House; in those days people were being proselytized hence the Reagan Democrats, and without talk radio. I don't see new converts coming to the movement through what I perceive to be those who preach to the choir.

So who should preach to conservatives? Democrats?

You're contradicting yourself. Nobody preaches to the choir. ALL sorts of people listen to conservative talk shows. And I've got a bit of news for you, dear. In case you don't listen to Sean Hannity's show, I can tell you that there are many people who call to say they are democrats who have been "Hannitized" after listening to his talk show.

So as you can see, it's not only the choir that listens to conservative talk shows.

From my perspective, success in getting the message out equals converts,

Check. Read above paragraph.

...and for lack of which I don't see conservatism winning in the political sphere, but rather having become stagnant; cases in point, is the federal government larger or smaller than it was in 1980? Has the equilibrium between the states and the federal government, built into the Constitution by the Founders, been restored?

And you are going to blame Ann Coulter and conservative talk show hosts for that?!

My poor friend, all that is mischief created by the horde of linguini-spined politicians we have running the GOP right now. RINOs, and those imbeciles who fret about what the drive-by media says and bend over backwards in the vain hope that democrats will like them.

It is ALL the fault of our venal elected officials and has NOTHING to do with what Ann Coulter says, or whom conservative talk show hosts preach to.

My dear Farmer, you have things completely ass-backwards.

The ONLY ones who still fight the good fight are conservative talk show hosts.


And these are the ideas that conservatives have preached for decades,


And that our linguini-spined, vapid elected officials have been pissing on for the past 3 or 4 years.


certainly Reagan preached smaller government; but the answer to both questions is no. So where is the disconnect? Is it only that party politics now has the Republicans competing with the socialists for votes through offering bigger cradle to grave government? Or is it that the people look evermore to the federal government to "fix" things? I think its a little of both.

Agreed. Now please explain to me what the Hades has all this to do with Ann Coulter and conservative talk show hosts, which was the only thing I mentioned in my post.

Am I glad conservative talk radio exists? Certainly. Am I against most of the ideas that are implicit in Ann Coulter's message? Certainly not. But I think she'd do better work for the movement putting her law degree to use at the Center for Individual Rights and/or the Federalist Society, both of which she once did.

Oh, and the fact that she shoots her mouth off once in a while is irrefutable proof, Exhibit A, that she has completely stopped working for the CIR and the Federalist Society. I see.

Boy, do you jump ... no, make that, quantum leap to conclusions. :rolleyes:

Where the "Fairness" Act is concerned, demagogues by their very nature are reactionary, the effectiveness of the message of their foes being irrelevant to the need of their "reactionary psychological makeup" to respond even if their foes' message is but a whimper. In the early days of this Republic the fight between nationalists and state rightists led to the nationalists getting the Alien and Sedition Acts passed. Never mind that the voices of the state rightists were already a whimper in comparison to the din of the nationalists. The Democrats who wish for this measure therein show their demagoguery. It is the nature of the beast.

My dear, what are you going on about things that anyone with a basic IQ knows? All I said was that if conservative talk show hosts were not effective at all, demunists would not be so keen on shutting them up. And you talk to me about what the Fairness Act is as if I was born yesterday and never heard of it before.


Edit: in so far as using the word "faggot" I don't have a problem with it. I use that or "queer". I think they are more appropriate than the once untainted word "gay".

Agreed. Farmer, you are a decent conservative and I know that your intentions are good. And that is the only thing that is saving you from me blowing you out of the water for "preaching" to me about things I could write books on.

But I'll let you live this time. :D

[Maggie_T]

I know it sounds like a double standard, considering some of the things I post on here, but, I don't believe in censorship. I don't believe in trying to silence them, but enter into dialogue with them. I do not like what Ann says, but guess what? I don't read her books and very rarey do I read her column. Ann has the right to say how she feels, and people have the right to disagree. I do not believe in trying to silence some one, no matter how outrageous what that person says may be. Do I wish she used a different word? Yes, I do! That word is meant to be used one way and one way only. Not to many people smoke fags in America :-p But long story short, trying to silence or get Ann booted from the public light because she said the word faggot or fag or whatever, is un-American. It goes against our basic rights. People begin to silence one person and then the snowball effect occurs.


Bless you, Patriot. You remind me of Bernard Goldberg. One of the extremely few democrats I have any respect for, and whose books I have read and thoroughly enjoyed.

Edit: The only time I would consider censorship is if a public figure promotes violence or worse against a particular group of people's for no other reason than skin color, religion, sexual preference, ect.


Right. And of course, we're talking about a REAL threat. Not just saying things like "Rappers encourage violence and crime," which has sent the multiculturalism-worshipping crowd through the roof on more than one occasion.

[Lubbock]

I haven't been here at FC all that long. What? Eight or ten months? Something like that. So I haven't been around for all of the controversy and food fights on various and sundry subjects, but I do know that since I've been here, the most lengthy threads and the some of the worst controversy we've had has centered on Ann Coulter's written and spoken words. I think the first one I was in on after I came here was centered on her comments concerning the 9/11 Sympathy Whores . . . 'scuse me. I mean . . . Widows . . .

