Senate Passes Surrender Bill

[Rhino]

Senate Ignores Veto Threat, Passes Iraq War Spending Bill

Thursday, March 29, 2007

WASHINGTON — The Senate on Thursday passed the Iraq war spending bill 51-47 after President Bush said he would likely veto the legislation over the inclusion of a timetable for withdrawal of U.S. troops.

The $122 billion emergency supplemental bill funds the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan but would require Bush to comply with orders to start bringing troops home from Iraq within four months, with a nonbinding goal of ending combat operations by March 31, 2008.

Sen. Richard Shelby, R-Ala., who voted against the legislation, said political infighting had led to naming "the date for defeat in Iraq."

"We’ve taken a step backwards,” he said after the vote. “It is the wrong message at the wrong time, surely this will embolden the enemy, it will not help our troops in any way.”

Forty-eight Democrats and independent Sen. Bernard Sanders of Vermont voted in support of the measure, including Republican Sens. Chuck Hagel of Nebraska and Gordon Smith of Oregon. Sen. Joe Lieberman, I-Conn., and 46 Republicans voted against the legislation. Sens. Mike Enzi, R-Wy., and Tim Johnson, D-S.D., did not vote......http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,262320,00.html

[Shedinja500]

What? Bush is going to veto funding for our troops? I say we impeach that troop-hating commie of a DemocRAT. Oh wait, he's a Republican, you say? Veto this bill and support our troops by cutting off funding! Hail the Commander in Chief!

[DeclinetoState]

That's the underhanded ploy the Democrats are trying to pull on Bush: give him something that is needed (money for the troops) along with something that is poisonous (a timetable broadcast to the terrorists and their supporters of when the U.S. will leave).

Real smart, that.

[buckeyepete]

What? Bush is going to veto funding for our troops? I say we impeach that troop-hating commie of a DemocRAT. Oh wait, he's a Republican, you say? Veto this bill and support our troops by cutting off funding! Hail the Commander in Chief!

Lets see here, young pup. You seem to think Bush is going to veto the bill and cut off funding to our troops? No, Bush will veto the bill to avoid the forced surrender and devaluation of the lives spent to fight these faciast lunatics. He will also veto this so as to put the command of the military back in the hands of the Commander-In-chief and the military Generals and Admirals, where it belongs, not in the hands of Liberal, COWARD, TRAITORS. He will also veto this on the principle of all the PORK for the agriculture business that the RATS tacked onto it.

He will VETO this in the name of the COMMANDER-IN -CHIEF of the UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, and as a denunciation of the PORK that was added to profit and enhance some DEMONAZI's political career.

"Keep your eyes and ears open, and your mouth shut, and you'll be amazed at what you can learn."

"Thirst for Knowledge."

[Naturalized-Texan]

I don't think that that lefty pup will last long here.

[Incident_command]

What? Bush is going to veto funding for our troops? I say we impeach that troop-hating commie of a DemocRAT. Oh wait, he's a Republican, you say? Veto this bill and support our troops by cutting off funding! Hail the Commander in Chief!


Go back to reading comic books

[Incident_command]

Ok now I want a timeline on EVERYTHING the rats want pushed through.

I want the funding for the homeless cut if its not eradicated by 2008.
Aids must be cured by 2008 or the funding is cut.
No new funding for any project unless we have no federal debt.
All loans to third world nations paid in full or at least to date by 2008.
The UN must do something, ANYTHING worth a damn by 2008 or it out of NY.
Add what you please to the list.

[d'urville]

What? Bush is going to veto funding for our troops? I say we impeach that troop-hating commie of a DemocRAT. Oh wait, he's a Republican, you say? Veto this bill and support our troops by cutting off funding! Hail the Commander in Chief!

Just get over it, you must still think you put Bush in some twisted dilemna, but you haven't. He's going to veto this thing, you're wrong here as you were wrong here:


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Well, Bush will be the one losing 124 Billion. Not to mention that if he vetoes that extra spending, Republicans will lose all their remaining credibility with swing voters.

He says that refusing to fund the war would "hurt our troops" and then vetoes funding for the war. Even American independents can't be stupid enough not to notice the hypocrisy! But then, this is the country where people care more about Britney Spears shaving her head than about the Darfur genocide...

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Wrong.

[DoctorDoom]

For the record, noob, the bill is a slaughterhouse of liberal pork tacked on to a military authorization bill. Cited by Rush:

Nancy Pelosi spent $28 billion taxpayer dollars in one week to round up the bare minimum of 218 votes that she needed, the exact number to get her majority. It works out to $130 million or so per vote. The president detailed some of this, but I've got the laundry list of the pork that is in the bill that the Senate passed yesterday. As we all know, there's $25 million for a spinach farmer, $24 million for funding for sugar beets, $3 million in funding for sugar cane going to one Hawaiian co-op. There's $20 million for insect infestation damage reimbursements in Nevada, Idaho and Utah; $2.1 billion for crop production losses; one and a half billion for livestock production losses; $100 million for dairy production losses; $13 million for ewe lamb replacement and retention; $32 million for the livestock indemnity program; $40 million for the Tree Assistance Program -- speaking of this, the Tree Assistance Program is going to really need some help now. In San Francisco, have you heard about this? They're banning the plastic bags at the grocery stores.

[snip]

There's a hundred million dollars for small agricultural dependent businesses. Look at how much pork is in this bill for farming- and agricultural-related industries. Six million for North Dakota flooded crop land; $35 million for emergency conservation programs; $50 million for the Emergency Watershed Program. This is in the bill that the Democrats in the House and Senate passed yesterday to pull troops out of Iraq in March of 2008 and not fund the surge. One-hundred-fifteen million dollars for the Conservation Security Program. Now, it sounds like a dupe, but it's not. It was earlier, $35 million for the Emergency Conservation Program, and then another $115 million for the Conservation Security Program, which proves much of what I have said constantly: the redundancy in all these federal programs is pathetic. There's $18 million for drought assistance in the upper Great Plains and in the Southwest; $6 million for the North Dakota flooded crop land and $18 million for drought assistance in the upper Great Plains in the Southwest (a provision that extends the availability by a year); $3.5 million dollars in funding for guided tours of the Capitol is in this bill.

Also, it has a provision that allows transfer of funds from holiday ornament sales in the Senate Gift Shop, and $165.9 million for fisheries disaster relief funded through NOAA. This includes $60.4 million for salmon fisheries in the Klamath Basin region; $12 million for forest service money. There's $425 million for education grants for rural areas. This is the Secure Rural Schools Program. There's $640 million for something called LIHEAP; $25 million for asbestos abatement at the Capitol Power Plant; $388.9 million for funding for backlog of old Department of Transportation projects; $22.8 million for geothermal research and development; $500 million for wildfire fire management; $13 million for mine safety technology research; $31 million for a one month extension of the Milk Income Lost Contract Program. Have I lost the audience yet, do you think? (Laughing) Low Income Energy Assistance is What LIHEAP is? Okay, what was that number on LIHEAP? Gosh, this list is huge. That's $640 million for Low Income Energy Assistance. I thought Hugo Chavez had taken care of that. Winter is over! (Laughing)

Let's see. Fifty million for Fisheries Disaster Mitigation Fund; $100 million for security at the presidential candidate nominating conventions; and $2 million for the University of Vermont. Plus, get this: $6.4 million for the House of Representatives Salaries and Expenses Account, and President Bush said, "I don't even know what that is." So you tell me, folks, that we don't have all the money in the world to run five wars at the same time. This is absolutely absurd. This is what's in the bill -- the Democrats Own Defeat Bill -- that was passed yesterday in the Senate that the president has promised he's going to veto. Now, this was the strategery all along. The president wanted to get this thing passed as soon as possible so that he could veto it, and then get going on it.The Democrats Own Defeat, With a Side of Sizzling Pork (http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/home/daily/site_032807/content/01125106.guest.html)

The RAT scum have no shame. And no doubt you support that, eh, liberal?

[HomeschoolrsRUs]

Oh no, Doc, you invoked the "R" name! You know s/he'll never take what you wrote seriously now. < choke, choke, cough, cough :smirky: >

[DoctorDoom]

Oh no, Doc, you invoked the "R" name! You know s/he'll never take what you wrote seriously now.It's tough love! :evilgrin:

[BuckeyeMike]

Lets see here, young pup. You seem to think Bush is going to veto the bill and cut off funding to our troops? No, Bush will veto the bill to avoid the forced surrender and devaluation of the lives spent to fight these faciast lunatics. He will also veto this so as to put the command of the military back in the hands of the Commander-In-chief and the military Generals and Admirals, where it belongs, not in the hands of Liberal, COWARD, TRAITORS. He will also veto this on the principle of all the PORK for the agriculture business that the RATS tacked onto it.

He will VETO this in the name of the COMMANDER-IN -CHIEF of the UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, and as a denunciation of the PORK that was added to profit and enhance some DEMONAZI's political career.

"Keep your eyes and ears open, and your mouth shut, and you'll be amazed at what you can learn."

"Thirst for Knowledge."
KUDOS BRO

[dPrasse]

Go back to reading comic books

Don't be silly ... comic books have far to many words ...

American Idle is more his speed ....

[BuckeyeMike]

All his coloring books must be done...better send his mommy out for new ones....shame too, he was just starting to stay within the lines!

[DoctorDoom]

While the kid awaits mommy's return, here are some diversions to keep him/her occupied. First, here's a little challenging reading to fill a few hours.

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And now some real brain teasers. Note to libs: they get tougher as you scroll down, so be ready.

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Don't thank me, kid. I'm kind to all liberals and other lower life forms.

[Beowulf]

What? Bush is going to veto funding for our troops? I say we impeach that troop-hating commie of a DemocRAT. Oh wait, he's a Republican, you say? Veto this bill and support our troops by cutting off funding! Hail the Commander in Chief!

And it is you who wants to force troops home and in effect, surrender, much like you did in Vietnam.

Now, Lefty, my question to you is, what is your solution? I see you criticize but don't offer anything else.

[cerebraldebris]

What? Bush is going to veto funding for our troops? I say we impeach that troop-hating commie of a DemocRAT. Oh wait, he's a Republican, you say? Veto this bill and support our troops by cutting off funding! Hail the Commander in Chief!

This inbreeding has got to stop!

[DesertFox]

:roar: This inbreeding has got to stop!

[DoctorDoom]

This inbreeding has got to stop!But then where would we get our future RAT candidates?

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<font face="arial black" size="5" color="brown">Support the Ozark Dueling Banjo Society</font>

[The_Elucidator]

Ok now I want a timeline on EVERYTHING the rats want pushed through.

I want the funding for the homeless cut if its not eradicated by 2008.
Aids must be cured by 2008 or the funding is cut.
No new funding for any project unless we have no federal debt.
All loans to third world nations paid in full or at least to date by 2008.
The UN must do something, ANYTHING worth a damn by 2008 or it out of NY.
Add what you please to the list.

How many Trillions with a (T) have the libs spent in the War on Poverty with no end in sight?

[The_Elucidator]

Way to go Doc! By the time our newest idiot figures out ALL the puzzles this thread will be listed in the archives. He/She/It probably has 3 of its favorite kollage profs working on it by now!

