What Newt Would Do About Hostages

[noncom]

"I think there are two very simple steps that should be taken. The first is to use a covert operation or a special forces operation to knock out the only gasoline producing refinery in Iran. There’s only one. And the second is to simply intercede by naval force, and block any tankers from bringing gasoline to Iran… I would right now say to them privately, within the next week, your refinery will no longer work. And within the following week, there will be no tankers arriving. Now if you would like to avoid being humiliated publicly, we recommend you calmly and quietly give them back now. But frankly, if you’d prefer to show the planet that you’re tiny and we’re not, we’re prepared to simply cut off your economy, and allow you to go back to walking and using oxen to pull carts, because you will have no gasoline left.

- Newt Gingrich

http://corner.nationalreview.com/post/?q=YmM2YzNhY2JkZjI2YzIxYjY5YTU0ZjBkYjNjMzg1M2M=

Sounds to me like somebody's just a tiny bit more interested in protecting the interests of America and our allies than appeasing the liberals and terrorists.

[Shedinja500]

Yeah... Have fun when the world economy collapses after Iran mines the Straits of Hormuz, while firing off thousands of missles at Israel and our regional military bases! It should be great fun! But those turersts might just stop the pretty lights... Damn those commies.

[noncom]

Yeah... Have fun when the world economy collapses after Iran mines the Straits of Hormuz, while firing off thousands of missles at Israel and our regional military bases! It should be great fun! But those turersts might just stop the pretty lights... Damn those commies.
Just thousands of missiles? I heard that Iran had millions of them.

Seriously though; I'm not saying that mental retardation is a "bad" thing, but you can't always believe everything you see a dictator tell you on TV.

Nevertheless, this is an interesting view on things. How many other moonbats are out there, utterly convinced that America is helpless in the face of any two-bit Third-World dictator who manages to pull off a sufficiently flamboyant publicity stunt?

I'm guessing it's a lot. Propaganda is like any other form of advertising: as long as the story is repeated often enough, there are people born every minute who are ready to believe it. It's all the liberals and the media keep telling him, and the administration is doing little or nothing to show him any different; he sees nothing else on TV to teach him otherwise.

Of course I'm not saying that if we had some real leadership in Washington, guys like this would magically grow cerebella. But seriously considering their counsel (which Republican politicians all too often do) isn't just a waste of time; it's what leads to the terrorism in the first place.

[DesertFox]

:lol:

Boy, the noncom undressed Shinadinejad without even working up a sweat.

Shinny, you must too young to remember Saddam Hussein promising "rivers of blood" if America's troops went into Iraq in 1991. The flow didn't even reach a trickle. Then he tried the same line again in 2003 and his boys didn't kill even one of ours.

A-rabs (and Muzzies) use words the way liberals do -- to scare fraidy cats, to intimidate little kids and old women, to make nubile girls tremble so that boobies shake inside burkhas and pee runs down shapely thighs and calves. It's all displaced sex.

You can't tell, ever, what an A-rab (or Muzzie) thinks by what he says or even how he says it. He'll talk shit and sound real tough, just before he breaks down in tears and crawls on his knees to you, begging for mercy.

[DoctorDoom]

Yeah... Have fun when the world economy collapses after Iran mines the Straits of Hormuz, while firing off thousands of missles at Israel and our regional military bases! It should be great fun! But those turersts might just stop the pretty lights... Damn those commies.Yeah... Have fun when the world economy collapses after Germany mines the European shoreline, while firing off thousands of missles at England and invades Africa and our regional Allied bases! It should be great fun! But those Nazis might just stop the pretty lights... Damn those naughty guys.

If your claimed birthdate is accurate (which is very unlikely), you haven't learned shit in all those decades.

So what would YOU suggest, O Great Wizard? Should our foreign policy be dictated by what every f**king third-world barbarian MIGHT do if they don't like us? That's the standard liberal "answer" to everything, hey, chuckles?

"Oh, no! We can't stay in Iraq! Sheik Mohammad al Goatsassi of East Bumfukkistan might catapult camel shit into the Embassy. We'd better liplock on his aft aperture and ask what he would approve."

Do you (excuse the abuse of a word) think that if Iran had the "thousands of missiles" to fire at Israel, it wouldn't have used them? Imonajihad is obsessed with the destruction of Israel, partly to hasten the return of the 12th Imam and partly because he's barking mad. In fact, every towel-headed sheep-screwer in the middle east has that same undying passion, and has since May 14, 1948.

Look around in those medieval countries for a map that shows Israel. And read this list.

"This will be a war of extermination and a momentous massacre which will be spoken of like the Mongolian massacres and the Crusades."
--Arab League Secretary General Azzam Pasha, May 15, 1948, the day five Arab armies invaded the new state of Israel, one day after the nation declared its independence

"The Arab nations should sacrifice up to 10 million of their 50 million people, if necessary, to wipe out Israel ... Israel to the Arab world is like a cancer to the human body, and the only way of remedy is to uproot it, just like a cancer."
--Saud ibn Abdul Aziz, King of Saudi Arabia, Associated Press, Jan. 9, 1954

"I announce from here, on behalf of the United Arab Republic people, that this time we will exterminate Israel."
--President Gamal Abdel Nasser of Egypt, speech in Alexandria, July 26, 1959

"We shall never call for nor accept peace. We shall only accept war. We have resolved to drench this land with your (Israel's) blood, to oust you as aggressor, to throw you into the sea."
--Hafez Assad, then-Syrian Defense Minister, May 24, 1966, who later became Syria's president.

"Our basic objective will be the destruction of Israel."
--President Gamal Abdel Nasser of Egypt, May 27, 1967, nine days before the start of the Six-Day War.

"The existence of Israel is an error which must be rectified. This is our opportunity to wipe out the ignominy which has been with us since 1948. Our goal is clear -- to wipe Israel off the map."
--President Abdel Rahman Aref of Iraq, May 31, 1967

"All countries should wage war against the Zionists, who are there to destroy all human organizations and to destroy civilization and the work which good people are trying to do."
--King Faisal of Saudi Arabia, in a speech in Uganda, Beirut Daily Star, Nov. 17, 1972

"The battle with Israel must be such that, after it, Israel will cease to exist."
--Libyan President Mohammar Qadaffi, al-Usbu al-Arrabi (Beirut) quoted by Algiers Radio, Nov. 12, 1973

"After we perform our duty in liberating the West Bank and Jerusalem, our national duty is to liberate all the Arab-occupied territories."
--Jordan's King Hussein, Radio Amman, Dec. 1, 1973

"Yes, the existence of a separate Palestinian identity is there only for tactical reasons. The establishment of a Palestinian state is a new expedient to continue the fight against Zionism and for Arab unity."
--Zoheir Muhsin, head of the PLO Military Operations Department and member of the PLO Executive Council, 1977

"I have never met an Arab leader that in private professed a desire for an independent Palestinian state. Publicly, they all espouse an independent Palestinian state -- almost all of them -- because that is what they committed themselves to do at Rabat (the 1974 Arab League summit conference)."
--President Jimmy Carter, at a 1979 press conference

"There has been no change whatsoever in the fundamental strategy of the PLO, which is based on the total liberation of Palestine and the destruction of the occupying country. ... On no accounts will the Palestinians accept part of Palestine and call it the Palestinian state, while forfeiting the remaining areas which are called the State of Israel."
--Rafiq Najshah, PLO representative in Saudi Arabia, Saudi Arabian News Agency, June 9, 1980

"The struggle with the Zionist enemy is not a struggle about Israel's borders, but about Israel's existence. We will never agree to anything less than the return of all our land and the establishment of the independent state."
--Bassam Abu Sharif, a top Arafat aide and PLO spokesman, quoted by the Kuwait News Agency, May 31, 1986

"There are two different approaches in the Arab world: that Israel can be overwhelmed militarily, or that a military victory is impossible. The power struggle between Israel and the Arabs is a long-term historical trial. Victory or defeat are for us questions of existence or annihilation, the outcome of an irreconcilable hatred."
--Al-Riyadh, Saudi Arabia, July 11, 1986

"The establishment of an independent Palestinian state on the West Bank and the Gaza Strip does not contradict our ultimate strategic aim, which is the establishment of a democratic state in the entire territory of Palestine, but rather is a step in that direction."
--Salah Khalaf (Abu Iyad) interview with Al-Safir, Lebanon, Jan. 25, 1988

"This is the ideology of the PLO and of Yasser Arafat: To destroy the state of Israel and to establish a Palestinian state instead. They will accept the territories -- but only as a beginning, as a base for further attacks to conquer all of Israel. Why give them this opportunity to strengthen their efforts to attack us?"
--Israeli Prime Minister Yitzhak Shamir, U.S. News & World Report, March 21, 1988

"The armed struggle must continue, everywhere, against the Zionist enemy and his allies. ... We have no alternative but to carry out armed activity in order to vanquish the enemy and establish our state."
--Salim Zaanoun, Deputy PNC speaker and member of the Fatah Central Committee, in Al-Anba, Kuwait, Dec. 23, 1988

"The PLO will not stop the armed struggle."
--Yasser Arafat, June 6, 1989 at a press conference in Kuwait, Associated Press.

"The Middle East peace efforts have reached a stalemate. ... The PLO now has no alternative but to escalate armed struggle outside the occupied territories in support of the uprising."
--Arafat's number two man, Salah Khalaf, Jan. 22, 1990, Associated Press

"We will enter Jerusalem victoriously and raise our flag on its walls. ... We will fight you (the Israelis) with stones, rifles, and 'El-Abed' (the Iraqi missile)..."
--Yasser Arafat, reported by the Associated Press, March 29, 1990, at the start of the Gulf War

"In the name of Allah, we shall cause fire to devour half of Israel. ..."
--Iraqi News Agency, April 2, 1990

"We say to the brother and leader Saddam Hussein -- go forward with God's blessing."
--Yasser Arafat, the next day, Iraqi News Agency, April 3, 1990

The list stops at 1990. The seething, implacable hatred of the Ay-rabs for Israel and the Jews continues unabated as of this writing. And your great "solution" is to suck up to those savages who loathe us and are fixated on annihilating Israel because not doing so will cause them to loathe us and be fixated on annihilating Israel. Golly gee whiz, we can't have THAT!

Re the mining of the Strait of Hormuz, has it occured to your little liberal mind that a naval blockade works both ways?

"Admiral, we have an Iranian military vessel requesting access to the Strait."
"What's their intention?"
"They said they want to drop mines in the Strait."
"Okay, that's harmless. Let it through, but put an observor on board to be sure that's all they're doing. We don't want it going for gasoline."

BTW, don't lock your door tonight. It might annoy the burglars and make them want to break into your house and rip off all your shit (and maybe rape and kill your wife and kids because locking your doors annoyed them).

[noncom]

Shinny, you must too young to remember Saddam Hussein promising "rivers of blood" if America's troops went into Iraq in 1991. The flow didn't even reach a trickle. Then he tried the same line again in 2003 and his boys didn't kill even one of ours.
Or Muammar al-Gaddafi's aptly-named "Line of Death:" the first step in Libya's attempt to re-claim Tripoli's ancient piracy rights over the
Mediterranean Ocean that America thought it had permanently destroyed in the Barbary Wars 200 years earlier. The line held like a steel wall throughout the Carter administration -- and then popped like a soap bubble once we got a President who wasn't afraid of his own shadow.