If I remember correctly, she was threatened then with having her columns dropped, and the prediction was that because of her comments concerning the 9/11 Sympathy . . . ah, Widows, Ann was done for. She was finished. No one would read her, listen to her, invite her to speak, or have her on any television show ever again.

Does the fact that we're here nearly a year later --having the same food fight over something Ann Coulter spoke or wrote, having the same food fight with the same people, tell you anything?

If it doesn't, you aren't listening or watching. If it doesn't tell you anything, it should.

[HomeschoolrsRUs]

The controversy was not about the use of the word "faggot." The controversy was about WHO used the word (Ann Coulter). She made a lame joke, big deal. She could say the most innocuous thing she could think of and the mainslime media would stretch and contort it into a full-fledged nazi attack on someone or some group.

She may very well be a polarizing figure, however she does a good job as serving as a lightning rod, freeing up OTHERS to get their points out into the media ether. How many people were even aware that CPAC was taking place until they heard about the Coulter Controversy? How many more checked out the REST of the goings on at CPAC because of peripheral introduction due to Ann's comment?

I don't care for her style, I'm much more of a Michelle Malkin fan, but I do believe she does a great service for the conservative movement. She is a great catalyst, for discussion, for thought, for interest, and for refocusing people on issues that may have been either glossed over, hidden, or camoflauged.

[Maggie_T]

:claps: BRAVO, LITTLE SISTER!!! :claps:


Especially this part: The controversy was not about the use of the word "faggot." The controversy was about WHO used the word (Ann Coulter).

[HomeschoolrsRUs]

:icon126: Danke, sis -- I gots me good role models, :smirky:

[Federal Farmer]

So who should preach to conservatives? Democrats?
And conservatives would need to be preached to because?

You're contradicting yourself. Nobody preaches to the choir. ALL sorts of people listen to conservative talk shows. And I've got a bit of news for you, dear. In case you don't listen to Sean Hannity's show, I can tell you that there are many people who call to say they are democrats who have been "Hannitized" after listening to his talk show.

So as you can see, it's not only the choir that listens to conservative talk shows.
Good for Hannity if he got a convert. Would that that convert would vote for a conservative, and not necessarily a Republican. If so then that is a convert, if not then not, the movement simply will have more RINOs within the public sphere with which to deal.

And you are going to blame Ann Coulter and conservative talk show hosts for that?!
I blamed talk show hosts where? Glen Beck preaches the message pretty well. As I pointed out, or tried to anyway, some listeners do not have "ears to hear" perhaps verbally and should read more and discuss with others. Something my co-worker did. That was my message. If you missed it re-read.
The ONLY ones who still fight the good fight are conservative talk show hosts.
Really? So the Heritage Foundation, the Federalist Society, et al are not a part of the fight? Those fighting abortion in the courts, they don't fight?
Agreed. Now please explain to me what the Hades has all this to do with Ann Coulter and conservative talk show hosts, which was the only thing I mentioned in my post.
So now you're agreeing that it is more than just the RINOs in Congress? That is what I said in what you quoted. What it has to do with is the wider problem of getting the conservative perspective out period. The medium is irrelevant as it did happen through other methods as I said earlier, before talk radio was big. Maybe we could even get the most effective medium going, that being a conservative candidate who would preach the message ala Reagan and connect with the voters as he did. That may even get the White House in 08. Just a thought though.
Oh, and the fact that she shoots her mouth off once in a while is irrefutable proof, Exhibit A, that she has completely stopped working for the CIR and the Federalist Society. I see.
She was once more active with these foundations than now, even founding chapters for the Federalist Society. If you have proof otherwise then post.
My dear, what are you going on about things that anyone with a basic IQ knows? All I said was that if conservative talk show hosts were not effective at all, demunists would not be so keen on shutting them up. And you talk to me about what the Fairness Act is as if I was born yesterday and never heard of it before.
You brought up the Fairness Act, and I gave proof from history that the effectiveness of one's message is not necessarily measured merely by a reaction.
Agreed. Farmer, you are a decent conservative and I know that your intentions are good. And that is the only thing that is saving you from me blowing you out of the water for "preaching" to me about things I could write books on
But I'll let you live this time. :D
Very condenscending of you. Go back to some of my earlier posts on constitutional law, philosophy and how it underlies so much of what we discuss here and see why I have received compliments on them from personages that are respected around these parts.

You seem to take things too personally. In this post you thought I was treating you as ignorant and that was not my intent. Most of the post was directed at my frustration over what I perceive to be a failure in getting the conservative perspective actually applied in government.

[noncom]

This too will pass. The press is busy - and will continue to be - with the riots that "tolerant" lefties are kicking up in South America on account of Bush's visit.
Well, that's all Bush's fault. He should have known that saying whatever he said would cause that.

But I hope we don't lose the current hysteria quite so soon. The general rule is that if a media feeding frenzy lasts for more than 90 days in a row, then somebody somewhere might run out of steam long enough to gibber something about WHY he's so gosh darned hysterical. And I want to know.