[BuckeyeMike]

How many Trillions with a (T) have the libs spent in the War on Poverty with no end in sight?


And not a penny of it theirs.....yours and mine!

[MrSanity]

How many Trillions with a (T) have the libs spent in the War on Poverty with no end in sight?Enough to force Americans into poverty, of course.

And speaking of deadlines, those suggestions aren't bad ideas.

How about this one:
Al Gore must reduce his energy consumption by 90% (still doubling the average American household) or we stop giving him carbon credits.

[DoctorDoom]

... or we stop giving him carbon credits.Actually, he buys his credits from Generation Investment Management (http://www.generationim.com/):

The Generation team of 23 people represents 9 countries, speaks 8 languages, and integrates traditional equity analysts with experts from the sustainability research field. Within the team, Generation has 12 investment professionals with over 80 years of combined investment experience.

Full biographies of members of our firm [PDF].

The firm was created in 2004 by six founding Partners:

> Hon. Al Gore is Chairman;

[snip]

Our Chairman, former Vice President Al Gore, has assembled Generation's Advisory Board which consists of global leaders and thinkers from capital markets, industry, sustainability, economics, and geopolitical fields. The Advisory Board plays an important part in establishing our long term thematic research agenda into global sustainability issues, such as poverty, climate change, ecosystem services, biodiversity, pandemics, demographics, migration, public policy and responsible lobbying.Generation > About Us > Team (http://www.generationim.com/about/team.html)

In essence, he's buying credits from himself. His hypocrisy is boundless.

And lastly: AlBore is a potential Nobel Peace Prize recipient.

OSLO, Norway Mar 29, 2007 (AP)— Nobel Peace Prize nominee Al Gore had a chance to impress the head of the secretive awards committee Thursday with his presentation on climate change in Oslo.

The former vice president turned environmental campaigner presented a slide show on global warming, also covered by his Oscar-winning film "An Inconvenient Truth," at a conference in the Norwegian capital.

Among the audience at the Oslo congress center was the chairman of the Nobel Peace Prize committee, Ole Danbolt Mjoes.

"I really have been wanting to see that show for a long time," Mjoes said before Gore's speech, stressing that he was attending "as a private person" and did not plan to meet with Gore. He was seated at the back of the room.Nobel Candidate Gore Speaks Before Prize Chairman (http://abcnews.go.com/Technology/wireStory?id=2992657)

The asswart is politicking with the Grand Poobah of the Nobels. He has no shame.

[cerebraldebris]

But then where would we get our future RAT candidates?


:rotflmbo: Where do you get those pictures?

[CONSERVATIVE HERO]

I made a shirt about this sort of thing.

http://www.cafepress.com/rwxgear.121211947

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[Timberwolf]

What? Bush is going to veto funding for our troops? I say we impeach that troop-hating commie of a DemocRAT.
I concur...Pelosi oughta be tossed into a pool of VERY hungry sharks. SHE is the one responsible for this reprehensible, pork-laden, miserable excuse for what passes for a "military spending bill".
Oh wait, he's a Republican, you say?
Nope. Pelosi is a Democrat. Bush is a Republican and it is his DUTY to veto this crap. Did you know that one week ago, Polooser had nowhere NEAR enough votes to pass this bill, but BRIBED enough Congressmen with pork to get them? Yup...comes out to $130 MILLION dollars per vote for each of the 218 enemies of America to get this piece of garbage passed.
Veto this bill and support our troops by cutting off funding! Hail the Commander in Chief!
Yes, hail to the chief. He's doing the right thing by making the dumbocrats in Congress out to be the treasonous bastards they truly are.

Now then, pop that face full of zits, wash your hands and have some more Kool-Aid, you putz.

[Shedinja500]

Amazing. It seems my posts are so good that almost nobody can respond without ad hominems. Though I do give credit to this guy for having the courage to respond:

Lets see here, young pup. You seem to think Bush is going to veto the bill and cut off funding to our troops? No, Bush will veto the bill to avoid the forced surrender and devaluation of the lives spent to fight these faciast lunatics. He will also veto this so as to put the command of the military back in the hands of the Commander-In-chief and the military Generals and Admirals, where it belongs, not in the hands of Liberal, COWARD, TRAITORS. He will also veto this on the principle of all the PORK for the agriculture business that the RATS tacked onto it.

He will VETO this in the name of the COMMANDER-IN -CHIEF of the UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, and as a denunciation of the PORK that was added to profit and enhance some DEMONAZI's political career.

"Keep your eyes and ears open, and your mouth shut, and you'll be amazed at what you can learn."

"Thirst for Knowledge."

I hardly support the massive amounts of pork in that bill, but the Repubs have been responsible for their own immense shares of pork barrelling, and Dubya vetoed none of it (remember the infamous "bridge to nowhere?"). Neither party has the moral high ground here.

And the Democrats are hardly Nazis; If they were, they'd be the ones calling for the invasion of random countries (well, a handful, like Lieberman and Clinton are, but they're a minority), for the persecution of minorities (arabs, gays, and athiests), and for death to dissenters ("traitors," as you call them). The censorship of free speech is the second clearest sign of facism, after the suspensions/cancellations of democratic elections.

And the generals can have fun commanding the troops without any congressional interference, but if they do, they shouldn't expect any funding. :D

Oh, but I called them Repubs, so I'm sure you'll ignore everything I say. :rolleyes:

And it is you who wants to force troops home and in effect, surrender, much like you did in Vietnam.

Now, Lefty, my question to you is, what is your solution? I see you criticize but don't offer anything else.

If we hadn't withdrawn from Vietnam then, we'd probably still be there. Besides, South Vietnam was a military dictatorship, no better than the communists. And don't come to me with cries of genocide, since over 5 million Vietnamese died under the Johnson administration alone (and I assume millions more under Nixon).

And the solution? Withdraw from all of Iraq except Kurdistan as fast as logistically possible, and give Kurdistan full independence, with American protection from Turkey. The rest of Iraq will already inevitably fall, so why drag it out and make the eventual collapse even bigger, while continuing to rape the national treasury?

As for Al Gore, though I don't see how he is relevant to this topic, I must agree; he is a hypocrite. That's part of the reason why I don't support him for president. Though I don't see why you don't; he opposes universal healthcare, supports nation building, is a hypocrite, supports tax cuts, he's a deeply religious Christian (baptist), and the list goes on and on. He's practically a Republican in disguise!

(P.S. 'ope I didn't... 'scuse me... did not use words too big for ya'all bac... backc... rural conservatives, 'specially Doctor Doom)

[Naturalized-Texan]

Modern American liberals are very closely aligned with their fellow leftists - socialists, fascists, Communists, and Nazis - so close that those libs have embraced the use of the Big Lie Propaganda technique that was originated by their fellow leftist, Josef Goebbels, Hitler's Minister of Propaganda. A PRIME example of that Big Lie Propaganda is AlGore's An Inconvenient Truth. Josef Goebbels would be proud of his student, AlGore, and he would have welcomed him with open arms into his Propaganda Ministry.

[DoctorDoom]

Where do you get those pictures?The Net is replete wth them, and I save whatever looks like it might be useful.

BTW, here are the banjo buddy's kinfolk, aka the DNC, Ozark Division.

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[DoctorDoom]

(P.S. 'ope I didn't... 'scuse me... did not use words too big for ya'all bac... backc... rural conservatives, 'specially Doctor Doom)So which wunna them fahn-lookin' RATs up thar is YOU, troll ... ooops, 'scuze me, I done mistook ya fer a human.

Here's the troll's photo, taken during his birth.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v349/DocDoom777/Strange/BS500.jpg

[The_Elucidator]

Amazing. It seems my posts are so good that almost nobody can respond without ad hominems. Though I do give credit to this guy for having the courage to respond:



I hardly support the massive amounts of pork in that bill, but the Repubs have been responsible for their own immense shares of pork barrelling, and Dubya vetoed none of it (remember the infamous "bridge to nowhere?"). Neither party has the moral high ground here.

And the Democrats are hardly Nazis; If they were, they'd be the ones calling for the invasion of random countries (well, a handful, like Lieberman and Clinton are, but they're a minority), for the persecution of minorities (arabs, gays, and athiests), and for death to dissenters ("traitors," as you call them). The censorship of free speech is the second clearest sign of facism, after the suspensions/cancellations of democratic elections.

And the generals can have fun commanding the troops without any congressional interference, but if they do, they shouldn't expect any funding. :D

Oh, but I called them Repubs, so I'm sure you'll ignore everything I say. :rolleyes:



If we hadn't withdrawn from Vietnam then, we'd probably still be there. Besides, South Vietnam was a military dictatorship, no better than the communists. And don't come to me with cries of genocide, since over 5 million Vietnamese died under the Johnson administration alone (and I assume millions more under Nixon).

And the solution? Withdraw from all of Iraq except Kurdistan as fast as logistically possible, and give Kurdistan full independence, with American protection from Turkey. The rest of Iraq will already inevitably fall, so why drag it out and make the eventual collapse even bigger, while continuing to rape the national treasury?

As for Al Gore, though I don't see how he is relevant to this topic, I must agree; he is a hypocrite. That's part of the reason why I don't support him for president. Though I don't see why you don't; he opposes universal healthcare, supports nation building, is a hypocrite, supports tax cuts, he's a deeply religious Christian (baptist), and the list goes on and on. He's practically a Republican in disguise!

(P.S. 'ope I didn't... 'scuse me... did not use words too big for ya'all bac... backc... rural conservatives, 'specially Doctor Doom)


I'm guessing a Freshman Philosophy Major at some crap kollage out west... Anyone want some of this action?

[DoctorDoom]

Amazing. It seems my posts are so good that almost nobody can respond without ad hominems.What makes you think that anything that you post here is worth more than an ad hominem? BTW, are your fellow fan fic kiddies along for the ride?

[DoctorDoom]

I'm guessing a Freshman Philosophy Major at some crap kollage out west.Maybe in a few years. First he has to get through puberty.

[Shedinja500]

Modern American liberals are very closely aligned with their fellow leftists - socialists, fascists, Communists, and Nazis - so close that those libs have embraced the use of the Big Lie Propaganda technique that was originated by their fellow leftist, Josef Goebbels, Hitler's Minister of Propaganda. A PRIME example of that Big Lie Propaganda is AlGore's An Inconvenient Truth. Josef Goebbels would be proud of his student, AlGore, and he would have welcomed him with open arms into his Propaganda Ministry.

You do realize that facists and Nazis are right-wing? What with their pro-corporate, nationalist agenda, and their support for the persecution of non-christians (or whatever religion the facists represent, but in Europe's case, it was non-christians)? And if you think Hitler's an athiest, remember that he persecuted athiests when he was in power, calling them all "communists."

[d'urville]

Troll, troll, troll. Is this the one you want?

http://www.freeconservatives.com/vb/attachment.php?attachmentid=1500&stc=1&d=1175297614

Happy now?

I'm guessing a Freshman Philosophy Major at some crap kollage out west... Anyone want some of this action?

