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Etaoin
05-31-2007, 10:35 PM
Unable to link this Email, but worth reading!


Muth's Truths
May 31, 2007


BUSH'S ATTACK ON AMNESTY OPPONENTS
When it comes to dealing with the illegal immigration issue, President Bush and his administration are their own worst enemies. On other issues, the president is sugar and spice when it comes to Democrat opponents. But when it comes to rule-of-law conservative opposition to his "amnesty" proposal, the preferred method of operation is akin to thwacking the hornet's nest with a stick.
You may recall that when the Minutemen first brought this issue to major public attention a few years ago with their volunteer border patrols, President Bush called them "vigilantes." And it's been pretty much all downhill from there, leading to his big May 29 speech on the current immigration reform proposal at the Federal Law Enforcement Training Center (FLETC) in Georgia.
The president began his remarks by introducing two Hispanic members of his administration, Secretary of Commerce Carlos Gutierrez and former Cabinet member Mel Martinez, now a U.S. Senator from Florida. Both were born in Cuba. "I want to mention those two men because, to me, they represent what the immigration debate is all about," the president said.
So right out of the chute the president misrepresents the issue. I don't believe Gutierrez and Martinez are ILLEGAL immigrants. They and/or their families immigrated here LEGALLY. And it appears both came here to escape the oppression of the Castro regime, not to simply get a higher-paying job. So Gutierrez and Martinez are NOT what this immigration debate is about. The issue is over those who BREAK the law to get here.
The president then recounted exactly what the individuals training at FLETC were there for: "You're going to safeguard our ports of entry, you'll investigate workplace immigration violations, and you'll arrest those breaking the law. We are a nation of laws, and we expect people to keep the laws. And if they break the laws, there will be a consequence."
Yes, and according the president that consequence for some 10-12 million (and counting) illegal aliens who have already broken the law is.a path to citizenship.
And the president still doesn't understand why so many people are opposed to this?
The president then patted his own administration on the back for how significantly it's changed immigration enforcement over the years. "One way to measure how things have changed is look at the budget," the president said. "We've doubled the funding for border security since I took office."
Yes, that's one way to measure how things have changed; usually the Democrats' way. Simply throwing more money at a problem doesn't fix it. If it did, the public school system in this country would be the envy of the world. It's not. This type of "mo' money" mentality is part of the reason why the president has lost so much of his fiscal conservative base since taking office.
The president next insisted that his administration has taken border security seriously. "As a matter of fact," the president said, "we take it so seriously that I asked the governors to put some National Guard troops down there until our Border Patrol agents got trained."
As if. The president was dragged kicking and screaming to put troops on the border. The governors of California, Arizona and New Mexico took the lead in this regard because Washington and the Bush administration refused to act. The Bush folks only finally and reluctantly took border enforcement seriously because they were forced to. It's rather disingenuous to now try to take credit for that action.
Next the president took credit for ending what became known as "catch-and-release," the process whereby an illegal alien was caught, arrested and then released with the understanding that the illegal alien would return for a deportation hearing. "Well, the problem was the people didn't want to come back for their hearing," Bush explained. "They generally wanted to go to work and so they would just disappear."
Good grief. According to this statement, illegal aliens didn't show up for their deportation hearings because they didn't want to lose time on their job, not because they didn't want to be sent back home. And he said it with a straight face. Talk about misrepresentation.
Nevertheless, the president took credit for ending catch-and-release, saying, "It sends a strong signal to people: If you come to the country, we will find you, and we're going to send you home, so don't try to come in the first place."
This is laughable. Earlier this month there were protests and demonstrations all across the country by illegal aliens. It was on all the networks. So it didn't exactly require Dick Tracy to find people who have entered this country illegally. They were giving media interviews, for crying out loud! Now exactly how many of those folks were on the receiving end of the president's "strong signal" and were sent home? I mean their home in their NATIVE country, not the one here.
