Should Women Be Allowed to Play Golf on the Mens Circuit? [Archive]

Keith J

05-19-2003, 07:27 PM

I believe its not about sport but about shattering myths, namely the sport is rumored to be an acroynym of "Gentlemen Only, Ladies Forbidden". I doubt this to be the case and so does this astute investigator.

One lawyer's investigation... (http://www.denbar.org/docket/2002/november/golf.htm)

Why don't we start more myths? Like a new game called Mawn...Men always, women never? Lets use this for the game of washers as it has needed a better name.

Venus

05-19-2003, 07:28 PM

The world really focuses way too much time on sports and entertainment.

Yep. Big bucks, bread and circuses.

DesertFox

05-19-2003, 07:29 PM

I agree completely about entertainment generally but not about sport, which in the main is useful and healthful.

Venus

05-19-2003, 07:33 PM

I think it's of great value with kids throughout school, and into college. I think it's great for communities and families to be involved with sports as recreation, for both health and social reasons. No question about that.

My beef is with professional sports, especially the NBA and football (whatever it's called - NFL?).

Dash_Riprock

05-19-2003, 07:34 PM

She's going to play in the U.S. Open, but there's some question as to whether she'll make the cut after the second round. She has accuracy, but she doesn't not have the strength to compete with the men. NBC did a story on her. They compared it to the King-Riggs tennis matchup of three decades ago. Yeah, right.

Someone in tennis once suggested the Steffi Graf play a match against Andre Agassi. It wouldn't have been a "match".

Warlady

05-19-2003, 07:51 PM

King is more man than woman.

Seeker of Truth

05-19-2003, 07:53 PM

No!!!!

I mean could you see someone like Tiger Woods playing on the LPGA tour?

Nuff said.

pja

05-19-2003, 08:01 PM

We, spousal unit and I, used to belong to a Toastmasters club that had an interesting history. It was the last of the Toastmasters clubs to be a men only club. This particular club generally sported 40 to 60 members. This was a vibrant and very competitive club which helped many young men overcome their fear of public speaking and go on to extremely successful careers. Some of the men actually became millionaires and claimed their time in this particular Toastmasters club as the reason for their success. But time ran out for this last bastion of men’s rights.

When they finally were forced to admit women to join the club in the early 90’s they did it in such a way that they maintained control and invited specific women to be their first female members. That took the edge off of the situation preventing the club busters from claiming that they destroyed the last men only Toastmaster club.

As the years passed more women joined the club and the competitive edge eroded quickly. The shining star of Toastmasters clubs no longer produces the successful careers for participants. It no longer prepares its members for real speaking experiences. It no longer sports a large membership. In fact, it is hardly able to qualify as a Toastmaster club any more. I blame the change that women inflicted on this club. It was a very sad thing to watch.

In the name of political correctness we have lost our right to freedom of association.

Pat (aka pja)

Warlady

05-19-2003, 08:04 PM

Men aren't used to having to fight women as most are gentlemen. But they're going to have to get used to it and start fighting these feminazis or they aren't going to have any rights left at all.

CaliGirl

05-19-2003, 08:53 PM

I don't know too much about the story since I don't really don't care about golf. I just know that Bill O'Reilly talked about it today on his talk radio show and he doesn't have a problem with it. I know she was invited to play, guess that is the only way one can be included? If women have their own league, or what ever you call it, why invade on the men's turf? Can men play in the women's league? http://freeconservatives.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/icon127.gif

JonECat

05-19-2003, 09:04 PM

1. As has been mentioned, she was INVITED to play in the Colonial(not the U.S. Open, the Colonial is not a major, the U.S. Open IS)

2. The LPGA rules state that no men can play in any event on the tour.

3. ANYONE can be invited to play in PGA sanctioned tournaments on a sponsors exemption, Me, Warlady, Suzie, DesertFox, Michael Jordan, John Elway, anyone. There was an event a few years back where Mark Rypien was invited to play in a tournament after his super bowl win with the Redskins. This is why you see the likes of Greg Norman, Arnold Palmer and Jack Nickalus playing in tournaments like the Masters (and getting waxed).

4. ANYONE who can somehow turn this into a political statement has seriously got to get a life! It is (as it stands now) a ONE TIME shot. Floating it up in the air to see if the best golfer on the ladies tour (and she is DAMN good!) can compete with the men.

Personally, I am curious to see how she does, whether she wins or loses, no harm no foul.