Is John Edwards mad because he was called a faggot (Has he ever even claimed that he's not?)

Or are all the faggots mad because somebody claimed that John Edwards was one of them?

And, if it's the faggots who are mad, then who will speak for them as the Official Faggot Spokesperson anyway?

[DeclinetoState]

Or are all the faggots mad because somebody claimed that John Edwards was one of them?
I think Ann actually apologized to that group for that reason early on.

[Maggie_T]

You seem to take things too personally. In this post you thought I was treating you as ignorant and that was not my intent. Most of the post was directed at my frustration over what I perceive to be a failure in getting the conservative perspective actually applied in government.


I seem to take things too personally?! Sweetie, you are one thin-skinned bloke.

Look here, I never meant to pick a fight with you. I like you, Farmer. Honestly.

So how about we kiss and make up. Deal? :dance:

[Maggie_T]

I (Ann coulter) give a lot of speeches out in America, I frequently visit America, and Americans are pretty freaked out about somebody going to rehab for using a word ...


BINGO!


At least, this American is. And that is exactly what liberals have achieved with political correctness. And that is what Ann wanted to draw attention to, and the conservative Brahmins and High Priests of Civil Discourse soiled their underwear, and kicked in the teeth for it.

Nice job, guys! :flame:

[Federal Farmer]

I seem to take things too personally?! Sweetie, you are one thin-skinned bloke.

Look here, I never meant to pick a fight with you. I like you, Farmer. Honestly.

So how about we kiss and make up. Deal? :dance:
I simply made an observation that you take things personally, mainly from your posts with Suzie in this thread. I don't, life's too short. Have a great weekend.

[Maggie_T]

Er ...o-k-k-kay.

Thanks, Farmer. You have a good one, too.

[Lubbock]

The thing that I'm the most tired of is being "shamed" by so-called "Conservatives" and told that we have to be above the "gutter fighting," and if we're not above it, we're just as bad as the Libs. Supporting Ann and cheering her on is getting down to the "level" of the Libs.

The "Holier-Than-Thou" crappola is real tiresome from so-called Conservatives.

I was raised with that "don't get down to their level," "don't get down and mud wrestle with pigs" philosophy . . . but my parents didn't live or operate in today's political climate, either.

I saw my dyed-in-the-wool, yellow-dog, Roosevelt Democrat[ick] mother turn into a complete Reagan Conservative Republican during Carter's admnistration --in the first six months of the Carter Administration, to be exact.

Mother went from not wanting to "mud wrestle" with the opposition to advocating for picking up baseball bats and going to war with the opposition --as in "a couple of good swats upside the head with a Lousiville Slugger is what he needs . . . "

[For the record, Daddy went from a Roosevelt Democrat to a Republican when he voted for Ike the first time.

[And sometime I'll tell a story (you know me and my stories) about my mother's twin brother who went from Roosevelt Democrat to a Republican when he voted for Ike the first time, and the battle royals that I sat through as a youngster coming up between Uncle Buster and mom --until she finally saw the light and went Republican. Thank God, I was more influenced by my dad and my uncle than my mother . . .otherwise, I might be on the Loony Left Side today.]

[Maggie_T]

I hear you, Lub.

It's our Brahmins for Civil Discourse that will be the end of us. The ones that hide behind a veneer of politness and gentility to avoid facing the truth and fighitng it. Poor aristrocrats. How can you expect them to descend to the level of Ann Coulter. They are too patrician for that.

Of course, if we win it's going to be thanks to people like Ann Coulter, not the exquisite Brahmins. Never mind. They will never acknowledge it. The will pretend it was their civility that won the battle.

It's enough to make you puke. :sulk:

[Lubbock]

http://calsun.canoe.ca/News/Columnists/Robinson_Ian/2007/03/11/3730881-sun.html

This free-speech fetishist applauds Coulter


By IAN ROBINSON (ian.robinson@calgarysun.com) The e-mails started to overwhelm our computer system late last week.
Because we used to publish U.S. commentator Ann Coulter, left-wing hypocrites were flooding us with what amounted to spam, demanding we kill her column.


Note to left-wing hypocrites: We dropped Coulter's column months ago.
You just wasted your time and ours because you didn't do your homework.


Stop it.

This is a great column from a friend north of the border.

[dPrasse]

Note to left-wing hypocrites: We dropped Coulter's column months ago.
You just wasted your time and ours because you didn't do your homework.


TOO funny !! But , then again ... do Libs EVER do homework or do they just get lead around by their leashes ?

[DeclinetoState]

I neither applaud nor condemn Ann. She said what she said. Whoop-de-do. We routinely hear far worse from mainstream liberal columnists, bloggers, cartoonists, and other political commentators about George W. Bush alone. How many political cartoonists draw him with his ears pointed out so he looks like a vampire or devil, for example? How many others try to insinuate that he's a puppet or the like controlled either by his father or the Vice President?

For those who believe conservatives must "take the high road," compared to what Ann herself is called at DU ("Ann Goi