The president next talked tough about cracking down on businesses who hire illegal aliens - as though employers are somehow responsible for doing one of the few constitutionally mandated jobs of the federal government. "It's against the law to hire somebody who is here illegally. That's the law," the president declared. "And the message to employers, if you're hiring somebody here that you know is illegal, we're going to - - there's a consequence to be paid. That's what a nation that bases its system on rule of law does."
So a restaurant owner who only wants to hire someone who will show up on time and wash the dishes is going to pay a criminal price if the employee turns out to be an illegal alien who somehow slipped past the president's new-and-improved, tough-as-nails border security measures. But what about the illegal alien who broke the law in the first place, putting the poor restaurant owner in jeopardy? Why, he gets a path to citizenship! What a deal.
Employers shouldn't be responsible for immigration enforcement. How is the average small business owner supposed to know if the Social Security card and driver's license he's presented with by a job applicant is real or a forgery? And if he decides to do a little extra checking because the applicant has a Hispanic name, he gets nailed for "profiling." The poor schlub is in a no-win situation.
The president next complimented ICE (Immigration and Customs Enforcement agency) for making "more than 3,000 arrests for immigration violations since the beginning of this fiscal year."
Great, only 9,997,000 to go.give or take a few million. Not bad for 15,000 employees on a bare-bones taxpayer-funded budget of just $4.2 billion. That would be one arrest for every five employees at a cost of only $1.4 million per arrest. Yep, we're really getting our bang for our buck there, aren't we?
OK, yes, that was two parts sarcasm mixed with one part hyperbole on my part. But if the president's gonna do it, so am I.
Now we get to one of my favorite lines from the president's speech: "It's important for our American citizens to understand that the immigration system is in desperate need for comprehensive reform."
No, Mr. President. The American people understand this issue perfectly well. We do NOT need "comprehensive" new immigration laws; we simply need to enforce the EXISTING laws.
We tried this "amnesty" thing some 20 years ago. Gave just about everyone who was illegally in the country a blanket get-out-of-jail-free card. Now, 20 non-enforcement years later, you want the American people to believe that if we just give you your guest-worker program - complete with a path to citizenship for people who have entered the country illegally - then you'll really, really, really start enforcing the immigration laws of this nation.
Sorry, but in the immortal words of Chief Engineer Montgomery Scott of the Starship Enterprise: "Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me." Or as The Who succinctly put it, "We won't get fooled again."
And while we're on the subject of trying to fool most of the people some of the time, the president again reiterated what is perhaps the biggest fraud of this entire illegal immigration debate; that illegal aliens are doing "jobs Americans aren't doing." He repeated the claim multiple times during the remainder of the speech.
"There are no such jobs," pointed out economist Thomas Sowell recently. "Even in the sector of the economy in which illegal immigrants have the highest representation -- agriculture -- they are just 24 percent of the workers. Where did the other 76 percent come from, if these are jobs that Americans won't do?" So much for that argument.
It was at this point that the president became down-right insulting.
First he praised senators "who put politics aside and put courage first" in supporting his "comprehensive" bill. He applauded them for doing "what's right, not what's comfortable" in the face of criticism. Or put another way, those of us who don't support his amnesty-by-another-name proposal are cowards who are wrong and are simply playing politics.
The president next said, "A lot of Americans are skeptical about immigration reform primarily because they don't think the government can fix the problems." (Well.duh) "And my answer to the skeptics is.give us a chance to fix this problem." The president continued: "For decades we have not been in complete control of the borders and many people have lost faith in our capacity to get control of the borders. (Well.duh) I ask them to look at what's taken place over the past years, recent years."
Ummm.they are, Mr. President. The government has had over 20 years to fix this problem since the last amnesty was sold to us. And you have presided over the last six. We tend to think we've given y'all plenty of chances to fix this problem already. Our patience has grown thin.
Next the president advised that his bill would "promote tamper-resistant identification cards.that some document forger can't foist off as a document for somebody to come and pick peaches here in Georgia." The president desperately wants us to believe this whole issue is about nothing more than peach-picking in Georgia. Totally disingenuous.