Some people just can't rest without having something to complain about.

Estragon

05-19-2003, 09:38 PM

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Should Women Be Allowed to Play Golf on the Mens Circuit?

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Should Men Be Allowed to Play Golf on the Women's Circuit?

Billy Jean King versus Bobby Riggs was a leading competitor on the women's circuit playing a long-retired hustler who knew a great PR scheme when he heard one. It wasn't an official tournament, it was an exhibition.

Radical-Conservative

05-19-2003, 11:02 PM

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Warlady said:
What Venus said. I'm going to be praying she doesn't qualify.

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If she doesnt she'll whine until the change the rules enough that she'll qualify

MaximumSam

05-19-2003, 11:12 PM

If golf were a sport, there might be an argument that she shouldn't play.

Venus

05-20-2003, 01:59 AM

WL said:

"Men aren't used to having to fight women as most are gentlemen. But they're going to have to get used to it and start fighting these feminazis or they aren't going to have any rights left at all."

Agreed. Sad, but true. I don't know about you, but I find these women embarrassing as all get out.

Venus

05-20-2003, 02:02 AM

Cali queried:

"Can men play in the women's league?"

Good heavens, NO! That'd be an unfair advantage! Or so they're saying, anyway. The advantage they claim men have is that they're..well.......stronger!!!!! Thus, it should be okay for women to invade men's space, but not vice-versa.

Venus

05-20-2003, 02:05 AM

Rad, you make a very good point.

Osammie, what are you talking about? Explain why golf isn't a sport, please.

Radical-Conservative

05-20-2003, 04:14 AM

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Rad, you make a very good point.

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I have my rare moments every once in a great while

Careful there Venus we'll have to make ya an honorary member of the he-man feminazi haters club http://freeconservatives.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif http://freeconservatives.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggrin.gif

**DONOTDELETE**

05-20-2003, 07:59 AM

Golf isnt really a sport. It is a 'pasttime' on the level of bowling or batmitten. A real manly sport involves some physical contact and occasional bloodshed, soccor being the minimum.

Why should anyone care if some butch women want to take their place alongside a bunch of generally emasculated limpwrists?

Someone needs to come along with contact golf; that would be fun.

blakjaque shelac

05-20-2003, 08:10 AM

"Should". "Should"? "Should" implies there is a natural right or wrong.

Men "should" not use their physical advantage to bully women. In return, women "should" not abuse their violence-free status to push men to limits that would normally lead to a smack in the head.

But "should" women play golf with men? "Should" they play tiddly-winks with men?

I think it's more a question of do we WANT women to play on the PGA tour. There is no doubt that even if this event was not at its root politically motiviated, it has socio-political importance and is therefore ripe for debate.

The larger question is: what do we want for men and women in general?

In the seventies and especially in the shrill eighties, women's groups beat down the doors of every single men-only haven. Social clubs, Toastmaster clubs, golf clubs...... They claimed that these things were evil. Their stated visions was of a totally integrated world where we were blind to gender.

What was the fist thing women did when they gained disposale income? Women-only health clubs are one of the fastest growing businesses in North America. Women-only investment clubs abound. When Canada's Boy Scouts folded to pressure to become just "scouts" admitting both boys and girls, Girl Guides re-affirmed their girls-only status explaining that girls need a place to be amongst themselves.

Certainly there are times - in fact most times - when the company of women is a very pleasant thing. A man, a real man, loves the unique interaction possible with the y-complement to his x-psyche.

But just like the women in women-only gyms or the girls in Girl Guides, men sometimes want, need, and have a right, to gather amongst themselves.

And it's much more than men's right to this that has been eroded. Recent decades of harping on the subject has actually erodede men's belief in their entitlement to it. In social situtations a woman will feel free, even proud, to talk of her woen-only gym, or her women-only whatever. But how often anmore does one hear men speak up loud and proud about their men's club, or their men-only golf club? Never. Because THAT has become politically incorrect.

Warlady has it right, that men have to stop cowering before the sacred cows.

Warlady

05-20-2003, 08:20 AM

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And you're one of them. And just in case you haven't noticed this is a DEBATE forum. Also, just because she was invited doesn't make it right.

Warlady

05-20-2003, 08:27 AM

It may not be a contact sport but it's a competition. And, it's a very difficult competition. Of course it's a sport.

Radical-Conservative

05-20-2003, 08:31 AM

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It may not be a contact sport but it's a competition. And, it's a very difficult competition. Of course it's a sport.