Is the IP Malaysian?

http://p209.ezboard.com/Yugioh-Duel-Monster-Malaysia/byugiohduelmonstermalaysia29540

I just wish he's stop "hacking" wikipedia: http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=+site:wikiality.com+Shedinja500

[The_Elucidator]

You do realize that facists and Nazis are right-wing?

:roar: Again you can tell your prof that he/she is WRONG! Facists and Nazis are lefties, don't believe everything that you hear in the DBM!!! You are the prototypical kollage lib if I have ever seen one.

[Longhorn_Platinum]

Shedinja500:
You do realize that fa[s]cists and Nazis are right-wing? What with their pro-corporate, nationalist agenda, and their support for the persecution of non-christians (or whatever religion the facists represent, but in Europe's case, it was non-christians)? And if you think Hitler's an athiest, remember that he persecuted athiests when he was in power, calling them all "communists."

:rolleyes: Persecution of any group is LEFT-wing, which is what the NAZIs were. Dictatorships are all left-wing, as well, so again, you lose.

:moo: Okay, now watch as the FiSTed iDioTs have a cow over this post.

[The_Elucidator]

Troll, troll, troll. Is this the one you want?



I just wish he's stop "hacking" wikipedia: http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=+site:wikiality.com+Shedinja500

Holy Cow! I knew that wikipedia sucked before, but after seeing some of his work it now has ZERO credibility.

Funny how knucklehead said that Gore was a sellout but not a mention in the wik bout this he only badmouthed 'Pubs... Things that make you go hummmmm...well, maybe not..

[The_Elucidator]

Okay, now watch as the FiSTed iDioTs have a cow over this post.

As of this post there are 17 visitors listed on the board for this thread so somebody has linked us to a troll site...guaranteed! So expect a rush of the old tired lib talking points, and like poison ivy, it too shall pass! :thumb:

[DeclinetoState]

:rolleyes: Persecution of any group is LEFT-wing, which is what the NAZIs were. Dictatorships are all left-wing, as well, so again, you lose.

:moo: Okay, now watch as the FiSTed iDioTs have a cow over this post.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v349/DocDoom777/Strange/BS500.jpg

No cow, though there is a lot of bull here.

[Beowulf]

If we hadn't withdrawn from Vietnam then, we'd probably still be there. Besides, South Vietnam was a military dictatorship, no better than the communists. And don't come to me with cries of genocide, since over 5 million Vietnamese died under the Johnson administration alone (and I assume millions more under Nixon).

We withdrew from Vietnam much for the same reasons you want us to leave Iraq......politicians. The French start the conflict, get some help from us and then run while we're their. The whole thing started under the Johnson administration yet you seem to make the bigger blame under Nixon who inherited the war from Johnson. I suppose you think war is OK if the President is a Democrat?

And the solution? Withdraw from all of Iraq except Kurdistan as fast as logistically possible, and give Kurdistan full independence, with American protection from Turkey. The rest of Iraq will already inevitably fall, so why drag it out and make the eventual collapse even bigger, while continuing to rape the national treasury?
And thus surrender? That's what a withdrawal would be right now. But Democrats are good at that, aren't they?

[Naturalized-Texan]

You do realize that facists (sic) and Nazis are right-wing? What with their pro-corporate, nationalist agenda, and their support for the persecution of non-christians (sic) (or whatever religion the facists (sic) represent, but in Europe's case, it was non-christians (sic)? And if you think Hitler's an athiest (sic), remember that he persecuted athiests (sic) when he was in power, calling them all "communists."
Amazingly, you have just proven once again that uninformed people like you are easy prey for left-wing Big Lie Propaganda. Sadly, you don't even appear to realize that you have been brainwashed by the incessant Big Lie Propaganda spewed by liberal politicians and their willing accomplices in the media.

The ONLY reason that uninformed people like you believe that fascists ans Nazis are "right-wing" is that the Communist propaganda machine cranked up back in the 1930s and produced its own version of the Big Lie Propaganda that fascists and Nazis were right-wing when the truth was that Communists, fascists, and Nazis were all left-wing totalitarians who were bitter rivals to impose their totalitarian dictatorships. The leftist media and leftist pseudo-historians eagerly included that Big Lie in all their reports and history books. And you have obviously been brainwashed to believe that Big Lie.

In LEFTISM: From de Sade and Marx to Hitler and Marcuse (1974), Professor Erik von Kuehnelt-Leddihn details the natural progression of leftism from The French Revolution to Socialism to Communism to Marxism to Fascist Nationalism to National Socialism to Socialist Racism to what he calls "False Liberalism" - modern American liberalism.

BTW, your spelling mistakes illustrated above clearly shows that it's highly unlikely that you have progressed beyond Middle School, despite your claimed age.

[Naturalized-Texan]

Shedinja500troll: For your edification and education:

Leftism Is Evil
By Naturalized-Texan

Introduction

Historians and political scientists tell us that Communism under Lenin/Stalin/Mao, et al., Hitler's National Socialism (Nazism), Mussolini's Fascism, and modern American liberalism are all left-wing movements with virtually identical political and social ideologies. They all practice government control over the economy, over the means of production, and elitist control over people's lives.

They all practice racism, slavery, and genocide. They all have their own forms of propaganda arms and they all practice their own forms of censorship and they all practice mind control. They all persecute religion. They all keep the populace ignorant so that they are easier to control. They all have their own junk scientists willing to prostitute themselves to promote a leftist agenda (e.g., the global warming scare that is designed to promote world socialism under UN control).

Concentration Camps

They all have their own forms of concentration camps. The Communists had the Gulags, the Nazis/Fascists had the extermination camps, and modern American liberals have their inner cities. Granted, American liberals haven't yet placed electrified fences topped with barbed-wire around the inner cities, but they might as well have, since so few of their prisoners manage to escape. The Communists and Nazis/Fascists killed the bodies of their prisoners, while American liberals kill the minds and spirits of their prisoners.

Liberals force their inner-city prisoners to beg for government handouts and to live in fear for their lives in squalid slums. Liberals force the children of their prisoners to attend sub-standard schools where the main curriculum consists of drugs, gangs, guns, sexual promiscuity, and illiteracy. Liberals consider all their women prisoners of childbearing age to be little more than breeders who are given monetary incentives to produce ever-increasing numbers of welfare babies. Then, if a female prisoner dares to violate concentration camp rules by allowing the father of her children to live with her and help raise their children, the liberal prison guards (government social workers) punish her by taking away her benefits.

Education

Liberals believe that blacks aren't smart enough to compete, so they lower educational standards so that they (the liberals) can pretend that they can. That's pure racism. Even worse, liberals block every effort to improve the quality of education so that everyone can compete without lowering standards. I'm convinced that liberals do that on purpose in order to keep minorities poor and ignorant and dependent on government handouts.

Liberals do the same with Hispanics, but it's even more insidious because liberals believe that Hispanics aren't smart enough to even learn English, so they insist that they be taught in Spanish ensuring that they won't be able to compete in an English-speaking nation.

We conservatives are every bit as sickened by the horrors of liberal inner-city concentration camps as we were by the Communist Gulags and the Nazi/Fascist extermination camps. We conservatives want to free those prisoners who are suffering in the liberal concentration camps, but we know that there is very little that we can do to free them until we can elect conservative mayors, city councilmen and councilwomen, and school board members who will improve the quality of education in inner-city schools.

Liberal Racism

I have never understood why blacks retain their allegiance to the Democrat Party. Liberal Democrats have relegated millions of blacks to living on welfare, to living in sub-standard housing, and to sending their children to sub-standard schools. Liberal Democrats have forced millions of blacks to be slaves totally dependent on the government for handouts. In contrast, a Republican president freed the slaves, for nearly 100 years in the South, the Republican Party was the only party that allowed blacks to vote in primary elections and become party members, and proportionally more Republicans than Democrats voted for the 1964 Civil Rights Law. Without Republican support, the 1964 Civil Rights Act would never have been enacted into law.

In addition, blacks should be thronging to the Republican Party because of their tremendous gains under President Ronald Reagan. Under Carter, real median family income for blacks declined by 13.6% but increased by 15.7% under Reagan. That compares with an increase of only 13.8% for whites. The number of black families with incomes over $50,000 (in constant 1989 dollars) declined by 12% under Carter, but increased by an astounding 89% under Reagan. (Source: Bureau of the Census) Moreover, the black poverty rate under Carter increased by 5 percentage points, but declined buy 5 percentage points under Reagan. (Source: Bureau of the Census, "Poverty in the U.S.: 1990, August 1991, pp. 16-17

In his famous "I Have a Dream" speech on August 28, 1963, Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. said, "I have a dream that my four children will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the color of their skin but by the content of their character." Today, more than 43 years after Dr. King's speech, liberals still judge people "by the color of their skin," while conservatives still judge people by the "content of their character." Dr. King must be spinning in his grave over what liberals have done to his people.

100 Years of Leftist Evil

From the Lenin/Stalin purges, to the imprisonment and slaughter of Jews, Christians, and other dissidents at places like Daschau, Buchenwald, and Auschwitz, to the imprisonment and slaughter of Jews, Christians, and other dissidents in the Gulag, to the imprisonment and slaughter of dissidents in N. Korea, Cambodia, Castro's Cuba, and other Communist regimes, to the destruction of our Constitutional rights, to what former Sen. Daniel Patrick Moynihan (D, NY) termed the "dumbing down of America,"

Even worse, leftists have been the source of evil in the world for the past 100+ years. In the past 100 years, leftists of various stripes have been responsible for the murder of nearly 250 million - a quarter of a billion - people: Mao and his successors: 100+ million; Lenin/Stalin and their successors: 50+ million; the American Holocaust by modern American liberalism: the slaughter of 45+ million babies and still counting; Hitler: 30 million, including 6 million Jews; Saddam Hussein: at least 10 million; other miscellaneous Communist regimes (N, Korea, Vietnam, Cambodia, Laos, Cuba, Nicaragua, etc.): 10 million; and let us not forget the nearly 3,000 Americans who were slaughtered by leftist terrorists on 9/11/2001.

Economic Consequences of Liberalism

Anyone with even a microgram of compassion has to deplore the slaughter of more than 45 million babies in the last 30 years, but how many of you have given any thought to the economic consequences of that slaughter? I have thought of a couple:

1) One of the major reasons that we are forced to import manufactured goods is that we have been at or near full employment since the Reagan Boom began more than 20 years ago. We can't produce enough goods to keep up with the demand. Without that slaughter, we would have about 20 million more people in the work force with more than a million more being added every year. With that many more workers, there would be no real reason that we couldn't produce more than enough manufactured goods to keep up with the demand.

2) This one is closely related to #1). Social Security is on the verge of bankruptcy as, proportionally, fewer and fewer workers are supporting more and more Social Security recipients. If there were 20 million more people in the work force paying Social Security taxes and more than a million being added every year, there is no reason to think that Social Security wouldn't be solvent for many, many more years. Of course, I favor the complete privatization of Social Security, but the above is still a valid point.

Conclusion

There can be no doubt that left-wingers like Communists, Nazis/Fascists, Islamo-fascists, and modern American liberals have been and continue to be the sources of evil in the world.