But this tamper-resistant ID card idea presents a whole host of additional problems and new concerns for both American workers and employers. Will you and I, American citizens, have to get one of these new tamper-resistant ID cards in order to pick peaches in Georgia? I don't know about you, but I'm not good with that.
But if EVERY prospective peach-picker isn't required to present a tamper-resistant ID card, how's an employer supposed to know which applicants are legal and which aren't? And the first time an employer asks an American citizen named Julio Valdez to present a tamper-resistant ID card, he opens himself to a rash of lawsuits and EEOC complaints. So while this tamper-resistant ID card sounds great on the surface, it's a whole new nightmare (unless you're a lawyer or government bureaucrat) waiting to happen.
At this point, the president began singing the praises of his proposed amnesty.er (http://amnesty.er/), guest-worker plan. "If you're interested in securing the border, wouldn't you rather have Border Patrol agents chasing down terrorists and gun runners and dope runners as opposed to people who are coming to do jobs Americans aren't doing?"
What the president is saying here is that if you oppose his "comprehensive" immigration reform proposal, then YOU'RE responsible for terrorists, gun runners and drug dealers not being caught. But the really outrageous thing about this statement is the fact that there are two Border Patrol agents sitting in jail right now - Ignacio Ramos and Jose Alonso Compean - for chasing down a notorious drug smuggler, shooting him in the butt and capturing him. Funny how the president failed to mention that. Disgraceful that he hasn't yet issued a pardon for these Border Patrol agents.
Time to talk about "amnesty."
"Amnesty is forgiveness for being here without any penalties, that's what amnesty is," the president explained. "I oppose it. The authors, many of the authors of this bill oppose it. This bill is not an amnesty bill. If you want to scare the American people, what you say is the bill is an amnesty bill. It's not an amnesty bill. That's empty political rhetoric, trying to frighten our fellow citizens."
Talk about empty political rhetoric. Here we go again with the ol' Humpty Dumpty routine: "When I use a word it means just what I choose it to mean - nothing more nor less."
As the president explains, his "not amnesty" bill will allow an illegal alien to apply for a "Z" visa. To get the "Z" visa, which will enable him or her to continue working here, the illegal alien "must admit they violated the law and pay a meaningful penalty, pass a strict background check, hold a job, maintain a clean record, and eventually learn English." Then, if the illegal alien who broke the nation's immigration laws to get here wants to become an actual citizen, he or she "would first have to pay an additional fine" and "return home to file an application for your green card."
Let's put this in another perspective: If I break into Sen. Ted Kennedy's Massachusetts home and move into one of his spare bedrooms, as long as I pay a fine, pass a background check, keep a job, stay out of trouble and speak drunkenese, I can continue to live there.
And if I just pay a little bit more of a fine, I can actually become a member of the Kennedy family, as long as I return briefly to Nevada and fill out some paperwork. The fact that I broke the law by breaking into his home in the first place doesn't mean I have to move out. I'm forgiven, and won't suffer any penalty other than having to pay a little fine.
But that's not amnesty, right?
Back to the president bashing opponents of his "not amnesty" bill.
"This reform is complex. There's a lot of emotions around this issue. Convictions run deep. Those determined to find fault with this bill will always be able to look at a narrow slice of it and find something they don't like. If you want to kill the bill, if you don't want to do what's right for America, you can pick one little aspect out of it, you can use it to frighten people."
Un.be (http://un.be.li/).lievable. According to the president, Americans whose "convictions run deep" on this "complex" and "emotional" issue "don't want to do what's right for America." And the amnesty aspect of the proposal isn't anything major; heck, it's only a "narrow slice" of the bill. And anyone who disagrees is just trying to "frighten" people. Talk about how to win friends and influence people.
Well, at least he didn't call us all a bunch of vigilantes this time. So I guess that's progress. But if I wasn't offended by the bill itself before, I am by the president's insulting characterizations of opponents in this speech, along with his mischaracterizations of the issue. And that's enough for me to conclude that this latest "comprehensive" reform scheme still sucks eggs and deserves a quick and painful death. Hasta la vista, baby.