Piracy and kidnaping isn't a "misunderstanding." It's terrorism. And we live in a world where not even a little bit of that can ever again be tolerated again.

No matter how incompetent an opponent appears, every armed conflict always involves risk. But any risk - whether tiny or gigantic - is ALWAYS better than the slow suicide of appeasement.

The liberal media is always working overtime to portray the conflict between barbarism and civilization as an inconsequential "difference of opinion" - something that can be solved by a few words; if only we could just figure out a sufficiently polite way to say them. And the moonbats have no reason to doubt this: they don't need to use violence to defend themselves from pirates on the way to the mall and back, so they have no frame of reference to make them suspect that there might be another world out there.

Children - especially overaged children - are always going to have a perception of the world that is drastically limited. The only danger is when we start taking their infantile nonsense seriously.

[DesertFox]

Dude, you got my vote for Poster of the Month.

[Shedinja500]

Yeah... Have fun when the world economy collapses after Germany mines the European shoreline, while firing off thousands of missles at England and invades Africa and our regional Allied bases! It should be great fun! But those Nazis might just stop the pretty lights... Damn those naughty guys.

If your claimed birthdate is accurate (which is very unlikely), you haven't learned shit in all those decades.

So what would YOU suggest, O Great Wizard? Should our foreign policy be dictated by what every f**king third-world barbarian MIGHT do if they don't like us? That's the standard liberal "answer" to everything, hey, chuckles?

"Oh, no! We can't stay in Iraq! Sheik Mohammad al Goatsassi of East Bumfukkistan might catapult camel shit into the Embassy. We'd better liplock on his aft aperture and ask what he would approve."

Do you (excuse the abuse of a word) think that if Iran had the "thousands of missiles" to fire at Israel, it wouldn't have used them? Imonajihad is obsessed with the destruction of Israel, partly to hasten the return of the 12th Imam and partly because he's barking mad. In fact, every towel-headed sheep-screwer in the middle east has that same undying passion, and has since May 14, 1948.

Look around in those medieval countries for a map that shows Israel. And read this list.

"This will be a war of extermination and a momentous massacre which will be spoken of like the Mongolian massacres and the Crusades."
--Arab League Secretary General Azzam Pasha, May 15, 1948, the day five Arab armies invaded the new state of Israel, one day after the nation declared its independence

"The Arab nations should sacrifice up to 10 million of their 50 million people, if necessary, to wipe out Israel ... Israel to the Arab world is like a cancer to the human body, and the only way of remedy is to uproot it, just like a cancer."
--Saud ibn Abdul Aziz, King of Saudi Arabia, Associated Press, Jan. 9, 1954

"I announce from here, on behalf of the United Arab Republic people, that this time we will exterminate Israel."
--President Gamal Abdel Nasser of Egypt, speech in Alexandria, July 26, 1959

"We shall never call for nor accept peace. We shall only accept war. We have resolved to drench this land with your (Israel's) blood, to oust you as aggressor, to throw you into the sea."
--Hafez Assad, then-Syrian Defense Minister, May 24, 1966, who later became Syria's president.

"Our basic objective will be the destruction of Israel."
--President Gamal Abdel Nasser of Egypt, May 27, 1967, nine days before the start of the Six-Day War.

"The existence of Israel is an error which must be rectified. This is our opportunity to wipe out the ignominy which has been with us since 1948. Our goal is clear -- to wipe Israel off the map."
--President Abdel Rahman Aref of Iraq, May 31, 1967

"All countries should wage war against the Zionists, who are there to destroy all human organizations and to destroy civilization and the work which good people are trying to do."
--King Faisal of Saudi Arabia, in a speech in Uganda, Beirut Daily Star, Nov. 17, 1972

"The battle with Israel must be such that, after it, Israel will cease to exist."
--Libyan President Mohammar Qadaffi, al-Usbu al-Arrabi (Beirut) quoted by Algiers Radio, Nov. 12, 1973

"After we perform our duty in liberating the West Bank and Jerusalem, our national duty is to liberate all the Arab-occupied territories."
--Jordan's King Hussein, Radio Amman, Dec. 1, 1973

"Yes, the existence of a separate Palestinian identity is there only for tactical reasons. The establishment of a Palestinian state is a new expedient to continue the fight against Zionism and for Arab unity."
--Zoheir Muhsin, head of the PLO Military Operations Department and member of the PLO Executive Council, 1977

"I have never met an Arab leader that in private professed a desire for an independent Palestinian state. Publicly, they all espouse an independent Palestinian state -- almost all of them -- because that is what they committed themselves to do at Rabat (the 1974 Arab League summit conference)."
--President Jimmy Carter, at a 1979 press conference

"There has been no change whatsoever in the fundamental strategy of the PLO, which is based on the total liberation of Palestine and the destruction of the occupying country. ... On no accounts will the Palestinians accept part of Palestine and call it the Palestinian state, while forfeiting the remaining areas which are called the State of Israel."
--Rafiq Najshah, PLO representative in Saudi Arabia, Saudi Arabian News Agency, June 9, 1980

"The struggle with the Zionist enemy is not a struggle about Israel's borders, but about Israel's existence. We will never agree to anything less than the return of all our land and the establishment of the independent state."
--Bassam Abu Sharif, a top Arafat aide and PLO spokesman, quoted by the Kuwait News Agency, May 31, 1986

"There are two different approaches in the Arab world: that Israel can be overwhelmed militarily, or that a military victory is impossible. The power struggle between Israel and the Arabs is a long-term historical trial. Victory or defeat are for us questions of existence or annihilation, the outcome of an irreconcilable hatred."
--Al-Riyadh, Saudi Arabia, July 11, 1986

"The establishment of an independent Palestinian state on the West Bank and the Gaza Strip does not contradict our ultimate strategic aim, which is the establishment of a democratic state in the entire territory of Palestine, but rather is a step in that direction."
--Salah Khalaf (Abu Iyad) interview with Al-Safir, Lebanon, Jan. 25, 1988

"This is the ideology of the PLO and of Yasser Arafat: To destroy the state of Israel and to establish a Palestinian state instead. They will accept the territories -- but only as a beginning, as a base for further attacks to conquer all of Israel. Why give them this opportunity to strengthen their efforts to attack us?"
--Israeli Prime Minister Yitzhak Shamir, U.S. News & World Report, March 21, 1988

"The armed struggle must continue, everywhere, against the Zionist enemy and his allies. ... We have no alternative but to carry out armed activity in order to vanquish the enemy and establish our state."
--Salim Zaanoun, Deputy PNC speaker and member of the Fatah Central Committee, in Al-Anba, Kuwait, Dec. 23, 1988

"The PLO will not stop the armed struggle."
--Yasser Arafat, June 6, 1989 at a press conference in Kuwait, Associated Press.

"The Middle East peace efforts have reached a stalemate. ... The PLO now has no alternative but to escalate armed struggle outside the occupied territories in support of the uprising."
--Arafat's number two man, Salah Khalaf, Jan. 22, 1990, Associated Press

"We will enter Jerusalem victoriously and raise our flag on its walls. ... We will fight you (the Israelis) with stones, rifles, and 'El-Abed' (the Iraqi missile)..."
--Yasser Arafat, reported by the Associated Press, March 29, 1990, at the start of the Gulf War

"In the name of Allah, we shall cause fire to devour half of Israel. ..."
--Iraqi News Agency, April 2, 1990

"We say to the brother and leader Saddam Hussein -- go forward with God's blessing."
--Yasser Arafat, the next day, Iraqi News Agency, April 3, 1990

The list stops at 1990. The seething, implacable hatred of the Ay-rabs for Israel and the Jews continues unabated as of this writing. And your great "solution" is to suck up to those savages who loathe us and are fixated on annihilating Israel because not doing so will cause them to loathe us and be fixated on annihilating Israel. Golly gee whiz, we can't have THAT!

Re the mining of the Strait of Hormuz, has it occured to your little liberal mind that a naval blockade works both ways?

"Admiral, we have an Iranian military vessel requesting access to the Strait."
"What's their intention?"
"They said they want to drop mines in the Strait."
"Okay, that's harmless. Let it through, but put an observor on board to be sure that's all they're doing. We don't want it going for gasoline."

BTW, don't lock your door tonight. It might annoy the burglars and make them want to break into your house and rip off all your shit (and maybe rape and kill your wife and kids because locking your doors annoyed them).

Those damn sand niggers! Lets massacre them all! They will all perish for their calls to massacre Jews! :roar:

Tell me, how is your deliberate reference to them as "Ay-rabs" and your reference to them as "savages" who can't be negotiated with any different from what they are doing? You are combating racism with racism. This solves nothing and inevitably leads to more violence.

And yes, my birthday is indeed incorrect. I see little need to provide my personal information online. However, I don't see how this is relevent to the debate.

As for mining the straits, I have a feeling they'd be a tad bit more... covert and forceful, to put it lightly.

And do you really think that the wait for the 12th Imam is any different than the wait for the Resurrection of Jesus Christ?

See you at the Klu Klux Klan rally tommorow!:rolleyes:

[DoctorDoom]

Tell me, how is your deliberate reference to them as "Ay-rabs" and your reference to them as "savages" who can't be negotiated with any different from what they are doing.Me:

"The seething, implacable hatred of the Ay-rabs for Israel and the Jews continues unabated as of this writing." (words in a BB post)

Them:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v349/DocDoom777/WTC/WTC-1.jpg

Liberal moral equivalence is a wonderful thing. :rolleyes:

You are combating racism with racism.So what race are Ay-rabs/Muslims?

This solves nothing and inevitably leads to more violence.Who started the violence, liberal?

<img src="http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v349/DocDoom777/WCFields.jpg" />

[dPrasse]

Tell me, how is your deliberate reference to them as "Ay-rabs" and your reference to them as "savages" who can't be negotiated with any different from what they are doing. You are combating racism with racism. This solves nothing and inevitably leads to more violence.

Must be Spring Break somewhere ... another skull full of mush babling about a topic he/she is completely ignorant ...

Too much American Idle , not enough learnin' ...

[Suzie]

The Iranians remember Jimmy Carter, and they see the democrats now are the same as he was. So they will try and do whatever they can get away with while the liberals keep trying to "talk" to them and the Iranians laugh in their face.

[DoctorDoom]

Obviously either DUh or FISTED is sending its deep thinkers here again. Oy!

[HomeschoolrsRUs]

Obviously either DUh or FISTED is sending its deep thinkers here again. Oy!

I think this one came from Duh, actually.

Wait ... did s/he leave because s/he got found out?

[dPrasse]

The Iranians remember Jimmy Carter, and they see the democrats now are the same as he was. So they will try and do whatever they can get away with while the liberals keep trying to "talk" to them and the Iranians laugh in their face.

That is EXACTLY what our enemies , the Democrats , are doing ... they are selling out the US troops and the American people for a bunch of pork spending ...

They pass a bill they know has no chance of getting past a veto , right before they give themselves a Spring break ....

so , while they (congress critters)are patting each other on the back and stuffing their fat asses with food , the money for our troops dwindles and the attacks intensify against our troops , trying to break our will to beat the camel humping terrorists ... ...


Shameless bastards , the whole lot ...

