House Passes Expanded Hate Crimes Bill

[d'urville]

By a virtual party-line vote, the Republicans failed in a bid to amend this bill, H.R. 1592, to expand coverage to seniors and the military, must not be part of the Chosen Ones.

House Passes Expanded Hate Crimes Bill

By JIM ABRAMS, Associated Press Writer
Thursday, May 3, 2007

(05-03) 11:00 PDT WASHINGTON, (AP) --
Just hours after the White House issued a veto threat Thursday, the House voted to add gender and sexual orientation to the categories covered by federal hate crimes law.

The House legislation, passed 237-180, also makes it easier for federal law enforcement to take part in or assist local prosecutions involving bias-motivated attacks. Similar legislation is also moving through the Senate, setting the stage for another veto showdown with President Bush.

"This is an important vote of conscience, of a statement of what America is, a society that understands that we accept differences," said House Majority Leader Steny Hoyer, D-Md.

Rep. Barney Frank, D-Mass., the only openly gay man in the House, presided over the chamber as the final vote was taken.
http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/n/a/2007/05/03/national/w105804D83.DTL

Barney Frank? Couldn't have picked a worse choice, Democrats really DO exist in the here and now. Bush successfully vetoed a similar bill when he was governor of Texas in 1999.


Edited by DD to eliminate table code.

[Wolfcounsel]

No law on this planet is going to shut me up. You congressional jackasses can shove your bill up your asses!

[DoctorDoom]

They'd probably enjoy that.

This outrageous bill is more evidence of the political power of the militant faggots, and of their obsession with ramming their perversion down America's collective throat. The poofters need to be bitchslapped back into the closet.

Note the shameless cynicism and contempt of the RAT heathens in passing this unholy atrocity on the National Day of Prayer. This is not a coincidence. It's a deliberate slap in the face to Christians. God help America!

[Naturalized-Texan]

Bush Expected to Veto 'Hate Crimes' Bill (http://www.cnsnews.com/ViewPolitics.asp?Page=/Politics/archive/200705/POL20070503d.html)

President Bush looks likely to veto a "hate crimes" bill under debate in the U.S. House of Representatives on Thursday if it is approved by Congress. Conservatives quickly responded by thanking the president for upholding "our nation's constitutional tradition of equal protection under the law."

"The administration favors strong criminal penalties for violent crime, including crime based on personal characteristics, such as race, color, religion or national origin," according to a statement released by the Executive Office of the President.

"However, the administration believes that H.R. 1592 is unnecessary and constitutionally questionable," the release stated. "If H.R. 1592 were presented to the president, his senior advisors would recommend that he veto the bill." The sentence containing the veto reference was underlined in the statement.

[CountryGent]

Bush should not only Veto this piece of crap Bill but he should roll it up tight and beat Frank over the damn head with it as well.:thumb::thumb:

[Antigone]

Bawny Fwank would probably like it and ask for more.

[The_Elucidator]

God help America!

Why should he, in the time it took me to type this post 3 more babies have been aborted!

[DoctorDoom]

I'm hoping, but I must concur that America may well have exceeded God's limit of tolerance. One Nation Under God is zealously trying to eject Him, and He can take a hint.

God can be pushed too far, as this passage makes clear:

2 Kings 23:25 And like unto him was there no king before him, that turned to the LORD with all his heart, and with all his soul, and with all his might, according to all the law of Moses; neither after him arose there any like him.
26 Notwithstanding the LORD turned not from the fierceness of his great wrath, wherewith his anger was kindled against Judah, because of all the provocations that Manasseh had provoked him withal.
27 And the LORD said, I will remove Judah also out of my sight, as I have removed Israel, and will cast off this city Jerusalem which I have chosen, and the house of which I said, My name shall be there.

[libertyman]

No law on this planet is going to shut me up. You congressional jackasses can shove your bill up your asses!

No kidding, WC. Excellent way of saying it! :claps:

[Beowulf]

Just what we don't need, giving special consideration to more people.

[MrsJacks]

Hate crime legislation is a joke. A crime is a crime. It shouldn't be considered any worse to murder an elderly woman than it is to murder a woman in her mid-twenties. It shouldn't be considered any worse to murder a black man than it would be to murder a white man. The list goes on and on.

[DoctorDoom]

How très incorrect of you! My goodness! Don't you know that a murdered darling of the politically-correct crowd is more dead or differently dead than a murdered white, heterosexual Christian?

[Air-Warrior]

The net effect of passing this "thought police" legislation is that the trial of the defendant becomes a two-part monstrosity. 1st part is to determine guilt, 2nd part is to determine his motivation. As if courts weren't backlogged enough as it is.