maxparrish
06-01-2007, 02:49 PM
Let's boil this down to one simple, and undisputed fact, Bush is a:

LIAR!
He does not honor the truth, and he has no intention of doing so. He is a man without honor, without reason, and is functionally crippled. He will not keep his word, and he has very little integrity. And as he intentionally failed to protect these United States international borders he ought to be impeached and then tried and convicted for treason.

Rhino
06-01-2007, 03:14 PM
Let's boil this down to one simple, and undisputed fact, Bush is a:

LIAR!
He does not honor the truth, and he has no intention of doing so. He is a man without honor, without reason, and is functionally crippled. He will not keep his word, and he has very little integrity. And as he intentionally failed to protect these United States international borders he ought to be impeached and then tried and convicted for treason.I could be wrong here, so correct me if I am, but I'm guessing maybe, just maybe, you're one of the alienated base. :evilgrin: :rotflmbo:

Lazarus
06-01-2007, 03:28 PM
Come one Max... Dont sugar-coat it... Tell us how you REALLy feel... Let it out, buddy... Just let it flowwwww...:biggrin:

Rhino
06-01-2007, 03:30 PM
Hey! Since we've been alienated, can we get amnesty now?

Lazarus
06-01-2007, 04:40 PM
:rotflmbo:

MrSanity
06-01-2007, 04:45 PM
Why didn't I vote for Michael Peroutka?

http://www.klicktrack.com/shops/nons/releases/nonscd_94/images/nonscd_94.jpg

maxparrish
06-01-2007, 05:57 PM
Come one Max... Dont sugar-coat it... Tell us how you REALLy feel... Let it out, buddy... Just let it flowwwww...:biggrin:

"Let's talk"...

The man is a dirty rotten SOB....A scumbag, a horse dung eating, sewer water brained, mutant of a human being. A pimple on a whore's ass has more moral worth than this bag of destructive human flesh - a walking cancer on two legs. IF HE WAS NOT on fire I WOULD cross the road to piss on him. The man ought to be fed refried beans till his pea brain pops out of an ear.

But I am glad that I no longer hate him as much as I once did :thumb:

BuckeyeMike
06-01-2007, 06:51 PM
Yeah, I can see you're comin' around!

Timberwolf
06-01-2007, 09:45 PM
maxparrish...Wyatt Junker's not-so-evil twin???

Rock on, man...that was a keeper!! :thumb:

DesertFox
06-01-2007, 10:37 PM
I object to the abuse of language by the Left and I object to it by the Right. Bush hasn't assaulted anybody. Assault is a legal term that has a very specific meaning. Rush Limbaugh has drummed it into our heads that words have meanings, and Orwell was the first to point out that the Left's attack on our liberties began with the destruction of the language in just this way -- using words to mean things they don't, changing their meanings so that in time they mean nothing at all.

terri
06-02-2007, 12:32 AM
Below is a copy of the email I sent to the White House this morning. It won't be read nor paid attention to, of that I'm certain. The anger is very high, and rightly so. I'm wondering how this is all going to play out in the end. For me its almost as if our party has been ripped in two and can't be mended. You know Rome wasn't whipped from without, but from within. Could we be witnessing the beginnings of our own nation's slide to the trash heap?




Dear Mr. President,

I have supported you since before the 2000 election and voted, prayed and pulled for you during the terms that you have served in the Oval Office. I've always told anybody who'd listen, Thank God that George W. Bush is my son's Commander-In-Chief (My son is a Navy Corpsman serving in Iraq). But now, with this, this Immigration Bill and the insults you and those in the Senate have thrown at me and others like me, I've changed my mind and my support. And Sir, this gives me no joy.

The following quote is taken from Peggy Noonan's piece linked to the Drudge Report on the Web:

[The president has taken to suggesting that opponents of his immigration bill are unpatriotic--they "don't want to do what's right for America." His ally Sen. Lindsey Graham has said, "We're gonna tell the bigots to shut up." On Fox last weekend he vowed to "push back." Homeland Security Secretary Michael Chertoff suggested opponents would prefer illegal immigrants be killed; Commerce Secretary Carlos Gutierrez said those who oppose the bill want "mass deportation." Former Bush speechwriter Michael Gerson said those who oppose the bill are "anti-immigrant" and suggested they suffer from "rage" and "national chauvinism." Peggy Noonan]

Above all things, Mr. President, I'm a Christian and an American. I want to pass my country onto my children and to their children. I want our nation to remain a nation of laws not laws that are written to be broken when they are too difficult to enforce or when it becomes politically expiedent to dissolve them. I support immigration, legal immigration. I want those who are in this country illegally, deported. If that makes me a nativist, or should I say an unwashed, rednecked, gun toting, nativist, then so be it.

A year ago I would have laughed in the face of someone who told me that you would lose my support and confidence. Today I have, and with tears in my eyes, I write this email. As stated earlier, this gives me no joy. I wanted so much for you. I wanted your Presidency to go down as historic in its stance against Terrorism and stellar in its qualities of the man who occupied the Oval Office. Will it? We may have won the battle in Iraq, but you gave the home front to the Democrats and they've eaten people like my son alive and threaten to do worse. At one time you spoke reams of Compassionate Conservatism. Now you speak Liberalism and we've lost both houses of Congress and face the prospect of Hillary Clinton as the next President.