[noncom]

Tell me, how is your deliberate reference to them as "Ay-rabs" and your reference to them as "savages" who can't be negotiated with any different from what they are doing. Me: "The seething, implacable hatred of the Ay-rabs for Israel and the Jews continues unabated as of this writing." (words in a BB post)

Them: [BOOM!]
Libtard: But don't you SEE? That's why the Iranian government kidnapped the British sailors -- because you don't respect Persons of Middle Eastern Persuasion and Allah Most High nearly as much as you ought to. It all makes perfect sense.

Libtard-Logical Conclusion: Ergo, attacking Iran over this incident is exactly the same thing as attacking them because you don't respect their race; which is a religion; or vice a versa... Or something like that.

...Well, anyway, it's just plan BAD!

[DoctorDoom]

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It writes "fan fiction" (http://www.godawful.net/index.htm), a genre of egregiously bad prose unfondly known as "Mary Sue" or "Marty Stu" by true SF fen.

Shedinja500
Member
Posts: 2
(11/16/03 10:21 am)

Reply - Chapter 4: The Alternate Reality(part 3)

As he reached his grandpa's gameshop, he saw Tea, Maximillion, Kiaba, and Triston enter.

"Hello, Maximillion, Triston, Seto, and Tea!" said Grandpa's voice. "Hi, Grandpa!" said Pegasus's voice. "Seto, how's your sister, Sereneti, doing?" asked Grandpa's voice. "She's doing great." said Kaiba's voice.

Yugi was confused, so he took off toward Kiaba Corp, still hidden in shadows.

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Shedinja500
Member
Posts: 3
(11/17/03 5:03 pm)

Reply - Chapter 5: Wheeler Corp???

When Yugi reached Kiaba Corp., he sneeked to the door of Kiaba's experiments building then entered the password he had previously seen Mokuba use on another building. Thankfully, it worked.

Yugi then entered the building, and sneaked up to Kiaba's office. In it was a chair with a figure on it, no doubt Kiaba. The seat swiveled around.

On it sat Joey.

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Shedinja500
Member
Posts: 6
(1/29/04 2:56 pm)

Reply - Ch. 6: Seto Wheeler

"Joey?" question Yugi.

"Pegasus!" Wheeler roared.

"What?"

"Get out of my office! And how dare you give call me by the name of Maximilion's pothetic friend!"

"But you are Joey."

"Have you lost your mind? I'm Seto Wheeler!"Duelist of the Shadows (http://p214.ezboard.com/Duelist-of-the-Shadows/fprojectyugiohfrm7.showMessage?topicID=37.topic)

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Doom's Law #11: Never post something on the Internet that you don't want the world to know.

So much for credibility. If the troll is older than 16, it would be amazing.

[d'urville]

Okay, that was pretty bad, in particular, the dialogue. Too stilted. I have no idea how old he told you he was, he sounds nineteen, tops.

His writing on political issues is even more....uncreative. This is Shen on what he'd do with the money now being spent in Iraq:


Green energy subsidies, stem cell research, and the space program.

And maybe some bribes to push through a bill allowing competition between public schools.


On whether the burka ban in the Netherlands was a good idea or not:


Quote:
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I think that the broader question is whether or not Islam is compatible with the west at all.

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No. The broader question is whether any of the Abrahamic religions at all are compatible with the west.


His reaction to this quote by the Pope:

"There is a real problem about the teaching of the Koran on violence against the infidel. That existed in the 14th century, and was demonstrated on 9/11, 2001. There is every reason to discuss it. I am more afraid of silence than offence."

Yes. However, said quote would be just as true if he were talking about Christianity. It seems the Pope has never heard of the Crusades

On the moral issue of abortion:


It is immoral if the embryo has developed as a thinking being. Otherwise, it is not yet a human. This means that, if abortion is immoral, it is only near the end of pregnancy, soon before birth.

I'm not touching that one.

[noncom]

Okay, that was pretty bad, in particular, the dialogue. Too stilted.
If it's supposed to be (and I can only guess about this) Anime, then I think that's the way a lot of the cartoons sound: atrociously translated Japanese dialogue.

So it turns out he's just mindlessly aping everything he sees on the boob tube. Imagine that! You could knock me over with a feather right about now.

[d'urville]

Soembody needs to throw a book at him.

If it's supposed to be (and I can only guess about this) Anime, then I think that's the way a lot of the cartoons sound: atrociously translated Japanese dialogue.

So he's just mindlessly aping everything he sees on the boob tube -- knock me over with a feather!

Yeah, I think his username is a Pokemon character. It's the "all your base belong to us" style? I still don't see the challenge there, let me try that with your last sentence:

そう彼は公正であり心なく彼がboob 管で見るすべてをまねる-- 羽と私をたたきなさい

Hmm...couldn't pick up the "boob". Now c/p that back to English...

So, he is fair and -- where everything which he sees heartlessly with the boob tube is imitated the feather hit me

http://babelfish.altavista.com/tr

Like that???

[DoctorDoom]

To really appreciate fan fiction, ya gotta read some of it. E.g., Star Trek:TOS is a motherlode of truly bad stuff.

Captain's Quarters by Johnny Bravo [NC17]

Yet more misogynistic porn masquerading as erotica. There's no plot to dissect, which saves me time and effort, and yet I can't find it within me to be grateful. Probably because I had to read textual vomit like this:Kirk walked over and inserted his manlyness into the quivering wettness of the communications officer. He pumped and pumped untill Uhura began to moan unknowingly. She began to say Kirk's name over and over again "James, Ohhhhhh James, harder deeper keep it comming love baby!"


Who's on First?

I've seen some pointless shit in my time, but this takes the cake. Imagine Abbot and Costello's "Who's on First?" routine in script form. Now cross out Abbot and Costello and write in Kirk and Spock instead. Why? Good Question!Spock: Yes Captain. As I said, Who's on first, What's on second, I Don't Know is on third --

Kirk: You know the fellows' names?

Spock: Affirmative.

Kirk: Well, then who's playin' first.

Spock: That is correct.As bad as the stories we review are, at least they're original. This plagiarized waste of time hasn't even got that going for it.


Tasteless Sarek Story by Rocky [NC17]

An accurately titled story in which Sarek is raped on his death bed. I'm assuming it's supposed to be a humorous tale, and I'll quote you an example of the author's wit so that you may judge for yourself.Suddenly, I felt his anal muscles start to spasm, and I knew his end (pardon the pun) was near.It's not exactly Oscar Wilde is it?Godawful Fan Fiction | Star Trek: The Original Series (http://www.godawful.net/tos.htm)

Go through the categories (http://www.godawful.net/menu_reviews.htm) to realize how thoroughly abominable fan fic can get. The stuff in post #16 is about average.

[Lazarus]

...Shinny, you must too young to remember Saddam Hussein promising "rivers of blood" if America's troops went into Iraq in 1991...Not too young, Fox - Just the standard issue selective memory we see all liberals carrying around in their empty skulls...

"Rivers of blood"... Hey remember the "Mother of All Battles"? That was my personal favorite...:thumb: And then there was Dan Rather and his prophecy of thousands of body bags coming home from Iraq...

Hey yall, Im glad Shinny showed up - Its been a long time since we had a real, fully brainwashed, leftwing nutcase land here to try to show off his "legendary" wit... And now we have one who has the classic "dont make em mad or they'll shower us with ballistic missiles and bring the world economy to its knees" fear-mongering... Kinda reminds you of the old Cold War "be afraid - be very afraid" Soviet years, dont it?

Why we havent had any really high-grade liberal fruitcakes on the buffet in months... Yep - Good family entertainment...:D

[Naturalized-Texan]

Okay, that was pretty bad, in particular, the dialogue. Too stilted. I have no idea how old he told you he was, he sounds nineteen, tops.
My 9-year-old granddaughter makes more sense than he does.

[Antigone]

Why we havent had any really high-grade liberal fruitcakes on the buffet in months...

It is spring break. Those who are too ugly and hairy in a thong to go to Miami end up in front of their computers pretending to be intelligent. They fail miserably at this too.

[Shedinja500]

Again, my arguments seem to be so good that you respond with ad hominem attacks, this time including posts I made 3-4 years ago, which have little to no connection with my maturity or intelligence today. (You all would make excellent stalkers, by the way) Interestingly enough, I was actually fairly conservative back then. And for your information, my TV show viewership is usually constrained to:

John Stewart, Colbert, South Park
History Channel/International
Discovery Channel/Times
Military Channel
National Geographic
The Science Channel
BBC World News
C-SPAN 1, 2, 3
Sci-fi
Lost

As far as I can tell, American Idol isn't on that list, and I care about as much about celebrities as I do about the politics of Andorra (I assume you know what Andorra is, but then, perhaps I shouldn't; its a teeny weeny country bordering the big, bad, cowardly nation of France).

As for the courageous young fellow who actually had enough mental capacity to debate the "libertard:"

Me:

"The seething, implacable hatred of the Ay-rabs for Israel and the Jews continues unabated as of this writing." (words in a BB post)

Them:

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Liberal moral equivalence is a wonderful thing. :rolleyes:

So what race are Ay-rabs/Muslims?

Who started the violence, liberal?

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Bobby: "He started it!"

Afghanistan. Not Iraq, not Iran, not Hamas or Hezbollah. Not average innocent Lebanese, Palestinians, or Arabs in general. The Taliban and Al Queda are the ONLY ones directly responsible for 9/11.

Conservative overgeneralization is a wonderful thing. :rolleyes:

[The_Elucidator]

Again, my arguments seem to be so good that you respond with ad hominem attacks, this time including posts I made 3-4 years ago, which have little to no connection with my maturity or intelligence today. (You all would make excellent stalkers, by the way) Interestingly enough, I was actually fairly conservative back then. And for your information, my TV show viewership is usually constrained to:

John Stewart, Colbert, South Park
History Channel/International
Discovery Channel/Times
Military Channel
National Geographic
The Science Channel
BBC World News
C-SPAN 1, 2, 3
Sci-fi
Lost

As far as I can tell, American Idol isn't on that list, and I care about as much about celebrities as I do about the politics of Andorra (I assume you know what Andorra is, but then, perhaps I shouldn't; its a teeny weeny country bordering the big, bad, cowardly nation of France).

As for the courageous young fellow who actually had enough mental capacity to debate the "libertard:"



Bobby: "He started it!"

Afghanistan. Not Iraq, not Iran, not Hamas or Hezbollah. Not average innocent Lebanese, Palestinians, or Arabs in general. The Taliban and Al Queda are the ONLY ones directly responsible for 9/11.

Conservative overgeneralization is a wonderful thing. :rolleyes:


Dude, just stop...Like your buddy Book, you been punked! Al Gore has more credibility on this board than you do! Doc done punked your ass so just head on back to the dorm room and do whatever it is that Freshmen do nowadays! What a dork... :rotflmbo: :rotflmbo: :rotflmbo:

[DoctorDoom]

Again, my arguments seem to be so good that you respond with ad hominem attacks, this time including posts I made 3-4 years ago, which have little to no connection with my maturity or intelligence today.So now we have a puzzlement. I know what year you claimed for your birth year when you registered (the folks with the red usernames—with apologies to HeMan—have the power). If in "3-4 years" you have matured from that semi-literate juvenile fanfic scribbler to your present state, then your age is grossly overstated. This leads me to conclude that at most you are 20.