[The_Elucidator]

Nice job NT...but this is completely wasted on somebody like ninjatroll! He/she/it will more than likely parse a few sentences with, "oh yeah well what about x, y, or z." Now if you could go into the future about 20 years when it hits its late 30's you might see the pot boiling. As it stands, all you will see now is a pot with still water with not as much as a bubble.

[Shedinja500]

Naturalized-Texanfacist: For your edification and education:
Rightism is Insane
By Shedinja500
Introduction

Throughout history, right-wing movements have had the same basic characteristics: Strict restrictions on individual liberties, bigotry, and short-sighted economic policies. Each has demonstrated a marked hatred of science and promoted ignorance. In each, the movement had a powerful nationalist wing which inevitably embroiled the nation in war after war, causing the deaths of millions, and ultimately, the prosperity of the country itself.

Every one of these has persecuted any religion that conflicted with their own, as well as atheists. Each has practiced fear mongering in order to take away civil liberties in the name of “security.” Each takes away the right of the people to protest or otherwise be “unpatriotic.” Last but not least, each practices horrifying levels of persecution and censorship in the name of “decency.”

How “Rightists” Restrict Civil Rights

Rightists have a long history of bigotry and a seemingly pathological desire to control the personal lives of its people.

Many rightists support stoning homosexuals to death, simply for being born “different” (ironically, many of these people are later discovered to be homosexual themselves). They call themselves pro-life and oppose abortion rights, considering killing a 1-month old fetus with no nervous system murder, at the same time as they call for broad use of the death penalty for the most trivial of crimes (note that I oppose abortion for a fetus of 7+ months old, unless the mother’s life is endangered).

Meanwhile, they support severely restricting what can be aired on TV or radio, in the name of “protecting the children.” To them, a woman showing a nipple on TV is a crime equivalent to murdering a child. For that matter, they back strict censorship laws banning TV shows from saying swear words, and banning “indecent” material from the internet. Meanwhile, they have led the charge to ban violence in video games, as well as any remote references to magic or “pagan religions.” Rightists have also fought to ban vaccines that could save thousands of lives, simply because they might “increase sexual promiscuity.” At the same time, rightists claim to support a free market.

Rightists have also often practiced policies rooted in xenophobia and nationalism. Throughout history, rightist governments have worked to severely restrict immigration, among other policies, like making it a crime to publicly speak foreign languages or giving minorities second-class citizenship. Even today, rightists have called for the government to send 11 million+ people to concentration camps in the US so they can slowly be deported (the survivors, anyway).

Rightists have also called for the abolishment of basic civil rights like habeas corpus, the right to a fair trial by a jury of your peers, the right to know what your being charged with, and the protection from warrantless search and seizure. Rightists have also worked long and hard to abolish privacy laws. The reason for all this, they say? Security. As Thomas Jefferson once said, “Those who give up a little freedom for a little security will lose both and deserve neither.”

Persecution of Religious, Ethnic, and Racial Minorities

Rightists have long called for the restriction of free religious worship, be it Muslim fundamentalists calling “Death to the Jews!” or conservative commentators in the US saying nontheists “should just shut up.” live on Paula Zahn Now.

Meanwhile, when the Supreme Court rules that official public prayer in schools is unconstitutional or strikes down laws banning non-Christians from holding a certain political office, rightists complain about being persecuted. They lamented this “judicial activism” yet cheered when the Supreme Court stopped the vote count in Florida and undermined democracy.

As far back as the Middle Ages, and to this day in regards to Muslims, rightists have publicly endorsed massacring innocents over their religion. In the Holocaust, Hitler massacred millions of innocents simply for being Jewish. He also rounded up millions of atheists, gypsies, and Muslims. After all this, rightists have found refuge in calling Hitler a leftist, ignoring his massacres of Communists and atheists.

Foreign Policies

Rightists have long advocated an aggressive, interventionist, imperialist foreign policy, with no care for the live of non-citizens lost in these enterprises. Whether you talk about Reagan, Hitler, or Bush II, the list is long and brutal.

Reagan repeatedly backed CIA coups to overthrow anti-American governments and illegally sent US funds to the right-wing terrorists in Nicaragua (oddly called freedom fighters by rightists. If they were freedom fighters, than so is Hamas). These actions resulted in the deaths of millions of innocents. To cap it all, he invaded Grenada, the 2nd smallest country in the western hemisphere, which presented less threat to the US than does the Great and Bountiful Andorran Empire today.

Nixon continued the imperialist madness of his predecessor, Johnson, in Vietnam. He violated international laws and attacked the neutral nations of Cambodia and Laos. In addition, Nixon backed the right-wing coup in Indonesia, installing a pro-American government that massacred over a million mostly innocent Indonesians (though admittedly, Gerald Ford and Carter helped continued the slaughter).

George Bush Jr. made a campaign promise to cease Clinton-era nation building. But, apparently, “9/11 changed everything.” He invaded and occupied a defenseless country (Iraq) that had already been ground into powder by a decade of UN sanctions and periodic US bombing raids, and did it without a UN resolution (making the action a war crime). He then completely mismanaged the occupation, resulting in 600,000+ deaths. He extended unconditional support to Israel, as that nation committed war crime after war crime, even vetoing nonbinding condemnations of Israel. He has also continuously ignored the Geneva Conventions, as well as the US constitution. To cap it all, he is already searching desperately for an excuse to start WWIII by nuking Iran.

These actions have made virtually everyone on Earth outside the US hate the US government. This will take time to permeate into their governments, but once the dust of elections settle, you can be sure the US will be just as isolated as, say, Iran is now. With no allies, the US will have to go it alone. They will have no support in the UN, NATO, the WTO, or any other organization. Nations will impose sanctions on the US. They will switch from the dollar to the euro. These actions will inevitably combine to cause the downfall of the US if the rightists prevail in keeping America on its present course.

Meanwhile, Israel’s war crimes, mostly perpetrated under right-wing governments, constitute a list that would take an entire book to list. But the basic gist of them are as follows. First, Israel has repeatedly reacted to minor terrorist raids by grounding entire countries, such as Lebanon, into powder (which ironically strengthened said terrorists). Secondly, Israel has continued to occupy the West Bank, Gaza, and the Shebaa Farms (with a 1 year intermission in Gaza), despite binding UN calls for Israeli withdrawal, a blatant violation of international law. Thirdly, Israel has continuously ignored the Geneva conventions and refused to give habeas corpus rights to suspected terrorists, detaining them for years without any trial. Finally, Israel has continuously colonized the West Bank, building massive settlements and inflicting apartheid upon the natives, and is even now building a “security wall” which would encase half the West Bank.

Last but not least, rightists have supported massive nuclear buildup. Both the US and Russia alone have enough nukes to make humanity extinct several times over. Deterrence is all well and good, but wouldn’t, say, 800 nukes work just as well? These massive nuclear arsenals have also proven very expensive to maintain, costing their owners billions that could have gone to, for example, social security or universal healthcare.

Economic Suicide
Rightists have long called for the lifting of the regulations placed on corporations. This has resulted in ever growing disasters.

In the US, deregulations of the credit industry have resulted in a disastrous credit culture. For the first time in US history, the average savings rate has dipped into negative territory (i.e. people are borrowing more money than they save). We saw what happened the last time when people abused credit too greatly; the 1929 stock market crash, where a domino effect occurred as people rushed to sell stocks they had bought on margin. This debt has reached a level even people in 1929 have been shocked to see, however.

Meanwhile, US public debt has reached nearly 9 trillion; roughly 60% of GDP (our annual budget is about 2.8 trillion). We have not reached such a height since WWII. This shows that the credit culture of fiscal irresponsibility has permeated even the highest levels of the government. Indeed, when we were finally beginning to pay off the governments huge debt during the late Clinton administration, rightists cried that doing so would “hurt the economy,” preferring that we remain enslaved to China and other foreign governments. It should be noted that 9% of our federal budget is spent simply paying for interest on the debt. With all that money, we could more than cut the federal deficit in half.

Meanwhile, rightists in the government actually created tax incentives for manufacturers to leave America. This has created a massive trade deficit. Meanwhile, the financial sector has grown to fill the void, and has grown a powerful lobbyist influence in Washington, which has worked to deregulate the credit industry even further. Our economy is now mostly dependent on the abstract trading of securities, the manipulation of money, etc., instead of the manufacturing of goods or technologies. This is reminiscent of the last days of the Spanish, Dutch, and British Empires.

In addition, rightists have called for the lifting of environmental regulations. The consequences could fill a book, but I will attempt to summarize them. Rightists have consistently opposed any regulation to prevent global warming. The results are already horrifying, as global temperatures have increased by 1 degree centigrade. Polar bears are rapidly dying out. Drought gripping parts of Africa are causing huge lakes to dry up. Australia has had unusually long dry seasons. Massive heat waves killed thousands in Europe. Powerful hurricanes and typhoons have grown more frequent, breaking records every year. Small Pacific islands and Asian coastlines are flooding, forcing thousands to flee their homes. As the Earth continues to warm, these disasters will only multiply and worsen.

Rightists have continuously slammed environmentalists for being “tree huggers” who “care more about animals than humanity,” ignoring that humanity is dependent on said trees and animals. As global fishing stocks rapidly run out, rightists have united in their cry against government regulations on fishing. As fertilizers and unsafe waste-dumps destroy our water supply, rightists fight long and hard to prevent any regulations on their use.

Rightists have also called for flat taxes, completely forgetting the fact that a rich man making millions can for more easily pay, say, a 50% income tax than a poor man. After all, when your annual salary is 10 million, isn’t getting “only” 5 million more than enough profit incentive? After all, 5 million is more than enough to feed your family and maintain a couple dozen mansions. But when your annual salary is $10,000 (about minimum wage), you can’t afford to give away $5000, or even $1000 for that matter, as you need it to feed your family. Flat taxes would put immense burdens on the poor, and undercut our federal budget. Even if you cut all welfare (excluding veteran’s benefits) and environmental protection funds from the budget, you still get a total of over 1 trillion dollars. Where would all that money come from? China, of course!

Corruption

Rightist politicians, be they Republicans or Republocrats, have continuously proved to be corrupt, and rightists have been fully tolerant of this. Corporate contributions to political campaigns is the #1 cause of corruption in the US. But do rightists support doing anything about this? No. Instead, they cheer when campaign finance laws are relaxed, and rally behind those that break them, like Tom Delay. Ironically, when Republicans are bribed into supporting a guest worker program or mandatory cervical cancer vaccinations, rightists lambaste them for being “liberal” instead of for being corrupt.

Science

Rightists have continuously waged a desperate war to erode our education system’s science branch. They have worked to include unsubstantiated theories of creationism in on an equal footing with evolution, despite overwhelming evidence in favor of the latter. They have tried to teach that the world is 6000 years old, despite foolproof fossil evidence that shows it is at the very least several million years old, and overwhelming evidence from radioactive dating that the world is roughly 4.57 billion years old.