And you along with Lindsey Graham, Michael Chertoff, Carlos Gutierrez, Michael Gerson, and countless others look down from your elitest Washington DC offices and call people like me, ignorant hate-filled nativists.

I'm sorry for our Country. I truly am.

DesertFox
06-02-2007, 12:36 AM
Well said, terri.

Bluemoon_Rising
06-02-2007, 05:58 AM
I object to the abuse of language by the Left and I object to it by the Right. Bush hasn't assaulted anybody. Assault is a legal term that has a very specific meaning. Rush Limbaugh has drummed it into our heads that words have meanings, and Orwell was the first to point out that the Left's attack on our liberties began with the destruction of the language in just this way -- using words to mean things they don't, changing their meanings so that in time they mean nothing at all.

I didn't think it possible, Fox. But I profoundly disagree with you on this one. I'm pissed, and not just a little bit pissed. Grab some buckets, 'cause I'm pissing a river here. It's clear that it is Bush and the likes of McCain and others who are "Orwellianing" our asses on this one, throwing up straw men in front of every Dorothy that skips down the road.

This issue is not about whether or not we are going to eventually integrate the majority of illegals who are otherwise decent folks and only wish to get the hell up out of corrupt and dissolute societies for the sake of their families. This is about whether or not this friggin' government is going to once and for all enforce the extant rule of law laid down by the people or just blow us off and do whatever the hell it wants, in accordance with whatever the hell the elites decree.

I have made it clear in the past that I am willing -- as a matter of practicality and with respect to the sincere ambition of those desperadoes who are otherwise honest and hardworking folks -- to embrace a "comprehensive" solution. But first, I want legislation that shuts that friggin' border down! SHUT IT DOWN. NOW!

This government needs to show me once and for all that it is going to secure that friggin’ border first!

Then we can separate the sheep from the goats and determine who stays and who goes.

There's no friggin' doubt that Bush is using just the sort of language typically employed by the left -- Orwellian bullshit -- to demonize those who oppose his approach to so-called reform.

I have defended Bush on this board in the past against ridiculous charges, in spite of the fact that I never imagined his administration would fail to understand the difference between employing a lightening-fast offensive force against Saddam and the heavy forces required to stabilize Iraq after toppling his regime. The Administration's failure to bring it to Syria and Iran within just a few months of takin' Saddam's regime out is inexcusable . . . especially in light of its tough rhetoric. Hell, you don't give the left a chance to undermine your offensive. You take it to the asses of the source of the problem and shut the mouths of their leftist apologists in the West once and for all.

Given this SOB's signing of the so-called finance reform bill, the expansion of the Education Department, the boondoggle of the prescription drug bill, his mismanagement of the war and now his bullshit immigration rhetoric against the base of the party that kept his ass in office: I'm done with this punk.

I never thought it possible that I could talk about Bush like this . . . but this man has pissed away everything I believe in and everything Goldwater and Reagan painstakingly built. He has assaulted the base, and his is an attack against the coalition of traditional Republicans and patriotic Democrats that briefly put classical liberalism back in charge of this nation's government. It's the final straw for me.

Apparently, the son doesn't fall to far from the old north-eastern, liberal Republican establishment tree of the father after all.

Noonan says it all:

If they'd really wanted to help, as opposed to braying about their own wonderfulness, they would have created not one big bill but a series of smaller bills, each of which would do one big clear thing, the first being to close the border. Once that was done--actually and believably done--the country could relax in the knowledge that the situation was finally not day by day getting worse. They could feel some confidence. And in that confidence real progress could begin.

Mr. Bush,

The people don't deserve this. More than two-thirds of the people don't support this bill, Mr. President. Your political base, which stood with you through dark and desperate times, doesn't deserve this. Most especially those of us who knew from the beginning that taking down Saddam and confronting the Syrians and Iranians once and for all was the right thing to do, though your administration chickened out and squandered the moment, don't deserve this. It is the folks who most willingly support your last ditch effort to salvage the blood and treasure expended in Iraq while all others have abandoned you -- as we would see America’s head held high -- are the very same people whom you accuse. We simply demand that the border be secured once and for all before we deal with those here illegally. DONE WITH YOU, YOU STUPID BITCH.

terri
06-02-2007, 09:23 AM
Thanks DF; it was a tough email to send. Look guys, we're bloody well angry and we've every right to be. I'm at a loss. The Elites won't listen to those of us who call and with respect pour our hearts out, and they won't listen to those of us who choose to utilize course language. (By the way Blue Moon, was that another Kansas joke--straw men and girls named Dorothy! Former Kansas gal cringing as she writes this, LOL). Anyway, nothing will sway them.

