Giuliani Judges Lean Left

[Republican_Legion]

Giuliani Judges Lean Left


When Rudy Giuliani faces Republicans concerned about his support of gay rights and legal abortion, he reassures them that he is a conservative on the decisions that matter most.

"I would want judges who are strict constructionists because I am," he told South Carolina Republicans last month. "Those are the kinds of justices I would appoint -- Scalia, Alito and Roberts."

But most of Giuliani's judicial appointments during his eight years as mayor of New York were hardly in the model of Chief Justice John Roberts or Samuel Alito -- much less aggressive conservatives in the mold of Antonin Scalia.

A Politico review of the 75 judges Giuliani appointed to three of New York state's lower courts found that Democrats outnumbered Republicans by more than 8 to 1. One of his appointments was an officer of the International Association of Lesbian and Gay Judges. Another ruled that the state law banning liquor sales on Sundays was unconstitutional because it was insufficiently secular.

A third, an abortion-rights supporter, later made it to the federal bench in part because New York Sen. Charles E. Schumer, a liberal Democrat, said he liked her ideology.
Cumulatively, Giuilani's record was enough to win applause from people like Kelli Conlin, the head of NARAL Pro-Choice New York, the state's leading abortion-rights group. "They were decent, moderate people," she said.

"I don't think he was looking for someone who was particularly conservative," added Barry Kamins, a Democrat who chaired the panel of the Bar Association of the City of New York, which reviewed Giuliani's appointments. "He picked a variety from both sides of the spectrum. They were qualified, even-tempered, academically strong."

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0207/2957.html

[dPrasse]

BWWAAHHAAAA !!!!!

I love it !

Now , what are Rudy supporters saying now ?

RINO Rudy neds to go down in a flaming boa ....

[The_Elucidator]

BWWAAHHAAAA !!!!!

I love it !

Now , what are Rudy supporters saying now ?

RINO Rudy neds to go down in a flaming boa ....

Hitlery vs Rudy...I still vote Rudy!

[dPrasse]

To me , that ain't sayin much ...
with a Dimocrap Congress , it's going to take a President with more backbone than Rudy or W ever used to control these clowns ...

[Republican_Legion]

Now , what are Rudy supporters saying now ?

Well at least now they cant claim that Rudy will apoint conservatives judges.
I suspect some Rudy defenders will dismiss the evidence as "BS".

[The_Elucidator]

Well at least now they cant claim that Rudy will apoint conservatives judges.
I suspect some Rudy defenders will dismiss the evidence as "BS".

I suspect some will and some will not!

[dPrasse]

I suspect some will and some will not!

I guy could get a serious wedgie sitting on a fence that hard! BWWAAHHAA!!:roar:

[The_Elucidator]

I guy could get a serious wedgie sitting on a fence that hard! BWWAAHHAA!!:roar:

If one misunderstood the post I guess he could... :roar:

[Patrick Henry]

Well at least now they cant claim that Rudy will apoint conservatives judges.
I suspect some Rudy defenders will dismiss the evidence as "BS".

I WANT NAMES!

PUT UP OR SHUT UP!!

YEEEAARRRGGGHHHHH!!!

[Republican_Legion]

LOL. I think I will choose the option to shut it before I get a beat down.

[Timberwolf]

I don't think the argument against him about the left-leaning judges in NYC holds water. From what I understand, judges are chosen by the mayor from a pool, not hand-picked (like they would be by the PotUS). That pool is BOUND to be 10-1 liberal to conservative, if there are that many conservatives in said pool.

Mind you, I'll still not support Guilliani in the primaries nor in the general election...just FYI.

[USPatriot8320]

Well look where he was.... It was about keeping his political career... Yes it is NYC and yes conservative talk shows etc are there, but when the public goes to the polls, well, conservatives are out numbered in NY! Especially down state.

[Republican_Legion]

I don't think the argument against him about the left-leaning judges in NYC holds water. From what I understand, judges are chosen by the mayor from a pool, not hand-picked (like they would be by the PotUS). That pool is BOUND to be 10-1 liberal to conservative, if there are that many conservatives in said pool.

Do you got a source for that ?
I'm curious because every state is different on some things.
I also recall that citys the size of NYC and LA do things differently.


Mind you, I'll still not support Guilliani in the primaries nor in the general election...just FYI.


I havent accused you of supporting him and I wouldnt also because you are consistent in what you say.

[Timberwolf]

I can't remember the source where I heard/read it...that's the reason I qualified it with "From what I understand". It is actually an invitation for someone to support or correct my assertion.

Sorry...I'll Google it and see if I can find anything.