Additionally, it serves as a discount coupon:

WHILE THEY LAST!!!
Beat up (or kill)
a white, Christian (straight) male and receive
20% or more
off your sentence
...no known expiration date.
(bring a clever lawyer who can rationalize your racial/social/sexual angst and get off scott free!!!)

[Naturalized-Texan]

This bill reminds me of the thought control enforced by the Nazis and Communists.

[oldcoastie]

No law on this planet is going to shut me up. You congressional jackasses can shove your bill up your asses!

With sand! :flame:

[Attero Dominatus]

This bill reminds me of the thought control enforced by the Nazis and Communists.

That's pretty much what it is.

[pRIMrose]

George Orwell's 1984 is alive and well. :rolleyes:

With hate crime legislation can the "Thought Police" be far behind?


The Thought Police (thinkpol in Newspeak (http://www.freeconservatives.com/wiki/Newspeak)) are the secret police (http://www.freeconservatives.com/wiki/Secret_police) in George Orwell (http://www.freeconservatives.com/wiki/George_Orwell)'s dystopian (http://www.freeconservatives.com/wiki/Dystopia) novel Nineteen Eighty-Four (http://www.freeconservatives.com/wiki/Nineteen_Eighty-Four). It is the job of the Thought Police to uncover and punish thoughtcrime (http://www.freeconservatives.com/wiki/Thoughtcrime) and thought criminals, using psychology (http://www.freeconservatives.com/wiki/Psychology) and omnipresent surveillance (http://www.freeconservatives.com/wiki/Surveillance) from telescreens (http://www.freeconservatives.com/wiki/Telescreen) to find and eliminate members of society who were capable of the mere thought of challenging ruling authority. The government (http://www.freeconservatives.com/wiki/Inner_Party) attempts to control not only the speech and actions, but also the thoughts (http://www.freeconservatives.com/wiki/Thought) of its subjects, labeling unapproved thoughts with the term thoughtcrime, or, in Newspeak, crimethink.


Wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thought_Police)

[Attero Dominatus]

With hate crime legislation can the "Thought Police" be far behind?

Considering that hillary would love that sort of thing no it is not that far behind.

[DesertFox]

"This is an important vote of conscience, of a statement of what America is, a society that understands that we accept differences," said House Majority Leader Steny HoyerSeems to me just the opposite. They so detest differences that they call them hate.

[Wolfcounsel]

There won't be any thought police needed with me. I'll carve my thoughts on their asses if they try to legislate my freedom of speech! Anybody else think the same way, or are the monkeys in Washington on the right path? How about you liberal, spineless weenies out there lurking, and especially you homos out there, chiming in?

[Kathy30]

Seems to me just the opposite. They so detest differences that they call them hate.

It would not be so bad if all they wanted was acceptance of differences. What they want is endorsement of differences that some find abhorrent.

[teromen]

Everytime I read the views on homosexuality on this forum it reminds me how glad I am to own a gun. It also reminds he mad I am that if I ever use it to defend myself from a prejudice person the government will ruin my life. Can't win em all. Liberals understand how people are and then turn around and try to keep us from defending ourselves. They know people will kill people they target and hate regarless of the law, but they assume police will always be there. It's sick. This bill opens up more room for government prejudice, on either side in the future. It also brings to question why liberals are against profiling but then support hate crimes.

I got threatened by one of your kind with a assault rifle. Threatened, harrassed and abbused. Buying a rifle was a easy choice after that. I shouldnt have to put up with such things just because some group of society thinks it is ok. We should have to run our own lives. Take care of our own troubles.
And if someone else wants to run it, then they also need to pay the bills.

[teromen]

Nazis and Russian communists killed homosexuals. They wanted social order, and anyone that wasn't efficient towards society or the father (Hitler) was suppressed or killed.

[DesertFox]

Um, they killed them unless they were useful. Himmler was a reputed queer, and several others including Goering. Ernst Rohm, who put together the SA and was the only man ever known to address Hitler in the familiar second person singular, was a queer with nobody doubting it.

We don't have as much information on the Bolsheviks, but suspicion was pretty strong about Felix Djerzhinski, first top dog of the KGB (called the Cheka at the time). Usually it was the second-tier people who engaged openly in their predilection.

In both systems, if they got too rowdy about it, they did indeed get shot for the crime of homosexuality.

[MrSanity]

If Bush isn't going to veto this piece of crap, then it's time for another American Revolution.

[DesertFox]

It won't get thru the Senate.

[Beowulf]

If Bush isn't going to veto this piece of crap, then it's time for another American Revolution.

We've been in need of that now for awhile. With the amnesty crap going on and the selling out of America to China and the Arab states, it's overdue and in my opinion, necessary. This isn't the country I once defended.