As for intelligence, it proves nothing. It's merely a potential, a capacity. Maturity, wisdom and experience come by living. They cannot be gained any other way. Unfortunately, liberals are seriously lacking in all three of them.

(You all would make excellent stalkers, by the way)Google and Yahoo! stalk. We merely exploit.

The Taliban and Al Queda are the ONLY ones directly responsible for 9/11.Islamic terrorists, the hell-spawned religion that drives them, and the numerous ME countries that support them are directly responsible.

BTW, it IS possible to quote without reproducing an entire post, most of which you self-defensively ignore.

Again, what race are Arabs/Muslims that it is racist to say unkind thing about them? I realize that you libs fling buzzwords like confetti at a wedding because it spares you the effort of thinking, but it would be pleasantly surprising to encounter a liberaloony that is an exception.

[The_Elucidator]

As for intelligence, it proves nothing. It's merely a potential, a capacity. Maturity, wisdom and experience come by living. They cannot be gained any other way. Unfortunately, liberals are seriously lacking in all three of them.



You left out respect Doc...but with that being said, it is pretty hard to gain any of the above attributes within the walls of academia. It's like trying to become a football player by playing x-box 360.

[The_Sonarman]

"Violence never solves anything"?

That's a hoot. We have 3000+ Americans murdered on 9/11, and so we shouldn't respond since the only effective response is violent, and "violence never solves anything"?

Crude force and violence solves all sorts of problems. It is the last resort, and we are all too often required to move to it, having exhausted every other type of response.

I take this quote from the Epitoma Rei Militaris, by Vegetius.

"Igitur qui desiderat pacem, praeparet bellum."

Translated: "If you want peace prepare for war". That is as true today as it was when Vegetius wrote it.

Good vibes and singing Kumbaya didn't topple Adolf Hitler and free Western Europe. Unchecked, Hitlers forces would have completed the job of butchering all the European Jews, Gypsies, Poles, Russians, etcetera. Passive Resistance wouldn't have accomplished squat, then or now.

In the vernacular of the common man, it's called war. Ugly, brutal, violent, and necessary from time to time.

That's just the way it is. As I've said before, the Meek will inherit the Earth, after the strong have exterminated all enemies. The World remains a violent place in many areas, despite the "civilized" life some of us enjoy. It is myopic to think otherwise.

[noncom]

If in "3-4 years" you have matured from that semi-literate juvenile fanfic scribbler to your present state, then your age is grossly overstated. This leads me to conclude that at most you are 20.

So now we have a puzzlement. I know what year you claimed for your birth year when you registered (the folks with the red usernames—with apologies to HeMan—have the power). If in "3-4 years" you have matured from that semi-literate juvenile fanfic scribbler to your present state, then your age is grossly overstated. This leads me to conclude that at most you are 20.

As for intelligence, it proves nothing. It's merely a potential, a capacity. Maturity, wisdom and experience come by living. They cannot be gained any other way. Unfortunately, liberals are seriously lacking in all three of them.
We try to hand the guy excuses and he keeps denying them. Now he's given away childhood and severe mental retardation.

So, if he's telling the truth (which is a always a big "if" with trolls), that leaves only one possible explanation. Technically speaking, the maturation process basically stops at the age when severe drug abuse starts, and it can re-start again if the abuse ends. The brain cells, of course, are gone for good. And severe personality imbalances will probably be a lifetime problem. But even impediments like that shouldn't necessarily have to lead to the level of anti-social behavior that's common in moonbats (or as they prefer to be called "neo-hippies.")

As you said, lack of capacity should not necessarily lead to dissociative behavior. Think about it: half the people in the world are of below-average intelligence. There's no reason that should preclude someone from being a productive member of society.

The core of liberalism isn't stupidity, immaturity, or lack of experience (although it can certainly include all three.) The fundamental flaw of liberalism is what Ayn Rand called "subjectivism:" when one gives up the difficult task of defining and trying to come to terms with an objective reality, and instead falls into the seductive trap of nurturing his own feelings, thereby making himself feel better about himself. So it's not just that the guy is incapable of dealing with what we call "reality;" as far as he is concerned, there's no reason that he should even TRY.

Think about it: every close personal friend this guy ever had in his life - from Big Bird to Oprah - has always told him the exact same thing: everyone's opinion is equally valid; you don't need to THINK; all that really matters is how much you CARE; and infinitely more importantly, how loudly you express the fact that you CARE more deeply than other people do. For decades now, the news media have been treating compulsive psychotic "activists" as modern-day superheroes. So what kind of role models does that give a guy like this?

So he's been clean and sober for three years now (or, who knows, maybe it was more like three weeks; time can be tricky for some.) But anyway, the important thing is that he's done all his research now. Heck, he even watched something besides cartoons for once. And now, at least as far as he can tell, he's ready to talk politics just like the grown ups do.

I mean, the imbecile even thinks that he's been "debating" someone. Seriously, how screwed up is that?

[noncom]

The Taliban and Al Queda are the ONLY ones directly responsible for 9/11.
Islamic terrorists, the hell-spawned religion that drives them, and the numerous ME countries that support them are directly responsible.
None of that matters to the moonbats. They've been given an easy answer: Fighting terrorism is nothing but a simple policing action. Saddam Hussein wasn't on any of the airplanes, and he didn't personally order the attack; so Iraq is "irrelevant" to the war on terror. Saddam Hussein publically announced he would give the equivalent of ten years wages to the family of any suicide bomber - but that's only Israel's problem. 15 sailors were just kidnapped on the high seas - but that's only England's problem.

Unfortunately, the elephant in the living room - the obvious fact that a single theology clearly ties these "random acts" of violence together - is a pretty darned scary reality. And therefore, for someone with a subjective mindset, it seems "safer" to simply ignore the bigger problem.

The TV has told the moonbat thousands of times by now that there is no single religion that ties all these attacks together. And they keep making up separate names for each fuzzy organization: Al-Qaida; Hamas; Hezbollah; Taliban.... Would lumping the Japanese Imperialists who bombed Pearl Harbor, the Italian Fascists who ravaged Africa and the German Nazis who raped Europe into one big lump have been "racist" and an "over-generalization?" To the modern liberal the answer is yes, of course it would.

The great thing about propaganda is that it doesn't matter in the least how incredibly stupid it sounds. All that matters is that it calms the fears of weak minded people, and it offers them a way to avoid thinking about a scary reality. To sweeten the deal, it even it allows them to substitute a SAFE enemy to hate instead - in this case, us.

[DesertFox]

This dude's one of those who hears somebody say, "He's incompetent. He lies. He beats his wife." And when he sees that that person is white and the other a different color, he says the comments are racist. Doesn't matter if they're true; a white person can't say anything less than good things about others without being racist. :rolleyes:

[BIGIRON]

The Muslims live their lives as if they were in the 7th century so we should treat this with a 7th century mentality. Every time they get out of line we fire bomb an entire city in the offending Muslim tribes lands, the loss of a hundred thousand people a few times and they will be as docile as lap dogs. if all else fails we destroy their religious sites and salt their lands..problem solved.

[Kathy30]

Yeah... Have fun when the world economy collapses after Iran mines the Straits of Hormuz, while firing off thousands of missles at Israel and our regional military bases! It should be great fun! But those turersts might just stop the pretty lights... Damn those commies.

When Iran mines the Straits of Hormuz and fires nuclear missiles at Israel and our regional military bases because Allah gave a vision that this is what is to be done to effect the return of the Mahdi, what would be your solution to that crisis.

[DoctorDoom]

... what would be your solution to that crisis.Being a witless liberal, his "solution" is to talk with them; ask them what we and Israel have done that provoked their gentle, peace-loving nation to such desperate acts of attention-getting; ask what we can do to regain their favor; march in the streets protesting Bush the illiterate, right-wing Nazi cowboy; and condemn the EEE-vill, imperialistic, universally-hated-by-Europeans United States for being a superpower.

In short, SSDD.

[BuckeyeMike]

You have to remember... this Shendazzi90210 ,or whatever his tag is , thinks like the Clintons, Fondas, Kennedys, Pelosis, Schumers, etal.....this whole thing could have been resolved, including 9/11, by just calling a cop and a lawyer! They're all nukin' futz!

[dPrasse]

Afghanistan. Not Iraq, not Iran, not Hamas or Hezbollah. Not average innocent Lebanese, Palestinians, or Arabs in general. The Taliban and Al Queda are the ONLY ones directly responsible for 9/11.

Such a simple mind ...

The Taliban must exist in a vaccuum , with no outside support ?

So , all of the Hamas creeps out cheering on 9/11 give no support to terrorists ?

We are not at war vs the Taliban or Al Queda ... we are ay war against TERRORISM ... and all of it "components" ...

[Shedinja500]

Such a simple mind ...

The Taliban must exist in a vaccuum , with no outside support ?

So , all of the Hamas creeps out cheering on 9/11 give no support to terrorists ?

We are not at war vs the Taliban or Al Queda ... we are ay war against TERRORISM ... and all of it "components" ...

Last I checked, we haven't put the south under martial law to crack down on christian terrorists-you know, the ones who bomb abortion clinics?

And I'm sure the Vatican has given passive support to them, so why haven't we "liberated" the Vatican? :D


Unfortunately, the elephant in the living room - the obvious fact that a single theology clearly ties these "random acts" of violence together - is a pretty darned scary reality. And therefore, for someone with a subjective mindset, it seems "safer" to simply ignore the bigger problem.


You mean Christianity? I say, anytime an abortion clinic is bombed, we firebomb an entire city in the US South, and if that doesn't stop them, we firebomb the Haga Sophia. After all, all Christians are the same... :rolleyes:

Your answer:

But no, abortion is wrong, so these terrorists are fully justified in their actions!


But no, colonizing Palestine, massacring 600,000+ innocent Iraqis, and cluster bombing Lebanon are wrong, so these terrorists are fully justified in their actions!


But I'm sure the response will be:

Abortion is far worse than inflicting aparthied on the people of Palestine, destroying an entire country's infrastructure and thus boosting Hezbollah's popularity over only 2 kidnapped soldiers, and massacring 600,000+ mostly civilian Iraqis! :roar:

Have I hit the nail of conservatism on the head or what?

(P.S. I see not how calmly debating you all is trolling.)

[DoctorDoom]

Little child, you've become boring. That's the worst fault that a poster can have. And your rabid anti-Christian, anti-conservative bigotry is duly noted. This is OUR board. You are an obnoxious intruder. Go away.

[dPrasse]

Guess he doesn't follow the RICO laws very well ...

[DoctorDoom]

And he has nothing to say about the acts of violence within the walls of abortuaries that kill 1.3 million innocent human beings every year. Ah, but then he's a liberal, and brutally murdering unborn children is okay to him.

[noncom]

And he has nothing to say about the acts of violence within the walls of abortuaries that kill 1.3 million innocent human beings every year. Ah, but then he's a liberal, and brutally murdering unborn children is okay to him.
What you are talking about is reality. All of that is irrelevant.

How many of those 1.3 million killings are broadcast on TV in an average day? And how many times in the past two years have the alphabet TV networks broadcast pictures of the Towers burning?

Zero. And there is a REASON for that.