It's a stratagey of beat the people down with deafness. They are betting that we give up, give in and forget this mess come the next election cycle. So now you see exactly what a suit coat in Washington DC thinks of all of us.

I can't speak for any of you guys, but I won't forget the insults and the deaf ears. Not this time. I'd join a March on Washington if someone would organize it. For me the country is beginning to form way too many parallels to ancient Rome. In my opinion we have begun the process of destroying ourselves from within. And who'd of thought our own Party would share the brunt of the blame?

nene
06-02-2007, 06:32 PM
...meanwhile, life is still good in this country. For all the problems we may have, life is really good.

DesertFox
06-02-2007, 07:38 PM
Understood, Moon. I'm as outraged as you. But an assault is a physical act; an attack can be metaphorical, but an assault is specifically a physical act.

MrSanity
06-02-2007, 07:47 PM
Although you can expect Bush to be suckered into an occasional amnesty bill, the reality of it all isn't going to make you feel any better. He not only endorses the worst amnesty bill since 1986, but he has the nerve to trash his most loyal supporters - the conservative base.

Senor Presidente, I only voted for you ONCE.

If you sign this piece of garbage, I will regret my vote for the rest of my life.

BuckeyeMike
06-02-2007, 09:39 PM
Understood, Moon. I'm as outraged as you. But an assault is a physical act; an attack can be metaphorical, but an assault is specifically a physical act.


Verbal assault......doesn't exist anymore? Since when? Hell, if it weren't for verbal assault, some on this board wouldn't have anything to say!

terri
06-03-2007, 11:16 AM
...meanwhile, life is still good in this country. For all the problems we may have, life is really good.

Yes, life is good; can't deny that. Materially and healthwise, I have it great--for now. But when I read your statement I immediately thought about a little 7 year old girl here in Indianapolis who was raped last week. Her assailant; an illegal from South America. Her life will never be the same. And this is the type of person who will become legal with the stroke of a pen should the Amnesty Bill pass.

DesertFox
06-03-2007, 11:19 AM
Verbal assault......doesn't exist anymore?Sure it does. But the thread title says Bush assaults his base, not Bush verbally assaults his base.

Bluemoon_Rising
06-03-2007, 01:22 PM
Understood, Moon. I'm as outraged as you. But an assault is a physical act; an attack can be metaphorical, but an assault is specifically a physical act.

Well, yes. I follow that part of your observation and agree.

And I'm intentionally abusing language to highlight the outrageous, Orwellian, race-baiting "assault" this man is laying on the party's base. That's my point. We’ve got slugs like Lindsey Graham talkin’ about shutting up “the bigots,” and now this typically leftist-style code speak from Bush. I’m fed up with the left’s race-baiting rhetoric against the American ethos. It is especially galling that the same sort of demagoguery -- most viciously used against black and Hispanic conservatives -- is now being employed by folks who should know better.

Nevertheless, my bad. I carelessly -- angry, fed up with this twit -- read more into your comments.

"Sorry," he said with egg on his face.

dPrasse
06-03-2007, 01:27 PM
It is especially galling that the same sort of demagoguery -- most viciously and unabashedly used against black and Hispanic conservatives -- is now being employed by folks who should know better.

There in lies the problem ... we trusted W to "know better"

We once trusted him , the whole time he was lining up a perfect dagger to the back of Conservatism ...

He was just a spiffed up , re-packaged version of his daddy ... a Rockefeller Elite Repub ...

PaulRevere
06-03-2007, 06:53 PM
Bush is a president without a constituency. It will be interesting to see how his coming poll numbers look.

What a self-destructing loser.

At least he didn't call us "vigilantes" like he did the volunteer patriots who manned the border.

DesertFox
06-03-2007, 07:46 PM
It ain't no thang, Moon. You know you and me only ever disagree when we don't grasp what each other's saying, on almost any subject under the sun.

I'm with everybody else in being so disgusted with Bush I just don't know how to say it or what to do about it. We gave this man the benefit of the doubt every step of the way, until he made it clear that he didn't really give a hoot what we thought. And the way he did it, going Lefty-lingo on us, makes it pretty clear that he never did give a hoot what we thought.