Rightists have also interfered in government safety organizations. The Bush administration have ignored scientists in several ways. They’ve modified EPA reports to suit their agenda. The administration delayed the approval of the “morning after pill” for years despite approval from government scientists that it was, indeed, safe for distribution. They’ve used abstinence-only programs despite overwhelming scientific evidence that they are ineffective at silencing the human sex drive. Rightists have also worked to stop embryonic stem cell research (which can hardly be construed as baby killing; the embryos used have no immune system or resemblance to human babies), which has the potential to save thousands of lives. Last but not least, Bush have refused to allow the use of any foreign aid funding on birth control, sex education, or family planning programs, despite it being the only way to truly stop rampant overpopulation in Africa, which is, quite simply, Africa’s single biggest problem.

All these factors have recently combined to take away America’s long-held position as technology king.

***

I freely acknowledge that virtually none of this applies to libertarians (except the parts about economic suicide), and that not all conservatives are Nazis or close to them, unlike my compatriot who grouped Greens and Communists into the same category.

But I'm sure you'll just parse a few sentences and be done with it.


:rolleyes: Persecution of any group is LEFT-wing, which is what the NAZIs were. Dictatorships are all left-wing, as well, so again, you lose.


Like the persecution of homosexuals?

(And I'm sure that Augusto Pinochet was far left wing. :rolleyes:)

We withdrew from Vietnam much for the same reasons you want us to leave Iraq......politicians. The French start the conflict, get some help from us and then run while we're their. The whole thing started under the Johnson administration yet you seem to make the bigger blame under Nixon who inherited the war from Johnson. I suppose you think war is OK if the President is a Democrat?

Nice straw man. I never said that Nixon was more at fault than Johnson for Vietnam. Indeed, Johnson is more responsible than Nixon; If Johnson had started the Vietnamification, there would have still been time to salvage Vietnam. Sadly, he just kept sending in more troops, and then failed to run for another term, leaving the problem for others to handle.

[Naturalized-Texan]

Thanks for posting more of your Hitler-type Big Lie Propaganda. Adolph Hitler and his Minister of Propaganda, Josef Goebbels, would be proud to see that you have learned your lessons well at the feet of your fellow leftist and master propagandist, Josef Goebbels, and you would be a perfect fit in Goebbels' Propaganda Ministry. You once again proved how uninformed people like you are easy prey for Left-wing Big Lie Propaganda.

And, yes, Pinochet was a leftist because leftism = totalitarianism = leftism. It's impossible for any of us on the right to be totalitarians because rightism = freedom = rightism. The further left one travels on the political spectrum the greater the government control over people's lives, with Nazism and Communism being on the extreme left. The further right one travels on the political spectrum the lesser the government control over people's lives, with anarchism and libertarianism being on the extreme right.

BTW, you still can't spell.

Also, your Big Lie was a great April Fools Joke. :hahaha: :hahaha: :hahaha: :hahaha:

[DoctorDoom]

Response To A Liberal Propagandist, Part 1

I may skip a few points that shouldn't be dignified with a response, but ...

Every one of these has persecuted any religion that conflicted with their own, as well as atheists.Do you know WHY you're free to be an atheist in America, heathen? A: it's because of the freedom of religion guaranteed by our CHRISTIAN founding fathers. Pick up David Limbaugh's "Persecution" and see what religion is actually being persecuted.

As for atheists being picked on, when an atheist whispers, "I'm offended" and the powers that be line up to give him blowjobs and do his bidding, that hardly constitutes persecution.

Each has practiced fear mongering in order to take away civil liberties in the name of "security."And how many of your civil liberties have been denied to you, liberal? It's like this, fool: if you want to make phone calls to terrorists, don't bitch if they're monitored.

Each takes away the right of the people to protest or otherwise be "unpatriotic."And no doubt your concept of "patriotism" is giving aid and comfort to America's enemies, while demoralizing and endagering our fighting forces. Your kind is nothing new. Your treasonous ilk sold out America in Vietnam and you're obsessed with selling us out in Iraq. And you dare to call yourself a patriot?

Last but not least, each practices horrifying levels of persecution and censorship in the name of "decency."I don't suppose that you have actual, verifiable, objective evidence to support that anal assertion.

Rightists have a long history of bigotry ...And who is obsessed with viewing everything in terms of race, skin color, ethnicity, gender and "orientation"? Conservatives? No, child, it's liberals who gain and maintain power by racism, divisiveness and manipulation.

...and a seemingly pathological desire to control the personal lives of its people.Who wants to ban gun ownership? Who wants to ban smoking? Who tells people what they can and cannot think about queers and other politically correct "minorities"? Who is obsessed with denying freedom of speech to everyone but themselves? Who wants to drive God out of America and silence people of faith? Who defends the "right" of pornographers to peddle their filth, but calls first-graders in a nativity play a violation of the First Amendment? Who shouts down and harasses conservative speakers in colleges? Who destroys whole printings of college newspapers because they don't agree with what is printed? Who has created speech codes on campuses across the nation? Who believes that monolithic, uncontrollable, unaccountable government is the universal solution to every social problem?

Child, if you'd extract your head from your rectum and look around you, you'd see for yourself who is fixated on annihilating individual freedom.

Many rightists support stoning homosexuals to death, simply for being born “different” ...You are hereby directed to name them, you lying bastard. If you can't, you're gone. I've had it up to my graying hairline with your egregious bullshit.

...(ironically, many of these people are later discovered to be homosexual themselves).Has he missed any liberal talking points about queers?

They call themselves pro-life and oppose abortion rights ...There no "abortion rights" except as invented by those robed assholes of the 1973 SCOTUS in response to a court case that was based on a fraud. Anyone who claims that a woman has a "right" to murder her unborn child is unworthy of being taken seriously.

... considering killing a 1-month old fetus with no nervous system murder ...It's taking a human life, you cold-blooded barbarian, unless you can convince us that a "1-month old fetus" is anything other than human.

... at the same time as they call for broad use of the death penalty for the most trivial of crimes ...Oh, definitely! Why, I have ALWAYS supported death by slow torture for litterers, taggers and flashers. :rolleyes:

Is it possible for you to make any point without engaging in shameless, amateurish hyperbole and straw-man fallacies, collij boie?

... (note that I oppose abortion for a fetus of 7+ months old, unless the mother’s life is endangered).Color us suitably impressed. And while you're at it, tell us how often that is required.

[Beowulf]

Heya, Shedinja. Some observations:

Many rightists support stoning homosexuals to death, simply for being born “different”
I don't have a problem with homosexuals. I have a problem with them using their sexuality to gain preference in jobs, benefits or what have you.
I feel the same of ethnic minorities who use race for the same purpose. As it is, universities put aside test scores and hard work to give preference to ethnicity. If this is the case, me teaching my son that hard work is honorable is wrong and I don't feel that it is.

Even today, rightists have called for the government to send 11 million+ people to concentration camps in the US so they can slowly be deported (the survivors, anyway).

11 million people who are here ILLEGALLY! People whom you, me and everyone else pay for with taxes for their free healthcare and benefits, people who are fleecing our system and hanging a Mexican flag over our U.S. post office, claiming that this is their land.
By comparison, people who immigrate here from anywhere else have to fill out the proper paperwork, take a history class and wait 3-5 years before being granted citizenship. Pick a standard. Either we allow everyone in or ALL have to go through the process. I prefer the latter.

Meanwhile, when the Supreme Court rules that official public prayer in schools is unconstitutional or strikes down laws banning non-Christians from holding a certain political office, rightists complain about being persecuted. They lamented this “judicial activism” yet cheered when the Supreme Court stopped the vote count in Florida and undermined democracy.
This country has long championed the separation of church and state. I say do it for all religions and not just one. I hear of Muslims who feel that their children should be excused from school during Ramadan...and in New Jersey, it is being considered. I call that bias. Either allow it for all or none!


Nixon continued the imperialist madness of his predecessor, Johnson, in Vietnam. He violated international laws and attacked the neutral nations of Cambodia and Laos. In addition, Nixon backed the right-wing coup in Indonesia, installing a pro-American government that massacred over a million mostly innocent Indonesians (though admittedly, Gerald Ford and Carter helped continued the slaughter).

*throws yellow flag*
I notice you excuse Johnson, who basically handed an unpopular war to Nixon and committed the same crimes. Problem is, you Libs don't seem to have a problem with war so long as a Democrat is president, as evidenced by Clinton and Bosnia.

I'll debate more later when I have some time, like the economy. Back to enjoying my weekend with the Misses.

[Naturalized-Texan]

11 million people who are here ILLEGALLY! People whom you, me and everyone else pay for with taxes for their free healthcare and benefits, people who are fleecing our system and hanging a Mexican flag over our U.S. post office, claiming that this is their land.
Since he hasn't progressed beyond Middle School, I doubt that he even pays taxes.

[DoctorDoom]

Response To A Liberal Propagandist, Part 2

Meanwhile, they support severely restricting what can be aired on TV or radio, in the name of “protecting the children.”Before liberal immorality became rampant in America, such calls for decency were unnecessary. We knew that our kids could turn on the radio or TV, or go to the movies, and not be bombarded with foul language, nakedness and violence. However, once the hell-spawned, anything-goes "sexual revolution" of the 60s corrupted a beautiful, God-given means of human intimacy into a shameless, loveless, emotionless, passionless physical act with all the intimacy of dogs f**king on the front lawn, "entertainment" went into the toilet.

Whacking off while looking at smut might appeal to you, liberal, but society has no mandate to make it instantly accessible to you pathetic losers. If you want to wallow in sewage, it should be available to you, but you should have to go out of your way to get it.

To them, a woman showing a nipple on TV is a crime equivalent to murdering a child.And you want to be taken seriously, right?

For that matter, they back strict censorship laws banning TV shows from saying swear words ...And what purpose do "swear words" on TV serve?

... and banning “indecent” material from the internet.Wrong as always. What is necessary is basic responsibility on the part of the scum who provide sorry sots like you with jerkoff stimuli. Let them make it inaccessible without passwords or "adult verification service" logins. That way, you pervs can get your sick jollies while kids remain undefiled by the garbage.

Meanwhile, they have led the charge to ban violence in video games ...Isn't it interesting that the people who defend ultraviolent video games on the basis they have no effect on children are the same people who screeched about banning Joe Camel and Eddie Eagle because they seduced kids into becoming chain smokers and mass murderers? Isn't it amazing that the video games that kids play on the TV have no effect on them, but most of them have the video consoles and games because they demanded them after seeing ads for them on TV?

If TV has no effect on people, then explain the tens of billions of dollars spent on TV advertising every year.

The firm sees ad spending at the tried-and-true networks growing at an average of 7.1% per year to nearly $52 billion in 2010 and $48.8 billion in 2009. That's up from last year's forecast of 5.9% annual growth to $43.2 billion in 2009.Consultants see TV ad dollars growing 7% a year (http://www.usatoday.com/money/advertising/2006-06-21-media-forecast-usat_x.htm)

That's a lot of bucks to spend for something that has no effect on viewers, hey, leftist? Liberals are very selective about what they claim affects children on the tube.

... as well as any remote references to magic or “pagan religions.”So you're a Wiccan?

Rightists have also fought to ban vaccines that could save thousands of lives, simply because they might “increase sexual promiscuity.”And those were? Or are you pulling claims out of your ass as usual?

At the same time, rightists claim to support a free market.We do, but freedom doesn't mandate removing all restraints on decency and propriety just because sickos want to satiate their jaded tastes.