But if a handful of psychos get carried away, take the law into their own hands, and then they are punished by Christians, he hears that (except of course for the last part) dredged up as a justification for every new spate of mass murders committed by Muslim extremists, and endorsed by their country's leaders.

The terrorist acts currently going on in Iraq (the country moonbats are told to believe that Islamic terrorists care least about) are NEVER described as "crimes" on the alphabet news or Al Jazeera. US soldiers are uniformly described as interlopers; the terrorists are painted as "freedom fighters" who would all be minding their own buisness if not for the evil intervention of George Bush and Haliburton.

That's why the moonbats hate "evil" conservatives, and love the "misunderstood" terrorists and dictators: They never saw the hundreds of thousands of atrocities Saddam committed - so they didn't exist. But they saw the acts of a handful of perverted night guards as a FRONT PAGE STORY for more than SIX WEEKS in a row.

That's the way the subjective (liberal) mind works. What he is told to feel - dozens of times a day; hundreds of times a week; thousands of times a year - by his "friends" on the television IS reality as far as he is capable of seeing it.

Someone simply tellling the moonbat facts will never teach him anything. I don't mean that he's just a little slow; NOTHING we say will EVER get through to him. Not one single word.

[Beowulf]

Last I checked, we haven't put the south under martial law to crack down on christian terrorists-you know, the ones who bomb abortion clinics?
That happened awhile back, Shedinja, and hasn't happened since. Hezbollah and Al Quaida (sp) kill and maim EVERYDAY and show no signs of letting up.
Hey, I'm Catholic and I don't go around murdering or maiming to make points.

And I'm sure the Vatican has given passive support to them
I doubt that. Even the Vatican opposes war wherever it may be or whomever it may be against.

so why haven't we "liberated" the Vatican?
Perhaps we should by cleansing Democrats from the Catholic church. You can't be Catholic and Pro-choice at the same time. John Kerry is denied communion in the Boston area because of his stance and since the Catholic Church's strongest showing is in the Northeast where these Democrats who claim to be Catholic are, maybe we should Liberate it.

You mean Christianity? I say, anytime an abortion clinic is bombed, we firebomb an entire city in the US South, and if that doesn't stop them, we firebomb the Haga Sophia. After all, all Christians are the same...
If you feel that's the answer then do it. Just don't get caught....and don't piss off Homes by bombing the South.

Abortion is far worse than inflicting aparthied on the people of Palestine, destroying an entire country's infrastructure and thus boosting Hezbollah's popularity over only 2 kidnapped soldiers, and massacring 600,000+ mostly civilian Iraqis!
But you mention nothing about how terrorists strap bombs to children, send them walking into a cafe and performing an act of barbarism that Arabs see as the now dead child as a hero.
Terrorists are of many nationalities, not just Iraqi. And it is these terrorists who are killing their own people in Iraq yet per usual, the U.S. gets the blame.

(P.S. I see not how calmly debating you all is trolling.)
I didn't say it was. I'll debate all day if we keep things respectable. Get beligerent (sp) with me and I'm finished with you.
Now, I'm going out for the weekend. I'll catch up later.

[Wyatt_Junker]

Last I checked, we haven't put the south under martial law to crack down on christian terrorists-you know, the ones who bomb abortion clinics?

Let's be clear then. Is it your suggestion that christian terrorism is on par with Islamic terrorism? Yes or no.

Is christian terrorism mainstream? Is it a global force? Has it been incorporated into entire strains or denominations of its theology? How many countries has christian terrorism been exported to currently?


And I'm sure the Vatican has given passive support to them, so why haven't we "liberated" the Vatican? :D

I take it the smiley face = being facetious. Then why argue merely to sound desparately specious? Its as if you are already perfectly aware of your disingenuous motives.


You mean Christianity? I say, anytime an abortion clinic is bombed, we firebomb an entire city in the US South

And if we apply the same exact standard to Islamism when they bomb, maim & kill soft targets then we could make a contest out of it. I'm all for it. And if applied equally, which religious culture do you think would still be around, Christians or Muslims?


, and if that doesn't stop them, we firebomb the Haga Sophia. After all, all Christians are the same... :rolleyes:

For the most part, they are. On the big theological issues, Christians agree on 99% of the points of merit. All one has to do is read the Nicene Creed. Beyond that, if one group says tomaytoh and the other tomahtoh it doesn't really matter. Denominationalism is more concerned with methods rather than beliefs. And in that sense, a fractured or shattered Christianity is pure myth. So then, what you're also saying is that all Christians should wear blue shirts? Can't Christians wear what they want and still believe the same thing?


But no, abortion is wrong, so these terrorists are fully justified in their actions!

I'll let you argue it, even though you're wrong. If, say, that was the case, I would still think that abortuary razing(when nobody is around) is nobler than blowing up pizzerias or skyscrapers when they are intentionally hit with the most people inhabiting them. IOW, the 'christian terrorists' you're using as your mythological pawn aren't hitting abortion clinics with the express purpose of slaughtering innocents. Just the opposite. Their intent is to save life. Let's compare now to Islamic terrorism. They hit soft targets willingly, innocents are in the crosshairs and they pack their bombs with shrapnel; ball bearings, bits of steel, metal shavings and rat poison in order to kill as many innocent by-standers as possible.

So, even if I was to give your argument any parity, your moral equivalence is destroyed here also.

Abortion is far worse than inflicting aparthied on the people of Palestine, destroying an entire country's infrastructure and thus boosting Hezbollah's popularity over only 2 kidnapped soldiers, and massacring 600,000+ mostly civilian Iraqis! :roar:

Let's take these facetious gems one at a time.

First, 'apartheid' is a pet liberal word. Its bumpersticker material typically sold at San Francisco socialism rallies. Let's use that word. The people of Palestine are suffering from 'apartheid' how? Explain.

Second, with regards to the recent Israeli/Lebannon conflict, an entire 'country's infrastructure' is a bit dramatic but okay. However, using your same moral equivalence, what about all those katyusha rockets that the Hezbos fired into Israel? Is this a one-way street? Why not mention them in addition to the kidnapped soldiers? Just a thought. As to the 'decimated infrastructure' of Lebannon, those doctored Reuters photos were a riot eh?

Third, are you saying that America has just murdered 600,000+ Iraqi civilians? You said it. Again, I want to be clear. Are you just being casual and uncareful with your rhetoric or do you really believe that bit of propaganda?


Have I hit the nail of conservatism on the head or what?

You hit your thumb instead. Try again.

[dajoga]

Yeah... Have fun when the world economy collapses after Iran mines the Straits of Hormuz, while firing off thousands of missles at Israel and our regional military bases!

Based on their range and accuracy as demonstrated by Hezbutta's use of them against Israel, I doubt Israel has much to fear. Now Syria & Jordan, being closer, could be in danger!

[Shedinja500]

Let's be clear then. Is it your suggestion that christian terrorism is on par with Islamic terrorism? Yes or no.

Is christian terrorism mainstream? Is it a global force? Has it been incorporated into entire strains or denominations of its theology? How many countries has christian terrorism been exported to currently?

No, it is pretty much nonexistant in Europe or the American northeast and west coast. However, members were talking about massacring hundreds of individual, innocent muslims who aren't necessarily extremists, so I am applying the same logic to christianity. Sounds utterly ridiculous and like an overreaction, right? The same could be said about the opinions of many on this board toward muslims.

Besides, as noncom said:

Unfortunately, the elephant in the living room - the obvious fact that a single theology clearly ties these "random acts" of violence together - is a pretty darned scary reality. And therefore, for someone with a subjective mindset, it seems "safer" to simply ignore the bigger problem.
The TV has told the moonbat thousands of times by now that there is no single religion that ties all these attacks together.

I take it the smiley face = being facetious. Then why argue merely to sound desparately specious? Its as if you are already perfectly aware of your disingenuous motives.

I'm making an analogy to show the fallaciousness of arguments presented by members here.

And if we apply the same exact standard to Islamism when they bomb, maim & kill soft targets then we could make a contest out of it. I'm all for it. And if applied equally, which religious culture do you think would still be around, Christians or Muslims?

Both, as these gross overreactions would create such a treasure trove of propaganda for extremists that they'd soon have the numbers to commit dozens of 9/11s at the same time. Eventually, this would cause the US economy to collapse, and with it, its war-making capability.

For the most part, they are. On the big theological issues, Christians agree on 99% of the points of merit. All one has to do is read the Nicene Creed. Beyond that, if one group says tomaytoh and the other tomahtoh it doesn't really matter. Denominationalism is more concerned with methods rather than beliefs. And in that sense, a fractured or shattered Christianity is pure myth. So then, what you're also saying is that all Christians should wear blue shirts? Can't Christians wear what they want and still believe the same thing?

So are you agreeing that we should massacre moderate christians for the actions of a handful of extremists? :roar:

I'll let you argue it, even though you're wrong. If, say, that was the case, I would still think that abortuary razing(when nobody is around) is nobler than blowing up pizzerias or skyscrapers when they are intentionally hit with the most people inhabiting them. IOW, the 'christian terrorists' you're using as your mythological pawn aren't hitting abortion clinics with the express purpose of slaughtering innocents. Just the opposite. Their intent is to save life. Let's compare now to Islamic terrorism. They hit soft targets willingly, innocents are in the crosshairs and they pack their bombs with shrapnel; ball bearings, bits of steel, metal shavings and rat poison in order to kill as many innocent by-standers as possible.

I'm sure that the doctors who just lost their livelihoods, if not their lives, would completely agree that the goal of those terrorists is to save lives. :rolleyes:

First, 'apartheid' is a pet liberal word. Its bumpersticker material typically sold at San Francisco socialism rallies. Let's use that word. The people of Palestine are suffering from 'apartheid' how? Explain.

Well, Israel has set up hundreds of settlements in Palestine, which the Palestinians can't enter (which were, ironically, set up on private Palestinian property; whatsoever happened to conservative support for laissez-faire capitalism?). Meanwhile, Palestinians are banned from using multiple "Israeli" roads in that country, and Palestinians do not have proper access to fair trials. Also, anyone overheard speaking poorly of the illegal Israeli occupation is liable to find their house bulldozed. :flame:

Second, with regards to the recent Israeli/Lebannon conflict, an entire 'country's infrastructure' is a bit dramatic but okay. However, using your same moral equivalence, what about all those katyusha rockets that the Hezbos fired into Israel? Is this a one-way street? Why not mention them in addition to the kidnapped soldiers? Just a thought. As to the 'decimated infrastructure' of Lebannon, those doctored Reuters photos were a riot eh?

The katyusha rockets weren't being fired by Hezbollah weren't being fired until after Israel began its bombing campaign. You're thinking of Hamas's Qassam rockets. But then, I assume Israel had every right to bomb Lebanon, and that Hezbollah's counterattack was nothing more than terrorism, no? :rolleyes:

Third, are you saying that America has just murdered 600,000+ Iraqi civilians? You said it. Again, I want to be clear. Are you just being casual and uncareful with your rhetoric or do you really believe that bit of propaganda?

Not exactly. But most others here believe that Iraq is directly responsible for 9/11 because a handful of Al Queda terrorists were located in their borders. As such, I see little reason not to say the US was directly responsible for those deaths, since they would not have died if we hadn't invaded. Simple conservative logic, no? :D

You hit your thumb instead. Try again.

