View Full Version : Global warming debunked (another "science denier" speaks)
DoctorDoom
05-19-2007, 12:34 AM
Climate change will be considered a joke in five years time, meteorologist Augie Auer told the annual meeting of Mid Canterbury Federated Farmers in Ashburton this week.
Man's contribution to the greenhouse gases was so small we couldn't change the climate if we tried, he maintained.
"We're all going to survive this. It's all going to be a joke in five years," he said.Global warming debunked (http://www.stuff.co.nz/print/4064691a6571.html)
AlBore's list of scientists whose "views are wrong" grows daily.
DesertFox
05-19-2007, 02:32 PM
From the article: Water vapour was responsible for 95 per cent of the greenhouse effect, an effect which was vital to keep the world warm, he explained.
"If we didn't have the greenhouse effect the planet would be at minus 18 deg C but because we do have the greenhouse effect it is plus 15 deg C, all the time."
DesertFox
05-19-2007, 02:32 PM
We can already see the outlines of much of what's gonna happen when Christ returns. One heckuva lotta today's headlines will be laughed into the toilet.
DeclinetoState
05-20-2007, 10:50 AM
In the first week of May 2006, former NZ MetService chief meteorologist Augie Auer said global warming was a myth. He blamed journalists and bad science.
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In a nutshell, his main argument against anthropogenic (human made) climate change, and an argument made by many other climate sceptics is, that water vapour in the atmosphere is a much more potent 'greenhouse' gas than Co2 and that due to the vast abundance of water vapour the relatively small (380 parts per billion) Co2 content in the atmosphere would not contribute much to global warming, let alone the small contribution that humans were making to that Co2 content. And as most water vapour is naturally generated due to evaporation of the oceans, there was nothing that humanity would be able to do about it. <O:p
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Let us look at the situation a bit more carefully:
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It is true that by comparison of quantity there is a hell of a lot more water vapour in the atmosphere than Co2. Water vapour is a perfect absorber of infrared radiation and thus the main contributor to the so called 'greenhouse' effect. So far Augie is right.
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And he is also right, that the Earth would be covered in ice, if it was not for the warming blanket of that water vapour.
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However Augie omits to say this: Water vapour is not absorbing (shielding against radiation heat loss) in the entire infrared spectrum. In fact there are, thankfully, a few relatively clear 'open windows' in the absorption spectrum of water vapour because of the physical properties of the water molecule. If it was not for these 'windows' in the absorption spectrum of water vapour, our earth would find it very difficult indeed to radiate heat away at all. And radiating in the infrared spectrum, a bit like the glow from your hot potbelly stove in winter, is the only way that Earth can loose thermal energy to space! If these remaining open windows in the infrared spectrum between the various bands in which water vapour absorbs were not there, then Earth would be a boiling quagmire, and not very conducive to the current forms of life. <O:p></O:p>
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Water is so abundant in the atmosphere that in those areas where it absorbs heat radiation, the atmosphere is practically impermeable or 'black'. In other words in these areas the absorption spectrum is completely saturated. And no matter how much more water vapour there would be, it can't get 'blacker than black'. It’s a bit like putting a black tarp over your window at home. After the first one it dose not matter how many more you add, it won't get any darker - at least through that window! <O:p
But here is the catch: Co2 and also Methane have absorption areas of infrared radiation in some of the few remaining 'windows' in which the earth can 'shine out' so to speak and loose heat, because these windows in the spectrum are not already closed by water vapour's thick blanket. And it does not take much of a Co2 concentration at all, to lead to a strong absorption in these areas. In fact Co2 is so good at absorbing heat radiation in its bands that even at the natural background concentration of 280 parts per billion of Co2, the atmosphere is practically already almost 'black' in the centre of the Co2 absorption band!More (http://www.te-software.co.nz/blog/augie_auer.htm)
As I understand the argument, even a very small change in the amount of CO<SUB>2</SUB> could cause enough of a temperature change to lead to catastrophic changes. The balance is quite precarious.
DeclinetoState
05-20-2007, 10:59 AM
More stuff, including letters on both sides of the issue, in SO THE SCIENCE IS SETTLED, IS IT? (http://72.14.253.104/search?q=cache:ZJZgW2ER6-IJ:members.iinet.net.au/~glrmc/NZH-HodgsonAffair-21-02-05.rtf+%22Augie+Auer%22&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=3&gl=us) at the New Zealand Herald.
DoctorDoom
05-20-2007, 12:24 PM
As I understand the argument, even a very small change in the amount of CO2 could cause enough of a temperature change to lead to catastrophic changes. The balance is quite precarious.That's the ecowacko "argument", and it's utter bullshit. CO2 is a very minor player in global weather, and anthropogenic CO2's impact is vanishingly small.
The major contributor is water vapor, but the loonies have no idea how to change that, so they fixate on CO2 and attribute a role to it that has no basis in fact. It's equivalent to looking up on a breezy day, seeing a flock of geese overhead, and saying that their wings are causing the breeze.
Gorebull Warming is a religion, not a science.
Naturalized-Texan
05-20-2007, 03:55 PM
More (http://www.te-software.co.nz/blog/augie_auer.htm)
As I understand the argument, even a very small change in the amount of CO<SUB>2</SUB> could cause enough of a temperature change to lead to catastrophic changes.
Yeah. About as much as a few farts in a hurricane. See my sig line.
PaulRevere
05-21-2007, 06:00 AM
Water vapour was responsible for 95 per cent of the greenhouse effect, an effect which was vital to keep the world warm, he explained.
That's why the temperature drops so sharply at night in desert areas as the heat escapes into space and less in humid areas.
Hey, I got it! Lets build a giant vacuum and suck the heat out of humid areas and into space. I vote for San Francisco - but let's wait until Al Bore and/or Nancy Pelosi are in town! That'll put an end to a lot of hot air!
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