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it might be a sport but i'd rather watch paint dry

Warlady

05-20-2003, 08:39 AM

I had the opportunity to go with my Marines one Sunday morning early during one of our reunions and I had a blast. I saw first hand just how difficult it really is.

Radical-Conservative

05-20-2003, 08:44 AM

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Warlady said:
I had the opportunity to go with my Marines one Sunday morning early during one of our reunions and I had a blast. I saw first hand just how difficult it really is.

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You have youre own marine unit? Ok goddess youre starting to make me nervous now lol

jag

05-20-2003, 08:51 AM

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Warlady said:
I had the opportunity to go with my Marines one Sunday morning early during one of our reunions and I had a blast. I saw first hand just how difficult it really is.

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You have youre own marine unit? Ok goddess youre starting to make me nervous now lol

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LOL... I want one too.

pja

05-20-2003, 08:56 AM

If I played golf it certainly would be a contact sport. FOUR!!!!! How is that for contact?

Pat (aka pja)

2nd_Amendment

05-20-2003, 10:00 AM

Golf isn't a sport, it's a joke. Something men who can't or won't get dirty and build something or hunt or fish or shoot or read do to convince themselves they're something special. I can only hope she gets in and leads the charge to wreck this silly pastime.

Lord I do despise golf.

Dash_Riprock

05-20-2003, 10:57 AM

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Golf isn't a sport, it's a joke. Something men who can't or won't get dirty and build something or hunt or fish or shoot or read do to convince themselves they're something special. I can only hope she gets in and leads the charge to wreck this silly pastime.

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Yeah, that's right. You don't enjoy it, so destroy it regardless of however many do.

Kathy29

05-20-2003, 11:14 AM

Unfortunatrely women cannot compete on a level playing field. Allow women in and they will invariably start changing the rules to lower the standards until the whole thing is ruined beyond belief.

Venus

05-20-2003, 11:21 AM

"Golf isn't a sport, it's a joke. Something men who can't or won't get dirty and build something or hunt or fish or shoot or read do to convince themselves they're something special. I can only hope she gets in and leads the charge to wreck this silly pastime."

My dad golfs in the morning, fishes in the afternoon, hunts in season, reads in the evenings. He and my uncles trap shoot and target practice at a range. My dad also hikes with the dogs and lifts weights.

My dad isn't a pansy. He's 70, tough as nails and loves golf! He and my mom play tennis with one of my aunts and uncles.

Two of my uncles also golf, and both are horsemen and ranchers. One of them, at 74, still runs his large-animal veterinary practice and works at it part-time. They both shoot, fish and do hard work on their ranches and in working with their horses.

None of them are pansies. Not even close.

Venus

05-20-2003, 11:21 AM

That's right, Kathy.

Rhino

05-20-2003, 12:09 PM

Competition or difficulty doesn't make something a sport, or you could call chess a sport too (not to mention dating). Let's face it. There is no single definition of 'sport', so arguing it is really pointless. As far as golf goes, since there is no activity women are being excluded from, only the opponents, the inclusion of females by force would have nothing to do with equality, and everything to do with political gamesmanship. Hey, would that be a sport too?

Venus

05-20-2003, 12:16 PM

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Sure, and the Romans viewed a fight between a slave and a lion as 'sport'.

One might say that 'sport' is in the eye of the beholder, but I think any endeavor with a physical effort component is a 'sport', unless it's an art form. I swim, and I consider that a sport even though I don't compete. I also dance, and consider that an art form, even though the dance is more exertive than the swimming. Trap shooting is considered a 'sport', and is far less exertive than swimming or dancing. A sport, then, is a game or an activity that involves physical activity that can be a competition or a lone endeavor, especially when one challenges oneself.

Warlady

05-20-2003, 12:18 PM

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2nd_Amendment said:
Golf isn't a sport, it's a joke. Something men who can't or won't get dirty and build something or hunt or fish or shoot or read do to convince themselves they're something special. I can only hope she gets in and leads the charge to wreck this silly pastime.

Lord I do despise golf.

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Do you hate it so much 2nd that you've totally missed the point? And to hell with those who love it. 2nd hates it so it goes down the toilet. Let the women ruin just about the only thing men had left to themselves besides football and basketball. At least they haven't been forced to let women play in the NFL and NBA yet. I'm sure it's coming though.