I would say the same to you.

[Maggie_T]

:roar: Oh, my sides ache. Guys, you're killing me. You are tearing Sheddy's immature, uninformed, ignorant arguments to shreds and the poor sod doesn't even realize it. :roar:

Sheddy, if the best arguments you can present are the alleged "racism" of those who want to fight Islamofascism, your simpleminded view of who "started 9/11," and the plight of abortion clinics, you're waaaaaay out of your league here.

I suggest you do yourself a favor and go back to DU, or FSTDT, or whichever other political amusement park you crawled from, where no doubt you are frenetically admired, and spare yourself any further ignominy of having your butt handed to you in shreds, as it is being handed to you at present.

Damn school breaks.

[noncom]

:roar: Oh, my sides ache. Guys, you're killing me. You are tearing Sheddy's immature, uninformed, ignorant arguments to shreds and the poor sod doesn't even realize it. :roar:
Of course he doesn't understand a word of it, but he enjoys it even more than we do. It's sad to admit, but moonbat trolls LIVE for what we think of as "abuse."

Just imagine what this would be like if it weren't on the Internet: A bunch of people sitting around having a conversation, and a wild-eyed street person comes in and starts ranting his head off for no apparent reason. What would most likely happen next? Sure, some of them might make fun of the poor guy, but he wouldn't care. As far as he's concerned he's the most popular guy in the room, because somebody's finally talking TO him, instead of yelling AT him... or chasing him off with a stick.

Compared to this guy's real life, what goes on here is the most respectful and appreciative reception he's ever had.

[Lubbock]

Too lame brained to start over.

Besides, Sheddy's been slapped around enough. If he wasn't brain damaged before he got here, he is now.

[Naturalized-Texan]

:roar: Oh, my sides ache. Guys, you're killing me. You are tearing Sheddy's immature, uninformed, ignorant arguments to shreds and the poor sod doesn't even realize it. :roar:

Sheddy, if the best arguments you can present are the alleged "racism" of those who want to fight Islamofascism, your simpleminded view of who "started 9/11," and the plight of abortion clinics, you're waaaaaay out of your league here.

I suggest you do yourself a favor and go back to DU, or FSTDT, or whichever other political amusement park you crawled from, where no doubt you are frenetically admired, and spare yourself any further ignominy of having your butt handed to you in shreds, as it is being handed to you at present.

Damn school breaks.
Sheddy's so brainwashed by left-wing Big Lie Propaganda that he can only blindly parrot leftist talking points that are provided by his handlers. Sadly, he doesn't even appear to realize that he has been brainwashed by the incessant Big Lie Propaganda spewed by liberal politicians and their willing accomplices in the media.

[noncom]

Quite frankly, I prefer the "stick" method of handling the problam, but maybe that's just me.
Taking the real world analogy, it's always possible some poor guy just had a huge shock or something. So you might give him a few seconds to explain himself - assuming you can do so safely. But once you've confirmed you can provide no help for his problem, letting him hang around is the furthest thing from "compassion."

On a forum, I don't mind when these losers visit; I just don't see any need for them to STAY for more than a post or two. When someone can't be coherent in his first post, odds are that he never will. When something like that happens once, great, you can spend ages joking about it. But giving hippies, moonbats, or any other itinerant folk an open invitation to stay with you for as long as they want? Nothing good can come out of that.

[DoctorDoom]

Disclaimer: I am personally opposed to killing abortionists, but I have no right to impose my morality on those who disagree with me.

I'm sure that the doctors who just lost their livelihoods, if not their lives, would completely agree that the goal of those terrorists is to save lives. First, they're not doctors. Doctors work to save lives, not to take them. The "doctors" are cold-blooded murderers who wipe their asses with the Hippocratic Oath.

Second, you have a delusion that there is a Christian "jihad" against those executioners, but I note that you are zealously avoiding citing numbers to back up your bigotry. Allow me, ignorant child.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v349/DocDoom777/Culture/AbViolChart.gif

VIOLENCE & HARASSMENT AT U.S. ABORTION CLINICS (http://www.religioustolerance.org/abo_viol.htm)

The first column shows your mythical jihad as the lie that it is. 1994's 12 included John Salvi's rampage that resulted in two deaths and five woundings (attempted murders in the column). The total of all the others combined is 12, and again these are attempts as well as actual killings.



BTW, this charming banner ad was on the page when I copied it. It's reduced in length via HTML to fit the post.

<img src="http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v349/DocDoom777/Culture/AbAd.jpg" width="600" />

Note the selling point, "Abortions to 24 weeks." Want to know what a 24-week-old "fetus" looks like, ignorant child?

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v349/DocDoom777/Culture/24weeks1.jpg

24 Weeks Gestation

• Unique footprints and fingerprints are present.
• Outside sounds can be heard.
• Actions such as hiccuping, squinting, smiling, and frowning may be seen through ultrasound.
• The lungs have developed such that some premature babies may survive.
• Surviving premature babies may have severe disabilities and require long-term intensive care.
• The weight is about 1 to 1 1/2 pounds.
• The length is about 8 to 9 inches.24 Weeks Gestation (http://www.dshs.state.tx.us/wrtk/develop/week24.shtm)

This is what a 24-week-old "fetus" looks like:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v349/DocDoom777/Culture/week24-lanugo.jpg

And this is what an aborted 24-week-old "fetus" looks like.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v349/DocDoom777/Culture/24WKAbort.jpg

Tell me that's not murder, you soulless, clueless SOB.



Back to the Christian war against abortionists that you claim is ongoing.

October 23, 1998 -- A sniper kills Dr. Barnett Slepian in Amherst, New York, by firing a shot through the physician's window, the first fatality among five sniper attacks on New York or Canadian abortion providers over four years.

January 29, 1998 -- A bomb explodes just outside a Birmingham, Alabama, abortion clinic. An off-duty police officer is killed and a nurse critically injured in the first fatal bombing of a U.S. abortion clinic. Eric Rudolph is charged but eludes a massive manhunt.

January 16, 1997 -- Two bomb blasts an hour apart rock an Atlanta building containing an abortion clinic. Seven people are injured. Rudolph is charged by federal authorities in October 1998.

December 30, 1994 -- John Salvi opens fire with a rifle inside two Boston-area abortion clinics, killing two receptionists and wounding five others. Sentenced to life without parole, he kills himself in prison in 1996.

November 8, 1994 -- Dr. Garson Romalis, who performs abortions in Vancouver, British Columbia, is shot in the leg while eating breakfast at home.

July 29, 1994 -- Dr. John Bayard Britton and his volunteer escort, James H. Barrett, are slain outside a Pensacola, Florida, abortion clinic. Barrett's wife, June, is wounded in the attack. Paul J. Hill, 40, a former minister and anti-abortion activist, is convicted of murder and sentenced to death.

August 19, 1993 -- Dr. George Tiller is shot in the arms as he drives out of the parking lot at his Wichita, Kansas, clinic. Rachelle "Shelley" Shannon is convicted and sentenced to 11 years in prison.

March 10, 1993 -- Dr. David Gunn is shot to death outside a Pensacola, Florida, clinic, becoming the first U.S. doctor killed during an anti-abortion demonstration. Michael Griffin is convicted and is serving a life sentence.Recent cases of abortion-related violence (http://www.cnn.com/US/9810/24/abortion.violence/index.html)

Between the chart and the list, your Christian war against abortionists is all in your undisciplined, liberal parody of a mind.

The "Christians" who attack, injure and kill abortionists and their staff do so in direct violation of the dictates of their faith. The Islamic terrorists who injure, maim and kill innocent people do so in obedience to the dictates of Islam.

But, insufferable fool, here's your opportunity to prove that your claims are something more than an expression of your loathing for Christians and their faith.

Borrow a Bible (the likelihood is zero that you own one), study it diligently, and then tell us where in the New Testament even one of the threats or acts of violence in the chart above is suggested, let alone commanded, as Christian behavior. If you cannot do so, you will be proven to be a liar as well as an anti-Christian bigot, and I will personally throw you off of this board.

You can then go back to writing your egregiously bad fanfic without being distracted by having your punk ass julienned and handed back to you in a tupperware bowl.

[Lubbock]

What the heck happened to my post, and how did someone else's post come up under my name and with quotes from me? I did not post #48, and my post is gone.

Grimlins in the rafters?

[Naturalized-Texan]

Exactly. But the ever-stupid liberals think that to think like you do is being racist. That's their only response to everything.
Actually, liberals are the racists in today's America. THEY are the ones who judge everyone by the color of their skins.

In his famous "I Have a Dream" speech on August 28, 1963, Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. said, "I have a dream that my four children will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the color of their skin but by the content of their character." Today, nearly 44 years after Dr. King's speech, liberals still judge people "by the color of their skin," while conservatives still judge people by the "content of their character." Dr. King must be spinning in his grave over what liberals have done to his people.

[Lubbock]

Just for the record, NT, those are not my words. I don't know whose they are or how that post ended up like it did under my name, or what happened to what I actually said.

[DoctorDoom]

Can't tell what's going on from the HTML. Maybe you and another poster both submitted at the same time and the software had a hiccup.

I'd suggest that you delete its contents and put in whatever you originally wrote.

[Naturalized-Texan]

Just for the record, NT, those are not my words. I don't know whose they are or how that post ended up like it did under my name, or what happened to what I actually said.
OK, but my comments are still accurate.

[dajoga]

From Doc's earlier post:

"The struggle with the Zionist enemy is not a struggle about Israel's borders, but about Israel's existence. We will never agree to anything less than the return of all our land and the establishment of the independent state."
--Bassam Abu Sharif, a top Arafat aide and PLO spokesman, quoted by the Kuwait News Agency, May 31, 1986

:roar: :roar: :roar: :roar: :roar:

Compare that to this:

"Remember Abraham, Isaac, and Israel, Your servants to whom You swore by Yourself, and said to them, 'I will multiply your descendants as the stars of the heavens, and all this land of which I have spoken I will give to your descendants, and they shall inherit it forever.'"
Exodus 32:13

Or...

"So Moses swore on that day, saying, 'Surely the land on which your foot has trodden will be an inheritance to [Israel] and to your children forever,...'"
Joshua 14:9

I do believe God will have His way, not the ragheads!:thumb:

[Wyatt_Junker]

Originally Posted by Wyatt_Junker http://www.freeconservatives.com/vb/images/white/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://www.freeconservatives.com/vb/showthread.php?p=536784#post536784)
Let's be clear then. Is it your suggestion that christian terrorism is on par with Islamic terrorism? Yes or no.

Is christian terrorism mainstream? Is it a global force? Has it been incorporated into entire strains or denominations of its theology? How many countries has christian terrorism been exported to currently?

No, it is pretty much nonexistant in Europe or the American northeast and west coast. However, members were talking about massacring hundreds of individual, innocent muslims who aren't necessarily extremists, so I am applying the same logic to christianity.

And the percentages of that argument don't wash from a number crunching standpoint. Realistically, are there the same number of violent Christians as violent muslims? Are there more? Are there less? And if less, how much less?