Rightists have also often practiced policies rooted in xenophobia and nationalism.Do you fly the UN flag at home, liberal?

I challenge you to validate your claim of xenophobia. As for nationalism, you appear to believe that it's not a good thing. But you're young. Believe whatever liberal bullshit appeals to you. Maybe when you grow up, you'll grasp the concept of reality.

Throughout history, rightist governments have worked to severely restrict immigration ...We SUPPORT immigration, if it's done through proper channels as it was for much of America's history. But you're too young and ignorant to know that there was a time when people who wanted to become Americans obeyed America's laws and went through the process willingly.

... among other policies, like making it a crime to publicly speak foreign languages ...Kid, you might try acetone to remove the superglue that has fastened your lips to your poli sci prof's buttcheeks.

English is the language of the United States. It is only because of liberal imbeciles that we must now press 1 for English because millions of illegal wetbacks refuse to learn our language. I don't give a shit WHAT languages they speak amongst themselves, but they have no right to demand that we must accommodate them by making governments and businesses multilingual. If they want to live here, let them learn English. If that don't to do that, send the sons of bitches back home. We don't need them.

... or giving minorities second-class citizenship.And you make another mindless accusation. Your "Aw, SHIT!" points are rapidly piling up.

Even today, rightists have called for the government to send 11 million+ people to concentration camps in the US so they can slowly be deported (the survivors, anyway).There are 12 million ILLEGALS (look up the word) rapidly becoming a crushing burden on the US economy. They take without contributing. California is seeing its medical resources all but collapsing because ILLEGALS are getting millions of dollars of "free" health care.

And you, good little kneejerk (or just plain jerk) liberal that you are, have sympathy and compassion for the ILLEGALS and f**k America.

You want to know how to take care of the ILLEGALS, liberal? Round them up, shoot them, and bury them in mass graves. They are criminals and they deserve nothing better.

And you can quote that to your fellow imbeciles at FISTED. Just be sure you spell DoctorDoom without a space.


Rightists have also called for the abolishment of basic civil rights like habeas corpus, the right to a fair trial by a jury of your peers, the right to know what your being charged with, and the protection from warrantless search and seizure.Your proof for that is, liberal? You're just a veritable fountainhead of brazen lies today. Are you afraid that if you post the truth, your fingertips will explode in white-hot fire and melt down your keyboard?

Rightists have also worked long and hard to abolish privacy laws. The reason for all this, they say? Security.There's a gaping hole in Manhattan where the Twin Towers and other buildeings once stood. Why aren't they there now? A: because the LACK of security allowed the terrorists to live amongst us for years, planning and preparing and ultimately carrying out their hate-driven mission of murder and destruction.

May you be the next victim of the monsters whom you support by opposing America's security.

As Thomas Jefferson once said, “Those who give up a little freedom for a little security will lose both and deserve neither.”At least get the quote right.

"The man who would choose security over freedom deserves neither."
-- Thomas Jefferson

"They who would give up an essential liberty for temporary security, deserve neither liberty or security. "
-- Benjamin Franklin

[dPrasse]

He definetly has no clue concerning reality ...

he missed the whole reality thing regarding the push for planned parenthood/legalized abortions ...

it was started by a liberal commie as a way to control black population in this country ...

Sanger's ultimate intention was to do away with all blacks. She admitted, however, that it might be necessary on occasion to employ a few, for appearance sake.

"We do not want word to go out that we want to exterminate the Negro population," she said, "if it ever occurs to any of their more rebellious members." (Woman's Body, Woman's Right: A Social History of Birth Control in America, by Linda Gordon)

In her "Plan for Peace," Sanger outlined her strategy for eradication of those she deemed "feebleminded." Among the steps included in her evil scheme were immigration restrictions; compulsory sterilization; segregation to a lifetime of farm work; etc. (Birth Control Review, April 1932, p. 107)

One of Sanger's greatest influences, sexologist/eugenicist Dr. Havelock Ellis (with whom she had an affair, leading to her divorce from her first husband), urged mandatory sterilization of the poor as a prerequisite to receiving any public aid. (The Problem of Race Regeneration, by Havelock Ellis, p. 65, in Margaret Sanger: Father of Modern Society, p. 18)


http://www.dianedew.com/black.htm

So much for "liberals caring for minorities and the poor " ....

[Longhorn_Platinum]

Teenage Mutant Shedinja Turd:
Throughout history, right-wing movements have had the same basic characteristics: Strict restrictions on individual liberties, bigotry, and short-sighted economic policies.

:idea: You're a right-winger?

:moo: Sorry, guy, but those are characteristics of left-wingers. Of course, they project those characteristics to right-wingers. Kinda like when Al Gore tried to steal the election, then accused Bush of stealing the election. So add "projection of character flaws" to your list, but remember to reverse the political poles.

Each has demonstrated a marked hatred of science and promoted ignorance.

:moo: It's not the right-wing that's promoting evolution mythology.

In each, the movement had a powerful nationalist wing which inevitably embroiled the nation in war after war, causing the deaths of millions, and ultimately, the prosperity of the country itself.

:rolleyes: Wars are started by left-wing despots trying to expand their power base, not by freedom-loving right-wingers trying to defend themselves from the despots.

Every one of these has persecuted any religion that conflicted with their own, as well as atheists.

:rolleyes: Gee, I guess that would explain all the buddhists & hindus rotting in American jails. (Hint for the clueless: That was sarcasm.)

Each has practiced fear mongering in order to take away civil liberties in the name of “security.” Each takes away the right of the people to protest or otherwise be “unpatriotic.” Last but not least, each practices horrifying levels of persecution and censorship in the name of “decency.”

:unsmile: The biggest promoters of censorship in the United States are those who subscribe to People for the [so-called] American Way. That, too, is a left-wing group.

:unsmile: And the right-wingers at this BB have thus far permitted you to post your mean-spirited drivel. I was banned from the Miss magazine message board for holding opinions different from the majority.

Many rightists support stoning homosexuals to death, simply for being born “different” (ironically, many of these people are later discovered to be homosexual themselves). They call themselves pro-life and oppose abortion rights, considering killing a 1-month old fetus with no nervous system murder, at the same time as they call for broad use of the death penalty for the most trivial of crimes (note that I oppose abortion for a fetus of 7+ months old, unless the mother’s life is endangered).

:question: How many is "many"? Because, I don't know anyone who supports stoning homosexuals. As for the "pro-life" point of view, I see no contradiction in supporting the death penalty for those who would visit death on others, while defending innocent babies. The pro-abortion wackos on the left would defend murderers, while killing babies. Now, that's a contradiction.

:unsmile: But, the left wouldn't think so, since they consider murder "trivial". (If you're any indication.)

:moo: Oops, you had me goin' for awhile, there. As I read through the rest of your post, I now realize that it's a satire. HAHAHAHA. April Fool's! Joke's on me, I guess. HAHAHAHAHAHA.

[DoctorDoom]

He's one of the biggest fools we've had in many an April, fer sher.

[dPrasse]

Response To A Liberal Propagandist, Part 2

At least get the quote right.

"The man who would choose security over freedom deserves neither."
-- Thomas Jefferson

"They who would give up an essential liberty for temporary security, deserve neither liberty or security. "
-- Benjamin Franklin

So much for his learnin' , eh ?
Can't get a simple quote right !

Spring Break will be over soon and he'll be back in his Grade School ...

[Naturalized-Texan]

So much for his learnin' , eh ?
Can't get a simple quote right !

Spring Break will be over soon and he'll be back in his Grade School ...
And he can't spell, either.

[Beowulf]

OK, Shedinja, to continue:

You speak of the economy under Republicans. Let's look at how Democrats do it, Democrats who say they represent the "working man." They're solution to everything is yet another tax increase....and not just on the rich either!
Every year property taxes continue to skyrocket, new taxes suggested, older ones increased and the tax list is endless. Nancy Pelosi has already stated she wants to re-implement the death tax, eliminate all of the Bush tax cuts and thus, give everyone, including "working people," a tax increase so that her Liberal friends can continue to draw welfare checks and have government control everything.

Nice straw man. I never said that Nixon was more at fault than Johnson for Vietnam. Indeed, Johnson is more responsible than Nixon; If Johnson had started the Vietnamification, there would have still been time to salvage Vietnam. Sadly, he just kept sending in more troops, and then failed to run for another term, leaving the problem for others to handle.
Strawman?:roar: You can't be serious? Anyway, like I said, the French were the start of the trouble in Vietnam and it was JFK who began sending military aid in 1963 just before his assasination. Johnson, a Liberal, just made things worse. As with Iraq now and Korea before that, politicians decided to do the fighting. We lost the first two. How bout shutting up and let the military do what it's trained to do....fight and win.

In short, you think the government should run everything, decide what's best for us all and get bigger.
I think we should empower the people, NOT the government. I will decide what's best for me and my family. After all, I live with them everyday, not any government official.

[Naturalized-Texan]

Shedinja500troll ignores the FACT that he and his fellow leftists have been responsible for the slaughter of nearly a quarter-of-a-billion innocent people since the beginning of the 20th Century. And that doesn't even include the tens-of-millions of military personnel who were killed in wars that his fellow leftists have started - e.g., WW I, WW II, Korean War, Vietnam War, Cold War, Bosnia & Kosovo, War on Terror, etc.

[dPrasse]

Great call N-T ...all of the wars in the 20th Centuary were caused by Liberal/Socialist/Commie/Democrats ...

[DoctorDoom]

Response To A Liberal Propagandist, Part 3

Rightists have long called for the restriction of free religious worship ...And no doubt you will include your proof of this nonsense along with all the other proofs that I have already demanded of you.

... be it Muslim fundamentalists calling “Death to the Jews!” ...If they were "rightists", why would you leftists so rabidly defend and support them?

... or conservative commentators in the US saying nontheists “should just shut up.” live on Paula Zahn Now.Source, please. Your word is infinitely not good enough.

Meanwhile, when the Supreme Court rules that official public prayer in schools is unconstitutional ...It isn't, except in the microminds of the God-hating leftists and atheists, to whom ANY mention of God is "offensive". And when the hell-bound pissants bitch and moan, the state must kiss their asses and trample roughshod over the rights of the vast majority of Americans who are not "offended" by a daily homage to God. Frankly, I've had it with pandering to heathens at the expense of America's Christian heritage.

... or strikes down laws banning non-Christians from holding a certain political office ...And the last one of those was?

... rightists complain about being persecuted.When they're right, they're right. But for screeching "UNFAIR!" and "PERSECUTION!" the leftists have us beat a million-fold.