Rhino

05-20-2003, 12:23 PM

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Venus said:
Trap shooting is a 'sport', and is far less exertive than swimming or dancing.

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About like chess? Or would that be an art form? You illustrate the point very well. Different people will view the "physical effort component" differently, as they would also likely have different ideas about what is or is not an art form. Since there is no standard definition to go on, any argument over what is or is not sport is subject to infinite interpretation, and therefore an unwinnable endeavor. That was all I was trying to say. It just so happens that I agree with every sport/activity you cited, so our definitions of sport are at least very similar. But I know enough to know that others don't necessarily have the same definition.

Venus

05-20-2003, 12:29 PM

WL, I hear Tanya Harding is trying out for the NFL that is, if she can tear herself away from her burgeoning career in boxing - or is it the WWW?

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Radical-Conservative

05-20-2003, 12:32 PM

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Venus said:
WL, I hear Tanya Harding is trying out for the NFL that is, if she can tear herself away from her burgeoning career in boxing - or is it the WWW?

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Both.. I think

Venus

05-20-2003, 01:05 PM

Rhino observed:

"About like chess? Or would that be an art form? You illustrate the point very well. Different people will view the "physical effort component" differently, as they would also likely have different ideas about what is or is not an art form. Since there is no standard definition to go on, any argument over what is or is not sport is subject to infinite interpretation, and therefore an unwinnable endeavor. That was all I was trying to say. It just so happens that I agree with every sport/activity you cited, so our definitions of sport are at least very similar. But I know enough to know that others don't necessarily have the same definition."

Well, chess and similar games seem like a strictly academic endeavor, inasmuch as they employ mental acuity and strategy to win. Some sports engage those abilities, too, but there is a physical step to be taken after the strategy is resolved that isn't present in chess. So, I still think it's the physical factor that separates the two, and the artistic factor that separates some physical endeavors from sport. To give an example, take skating. There is no question in my mind that speed skating and hockey are both tough sports. Figure skating, while being quite exertive (like dance), involves personal artistic expression, and I don't view it as a sport. The fact of it being done in competition is secondary to it being an art form, whereas speed skating and hockey would not be - the physical aspect of it, that is, the actual doing of it is the essence of competition.

Therefore, I'd conclude that golf is definitely a sport, but I agree that others might conclude differently. It's just that I don't know what it would be if not a sport, because it certainly mainly involves a physical component. It requires strength, balance, coordination and stamina - sounds like a sport to me!

pja

05-20-2003, 01:48 PM

Ummm...moving chess pieces is a physical action...

Pat (aka pja)

Venus

05-20-2003, 03:28 PM

LOL! http://freeconservatives.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/icon133.gif

Maggie_T

05-20-2003, 04:02 PM

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Warlady said:
I say hell no. My God can't men have anything to themselves anymore? The women already have the LPGA. Poor guys. This really pisses me off.

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I confess that this is all I read because we're due elsewhere shortly so I don't have time to go through all the thread.

And let me tell you, I agree with Warlady. It pisses me off too. If there's one thing - among so many - with which I'm fed to the back teeth is watching these pseudo-liberated women constantly scratch at men's door, whimpering to be let in. It's mortifying!

And these dregs call themselves "liberated"? Being liberated does not mean going around without a bra. The first thing truly liberated women should feel is free from this constant inferiority complex if they don't dress like men, talk like men, think like men, screw around like men, grow mustaches like men, etc., etc.

This perpetual striving for countefeit manhood has as much to do with women's liberation as national security has to do with the color of the terrorism alert whatchamacallit.

I said it once, I'll say it again. All these feminazis want to do is harrass men. Badger them till they are vanquished. This has more to do with the famous Swedish college student who demanded that her boyfriend pee sitting because the "standing position" was too redolent of masculine domination than it has to do with playing golf. No, I'm not making this up. I'm sure there are people here who remember that ludicrous chapter.

Leave men alone, you feminazi cows. Go and create your own clubs. And please let me know which they are so I never make the mistake of accidentally joining them. http://freeconservatives.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/icon122.gif

Venus

05-20-2003, 04:07 PM

What the Magster said so magnificently.

And not only is it mortifying, it's undignified and embarrassing.

Maggie_T

05-20-2003, 04:13 PM

Thank you, Venus.

I swear, every time something like this happens, I cringe and wish there was a hole I could bury myself in.

I'm sick of these harridans giving us sensible women a bad name.