Let's talk about cultural incursions and percentages and what we did in wars past. It was said that Nazi Germany had a lock on only 5% of humanoid power and look what it accomplished. That's actually less than what sources say about the jihadi groups within Islam which peg it at around 10%. I actually think its higher. Now, numbers aside, as far as incursions go, violent islam has migrated into Southern Russia, Northern Africa, much of Europe including France and Spain, is eating the Phillipines alive, is transforming Thailand, bombing India, and it doesn't need to be said what is going on in Egypt, Jordan, Syria, Pakistan, Tehran, Bagdhad or the PA territories.

Show me the equivalent kind of violent bullshit going on in the name of Christianity today. For that is the logic you employ.


Sounds utterly ridiculous and like an overreaction, right? The same could be said about the opinions of many on this board toward muslims.

And for good reason.


I'm making an analogy to show the fallaciousness of arguments presented by members here.

And see why its not even necessary to destroy them since they self-destruct.

And if we apply the same exact standard to Islamism when they bomb, maim & kill soft targets then we could make a contest out of it. I'm all for it. And if applied equally, which religious culture do you think would still be around, Christians or Muslims?


Both, as these gross overreactions would create such a treasure trove of propaganda for extremists that they'd soon have the numbers to commit dozens of 9/11s at the same time. Eventually, this would cause the US economy to collapse, and with it, its war-making capability.

Uh, no. If we were to play that little game I made up, Islam would cease to exist and America and the rest of the West would hardly suffer a blink in the action. Islamic imperial aggression as compared to terrorist actions done in the name of Christianity are so one-sided with Mohammad in the lead as to make the obvious feel absolutely embarassed for having to define itself to the stupid. I think we all know what that makes you.

So are you agreeing that we should massacre moderate christians for the actions of a handful of extremists? :roar:

I'm saying that we should respond to terrorism period. It would put Islam out of business if done right. Christianity? It wouldn't even flinch if the same standard were applied to it.

I'm sure that the doctors who just lost their livelihoods, if not their lives, would completely agree that the goal of those terrorists is to save lives. :rolleyes:

One dead doctor versus how many saved babies that didn't get their skulls vaccumed out by his hands? I'm not saying I agree, but from a numbers standpoint, you lose.

Well, Israel has set up hundreds of settlements in Palestine, which the Palestinians can't enter (which were, ironically, set up on private Palestinian property; whatsoever happened to conservative support for laissez-faire capitalism?).


Wrong. Most of that land was not seized but rather purchased through land deals when the deed's were willingly transferred over to early Israeli farmers over 35 to 60 years ago. And they got a bum deal then and paid inflated prices just so that they would be spared the hassle later on about disputed land rights not having any idea that any of this would happen. Why do you think the Israeli's put up a fight against Ohlmert? Because THEY PAID for that land right from the fukin bedouins who SOLD IT to them and, rightly so, felt betrayed by their own government for forcing them to give it back. Which leads me to my second point, you little media goon, those settlements have long been disbanded two years ago.

And as far as the the palestinians not being able to enter a 'settlement' back in the day, so what? Would you want people walking through your land? That's why fencing material, simple dogwood or pine boards, is so popular at Home Depot! Quit smokin the propaganda pipe, parrot.


Meanwhile, Palestinians are banned from using multiple "Israeli" roads in
that country,


And the purpose of a checkpoint is what? To make life miserable for the bedouins? Or to stop terror incursions? Please. Before the 2000 intifada, Jews and palestinians were doing just fine seeing as how the Jews employ the palestinians. It wasn't until Arafat felt threatened by Clinton's Camp David legacy jaunts that he fomented the intifada which caved in all that employment that the palestinians were enjoying and damn near ruined the entire tourist industry singlehandedly. And once Arafat started to foment his propaganda through Fatah, the soft-target terror that he invented was game on again.


and Palestinians do not have proper access to fair trials.


And that's the same line that our cons use over here. Gee, I wonder why?


Also, anyone overheard speaking poorly of the illegal Israeli occupation is liable to find their house bulldozed. :flame:

Save the emoticon and false anger for someone who gives a damn. Your propaganda has a kung fu grip on your brain, simpleton.

The IDF bulldozed the homes of the families who harbored suicide bombers and their intelligence is better than ours since they live in those hoods and see the palestinians everyday and know the families. No one who was 'overheard speaking poorly of the 'illegal' Israeli occupation' got their house John Deered, you asshole.



The katyusha rockets weren't being fired by Hezbollah weren't being fired until after Israel began its bombing campaign. You're thinking of Hamas's Qassam rockets. But then, I assume Israel had every right to bomb Lebanon, and that Hezbollah's counterattack was nothing more than terrorism, no? :rolleyes:

Indeed, Hezbollah's counter was terrorism. They shot those rusty pieces of shit indiscriminately into Israel. Israel at least had some semblance of a recognized attack by cutting into transporation lines and information centers, unlike the Hezbos.

Does Polly wanna cracker?

Ba-CAH.

Third, are you saying that America has just murdered 600,000+ Iraqi civilians? You said it. Again, I want to be clear. Are you just being casual and uncareful with your rhetoric or do you really believe that bit of propaganda?


Not exactly. But most others here believe that Iraq is directly responsible for 9/11 because a handful of Al Queda terrorists were located in their borders. As such, I see little reason not to say the US was directly responsible for those deaths, since they would not have died if we hadn't invaded. Simple conservative logic, no? :D


So, 600,000 it was then. Your silence suggests that either that's the number you believe or you're too uncourageous to disagree with it.

And what does 9/11 have to do with Iraq? Iraq had more to do with '91 than 9/11. It had to get done for its own reasons, namely what it did in Kuwait, what it did to the Kurds, violating the no-fly zones, threatening a US president with death, paying terrorists to bomb Israeli civs and harboring elements of Kaida. 9/11? That's the voice in your head.

[DesertFox]

People who think they see equivalencies among Islam and Christianity are sick in the head. Fanatic Islam kills on the broad scale, maims routinely, preaches the subhumanity of anyone who doesn't subscribe to it and impaupers the average person in every society where it dominates. Fanatic Christianity is a curiosity; you don't even hear about it to criticize it anymore. Christianity's message has been "love your neighbor" for over two millennia, regardless of who that neighbor may be. And major thinkers credit a branch of Christianity with creating capitalism, which has enriched the average person beyond the wildest dreams of most of humanity for most of history.

Sick minds see no difference between night and day, either.

[Suzie]

The fanatics here in this country are more like the liberals than conservatives. They spend all their time focused on hating other Americans, like that wacko church protesting funerals. They have far more in common with liberals than Christian conservatives. We know who the real enemy is.

[Wolfcounsel]

Football--48

Monkey--0

[Shedinja500]

Wrong. Most of that land was not seized but rather purchased through land deals when the deed's were willingly transferred over to early Israeli farmers over 35 to 60 years ago. And they got a bum deal then and paid inflated prices just so that they would be spared the hassle later on about disputed land rights not having any idea that any of this would happen. Why do you think the Israeli's put up a fight against Ohlmert? Because THEY PAID for that land right from the fukin bedouins who SOLD IT to them and, rightly so, felt betrayed by their own government for forcing them to give it back. Which leads me to my second point, you little media goon, those settlements have long been disbanded two years ago.

And as far as the the palestinians not being able to enter a 'settlement' back in the day, so what? Would you want people walking through your land? That's why fencing material, simple dogwood or pine boards, is so popular at Home Depot! Quit smokin the propaganda pipe, parrot.

And the purpose of a checkpoint is what? To make life miserable for the bedouins? Or to stop terror incursions? Please. Before the 2000 intifada, Jews and palestinians were doing just fine seeing as how the Jews employ the palestinians. It wasn't until Arafat felt threatened by Clinton's Camp David legacy jaunts that he fomented the intifada which caved in all that employment that the palestinians were enjoying and damn near ruined the entire tourist industry singlehandedly. And once Arafat started to foment his propaganda through Fatah, the soft-target terror that he invented was game on again.

And that's the same line that our cons use over here. Gee, I wonder why?

Save the emoticon and false anger for someone who gives a damn. Your propaganda has a kung fu grip on your brain, simpleton.

The IDF bulldozed the homes of the families who harbored suicide bombers and their intelligence is better than ours since they live in those hoods and see the palestinians everyday and know the families. No one who was 'overheard speaking poorly of the 'illegal' Israeli occupation' got their house John Deered, you asshole.

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/03/14/world/middleeast/14israel.html?ex=1331524800&en=116d7ad4e044c3f9&ei=5088&partner=rssnyt&emc=rss

As for the settlements being disbanded, you're thinking of Gaza. The West Bank is still full to the brim with illegal Israeli settlements.

[noncom]

People who think they see equivalencies among Islam and Christianity are sick in the head.
It's funny that liberals pride themselves on their worldliness. In truth, they are absolutely nothing but the product of their Judeo-Christian environment. Liberals believe in a child's version of Christianity: "Everyone should share all of his toys (except me); love everyone (except the people who say I should behave); and if I'm nice to mean people, then good things will (somehow, magically) always happen."

Liberals utterly lack the capacity for introspection because they overtly deny that their puerile beliefs ARE beliefs. They just see their own stunted value system as "reality", and all the other religions of the world as sort of a fuzzy mass of "unreality." This means that liberals literally do not know the first thing about Islam: that it is not the same as Christianity.

As you said, Christianity is heavy into Commandments. Christianity's mandates are based on personal behavior: As long as you do good things and believe, then a spiritual reckoning will someday occur.

Islam is completely different from that. Islam is fundamentally a TERRITORIAL religion. To Muslims, personal behavior is a secondary issue; the goal of Islam is acquisition: gaining for Allah more Glory, land, slaves and converts. Exactly how they go about doing that is a secondary concern.

Western society teaches that things like terrorism are "bad." And liberals share the Judeo-Christian belief (albeit in a fuzzy, childish form) that "good" will eventually triumph. Unfortunately, liberals have rejected all the spiritual aspects of Christianity. This is effectively the same thing as madness: the inability to distinguish their beliefs from everyday reality.

But, of course, Muslims don't believe in the same versions of "good" and "bad" that Christians or liberals believe in. Muslims have absolutely no reason to feel guilty about terrorism; it is simply a means to an end. And as long as terrorism is appeased, there is no rational reason to suspect that Muslims will ever stop doing it -- ever.


Sick minds see no difference between night and day, either.
A star and a grain of sand are exactly the same thing -- to God, and to every sap-headed imbecile who has ever lived. The rest of us have to make value judgements. But liberals refuse to do that. In fact, they PRIDE themselves on never making any value judgements. They equate everything in the Universe, and then feel insulted when we infer that their wisdom is less than infinite.

Think how seductive the Church of Moral Equivalency is to the dull but egotistical convert: his whole life he's had people make fun of him because he can't tell the difference between his ass and a hole in the ground. Now, all of a sudden, he has people praising him, telling him that his ass actually IS a hole in the ground and all those mean old "discriminators" out there are just too stupid to see that. This allows him to go from imbecile to God in an instant - through the miracle of recursive logic.

Making tough choices leaves conservatives always doubting ourselves. What we see as our strength, the fanatics of the world see as nothing but an exploitable weakness. And liberals are the ultimate fanatics. Even the craziest Muslim extremist might doubt his faith. But liberals never do; not ever. By utterly rejecting the very concept of value judgements, they allow themselves to always FEEL right, no matter what consequences their actions or inactions may have in what we refer to as the "real world."