[Republican_Legion]

I can't remember the source where I heard/read it...that's the reason I qualified it with "From what I understand". It is actually an invitation for someone to support or correct my assertion.

Sorry...I'll Google it and see if I can find anything.

Nah dont I'll take you word for it until an legal expert comes around here.

One thing I have read about my state is that Arnold the Govenator has been criticised by conservatives for appointing Democrats to the Courts.

[Timberwolf]

Now I remember where I read it...the opening post!!!

From the OP:
When Giuliani took office in 1994, he inherited a system of judicial appointments created by one of his predecessors, Ed Koch, and designed to insulate the courts from political influence. Under the system, the mayor appoints members of an independent panel. Aspiring judges apply to the panel, which recommends three candidates for each vacancy. The mayor chooses among the three...
~~~snip~~~
...
Giuliani cast himself in New York not as a conservative (he had actually run on the Liberal Party line) but as a reformer. Though at least 50 of his 75 appointees were registered Democrats (only six were registered Republicans), Giuliani also won praise for, some say, appointing fewer judges with ties to local Democratic politics than his predecessors.
http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/0307/Simons_Spin.html

Meanwhile, Giuliani backer Ted Olson told Hugh Hewitt (http://hughhewitt.townhall.com/Transcript_Page.aspx?ContentGuid=58f689a9-9215-43c2-aa6b-941412bd9c41) that Rudy's "discretion was quite limited."

What Simon and Olson are referring to is the Mayor's Advisory Committee on the Judiciary (http://www.nyc.gov/html/acj/html/home/home.shtml), the locus of a tradition of "merit selection" put in place by Ed Koch in 1978, a nice outline of which can be found on pages four and five of this document (.pdf) (http://www.moderncourts.org/Publications/pdf/cmr/kingscnty.pdf). The system exists at the Mayor's whim, and can be altered at his whim, as it was by Giuliani.

Most broadly, the system isn't in the City Charter. It exists under executive order, which the mayor can revoke or alter at any time. Giuliani altered the prior executive order, shrinking the panel to 19 members.
As for the panel's "independence," it is, by recent tradition, quite independent. By design however, it's totally dependent on the Mayor. He appoints its chairman and 8 other members directly. He appoints the other 10 on the recommendation of law school deans and state appellate judges, a recommendation to which he is not bound.

Under Koch's model, the panel recommended three judges for each open seat; the Mayor was required to pick one. The Mayor also automatically reappointed any sitting judge approved by the panel for reappointment.
Giuliani broke with both of these traditions, permitting himself to reject all three, and occasionally refusing to reappoint a sitting judge. This was a huge deal in late 1995, and prompted a decisive break between Koch and Giuliani. The fight, though, was not about ideology; Giuliani cast it in terms of the "limited" intellect of one judge, and of ties to corrupt county political machines.

Obviously, Giuliani could have altered the system further had he wished, or ditched it entirely. (Bloomberg restored the Koch system in 2002.)
That's what I've found that applies...there's likely more, if someone is interested in digging it up.

[Republican_Legion]

So basicly that last part shows he had control over the system and could have gotten the judges he wanted.

[Timberwolf]

Yeah, but not if he wanted to get re-elected. As I see it (and don't think I'm supporting what he did), if he had appointed constructionist judges (as he claims he will if elected PotUS), he would not have survived his first term as mayor (politically).

[Naturalized-Texan]

Well at least now they cant claim that Rudy will apoint conservatives judges.
I suspect some Rudy defenders will dismiss the evidence as "BS".:bsflag:
Of course it's Bullshit. Rudy has pledged repeatedly that he will appoint strict-constructionist Supreme Court Justices like Roberts, Alito, and Scalia. You need to start keeping up with current events.

[Republican_Legion]

Of course it's Bullshit. Rudy has pledged repeatedly that he will appoint strict-constructionist Supreme Court Justices like Roberts, Alito, and Scalia. You need to start keeping up with current events.

It is fact and you have been proven wrong. Get over it.
Yep as expected you simply just call everything BS that disputes your false claims.

[Republican_Legion]

Yeah, but not if he wanted to get re-elected. As I see it (and don't think I'm supporting what he did), if he had appointed constructionist judges (as he claims he will if elected PotUS), he would not have survived his first term as mayor (politically).

Well that shows Rudy doesnt have the balls to help Conservatives.

[Naturalized-Texan]

One would have to be incredibly naive to believe that a mayor of New York City, any mayor, could get a conservative judge approved by the left-wing city council.

[Timberwolf]

Well that shows Rudy doesnt have the balls to help Conservatives.
No disagreement there...