They lamented this “judicial activism” yet cheered when the Supreme Court stopped the vote count in Florida and undermined democracy.You're doing double axels on very thin ice there, butthead. In no particular order:

• The RAT-ass-kissing media called Florida for Gore as soon as the polls closed in the EST zone, even though they were still voting in the CST panhandle, where Republicans hold sway. The blatantly obvious attempt by the MSM to suppress voting in the panhandle was never taken to task.
• The RATs called RAT voters immediately after the voting, telling them to protest that they were "confused" by the butterfly ballot that was designed by a RAT.
• RAT "snowbirds" voted in both Florida and New York via absentee ballots.
• Felons in Florida were illegally allowed to vote, and they were predominantly RATs.
• The RATs screeched about "disenfranchized" voters and blacks being prevented from voting, but no evidence of it exists.
• EVERY count showed Bush the winner.
• Counts by the media showed Bush the winner.
• "Chads" were found on the floors of the counting rooms. What does THAT suggest?
• "Dimpled chads" were counted if they were in Gore's favor, but ignored if they were for Bush.
• Ballots with no selection for president were counted for Gore if the other choices on the ballot were for RATs.
• The RAT-dominated Florida SC changed election laws in mid-stream to favor RATs.
• Katherine Harris, the FL Secretary of State, was demonized for requiring that state elections laws be followed.

The SCOTUS finally stepped in to stop the abominable RAT travesty in Florida. Had it not done so, the assholes would still be counting. And you have the balls to tell us that the right-wing "undermined democracy"? You leftist imeciles haven't the slightest regard for democracy. All you care about is power.

As far back as the Middle Ages, and to this day in regards to Muslims, rightists have publicly endorsed massacring innocents over their religion.And of course you will now enlighten us as to why Muslims are "rightists". This should be amusing.

In the Holocaust, Hitler massacred millions of innocents simply for being Jewish. He also rounded up millions of atheists, gypsies, and Muslims. After all this, rightists have found refuge in calling Hitler a leftist, ignoring his massacres of Communists and atheists.Ever wonder WHY we call Hitler a leftist, child? Nazi derives from Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei or NSDAP, a name that Hitler chose for his party in 1920. In English, it's National Socialist German Workers Party. Since when are Socialists rightists?


Rightists have long advocated an aggressive, interventionist, imperialist foreign policy, with no care for the live of non-citizens lost in these enterprises. Whether you talk about Reagan, Hitler, or Bush II, the list is long and brutal.You have earned the 2007 Supreme DumbAss Award with that anal comment. Are you getting your bullshit from the Daily Worker? You really DON'T have a f**king clue.

BTW, your ignorant use of "imperialist" utterly discredits your "education".

imperialism
One entry found for imperialism.

Main Entry: im·pe·ri·al·ism
Pronunciation: im-'pir-E-&-"li-z&m
Function: noun
1 : imperial government, authority, or system
2 : the policy, practice, or advocacy of extending the power and dominion of a nation especially by direct territorial acquisitions or by gaining indirect control over the political or economic life of other areas; broadly : the extension or imposition of power, authority, or influence
- im·pe·ri·al·ist /-list/ noun or adjective
- im·pe·ri·al·is·tic /-"pir-E-&-'lis-tik/ adjective
- im·pe·ri·al·is·ti·cal·ly /-ti-k(&-)lE/ adverb

Fact time, you idiot: if the US WERE an imperialist power, there would be an awesome, unstoppable American empire, because no power on Earth could have prevented it. At least research a word before using it. You might make a bit less of an ass of yourself.

I refuse to deal with the rest of your "Foreign Policy" fiction. I'll let others rip you a new rectum about it. In fact, I'll ignore everything else prior to science, inasmuch as I don't want to end up writing a book to counter the delusions of a liberal imbecile.


Rightists have continuously waged a desperate war to erode our education system’s science branch. They have worked to include unsubstantiated theories of creationism in on an equal footing with evolution, despite overwhelming evidence in favor of the latter.It figures that you're an evowacko. All atheists are because they have no other option. However, we have a whole forum dedicated to the pseudoscientific religion of evolutionism, where far more intelligent heathens than you have been skewered.

Short form: evolutionism is as "unsubtantiated" as creationism is, inasmuch as it is impossible to test by the scientific method 4.5 billion years of Earth's history (and no, I'm not a YEC, even though I am convinced that God could have done it all in six millenia). As for the "overwhelming evidence" for evolutionism, if you count assumptions piled on hypotheses heaped on extrapolations on a base of wild-ass guesses as evidence, then yes, I suppose there is evidence. However, child, logic, reason and REAL science blow your egregious myth out of the water.

They have tried to teach that the world is 6000 years old, despite foolproof fossil evidence that shows it is at the very least several million years old, and overwhelming evidence from radioactive dating that the world is roughly 4.57 billion years old.No matter how old it is, whether it is 6000 or 4.57 billion years old, there is no possibility whatsoever that evolution could have started with one primitive (and impossible) protoörganism and in that short a time "evolved" every species, genus, family, order, class, phylum, kingdom and domain that exists or that ever existed in the history of the biosphere.

Even your Wiccan magic couldn't do it.

Rightists have also interfered in government safety organizations.Ever had to deal with "safety" bureaucracies peopled by pencil-necked "public servants" whose raison d'être is to make life a shithole for business?

The Bush administration have ignored scientists in several ways. They’ve modified EPA reports to suit their agenda.Your evidence is?

The administration delayed the approval of the “morning after pill” for years despite approval from government scientists that it was, indeed, safe for distribution.Izzat so? Tell me, jerk, if you libs hadn't turned sex into an indoor sport for the promiscuous, there'd be no need for a "morning-after pill" because of much less "night before" bedhopping by scumbags who think with their dicks and trollops who spread their legs for anything with a boner.

They’ve used abstinence-only programs ...Abstinence works every time it's tried. The major objectors to it are the baby-killers whose livelihoods depends on murdering the unborn for profit.

... despite overwhelming scientific evidence that they are ineffective at silencing the human sex drive.Human forbid that kids should be taught to say no to random, profligate sex. The church of liberalism has two sacraments, amoral sex and abortion, and limiting either one is considered religious persecution.

Rightists have also worked to stop embryonic stem cell research (which can hardly be construed as baby killing; the embryos used have no immune system or resemblance to human babies), which has the potential to save thousands of lives. Thusfar ESCR has shown exactly zero promise for treatment of any condition as opposed, to 72 promising avenues of research for adult stem cells (as of last November).

Furthermore, child, ESCR is NOT illegal in the US, despite what the shameless liars who are indoctrinating you have told you. What is illegal is federal funding for ESCR. Nothing whatever is preventing privately-funded ESCR.

Why then do they need federal money? If you understood anything at all about economics, you'd know the answer: private funding is given only for those things that show promise of providing a return on their investment. It's capitalism (an obscene word to neocommies) in action. And what may we conclude from that absence of funding? A: ESCR does NOT promise any return, and therefore does not merit private underwriting.

• The major defenders of ESCR are the abortionists, who are looking for any justification for their trafficking in death. Abortion for providing ESCs is a potentially lucrative new direction.
• A constant supply of new ova is required for ESCR. That means the selling of their ova by women looking for quick money. The fact that there are medical hazards involved in harvesting them is irrelevant. Money anesthetizes consciences.
• For ESCR to provide any benefit whatever, the mountainous impediment of tissue rejection must be overcome. ESCR involves tissue that is foreign to the patient's body, meaning that either the match must be as close to perfect as possible, or the patient's immune system must be shut off. The former requires a huge supply of different cells to find a match, and the latter raises the specter of AIDS without the HIV. Either one makes ESCR untenable.
• Lastly and most significantly, the issue thusfar is research. Suppose that ESCR DOES find one or more conditions that it can treat. The emphasis shifts from research to treatment. This requires a far larger supply of stem cells than research needs. Where will THEY come from, liberal? Remember that the same issues raised about rejection will loom much larger when it comes to finding thousands or millions of cells for an actual treatment.

FYI, kid, read this:

In August of last year, President Bush approved the use of federal funds to support research on a limited number of existing human embryonic stem cell lines. The decision met with notably mixed reactions. Proponents of embryonic stem cell research argue that restricting federal funding to a limited number of cell lines will hamper the progress of science, while those opposed insist that any use of cells derived from human embryos constitutes a significant breach of moral principles. It is clear that pressure to expand the limits established by the President will continue. It is equally clear that the ethical positions of those opposed to this research are unlikely to change.

Regrettably, much of the debate on this issue has taken place on emotional grounds, pitting the hope of curing heartrending medical conditions against the deeply held moral convictions of many Americans. Such arguments frequently ignore or mischaracterize the scientific facts. To arrive at an informed opinion on human embryonic stem cell research, it is important to have a clear understanding of precisely what embryonic stem cells are, whether embryonic stem cells are likely to be useful for medical treatments, and whether there are viable alternatives to the use of embryonic stem cells in scientific research.

Embryonic development is one of the most fascinating of all biological processes. A newly fertilized egg faces the daunting challenge of not only generating all of the tissues of the mature animal but organizing them into a functionally integrated whole. Generating a wide range of adult cell types is not an ability unique to embryos. Certain types of tumors called teratomas are extraordinarily adept at generating adult tissues, but unlike embryos, they do so without the benefit of an organizing principle or blueprint. Such tumors rapidly produce skin, bone, muscle, and even hair and teeth, all massed together in a chaotic lump of tissue. Many of the signals required to induce formation of specialized adult cells must be present in these tumors, but unlike embryos, tumors generate adult cell types in a hopelessly undirected manner.

If a developing embryo is not to end up a mass of disorganized tissues, it must do more than generate adult cell types. Embryos must orchestrate and choreograph an elaborate stage production that gives rise to a functional organism. They must direct intricate cell movements that bring together populations of cells only to separate them again, mold and shape organs through the birth of some cells and the death of others, and build ever more elaborate interacting systems while destroying others that serve only transient, embryonic functions. Throughout the ceaseless building, moving, and remodeling of embryonic development, new cells with unique characteristics are constantly being generated and integrated into the overall structure of the developing embryo. Science has only the most rudimentary understanding of the nature of the blueprint that orders embryonic development. Yet, recent research has begun to illuminate both how specific adult cells are made as well as the central role of stem cells in this process.The Basics About Stem Cells (http://www.firstthings.com/ftissues/ft0201/articles/condic.html)

By golly, that sure does sound like intelligent design.

Last but not least, Bush have refused to allow the use of any foreign aid funding on birth control, sex education, or family planning programs, despite it being the only way to truly stop rampant overpopulation in Africa, which is, quite simply, Africa’s single biggest problem.Africa's problems will not be "solved" by US tax dollars. What it needs is violent overthrow of the dictatorships that hold it in the dark ages and keep the people in poverty, ignorance and ill health. I wonder who's going to do that. The "aggressive, interventionist, imperialist" United States", perhaps?

What makes you liberals believe that "birth control, sex education, or family planning programs" are going to do one tiny bit of good when the continent as a whole is still mired in the stone age? Do you really think that "safe sex" is the answer? Who's going to get all the money that you liberals want to throw at the problem? Will it go to those miraculous programs, or will it wind up in the coffers of the tyrants who run the countries with an iron hand?

NOTHING desired or attempted by liberals has ever worked. This won't be exception.

All these factors have recently combined to take away America’s long-held position as technology king.And that leads to the final question: what the hell does anything in your windy, ignorant post have to do with US technology?

[Naturalized-Texan]

Election Fraud 2000: How AlGore Tried to Steal the Election
By Naturalized-Texan

Introduction

Al Gore used election fraud and the liberal Florida Supreme Court in his attempt to steal an election that he could never have won legitimately at the ballot box. In the following essay you will find a few examples of the massive Democrat election fraud during and after Election Day 2000. These examples were all recorded contemporaneously. Information that I learned after the fact is written in italics.