Venus

05-20-2003, 04:22 PM

So am I.

And speaking of harridans, wouldn't you just love to snatch one of those bitches bald-headed?

I would. I'd like to get ahold of that smarmy Kim Gandy and just clean her clock good.

MaximumSam

05-20-2003, 05:09 PM

Is golf a sport? Who knows and who cares, I can still make fun of it.

One thing is for certain, golf is not a contact or team sport (well, not counting a game of fast scramble). We aren't talking about football players here. If Vijay Singh said he didn't want to play with a woman because he didn't want to tackle her, he sounds halfway reasonable. But he doesn't want to tee up 15 minutes later? He sounds like a little whiny bitch.

Golf is an individual game. The gender of the person hitting after you doesn't affect how you play. The PGA Tour is a professional league - it pays the highest money to the best players. If the best player happens to be a woman, then so be it. Period. Why is there even a discussion beyond that? Why on Earth does it matter that Sorenstram is a woman? She's out to make money, just like everyone else. She can make the most money on the PGA Tour. Supposedly she is good enough to at least compete with professional men's golfers. It is beyond reason to criticize her because she is female.

Venus

05-20-2003, 05:14 PM

You make some reasonable points, Osammie, but what if the rest of the players don't want her there? Don't they have the right to free association?

Radical-Conservative

05-20-2003, 05:22 PM

Golf is only a sport if played w/ hand grenades instead of golf balls

MaximumSam

05-20-2003, 05:59 PM

You make some reasonable points, Osammie, but what if the rest of the players don't want her there? Don't they have the right to free association?

Free association? In theory sure, but then you are opening the gate to all sorts of arguments. I'm sure a few old-timers didn't think Tiger Woods had a proper place on the Tour because he's too black (or Thai-African-American or whatever his heritage is). But Phil Mickleson, if he had his druthers, might kick off Tiger because he's too good. And all are connected to free association.

All these golfers claim that golf is a sport, and if it is, the Professional Golf Association should be for the best golfers, not just the best male golfers. In other words, free association should be limited to excluding people based on their golfing skill, not other factors totally unrelated to the game of golf (Besides, of course, conduct related traits like criminal records and the like). If certain golf-related concessions were made for female golfers (like they got bigger clubs or closer tees), then there would be something wrong. But Sorenstram is going to play the exact same holes with the exact same clubs from the exact same distance.

And besides that, golfers are employees and have no say on whom their employer hires.

And besides that, Sorenstram has the right to free association too, as well as the right to make a living. She stands to make a ton of money if she is successful in the tournament, so we can't be quick to extinguish her rights as well.

Venus

05-20-2003, 06:19 PM

Good argument, Osammie. I'll mull it over.

DesertFox

05-20-2003, 06:32 PM

MaximumSam

05-20-2003, 06:37 PM

Sam, you can't argue both sides here. Either men have a right to associate with other men, sans women, or they don't. But they can't have that right if some woman has a greater right to associate with them. Once she's there, the men have lost their right to associate with men sans women. It's either/or.

If that is so, then free association is simply not an argument, since letting the men win would mean her rights are trampled. My point is that Vijay Singh exercised his right to free association by skipping the tournament. Besides that, the 'idea' of free association (the Colonial isn't a government sponsored event, so there isn't a right present) doesn't seem to apply here, if the PGA is for the best golfers.

DesertFox

05-20-2003, 06:39 PM

Since there is an LPGA, obviously the PGA is fore (sic) the best male golfers. Sorta like referring to a male equine as a horse and a female as a mare.

Venus

05-20-2003, 06:48 PM

Osammie, the right to free association isn't dependent upon government sponsorship or it being a party in anyway to the relationship.

The Dale case was a recent case about the right of free association in rejecting a class.. The BSA didn't want homosexuals in their organization, at least not serving as scout leaders. The USSC upheld the right of the scouts based on the First Amendment right to free association.

Fox is quite right.

Rhino

05-20-2003, 06:53 PM

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If that is so, then free association is simply not an argument, since letting the men win would mean her rights are trampled.

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That would only be true if you assume that exclusion from one group causes some harm that could not be prevented by associating with another. I don't assume that. The right to free association no more gives you the right to force yourself on anyone any more than the right to free speech allows you to scream "fire" in a crowded theater. If the right were absolute, the right to privacy would no longer exist. You do indeed bring up good points, Sam.