He suckered us.

Dude's gonna have one wild legacy. History will remember him as the courageous president who stood up to the Islamist lunacy. Also as the smart dude who lowered taxes and ignited a gigantic boom of prosperity. After all those kudos, it will note that he left office hated by everybody for selling out everybody who put their faith in him. That's what Clinton used to be famous for, and now Bush has done it too.

Double-crosser.

Bluemoon_Rising
06-06-2007, 08:39 PM
It ain't no thang, Moon. You know you and me only ever disagree when we don't grasp what each other's saying, on almost any subject under the sun.

I'm with everybody else in being so disgusted with Bush I just don't know how to say it or what to do about it. We gave this man the benefit of the doubt every step of the way, until he made it clear that he didn't really give a hoot what we thought. And the way he did it, going Lefty-lingo on us, makes it pretty clear that he never did give a hoot what we thought.

He suckered us.

Dude's gonna have one wild legacy. History will remember him as the courageous president who stood up to the Islamist lunacy. Also as the smart dude who lowered taxes and ignited a gigantic boom of prosperity. After all those kudos, it will note that he left office hated by everybody for selling out everybody who put their faith in him. That's what Clinton used to be famous for, and now Bush has done it too.

Double-crosser.

Yep. That's where he's left us.

DoctorDoom
06-06-2007, 11:40 PM
Understood, Moon. I'm as outraged as you. But an assault is a physical act; an attack can be metaphorical, but an assault is specifically a physical act.For the record ...

Main Entry: 1 as·sault
Pronunciation: &-'solt
Function: noun
Etymology: Middle English assaut, from Anglo-French, from Vulgar Latin *assaltus, from assalire
1 a : a violent physical or verbal attack b : a military attack usually involving direct combat with enemy forces c : a concerted effort (as to reach a goal or defeat an adversary)
2 a : a threat or attempt to inflict offensive physical contact or bodily harm on a person (as by lifting a fist in a threatening manner) that puts the person in immediate danger of or in apprehension of such harm or contact -- compare BATTERY 1b b : RAPE 2

In the legal sense, assault is a threat. Battery is a physical act. Words do mean things, and must be used carefully.

IAC, I see no assault in Bush's statements. He made no threats, direct or implied. At worst, he insulted his base.

Lazarus
06-07-2007, 09:09 AM
There in lies the problem ... we trusted W to "know better"

We once trusted him , the whole time he was lining up a perfect dagger to the back of Conservatism ...

He was just a spiffed up , re-packaged version of his daddy ... a Rockefeller Elite Repub ...The image I'm forming in my mind of this man is someone who has been successful all his life by conning people, but with a hard-headed will of iron to get what HE wants, and to hell with how it effects anyone else... In that sense, he's a supercharged spoiled brat...

We forced him to back down on the Harriet Myers nomination, and I think that really stuck in his craw - I think he's incredibly vindictive and now that he no longer needs us, he's bent and determined to have his way about this unnatural personal obssession with Mexicans regardless of the long term effects it will have on this nation and its culture... He's a globalist just like his dad...

Also on the point I made about his vindictiveness - I have always harbored a private theory that much of his motivation for invading Iraq was a personal vengence trip to get back at Saddam for sending an assassin against daddy... I hope to God that wasnt in the equation - Only God and Bush know... But if it was, if he used our troops and spent American lives for some personal bullshit high school vengence trip, he's the most despicable man to ever sit in the Whitehouse in my lifetime - And considering the competition that's quite an achievement...:flame:

In any event, Im finished with Bush... He is the great betrayer and that is how he will go down in history in my mind...

Republican_Legion
06-07-2007, 05:19 PM
What the hell is wrong with this picture:

Ramos - Hispanic American Border Patrol Agent supports keeping Illegals and Drug Dealers out of this country. Shot one of them jumpers himself.
Works to keep Illegals out of this country.


GWB - American White Republican - Supports giving amnesty and comfort to Illegals and giving them a free pass in everything.
Supports letting this country be hijacked by non-english speaking barbarian hordes.

Pretty F-ed up when a white president is intentially trying to make white people eliminated and a American Hispanic is out defending the border from Illegals that come from Mexico. How ironic.

Ramos actually makes me proud of my hispanic blood.

Bush is far more than assaulting his base, He's commiting political suicide and about to sign a amnesty bill that will be a form of TREASON.