[Naturalized-Texan]

It's time for some more reminders about why we MUST fight terrorism wherever it rears its ugly head - Afghanistan, Iraq, Iran, Somalia, The Philippines, wherever:

http://tex.connectingzone.com/Tower2Explodes.jpg
http://tex.connectingzone.com/WTC-2.jpg
http://tex.connectingzone.com/WTC-1.jpg
http://tex.connectingzone.com/WTC-6.jpg
http://tex.connectingzone.com/sequence.jpg

[Lubbock]

Being stuck on stupid is one thing.

Being a virulent anti-Semit is a whole other can of worms.

[Wolfcounsel]

"Being stuck on stupid is one thing.

Being a virulent anti-Semit is a whole other can of worms." --Lubbock




Sand monkeys will forever be stuck on stupid.


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[Bluemoon_Rising]

Just thousands of missiles? I heard that Iran had millions of them.

Seriously though; I'm not saying that mental retardation is a "bad" thing, but you can't always believe everything you see a dictator tell you on TV.

Nevertheless, this is an interesting view on things. How many other moonbats are out there, utterly convinced that America is helpless in the face of any two-bit Third-World dictator who manages to pull off a sufficiently flamboyant publicity stunt?

I'm guessing it's a lot. Propaganda is like any other form of advertising: as long as the story is repeated often enough, there are people born every minute who are ready to believe it. It's all the liberals and the media keep telling him, and the administration is doing little or nothing to show him any different; he sees nothing else on TV to teach him otherwise.

Of course I'm not saying that if we had some real leadership in Washington, guys like this would magically grow cerebella. But seriously considering their counsel (which Republican politicians all too often do) isn't just a waste of time; it's what leads to the terrorism in the first place.

Wow! And with half your cerebellum tied behind your back too.

Good job.

[DesertFox]

It's been so many years since anyone bombed an abortion clinic -- but that just underscores what I've said about liberals: They never get over anything. They're stuck in whatever decade something happened that they don't like. Some lunatic lynched a knee grow back in 1870 or so, and to liberals that means blacks are still being lynched. Some other lunatic bombed an abortion clinic in 1970 and that means it's still going on.

Liberals are stuck in selective time warps. Nothing ever ends. Not to mention that it wasn't conservatives or Christians who bombed abortion clinics, but screw-loose fanatics.

Sorta like Shinedinejad.

[The_Elucidator]

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/03/14/world/middleeast/14israel.html?ex=1331524800&en=116d7ad4e044c3f9&ei=5088&partner=rssnyt&emc=rss



Again, you're linking your credibiility to the NY Slimes, the mouthpiece for the worldwide communist movement! Nice. Why don't you just link us to one of your "hacked" wikipedia fiction pieces. Someone tell me why this fool is still here?

[Wyatt_Junker]

As for the settlements being disbanded, you're thinking of Gaza. The West Bank is still full to the brim with illegal Israeli settlements.

6% in the WB is 'full to the brim'??? And of that 6%, how many were purchased legally on or near 1967 from land deeds transferred over from the bedouins? The article is remarkably shady with such details and tends to favor the antisemitic whores called Peace Now.

And those that weren't the by-product of registered land deed switch-overs, how many were because of the poor quality of the maplines regarding the transition from Ottomon to British to Jordanian rule?

And finally, it seems to me that after the 1967 War, this entire debate is a fallacy.

And for the final nail in your coffin...

Let's talk about Gaza and what happened after the 'settlements' were illegally given to the palestinians by force from the Israel Olmhert government. Do you recall?

What did they do with the land? Is the media rhetoric that you parrot correct that says that if Israel would have just given the settlements over to the PA(settlements that they legally paid for), the violence would have stopped? Did that happen? What did the Hamas elected government do with that newly acquired land?

I'll make this easy for you. No. The koranimals of Gaza did not thank the Jews and go on with their lives, the grievances finally behind them. No. They used the land as a staging ground to launch rockets into Israel.

So, it was never about 'the settlements' was it? Gaza is the perfect example of that. But don't let that stop you from repeating it, eh?

Anymore lib talking points you'd like to parrot?

Shifting gears...

Let's have a contest. From now to next month, using current events, I'll list Islamic violence wherever it occurs. You post Christian violence. Whoever's net tally is larger, wins. I'll even spot you a favorable spread, say for every Christian example, I will have to come up with 3 times as many Islamic ones. Sound good?

[DesertFox]

Three to one? How about five to one? Ten to one? A hundred to one?

[Wyatt_Junker]

Three to one? How about five to one? Ten to one? A hundred to one?

He'll play the Hitler-was-a-christian card, the Timothy McVeigh card and the Ojay card.

So, we'll frontload his argument for him to make it easier. He's gonna need it.

[Naturalized-Texan]

Originally Posted by Shedinja500
As for the settlements being disbanded, you're thinking of Gaza. The West Bank is still full to the brim with illegal Israeli settlements.
Actually, the "Palestinians" are the ones who are there illegally. All the land to the west of the Jordan River rightfully belongs to Israel. That has never been "Palestinian" land and never should be. In fact, there has never been a nation called Palestine or nationality called Palestinians. Those who are now called "Palestinians" were really nomads who roamed throughout the Middle East after they immigrated from Crete.

In the League of Nations mandate, the entire west bank was allocated to the Jews, while the land east of the Jordan River (Trans-Jordan, now Jordan) was set aside as the homeland for those nomads now known as Palestinians. Unfortunately, the Arabs refused to allow them to settle there because they were riff-raff - and they still are.

[dPrasse]

Back to the original question ....

Reagan , Newt , Fred Thompson ... whomever ... the reaction would have been so swift , we'd not be talking "What would .... "

[Suzie]

He'll play the Hitler-was-a-christian card, the Timothy McVeigh card and the Ojay card.

So, we'll frontload his argument for him to make it easier. He's gonna need it.

Shhh you aren't supposed tell them we have heard the broken record already, make them run out of things to cut and paste first.

[DoctorDoom]

It may not be necessary to show this one the door. His arse has already been reduced to

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v349/DocDoom777/MiscStuff/RawBurger.jpg

and shortly it will be grilled.

[Wolfcounsel]

"Someone tell me why this fool is still here?" --The_Elucidator

Comic relief, I say. I like watching monkeys try to get it on with a football.<!-- / message --><!-- sig -->

[Lubbock]

Wyatt, that is falling off the chair funny!

And dead-bang accurate.

Hat's off to NT for his post. A nice history lesson for our young friend . . .but will he take it to heart? Probably not.

[Maggie_T]

On a forum, I don't mind when these losers visit; I just don't see any need for them to STAY for more than a post or two. When someone can't be coherent in his first post, odds are that he never will. When something like that happens once, great, you can spend ages joking about it. But giving hippies, moonbats, or any other itinerant folk an open invitation to stay with you for as long as they want? Nothing good can come out of that.

Non, if I never read your posts, and I wanted to know why you were elected PoM, the above-paragraph would more than answer my question. :thumb:

[Maggie_T]

Someone tell me why this fool is still here?

Because the administration at FC is tolerant and patient to a fault.

I would have kicked his sorry butt back to DU, or FSTDT, or WeLoveRosie.com, or wherever he came from, long time ago. I fully agree with Noncom: "... giving hippies, moonbats, or any other itinerant folk an open invitation to stay with you for as long as they want? Nothing good can come out of that."

I've been posting at FC for years. Every time the Sheddies come along the quality of the the threads they infest goes down a couple of notches. And they are ALL the same brand of unaccountably pedantic, embarassingly ill-informed, stupid, juvenile, knee-jerk liberals. You'd think they're carbon copies of each other.

And just like before, this too will pass.

[Beowulf]

As for the settlements being disbanded, you're thinking of Gaza. The West Bank is still full to the brim with illegal Israeli settlements.

I look at it this way, Shedinja. Seven Arab nations attacked Israel. Seven days later, Israel defeated them all, taking the Sinai Peninsula from Egypt and the Golan Heights, West Bank and Gaza Strip from Syria.

Egypt got smart and started recognizing Israel as a nation and guess what, they got their land back.

As far as I'm concerned, the rest is Israels. They won, the Arabs lost and they don't deserve back what they lost. I see nothing illegal in Israelis settling in land they won fair and square.

[DoctorDoom]

Fortunes of war and all that.

[noncom]

I look at it this way, Shedinja. Seven Arab nations attacked Israel. Seven days later, Israel defeated them all, taking the Sinai Peninsula from Egypt and the Golan Heights, West Bank and Gaza Strip from Syria.

Egypt got smart and started recognizing Israel as a nation and guess what, they got their land back.

As far as I'm concerned, the rest is Israels. They won, the Arabs lost and they don't deserve back what they lost. I see nothing illegal in Israelis settling in land they won fair and square.
It has nothing to do with reparations; it's called self-defense. Without the Gaza Strip, Israel's Eastern border is almost completely indefensible.( http://www.palestinercs.org/images/Index%20Page/WB&GZ170602_VA.gif )

Basically, Isreal was mugged, fought off its attacker, and now liberals are trying to help the mugger get his "stolen" gun back.

"Fairness" has absolutely nothing to do with any of this. The ONLY thing Israel wants is survival. And that is what the Islamofascists and the deeply concerned idiots on the left want them to give up.

[Venus de Smilo]

The Iranians remember Jimmy Carter, and they see the democrats now are the same as he was. So they will try and do whatever they can get away with while the liberals keep trying to "talk" to them and the Iranians laugh in their face.

You're exactly right. And as soon as the 'rats take full control, meaning the congress AND the white house, the ragheads will start blowing stuff up pretty much unfettered and wherever they like. We'll have to put up with it for four years and then Americans might get fed up with having schools, planes and stadia blown up every other week and vote in somebody who promises to DO something about it. Then, once that somebody does something about it, the media will start another of its war on America campaigns, telling the populace we can't win and our soldiers are dying for no reason, and then they'll once again prop up yet another Jimmy Carter type, and so on and so on. As long as the media stays the same, this country is doomed to this cycle.

[dPrasse]

You're exactly right. And as soon as the 'rats take full control, meaning the congress AND the white house, the ragheads will start blowing stuff up pretty much unfettered and wherever they like. ... As long as the media stays the same, this country is doomed to this cycle.

Oh , and ALL of the attacks happening while the US is under the Dimowit administration will be the fault of Repubs , anywayz ...

[DoctorDoom]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v349/DocDoom777/Israel/Israel600.gif

The insanity of "giving back" the West Bank to the Palesterrorists (who never owned it in the first place) is abundantly obvious in this map.

1. It creates a narrow passageway to Jerusalerm that could easily be blocked by the Palesterrorists, cutting off Jewish access to their holy city.

2. It creates a pinch point near Netanya that could be used to isolate northern Israel from southern Israel.

3. It gives the Palesterrorists/Arabs a 230-mile-long border that extends deep into Israel, from which the Palesterrorists could launch massive attacks on Israel, and bring in materiel from Jordan and Syria.

If the West Bank ever becomes a Palesterrorist state, Isreal will sign its own death warrant. And they're neither inssane nor suicidal.

[Beowulf]

It has nothing to do with reparations; it's called self-defense.
I didn't say anything in regards to reparations, Noncom. I just said, Israel won a 6 day war and as the victor, gets the spoils. Israel owes nothing to it's neighbors.