You say Singh exercised his right to free association by skipping the tournament. I'd like to take that a bit further and hypothecize that others followed suit. Eventually, in the interest of their free association, they form their own tournament so that they don't have that female/PGA association forced upon them. If we assume that mere exclusion of women constitutes a trampling of their rights, then they could also force themselves upon the new tournament as well. That in effect would eliminate the right of Singh and others to free association, because no matter where they go, women (or anyone else) can force themselves in. For that reason, I do not view exclusion as 'trampling' or harm, because it does not prohibit any activity exclusively. It only limits whom with. If the right to force yourself on others was absolute there would be no such thing as private property, or anything else private for that matter.

DesertFox

05-20-2003, 06:56 PM

Thanks for spelling it out, Rhino. Your specifics are much better than my shorter version of this argument.

Venus

05-20-2003, 07:02 PM

Precisely, Rhino.

A logical extension of Osammie's arguments, thoughtful as they are, reveals the point and extent to which they disassemble.

Lighthouse_MIDI

05-20-2003, 07:03 PM

As long as the house cleaning is done and she has dinner on the table at the proper time, I say - Let Her Play!
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(Just kidding)

Maggie_T

05-20-2003, 08:24 PM

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MaximumSam said:
Sam, you can't argue both sides here. Either men have a right to associate with other men, sans women, or they don't. But they can't have that right if some woman has a greater right to associate with them. Once she's there, the men have lost their right to associate with men sans women. It's either/or.

If that is so, then free association is simply not an argument, since letting the men win would mean her rights are trampled.

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By your logic, that means that if she wins, the men's rights would be trampled. And like that, we could go on in circles for ever.

We're not talking the sport per se here. We're talking about this urgency some women have to constantly be in men's faces, so to speak. The game of golf is merely an excuse.

The same thing happened with the Promise Keepers. Only then, it was religion. But as soon as feminists learned it was a men-only thing, they immediately became hysterical and lambasted them for not allowing women. Mind you, these were men who encouraged fidelity and respect for women. But that was not enough for the usual suspects. Oh, no. They could not leave well enough alone. They had to bitch about the PK not being "inclusive." Bull! In that case, what bothered them was that PK sent a totally opposite message to the one feminazis had been sending out for years: that men (white males, especially) are dominant, oppressors of women and disrespectful to them, etc. etc. That's what really bothered them.

Forget the Evil White Male. http://freeconservatives.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/rolleyes.gif You want to know what the worst thing that ever happened to women is? Feminazism. That's the worst thing that ever happened to women.

JonECat

05-20-2003, 08:47 PM

Just don't go politicizing sports, anyone that tries to turn this sort of thing into a political issue is no better than Martha Burk and her cronies, who tried to do the exact same thing.

**DONOTDELETE**

05-20-2003, 09:29 PM

I usually use my training in martial arts to help me decide on issues like this.

I say, "BRING IT ON!!"
If he is good show it, if she is good show it. Victory comes when you beat them all, big, small, male , female.
Mind you I have a competetive attitude and see opponents are all the same..... all assumed dangerous and must be defeated.

Then again, golf is different than a martial arts tournament.

Timberwolf

05-20-2003, 10:49 PM

In a word, "no". Unless the LPGA is willing to open it's doors to those men that "can't quite make it" on the PGA Tour.

Sorenstam is not the first woman to compete on the PGA Tour, though. That honor goes to Babe Didrickson Zaharias back in the 30s. She IS the best female golfer and has stated that this is a PERSONAL goal, not "one for the women". I truly think she is merely gauging her game against the best in the world.

I applaud Vijay for skipping the tourney. I only wish MORE guys would speak up in opposition to women on the PGA...as has been mentioned already, the ladies have their own tour that forbids men. If this gets out of hand, a good deal of the males pros will cut and run, forming a separate tour. It almost happened about 5-10 years ago over something else (can't remember what).

CaliGirl

05-20-2003, 10:59 PM

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Venus said:
Cali queried:

"Can men play in the women's league?"

Good heavens, NO! That'd be an unfair advantage! Or so they're saying, anyway. The advantage they claim men have is that they're..well.......stronger!!!!! Thus, it should be okay for women to invade men's space, but not vice-versa.

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I am way behind in reading this thread.

If men can't play in the women's league, then why are women allowed to play in the male league. I know it's an invite. but Sheesh!

Are these women 'soccer moms'? http://freeconservatives.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/rotflmbo.gif