[MrSanity]

It won't get thru the Senate.I don't know about that. A 237-180 passage in the House is not a good sign.

[cerebraldebris]

We've been in need of that now for awhile. With the amnesty crap going on and the selling out of America to China and the Arab states, it's overdue and in my opinion, necessary. This isn't the country I once defended.

This is where my generation needs to step up and honor the sacrifices made for us by patriots such as yourself and others on this forum, and to defend those who are currently making those sacrifices for this country. It's a battle on many fronts. One of those being right here at home-
Evil is raging across this nation and its name is liberalism (http://www.cerebralcatharsis.com/index.php?option=com_myblog&show=the-evil-that-libs-do.html&Itemid=76).

Question is- are we going to actually do what's necessary?

[Attero Dominatus]

This is where my generation needs to step up and honor the sacrifices made for us by patriots such as yourself and others on this forum, and to defend those who are currently making those sacrifices for this country. It's a battle on many fronts. One of those being right here at home-
Evil is raging across this nation and its name is liberalism (http://www.cerebralcatharsis.com/index.php?option=com_myblog&show=the-evil-that-libs-do.html&Itemid=76).

Question is- are we going to actually do what's necessary?

Agree. And that is a good question. Well, we know at least half this country will be sheeple and take whatever is sent their way.

[Wolfcounsel]

"Question is- are we going to actually do what's necessary?" --cerebraldebris

Look at your alternative--a nation of monkeys and their masters.

[cerebraldebris]

"Question is- are we going to actually do what's necessary?" --cerebraldebris

Look at your alternative--a nation of monkeys and their masters.

Not an alternative I'm willing to live with.

Monkeys and their masters-
Bandar-log
Bandar-log (Hindi (http://www.answers.com/topic/hindi): बन्दर-लोग) is a term used in Rudyard Kipling (http://www.answers.com/topic/rudyard-kipling)'s The Jungle Book (http://www.answers.com/topic/the-jungle-book) to describe monkeys (http://www.answers.com/topic/monkey). In Hindi, Bandar means 'monkey' and log means 'people'. The Bandar-log feature most prominently in the story "Kaa's Hunting (http://www.answers.com/topic/kaa-s-hunting)", where their scatterbrained anarchy causes them to be treated as pariahs (http://www.answers.com/topic/pariah) by the rest of the jungle.

[d'urville]

It won't get thru the Senate.

Right now, it's bottled up in committee, but it won't stay in THAT committee for very long:

http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/z?d110:SN01105:@@@C

Kennedy has 43 co-sponsors (the VT socialist, Lieberman, no Rs) on this bill. I have heard it's in some trouble but will probably pass narrowly, but Bush has already promised the veto:


President Bush Promises to Veto Homosexual Hate Crime Bill if Passed


WASHINGTON, May 3, 2007 (LifeSiteNews.com) - The Executive Office of the President has issued a statement promising to veto "hate crimes" bill H.R. 1592 should it be approved in Congress today. Concerned Women for America, one of the leading groups fighting the legislation praised the President's move. "We thank President Bush for honoring our nation's constitutional tradition of equal protection under the law," said Matt Barber, Policy Director for Cultural Issues at Concerned Women for America.


The text of the statement follows form the executive office follows:


"The Administration favors strong criminal penalties for violent crime, including crime based on personal characteristics, such as race, color, religion, or national origin. However, the Administration believes that H.R. 1592 is unnecessary and constitutionally questionable. If H.R. 1592 were presented to the President, his senior advisors would recommend that he veto the bill."


http://www.lifesite.net/ldn/2007/may/07050302.html

He vetoed a similar bill back in Texas in 1999, that veto was sustained, too.

[MrSanity]

Bush is finally waking up. It seemed like he was a domestic sleeping giant for the majority of his term when it came to using his vetoing powers.

[Beowulf]

Bush is finally waking up. It seemed like he was a domestic sleeping giant for the majority of his term when it came to using his vetoing powers.

Agreed! Time he start being a Conservative again and start pushing accountability instead of excuses like the Democrats do such as mental illness and the like.

[omegatrump]

We can hope Bush can find his veto pen. It was lost the first 5 years of his Reign.

I will give him a Hurah if he actually does. He's been such a disapointment I'm not going to hold my breath.

[Lazarus]

This bill is precisely the same political farce that they tried with the deadline for troop withdrawals... The Left knows Bush will veto the bill... They have absolutely no expectation that it will become law... This is an empty gesture to play up to the radical left in Bush's final years... They know the radical left is all they have...

This just shows how petty, churlish, and disengenuous the left is... These bills are not meant to improve the lot of the American people - They are intentionally passing hard left-wing legistlation in a symbolic act to pander to the radicals... Symbolism is all the Left has...