Fraud on Election Day

1) In Democrat South Florida, certified Republican poll watchers were prevented from entering polling places.

2) Again in Democrat South Florida, legally registered Republican voters were denied their right to vote with no reason. It was learned later that most of those Republican voters were black and Democrat election officials denied them the right to vote because their voter registration cards were improper - they contained the word "Republican" in the party registration field.

3) In Miami-Dade, an analysis published the week before Christmas 2000 by the liberal Miami Herald showed that as many as 600 dead people voted in the election. The way that happened was that Democrats transported busloads of AlGore voters from precinct to precinct to vote in place of dead people still on the voter rolls. (An aside: Miami-Dade has a long and well-deserved record for Democrat election fraud. For political reasons the county attorney repeatedly refused to investigate and prosecute the perpetrators of that fraud. Her name was Janet Reno. Sound familiar?)

4) In all of Florida about 6,000 convicted felons illegally voted in the election. It's a sure bet that the vast majority of those felons voted for AlGore.

5) Before the polls even closed, the AlGore campaign hired a telemarketing firm to call 2,500 Democrat voters in Palm Beach County to tell them to call their congressman (Bob Wexler) and pretend that they were confused by the butterfly ballot and feared that they had voted for Pat Buchanan.

6) The liberal media were so anxious for AlGore to be the winner that they declared Florida for Gore before the Florida polls even closed. That had the effect of discouraging thousands, if not hundreds-of-thousands, of Republican voters nationwide to stay at home rather than vote for Bush. Of course, we'll never know how many voters were discouraged from voting, but it's certainly possible that Bush would have received enough additional votes that he would have had a majority in the popular vote and would have won the electoral vote without needing Florida.

Democrat strategist, Bob Beckel, estimated that if the networks had not declared Florida for AlGore before the polls closed in the Florida Panhandle, Bush would have picked up an additional 8,000 votes (others estimated that Bush lost between 10,000 and 11,500 votes in Florida because of the early call). Bush would have won Florida by at least 9,700 votes on Election Day. (Source: Bill Sammon, At Any Cost)

Before you ask: Yes, that was the same Bob Beckel who paid private investigators to dig up dirt on Bush Electors for the purpose of trying to blackmail them into switching their Electoral Votes to AlGore.


Fraud after Election Day

1) According to several sources, including the manufacturer of the Votomatic voting machine used in several Democrat counties in Florida, it is impossible to produce a dimpled or "pregnant" chad with the stylus on a single ballot using the Votomatic. According to those same sources, the only way to produce a dimpled or "pregnant" chad on a ballot is to stack 5 or more ballots on top of each other and press down very hard with the Votomatic stylus.

After the mandatory machine recount, the so-called undervotes, actually ballots where the voters decided that none of the candidates for president were worthy of their vote, were set aside for hand-recounting. However, it's obvious, based on the facts in the preceding paragraph, that before the hand recounts started, Democrat election officials took those "undervoted" ballots and additional unvoted ballots and fraudulently MANUFACTURED dimpled chads for AlGore in the manner described above. Then they proceeded to count them as Gore votes.

If you remember, 3 or 4 days after the election, a Democrat election official in one of those counties (Palm Beach, I think) was caught by police with a Votomatic machine in his car. It's clear now what he was doing. He was using the stylus on that machine to MANUFACTURE dimpled chads for Gore.

2) In the Broward County hand recount, the Democrat election officials fraudulently divined that ballots where the voters decided that none of the candidates for president were worthy of their vote were really votes for AlGore if the voters voted for Democrats in all the other positions on the ballot. That's how AlGore "picked up" more than 400 votes in that county.

3) When AlGore saw that he still couldn't win the election, he ordered his lawyers to sue Florida Secretary of State Katherine Harris to force her to violate Florida Law and the U.S. Constitution to allow hand recounts in certain heavily Democrat counties after the deadline mandated by the Florida Legislature had expired. Judge Terry Lewis (a Democrat) ruled that Harris had some discretion to allow hand recounts if there was sufficient reason under Florida law. Harris ruled that since there was no fraud or no machine failure, such recounts were not permitted under Florida law. Judge Lewis agreed that Secretary Harris should certify the election with Bush the winner.

But, the seven highly partisan liberal members of the Florida Supreme Court couldn't let Bush's victory stand, so they unilaterally stepped in without an appeal and prevented Secretary Harris from certifying the election. The Florida Supreme Court then ordered that the Bush and Gore sides present arguments on whether the election should be certified.

It was in his argument on this issue that Gore's lead lawyer, David Boies, lied when he claimed that the Illinois Supreme Court had ruled that dimpled chads should be counted in determining the intent of the voter. The fact is that the Illinois Supreme Court had ruled exactly the opposite - that dimpled chads should NOT be counted and to be counted, a chad must be hanging by at least two corners.

Naturally, the Florida Supreme Court violated Florida law, federal law, and the U. S. Constitution and ruled, largely based on the David Boies lie, that hand recounts in certain heavily Democrat counties must continue and set a deadline of 5:00PM on November 26, 2000, for completing the recounts and sending the results to Secretary Harris. Giving those counties such a short time to complete the hand recounts turned out to be a serious error committed by the Court.

Several days before the Florida Supreme Court stepped in uninvited, the Miami-Dade County Canvassing Board had announced that it would not be able to complete its hand recount before December 2, 2000. Consequently, that Board decided to discontinue its recount and certify the vote tally as of November 14, the original mandated deadline. However, the REAL reason it stopped the hand recount was that it was about to start counting the Hispanic precincts that went 80% to 90% for Bush and the Board feared that Bush would begin picking up votes. (It turns out that the canvassing board was correct. A review of all the Miami-Dade "undercount" ballots conducted in January, 2001, by the Palm Beach Post showed that Bush would have PICKED UP a total of 6 votes had the hand recount been completed.) Stopping the hand recount was a blow for Gore because he expected to pick up 600 votes in Miami-Dade. Gore couldn't let the Miami-Dade count stop, so he sued to force the canvassing board to resume its count.

After the Florida Supreme Court issued its ruling, the Palm Beach County Canvassing Board started its recount. However, it only worked half-days before Thanksgiving Day and did no counting at all on the holiday. Consequently, it was unable to meet the Court-imposed deadline so its recount was not included in the final certified tally. Then the Canvassing Board had the gall to complain that the deadline was unfair.

Since the Florida Supreme Court ruling clearly violated Florida law, federal law, and the U.S. Constitution, the Bush Team appealed that ruling to the U.S. Supreme Court. The U.S. Supreme Court unanimously vacated the Florida Supreme Court ruling.

4) On November 26, 2000, Secretary Harris officially certified the Florida election results with Bush as the winner. Naturally, Al Gore couldn't allow that to stand, so he brought suit to force the continuation of the recounts in Miami-Dade, Nassau, and Palm Beach Counties. Gore also asked the court to declare him the winner even though he had lost in every recount and Bush had been officially certified as the winner.

5) Dutifully, the liberal Florida Supreme Court ruled in Gore's favor by a 4-3 vote. In his dissent, Florida Supreme Court Chief Justice Charles Wells, a liberal Democrat, stated:

I could not more strongly disagree with [the majority's] decision to reverse the trial court and prolong this judicial process. I also believe that the majority's decision cannot withstand the scrutiny Which will certainly immediately follow under the United States Constitution .... I have a deep and abiding concern that the prolonging of judicial process in this counting contest propels this country and this state into an unprecedented and unnecessary constitutional crisis.
Chief Justice Wells was correct.

6) The Bush team had no choice but to appeal the unconstitutional decision of the Florida Supreme Court. Since the Florida Supreme Court (FLSC) violated the U.S. Constitution, U.S. laws, the Florida Constitution, and Florida laws, the U.S. Supreme Court had no choice but to intervene. The U.S. Supreme Court ruled 7 (Renquist, Scalia, Thomas, Kennedy, O'Connor, Breyer, Souter) to 2 (Ginsberg, Stevens) that the FLSC acted in violation the equal protection clause of the U.S. Constitution by ruling that the recounts should continue. Since that ruling came at the deadline for submitting the results to the Electoral College, there was no time for any more recounts, so the FL Legislature submitted Florida's electoral votes for George W. Bush, thus electing him president.

In his dissent, Justice John Paul Stevens severely chastised the Florida Court for not stopping the recounts and for allowing the issue to come before the US Supreme Court. Unfortunately, he couldn't bring himself to take the next logical step and vote with the majority.

A few months after the 2000 election a consortium from the liberal media including USA TODAY/Miami Herald/Knight Ridder concluded: "George W. Bush would have won a hand count of Florida's disputed ballots if the standard advocated by Al Gore had been used, the first full study of the ballots reveals. Bush would have won by 1,665 votes - more than triple his official 537-vote margin - if every dimple, hanging chad and mark on the ballots had been counted as votes.

Several other recounts were conducted by various consortia of the liberal media all of which concluded that George W. Bush would have won Florida.

We all remember that AlGore who fought desperately to disqualify legal military absentee ballots and managed to disqualify 2,400 of those legal ballots. (An aside: A Federal Appeals Court ruled that all those 2,400 ballots were legal and should have been counted. However, the ruling came after the Florida vote had already been certified and the electoral votes submitted to the U.S. House of Representatives, so those legal military absentee ballots were never counted. It's a sure bet that a vast majority of those votes would have been cast for George W. Bush.)

Ironically, the courts were not the major factor in Bush's election victory! Again: THE COURTS WERE NOT THE MAJOR FACTOR IN BUSH'S VICTORY!

The major factor in Bush's victory was Elian Gonzalez. Or, more precisely, the Clinton/Reno Gestapo raid to kidnap Elian and send him back to Cuban slavery. Algore's margin in Miami-Dade was 78,000 votes less than Clinton's in 1996 as Hispanics turned out in droves to vote for Bush. Ironically, if Clinton/Reno had allowed Elian to stay in Miami, AlGore would be president today.

Conclusion

AlGore showed us in Florida the lengths to which a megalomaniac politician will go when he sees power slipping through his fingers. He said, "I'll do anything to win," and he did. He lied, cheated, and stole in his coup attempt to overthrow a duly elected president. He lied by having David Boies lie to the Florida Supreme Court about the Illinois Supreme Court ruling on dimpled chads. He cheated by having his lackeys in South Florida manufacture dimpled chads as votes for Gore. He stole by having those same lackeys punch out extra chads to steal already recorded votes for Bush. Even with all his lying, cheating, and stealing he could never manufacture enough votes to win because the votes for him were never there.

[DesertFox]

You guys be wastin' time. Shinedinejad ain't even readin' what youse post. He's going back to FISTED and giggling with the other teenagers. You will not persuade him with anything you post, be it facts, fiction or lies; his mind is already made up.

Shinny, you best start making sense pretty quick or you're gonna find it real hard to post anything else here.

[DoctorDoom]

Thanks for reprinting that, N-T. I saved it for future reference.

[DoctorDoom]

You guys be wastin' time. Shinedinejad ain't even readin' what youse post.True nuff, but th